/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3598567
Wut

>>3598567
Imagine having experienced all of those things at the time but now finding increasing difficulty locating others who shared those same experiences.

>>3598567
I understand. I'm 25. The earliest console I personally owner was the PS1.

"False nostalgia" is so weird. You end up describing so many games as charming.

>>3598567
>Muh feels, does anyone understand them?
I hear you buddy.

We lose so much of the context as these games go on that it requires a lot of knowledge to truly appreciate them. There are so many games I didn't really care for simply because I didn't know of the limitations which made them innovative in the first place. What's more, as you said, and has always been the case for me, when you get bored with an emulated game there's a slim chance you'll bother to go back to it, as it has no monetary value and you have no drive to get your worth out of it. That's the reason I stopped emulated for quite a while and kept mainly to buying physical media, so I could actually appreciate the games more.

I've found a good solution, when it comes to emulation, is just to write out the games and all the series you want to play, and start working through them, or focus on playing a particular genre of game. You then appreciate the innovations much more, and when you have a foundation of skill in one genre it carries over to other games in a genre, and then you can again appreciate and admire innovations much more. That works particularly well for fighting games, platformers and shmups, I've found.

>>3598596
>I've found a good solution, when it comes to emulation, is just to write out the games and all the series you want to play, and start working through them, or focus on playing a particular genre of game. You then appreciate the innovations much more, and when you have a foundation of skill in one genre it carries over to other games in a genre, and then you can again appreciate and admire innovations much more. That works particularly well for fighting games, platformers and shmups, I've found.
This.

I too try to start with the first in the series and work up, especially if it's one I never played back in the day. It's fun to just how a game evolves and improves over time.

>>3598567
I don't know any of those feels. Sucks to be a millennial, bro. Anyway, no one's stopping you from enjoying retro but yourself.

>>3598645
Including remakes?

>>3598567
Its just games OP

>>3598567

pretty easy solution, just be an old fart like me and you had all those experiences.

>80's masterrace

You need some back issues of EGM, OP.

>tfw you are only into retro games to get pussy

>>3598567
shut up

>>3598813
Sure, but I always play the first one. Probably just me, but I like to see what made the original game good.

I play games for their own sake not to to impress people. My father cheaping out and buying me a megadrive instead of a playstation when I was 5 in 98 probably had a massive influence on my life

>>3598567
If you weren't there to experience the atmosphere, there's nothing wrong with that. 100% of classicists in academia will never be Roman. That doesn't stop it from being interesting. My suggestion is to load up on as many artifacts as you can, manuals and magazines and whatnot, to enrich your gaming experience. And maybe make friends with an old wizard. Personally I like to listen to period appropriate music when I'm playing games. NES just isn't the same without Tangerine Dream.

>>3599014
Patrician detected - Also fukken saved. Is that novel as good as its cover illustration?

>>3599069
Didn't even know it was a book. But now I know what I'm getting for Christmas.

>>3599080
My first guess was it was a poster from Dragon Magazine but I didn't recognize the signature so I reverse image searched it. My first guess is that's not the protagonist. I would like to find a "80s dude gets sucked into a fantasy world" that doesn't lose its 80s aesthetic after the first book like Guardians of the Flame does.

>>3599014
TD definitely made some of the coolest soundtracks ever.

>tfw never have the directors cut of Legend with the TD soundtrack.

What a shame.

>>3599014
It is not the same. People complain about caring for what others say, yet they are here discussing videogames.

Reading interviews is great, but simply i cannot replicate the experience of exploring Dragon Quest's II map and comparing it with its older but smaller brother DQ I. Nowdays every improve on graphics and world size cannot barely be appreciated.

I will be able to enjoy these games, but i'm like missing half of the fun.

I don't get that feeling. I'm 20 and I feel hyped when I play a retro game. It's exciting. I heard so much about it and saw videos on it, now I own a copy and can finally play it. I remember I got my N64 at age 14 or 15 and was super happy. My friends liked talking about my retro games as well. I realize it'll never be the same as playing a game brand new however beggers can't be chosers. I'll never see Psycho, Carrie, 10 Angry Men, The Little Mermaid, Toy Story, etc new either or be the first gen to read Superman but that doesn't make me sad. Tbqh, I don't even play current games new. I don't buy games until the end of a gen because they're expensive.

>>3598656

Unless you're 40, you're a millenial too.

>>3600475
>That perfect square in the mountain clusterfuck
Is that just lazy mapping or is it one of those out-of-the-way areas that are only used for cut scenes, like the Liberty City Bank in GTA3?

