/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3607449
what was wrong with it?

>>3607479
>>3607479
The slider thumb thing is literally just a piece of plastic that only activates the four direction buttons. Its like putting grease on your d-pad so your thump can slide from left to right faster.

>>3607449
>pause button on the console instead of the controller
>full of sharp angles specifically designed to wreck hands
>inaccurate as fuck dpad
At least you can plug a megadrive controller in and let that piece of shit gather dust.

>>3607541
Some of them even had the cord coming out of the side.

Anyone remember the sega saturn controller? How great was that thing.

>cord comes out the fucking bottom

>>3607696
At least it had a little clip under the memory card holder to hold the cord out of the way.

I remember owning a PS2 Mad Catz controller. It was way smaller than the usual controller, and it's cramping my goddamn hands, and I was 8 at the time.

>>3607541
It's better than the SJ-200 controller, I use it when playing SC-3000 games.

>>3607704
I can attest to this. Mad catz were such garbage. And they never last more than a few months

>>3607717
>>3607717
Mad Catz started off as terrible but in recent years have started using better materials and now the quality is pretty good. I've got two brawl pads and the one I use most often has been put through hell for several years now and feels almost the same as the one I only pull out for multiplayer.

>>3607696
>one analog stick
>doesn't even have C buttons like the N64
This definitely contributed to the demise of the Dreamcast.

>>3607696
>>3607703
I can still do Orochinagis and pretzels easier on a DC pad than anything else.

The N64 controller was so bad (and designed for 3 arms..?) that it literally prevented Metroid a very *strong* Nintendo franchise from ever touching the system.

http://www.themarysue.com/metroid-n64-canceled/

>>3607703
Holy shit

I never noticed that thing

>>3607762

>SNES: 6 face buttons, d-pad, 2 shoulder buttons

>N64: 7 face buttons, d-pad, 2 shoulder buttons, trigger

how the fuck did that prevent anything, what a retarded argument

>>3607794
The poor ergonomics of the N64 controller makes good use of all it's buttons less than ideal. It's not so bad that it's unusable, but it's also the worst controller for a major console there has ever been.

>>3607762
>(and designed for 3 arms..?)
Sonyfag detected. There isn't a single game that requires both the d-lad and the joystick - your left hand is always on either the left or center handle. And that article you linked doesn't really speak for the N64 controller, but rather tells me that Sakamoto was unimaginative.

>>3607835
>There isn't a single game that requires both the d-lad and the joystick - your left hand is always on either the left or center handle.

Not him but you just perfectly described one of the reasons it's such a terrible design.

>>3607696
>be 2002
>was saving up to buy a ton of PS2 games during christmas
>black friday right around the corner
>Dreamcast drops down to $84.99 with Zombie Revenge and NFL2k
>drop the dough on it
>accessories and games are so fucking cheap I go the whole mile and buy three more controllers, three more VMUs and four rumble packs
>my friends have never heard of the Dreamcast so they seem hype to see what it is
>we unpack everything from their packaging
>slide in VMUs and rumble packs
>wiggle the stick around then flick the triggers and that's where the regret flows in
>these shits felt so cheap you could swear SCPH-1200's are industrial grade
>waited for somebody to say something but we ended up having a lot of fun with Spawn and Power Stone that weekend

>>3607839
How? Most games are 3D and require the joystick. Some games such as Kirby 64 or Goemon's Great Adventure are 2D and let you use the D-pad. Every potential function is catered to, so how does that make it a "terrible" design?

>>3607847
You just said yourself there aren't any games that make full use of the controller. It's an awful design.

>>3607851
Oh okay, you don't have an actual substantive argument. You just like pressing all the pretty buttons. I bet you were one of those kids who could spend a whole hour "playing" arcage games on attract mode.

>>3607835
>can only press either L or Z, so games will never utilize the full controller

Yeeeahhh... reaaalll great controller you've got there.

>>3607854
A well designed controller is one where you can hold it in a comfortable way and where each of the buttons, pads and triggers on it are in a good position for use. That's the basis of ergonomics and what the N64 controller fails at.

That's not to say it's unusable. Obviously it works and you can play the games that were designed for it. But compared to every other controller for a major system it's among the worst.

>>3607862
Why do you need 3 triggers for a fifth gen game?