>>3600490
If you lost your virginity before 9/11 you're not a fucking millenial

>>3600547
What does that make the 65 year old elder litch virgins posting on /vr?

>>3600549
Imaginary

>>3600496
Probably a CASTLE OF ULTIMATE DOOM AND REGRET, but they couldn't make one big mountain.

>>3599014
I would go with Depeche Mode for playing Atari 2600 games.

>>3599089
Question. Do you like the 70's Tangerine Dream more or the 80's Tangerine Dream?

I say 70's Tangerine Dream is the true patricians choice.

>>3598593
thanks doc

>>3600490
40 is the new twenty, nigga.

- Jay-Z

>>3598567
>- You cannot feel the excitement of expecting the game and finally get it.

Of course you can, this happens to me all the time. It's awesome.


>- You cannot fully appreciate what a game actually can offer because you have experienced thousands of games that were built upon that foundation. Limitations mean nothing to you.

I think my experience makes me like games more. Limitations are great and many modern games explore them in interesting ways.

>- You can access every single game, including modern games, just for free. As soon as you feel bored, you have no incentive to keep playing, which contrast bastly with how would feel a person that actually had to pay for a game at the time.

I have never wanted to spend time on a game I thought was boring, even when I had hardly any.

>- You cannot discuss the game with your peers for the first time.

Sure you can.

>- You cannot even discuss the nostalgia today because you weren't playing the game at the time.

Nostalgia sucks. Don't let it suck you in. Don't live in the past, love the present.

>>3598596
>I stopped emulated for quite a while and kept mainly to buying physical media, so I could actually appreciate the games more.
lolwhat

how about if you just place 1 game per microSD, get a flashcart and put aside your no-intro library and only visit emusites to downloade a single game into a microSD?

the hell is this nigga op talking about?

>>3601486
Note that I'm talking about the past there. The truth is that once you get some decent income you start buying games you never end up playing anyhow, so simply buying physical media doesn't solve the problem of how to consume said media.

As I said in that post, I've been emulating again for quite a few years now, and I do it in the same way I do films, by writing down a bunch of a series and games I want to playthrough and then just working through them. Once you do that, you commit more to the games in question, and as will films ultimately find it more rewarding once you starting to work through them.

You've got an interesting idea though, and that might be a good solution for some.

>>3601627
>I do it in the same way I do films, by writing down a bunch of a series and games I want to playthrough and then just working through them.

Do people really do this? "working through" games and movies just to experience them sounds kind of miserable.

>>3600475
what the fuck is this tiny shit
only american retards would think this downgrade is worth playing over the original

>>3602409
>"working through" games and movies just to experience them sounds kind of miserable.
It's the exact opposite, it's great, and significantly more rewarding than randomly watching this or randomly playing that. I played through all the classicvanias recently and had a blast doing so, getting to see how the games developed mechanically, the changes between each title, the innovations and the regressions, the stylistic difference, and all the points which define each of those titles. Each subsequent title build upon the previous enjoyable experience, and context made them significantly more enjoyable as I was able to appreciate the innovations from game to game.

It's not for everyone, of course, but I live and breathe chronology, and that's just how I enjoy my media. It's the same reason I listen to a band's discography in order of release, I appreciate it much more. Starting at an established basis and working towards the top is just rewarding. It's why watching through a list of best films is enjoyable, too.

>>3602430
You need a chill pill.

>You cannot feel the excitement of expecting the game and finally get it.
that's true for modern games as well, i grew out of being hyped for games, but kids still can get hyped.
>You cannot fully appreciate what a game actually can offer because you have experienced thousands of games that were built upon that foundation. Limitations mean nothing to you.
Good games are almost as timeless as a good book. Besides modern cinema is build on a massive foundation too, yet black and white movies are still considered to be great.
>Limitations mean nothing to you.
i appreciate if a game goes beyond limits of hardware
>You can access every single game, including modern games, just for free.
torrenting is not free though. besides you need a good pc/modern console(which are not hacked btw).
>You cannot discuss the game with your peers for the first time.
i never cared for that, my peers weren't really interested in most games i played. they were also retarded, and i'm too.

>>3598567
Everyone on this board is at least a little retro-faux unless they only replay the same shit over and over again. There's no way you could have played every game back then, and that's alright, we live in an imperfect world, so everyone who branches out to try and play old games they missed on their heyday will feel the same way.

>>3598567
>- You cannot feel the excitement of expecting the game and finally get it.

Just anticipate the retro game until some day you pick to play it.

>- You cannot fully appreciate what a game actually can offer because you have experienced thousands of games that were built upon that foundation. Limitations mean nothing to you.

Do some research on the system and learn what the limitations at the time were. Then you'll appreciate it more.