>>3608028
Why do you need separate triggers for your dpad and joystick?

I asked for this abomination as a youngster because I thought it would be cool to play turnbased games with and would leave one hand free to munch on snacks and sip soda. Unfortunately it was very difficult to use and I gave up on it completely after a few days, I still have it in a junk bin somewhere. I guess it would be cool for someone with only use of one hand but it was a real pain to navigate anything with this.

>>3608054
I forgot to add that you activated the directional buttons by moving your wrist, sounds cool but is actually very hard to do accurately in reality.

>>3608054
>munch on snacks and sip soda
That's a weird way of saying "wanking your weiner furiously".

>>3608035
Answer the first question. Why do you need 3 triggers for a fifth gen game?

>had this weird feel to the entire thing, as if the plastic was rubbing off on your hands
>stick was very prone to breaking
>once it did you were stuck with a metal rod instead of a stick

>>3608074
It's not a preorder bonus for PS4 shit. I can see how you would get easily confused.

>>3607762

Fuck off sonygger.
You have to be retarded to not know how the n64 controller works.

>>3607845
The build quality on the DC controller never seemed to be particularly questionable to me, it's relatively solid.

but it's still got problems
>d-pad is hard like a rock and hilariously imprecise despite being an actual cross shape
>thumbstick is awkwardly positioned and doesn't really have a proper grip surface
>triggers aren't comfortable at all

oh, and the DC controller is missing two buttons for no reason, so playing Capcom fighters is retarded on it

Really, if I played my DC more, I'd have bought one of those Total Control DualShock->DC controller converters and called it a day.

>>3608225
fuck literally every product put out by Performance
fuck that N64 one in particular
I also have a ridiculously bad DC controller from them -- it's huge as fuck and everything the DC controller does wrong, it does worse somehow.

>>3608262
>fuck literally every product put out by Performance
I have an n64 memory card by them which I've never once had an issue with. That's the only product I can personally endorse though.

>>3608225
I was at a reseller store over the weekend that had a lot of these for a decent price, thought about getting one but I didn't.

Seems to me like it'd be better than the original N64 controller.

>>3608265
I had one of those memory cards. It corrupted constantly

>>3608262
that's what I ended up doing when the Total Control Plus adapter came that had the VMU side loader. I also ended up buying the PS/2 adapters to hook up my keyboard and mouse for some Quake III since I didn't have a computer at the time.

>>3608281
My two performance memory cards still work fine after 20 years of service.

>>3607479
the stick is not like the 3DS...

its just a slider. It triggers nothing.

>>3607529 <----- like he said.

Some of the old NES controllers has stiff, sharp edged, buttons and D-pads. My friend back in middle school had one. Or more correctly, his older brother. I still remember playing it and him laughing at me because his controller gave me blisters on my thumbs in 6th grade.

this is the nes controller for people who break their 3DS from playing smash bros too hard.

>>3607696
that's the only thing that's bad about it

>>3608028
A fifth gen game could have been made to make full use of three triggers if the control pad wasn't so badly designed.

>>3607762
>themarysue

>>3608552
The PS1 dualshock controller had 4 shoulder buttons, but even that didn't have any games which had 3 unique functions between all those buttons.

>>3608568
Ps1 Dual Shock is also a pretty bad controller. Sony has a monopoly on the worst D-pads and their overall controller design is pretty bad as well. Not N64 bad, but still bad.

>>3607449
Unnecessarily square. The Famicom controller was way better.

>>3608505
how is this a terrible controller? fuck out

>>3607529
thanks for clearing that up,
I've always wanted this controller until now because I thought it would be like NeoGeo 8-directional clicky thumbstick

>>3608898
That's what my 10 year old self thought too. It's so bad for games it's not even funny.

>>3608862
You can't even reach buttons with your thumbs when you are holding it.

Does anyone have the thread image of a controller that has foot pedals that come with it and some anon drew a picture of a bent over stick figure picture using the controller?

makes me kek

>>3608915

lel

>>3608225
i am ashamed to admit i have the gold version of that shitheap

>>3608915
good one

>>3608505
>>3608862
Because it has input lag and no microswitches.

>>3607845
>buying a dreamcast
>not getting soul callibur day one

thats where you fucked up. it was one of the best fighters in existence at the time.