>You can access every single game, including modern games, just for free. As soon as you feel bored, you have no incentive to keep playing, which contrast bastly with how would feel a person that actually had to pay for a game at the time.

Just don't do it? If you want to stick with the game just stick with it. If you don't want to play it then don't. Not really sure what I can even recommend here, seems like its just your fault.

>- You cannot discuss the game with your peers for the first time.

Was this ever the case? Even with modern games I don't have anyone to discuss them with. Everyone I know is either not into gaming or likes playing different games than me.

>- You cannot even discuss the nostalgia today because you weren't playing the game at the time.
Ok? Is this really a problem? People didn't discuss these games nostalgicly when they were new either.

>>3602586
What the fuck does retro-faux even mean?

>>3600547
What? A 20 year old would be 5 years old in 2001. I certainly hope 5 year-olds aren't having sex.

>>3600692
Trick question: Klaus Schulze is the correct answer.

>>3602961
I don't know, I was just following OP's definition.

>>3602430
That's how old maps worked, and Ultima does a similar thing. You could not fly, so there were virtually no way to know where this place was.

>>3600767
>>3602516
>>3602960

It is ok if you don't feel the same. I recall when i was a kid and the pokemon fever was more alive than ever. I can play the game today and enjoy it, but since i was there when the first and second pokemon were released, i can tell what are you actually missing when a great game is released and people and your friends are excited because of it. And i know i cannot experience this context for other great games.

>>3602961
This is retro faux https://www.feather-skin.com/retro-faux-leather-jacket-with-red-strips.html

>>3603472
>This is retro faux

You just made this more confusing. That's a jacket and it's not "retro faux". It's a retro jacket made of faux-leather, which is a thing. What does the term retro-faux mean to you? I don't get it at all.

>>3603623
autism

>>3603623
>>3603634
/vr thinks retro means old. Don't be surprised they also don't know what faux means.

>>3603640
>>3603634
Whatever. Even if he made it up I'd at least like to know what he means by it.

>>3602962
20 year olds are obviously millenials

>>3598567
>those square pixels
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

USE A SCANLINE FILTER YOU CASUAL

>>3600490
>I'm 20
>1996
Worst generation, no one cares, back to your memes
And you do not ever get to define generations you gen Z baby that is NOT and will NEVER a privilege you have

>>3599014
Hah

>>3603623
FAKE retro, like the worst generations who come on here with their shitty tastes and buy overpriced games to """"""relive""""""" a generation that was never theirs and come on /vr/ with a /v/ tab open to shit it up here with their bitter no gf shitty attitude bullshit from having a shitty era of shitty entertainment. They will never part of the retro game era, so they are PSEUDO RETROACTIVELY trying to be a part of it with emulators or worse, being part of the reason for the price hikes

>>3598567
At least you know your place. This was MY time, OUR time, and we have a board to celebrate it. I can appreciate these games because I grew up with them, I DON'T suffer your case, for a recent example, I played Banjo Tooie for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it and was able to recall all the movements, because I spent hours on Banjo Kazooie as a kid and always wanted to play the sequel, and so I did. No shitty """"internet reviews""""", no shitty """"TOP 10 MUST PLAY"""" lists, no shitty internet bias from some backwater forum, no shitty YouTuber or LiveStream or Twitch none of these shit ass placebos for having a family member play games with you during summer vacation. I played Banjo Tooie to finally close that chapter, and I played without a walkthrough, do you know why? Because I finally was able to get some use out of my Nintendo Power issue about Banjo Tooie. I had the POWER, NINTENDO POWER, and that is pure. This is just one of many examples.

Now, will all this being said, I can hope this encourages all worst generations to fuck off forever, keep their shitty ass attitudes and bullshit out of once peaceful and comfy /vr/, and stick to /v/ and /r9k/ and revel in their own shit amongst their own shitty peers. Thank you!

>>3600767
>nostalgia sucks
- Gen Zers who don't have nostalgia for anything

Fox, meet Grapes

>>3604209
why not encourage newer generations to enjoy retro gaming the old-fashioned way rather then having a holier-then-thou attitude and discourage them altogether?

>>3604221
>why not
Who says I don't? That is THE way to enjoy older games, with older family members showing you all the cheats and ways to play

Now, for the shitty ass memers and terrible folk of neo /v/, I don't give two hecks about. What the hell am I going g to tell them that they haven't already wasted hours hearing from YouTube or some stupid internet article god they are all bullshit, telling then what and how to play?

These aren't some innocent little baby cousins, maybe they are to their REAL cousins, but they will probably tell me to kill myself or some other meme bullshit they will knee jerk react to because of MUH FEELS and deserve to be kicked out of here.

The notion of LURK MOAR will always apply if they truly cared, and because they never lived it, they can ONLY LURK MOAR, so there is very little reason for them to be here. They offer nothing but being shitty and I, WE have no need for that.

>>3603472
>https://www.feather-skin.com/retro-faux-leather-jacket-with-red-strips.html

Not gonna lie. That's a pretty nice jacket.

>>3598567
>I'm sad because there isn't all this meta shit outside the game clouding my judgment
What, no, why would I be sad about that? I love playing older games as an adult because I can actually analyze them and appreciate what they do well as opposed to just playing whatever I go for Christmas or my friends were talking about. It's fucking awesome to have the internet to help you discover old gems and reasons why they are still interesting. It's cool as shit to get knowledge from a lasting fanbase for something like, say, XCOM where fans can explain exactly what features they still love and what's missing from modern attempts.

Not to mention things like emulators, source ports, and fan patches that help you avoid bugs and improve the games' flaws. I like old games if and only if they're still fun to play, sorry that you seem to care more about the social aspect, OP. I enjoy games more now that I ever did before.

>>3598567
I see where you're coming from. For me, I tire real quick of emulation and seek out the best way to pirate games on the original hardware and it has worked out SO well for me. When a game is effortlessly accessible, my brain immediately devalues the whole thing thus disregarding the effort put into the game itself. It's why a ton of good free indie games have gone under my radar but eventually find their way to me so I can appreciate them. Pirating on consoles typically involves investing money into something so it kind of increases the value of each game. But then when a console is so easy to pirate on, it all comes down to how much you value your time.

>>3604343
>I can actually analyze them
Through what lens? Your oh so learned 19 some years of existing of experience? Your 10 some years of playing MODERN games? Or through some idiot's opinion online? Analyzing games "Well, Caesar said, I rather be first in a village than second at Rome, so the metaphor of the mushroom kingdom really juxtaposes the mechanics of the level design"

>avoid bugs and improve the game's flaws
Both you wouldn't even notice or care about until you actually played the thing

oh it hurts to read the garbage worst generation spits out
>it's awesome dedicating time reading about why a game is interesting instead of trying it out for myself!

just painful
When did /vr/ become this sort of place? The social aspect? What did you think we had before the Internet? We telegrammed each other tips and Pokemon? How else did you think you would find three other players for Starfox 64?

>>3604209
>At least you know your place.

>>3605090
Did you even read the OP I was responding to or are you getting triggered by random phrases in my post? Read it again, doofus. And if you're too dense to understand how information from other people can help you find and appreciate games to PLAY YOURSELF, you're not only on the wrong board but a sad man.

we should stop giving out our demographics because it alienates people and causes dumb posts like this >>3605090

>>3604219
I'm "gen x" going by those terrible labels and yes, nostalgia is really not a good thing.

>>3604209
>FAKE retro, like the worst generations who come on here with their shitty tastes and buy overpriced games to """"""relive""""""" a generation that was never theirs and come on /vr/ with a /v/ tab open to shit it up here with their bitter no gf shitty attitude bullshit from having a shitty era of shitty entertainment. They will never part of the retro game era, so they are PSEUDO RETROACTIVELY trying to be a part of it with emulators or worse, being part of the reason for the price hikes

There is no such thing as "fake retro" like you are describing. It sounds like you're upset that people younger than you also have an interest in these games, and I think that's an incredibly selfish and childish attitude to have. I love it when young people think old games are cool.

ITT: Old Assholes

I realize that there are more trolling kids on /vr/ these days trying to push buttons and/or acting all "Just tell me some good games, Gramps" but this thread is clearly about the cool young people that were the ONLY young people on /vr/ for like its first year - ones who wanted to dig deep into the retro game experience. I LOVE to share my experiences with that type of younger person because growing up hand-in-hand with video games really was a special experience that I thoroughly enjoy sharing bits of as best I can here on /vr/.

Obviously the younger people who didn't have these experiences can only enjoy them vicariously. It's not something that their interest in my life can steal from me. I suspect that the people who act as if it is, "older people" who are defensive of the retro experience are ones who didn't actually live their lives balls deep in it like I did except during high school which was the premature 5th gen anyway and who are just pretending to have based on the same vicarious reading as the younger people except they can actually claim they did instead of whatever dumb shit they were actually doing in the 80s and 90s.

>>3605687
>ITT: Old Assholes

Not all of us older posters are assholes. I just like talking about older games I enjoyed in my youth and finding "new" old ones. Personally I just miss the days on /vr/ when I never had to mention age at all. But this sort of thing >>3604209 is getting more and more common and it makes me sad for this place.