>>3609081
but I did buy it because it was on sale that day. nobody wanted to take turns though.

>>3608570
The Playstation style of D-pad prevents you from accidently hitting diagonals but if you do want to go diagonal its a bit cumbersome.

The Nintendo style of D-pad is a joy to hit diagonals with but unless it's built real good orthogonal presses can unwittingly activate diagonals.

What characteristics does the Sega style of D-pad generally have?
The Saturn one is perfect but the 3DO one feels just like a rounded Nintendo D-pad going diagonal when you don't want to.
What are the commonalities between Sega (round) style D-pads?

>>3609328
I prefer the D-pad on these controllers, it's just too bad that they aren't that high quality and break after a while.

>>3609328
>The Playstation style of D-pad prevents you from accidently hitting diagonals

That was never a problem for me on any other pad. Playing fighting games on PS pads for any length of time make my thumbs feel like they're going to bleed.

>>3610369
It was only done this why to get past Nintendo's dpad patent anyway, not for any logical reason.

>>3610435
Why do they keep fucking around with it now when it has expired though, and why couldn't they use a less fucked up design at the start?

>>3609612
check out 8bitdo fc30 m'comrade

>>3610461
It's just too bad they aren't 7-pin or 15-pin compatible. Sure, they work with that 8bitdo receiver, but I'm not into wireless.

>>3610461
>>3610475
Oh, also, I meant that I like how the d-pad is round, it makes it easier to move around in some games.

>>3607685
The fact that this even got the green light for production shows what hacks Sega are.

>>3607826
I think you were meant to either use the left prong/d-pad or middle prong/stick.

>>3610475
I usually hate wireless because it's laggy or hard to pair but jesus the fucking retro receiver and controller was worth the money.

>>3609328
sega round d-pads are way different during the ages.
The original megadrive id shit all around actually almost x360 level of shit.
With the 3-button revision controller they fixed it up a bit, now it has a proper and ingenious mechanism where the pivot is under the board.
finally the six button controller shares the amazing d-pad that wioll be inherited by the saturn, which ha the pivot just under the circle, but said pivot is virtual and actually given by the shape of the d-pad receptacle

>>3607826
dude you're fucking retarded. you can either use the d-pad and the shoulder button over their or the stick and the trigger behind it. same amount of buttons, different options for your preference.

>>3607864
No, you're fucking stupid dude. you're just being autistic about having to press all the buttons. they needed the option for people to use the stick or the d-pad so they put both on.

It's comfortable to hold both ways, and the only other options was two contollers or a more expensive controller.

>>3608919
Literallt ever single
>here's ur control bro xdd

Thread on >>>/v/

>>3610542
In their defense, Famicom controllers did the same thing.

>>3610618
>Preferring good ergonomics over bad ergonomics is autism now

You are legitimately retarded.

>>3607835
Uh any of the Asmik Ace/AKI wretling games? They used both the D-pad and the thumbstick.

>>3611276
The Master System was released even after the NES though, years after the Famicom.

I had a 3rd-party controller, don't remember the brand, that somehow killed my PSOne. After I plugged it in it wouldn't turn on anymore.

>>3607696
>>3607737
This. I feel like the Xbox S controller was more or less what the Dreamcast controller should have been.

>Twin analogue sticks
>Two extra surface buttons
>Select button
>Comfy as shit

Imagine the Xbox carbuncle in the middle is a VMU slot and it's perfect.

>>3607696
>cord comes out the fucking bottom

That's really the only good thing about the DC pad. On my wired X360 pad, the cable gets in the way all the time.
Plus you have that prong on the back to hold the cable to, in case you want it routed on the back.

>>3607754
>I can still do Orochinagis and pretzels easier on a DC pad than anything else.

I can do Terrys 4x (C to feint cancel), then buster wolf combo in Garou with the X360 dpad.

>>3607762

>>3608074
>"wanking your weiner furiously"
>weiner
watch out, we got a badass over here!

>>3608505
the concept is great, but
>2 players sharing 1 huge controller
>can never really get comfortable
plus your movements would screw over your opponent/friend's movements.

>>3610565
8bitdo literally made my dreams come true. Being able to switch between a wiimote, ds4 and their controllers is alot of fun, I literally switch between all of these and my original controllers depending on my mood.

>>3612198
You've never been to an arcade, have you?