>>3605469
I already read your garbage once, it does not merit repeated scanning

Too dense, what is so hard to understand about your dribble?
>GameFAQs and Kotaku articles explain so much!
>information from other people
Calm down there Terminator, I know all about your /v/ recommended wikia, unlike your brethren who seem to be content in making never ending garbage threads about WHAT GAME SHOULD I PLAY /v I mean /vr/?

That is where LURK MOAR comes into play, how about YOU read ME again because I'm repeating myself now for your dull self

And please, spare me this "appreciate" nonsense, either you like or you don't, someone's opinion might sell another play but it's not going to change the game

>>3605449
You misunderstand
YOU came HERE and made a thread ADMITTING that you felt left out, and that you are trying to recreate the experience with mixed results. That is okay, that is CORRECT, and then it when /vr/ will gladly sit with you and tell you all you want to hear, this is a board to CELEBRATE retro, that is how this exchange works.

Then, you get little shits like
>>3604343
who abuse the anonymity and use internet and YouTube and God knows how many more sources for awful opinions to """""""blend in""""""" and talk about citation #2173 they learned, gathered from the information of the data frame beep boop, and try to pass that as a replacement for legitimate experiences and GENUINE opinions that can only be formed through the lens of said experience, like, say, getting something at Christmas morning, or whatever my friends were talking about! You see what he did, that's exactly the shitty ass knee jerk reaction worst generation has, their ego can't take a little booboo but because they are also such bitches, they can't confront it so they react passive aggressively. No kid didn't get a Smash Bros or Mario Kart for Christmas and also didn't invite ANY friend they can get. It all went hand in hand. THAT'S the era you're missing, that I can share with YOU

>>3605973
con't

>>3605449
, NOT with shits like him because THEY don't know their place, they are the types to buy Earthbound but emulate it and have entire rom collections and shit talk about actual collectors and regurgitate every rehashed opinion about every major release ad nauseam, they RUIN this culture with their faux experiences, their tired manufactured opinions, and all in all shitty attitude and existence

>>3605625
Only terrible if you're not a part of those labels, Gen X

Yes there is, if you think people who try very hard to capture the image on an era don't exist, then I can believe you never saw Hip Hop and rock and roll go through their stages

I love it, too, but poseurs make anyone sick except to other poseurs

>>3605687
>>3605724
Then we agree. You can passive if you want, the only way to cull out the shitters is to call them out and hope they don't return so they shit up another place, you don't understand that if they really cared, they will hang around anyways, it is to weed out the wandering dipshits who have no appreciation other than a shallow interest in the novelty of older games for their """"image""""

>>3605483
Doesn't matter, you shitheads will inevitably repeat this nonsense because that's all you do, and I will be there to make my case all over again

>>3606017
>if you think people who try very hard to capture the image on an era don't exist

Of course they exist, but there's nothing "faux" about that. It's just being retro, that's what retro is. There's nothing bad about it.

>You can passive if you want, the only way to cull out the shitters is to call them out and hope they don't return so they shit up another place

All you do when you do this is make the place worse. You trying to push people out because you don't like them, their tastes or age is terrible in every way.

>>3605973
lol, I'm fucking 31 you faggot. I played plenty of old games on Christmas mornings and at friends' houses. I thought you were trolling but I think you read too much icycalm and believe that sperging out makes you intense or something, but you're bad at reading and not very smart in general.

There is so much more to understanding and enjoying old games than some bullshit about "you had to be there, man, it was like... a VIBE." Sure, there's an aspect to actually being in the past that you can't recapture, but the rest far outweighs it. As I said, there are plenty of games I played as a kid that enjoy even more as an adult because I'm mostly interested in the game, not my memories of a time period.

>>3605973
>someone's opinion might sell another play but it's not going to change the game
no but insightful criticism can drastically change your view of a game and reveal aspect you wouldn't have discovered on your own, not to mention entire other games you wouldn't have discovered either

teachers are important for any subject

>>3606378
This guy gets it.

>>3605973
>>3606017
>I already read your garbage once
>And please, spare me this "appreciate" nonsense
>who abuse the anonymity and use internet and YouTube and God knows how many more sources for awful opinions
>You see what he did, that's exactly the shitty ass knee jerk reaction worst generation has
>THEY don't know their place, they are the types to buy Earthbound but emulate it
>weed out the wandering dipshits who have no appreciation other than a shallow interest in the novelty of older games for their """"image""""
>Doesn't matter, you shitheads will inevitably repeat this nonsense

Looks like someone forgot to take their meds.