/vr/ - Retro Games

>Were you furious when you first had to use a mouse to play a game?
Do you have autism, OP?

I didn't. I just continued using the keyboaRd for a while, then adopted a basted hybrid of mouse and arrow keys. I didn't go full wasd until 2014.

>>3602945
hes referring to the early 90s when it was common to play with arrow key controls and no mouse in doom multiplayer
i think youre just a little too young for this board...

>>3602945
Maybe but no.
I'm talking about rather the confusion and frustration of your first impressions.

why can't keyboards just incorporate a left hand dpad thingy instead of wearing out the WASD keys?

Considering the first computer game I ever played was solitaire, I was more put-off by keyboard-only games.

>>3602954
For what purpose? May as well incorporate an analogue stick if you're going to add an input just to move your video game character.

>>3602959
computer games are widespread
this should have been a standard keyboard feature years ago

outside of games it could be used as an auxiliary way to move the cursor on screen

I don't think so. I remember playing Wolfenstein on a keyboard, and then trying to play Quake on one as well. And then I downloaded the demo for Half-Life and it had mouse enabled by default, spurring an entirely new control scheme for me.

I think using the mouse just felt natural, I didn't have any troubles with it.

>>3602959
I'd actually really like an analog stick implemented below the spacebar for RTS games. Seems like it'd be very natural to have the screen scroll with a seperate stick rather than using arrows/wsad/bump scrolling.

>>3602932
I was angry.

I was really angry!

A mouse? That dinky little thing that's used for fucking sillyassed windows for jerkgroups?

The thing that's used for lameshit schoolish "encyclopedia" CDs?

That thing? Seriously?

Oh yeah, I was angry!

Oh yeah, I was furious!

So i hopped out, and decided to stick it to the man, and scooped up a gamepad!

Yeah! Now that's gaming with S T Y L E ! YouknowwhatI'msayin?

Damn straight, that was how angry I was when there was a game I was told to consider controlling with just a mouse!

But then ... these peecee games got more pee-ey! And they got even more complicated.

And then, again, I got angry!

I got really angry!

Furiously angry!

So I hopped out, and stuck it to the man, and got a Joystick!

Yeah, that's the way to stick it to people! Nothing pisses people off more than to out-joy them! People hate it when they have to see your joy! Hahahaha!

So, there I ended up, kicking ass, with a controller that was complicated enough for obnoxiously complicated PCs, but still cool enough to be enjoyable, you know?

Win95 babby here, did DOS users have any reason to even use a mouse before Windows?

To me it seems pointless to own one if your main OS was DOS.

>>3602948
Mouselook was the best thing to ever happen to FPS and FPRPGs. You're either autistic or a dirty console fag.

>>3603001
But you know what they say?

Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, watch it, I'm huge!

So I decided to be proactively angry, I could just smell that they'd throw more demanding games at me!

So I was on the lookout for a more badass, brutal joystick, a joystick so jampacked with features as to give you the power to conquer everything!

Like the gravis phoenix! Holy shit, do you know how goddamn many buttons that thing had! So many buttons!

That'll show the people trying to tell you that a keyboard is not good enough! They try to steal your many buttons, but even with a special controller, you still keep a great slew of buttons! Yeah!

But they didn't sell them for very long, so I had to consider other things.

Like a power ramp!

Holy shit, it was like having an arcade at home! That'll show everyone telling you you had to use a keyboard and mouse like an office drone!

Fuck you, Dilbert! You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!

Oh, but there's the 3d shooters argument, right?

So I hopped out, and stuck it to the man, and bought the spaceorb!

Yeah, that's sticking it to the down to earth, pencil pushing, keyboard and mouse weenies!

But... it was complicated. And someone stole it before I could get it working. But, being an honorarry astronaut, I found him, doused his house with rocketfuel, and, whoosh!!!

But these 3d shooters were still nagging me!

So I hopped out and bought this big ass Timberwolf joystick, or somesuch. Or maybe it was a Maddogs stick, or something.

Yeah! Hell, yeah!

With this thing, I didn't need no damn dinky little rat!

And now, I never need to be furious ever again! Except when people act like fuckheads. Which happen to be every day.

But still, I never get angry at my keyboard anymore! Ha!

>>3603014
DOS Paint programs were fun. Warcraft 1&2, Dune 2, and many other DOS games of that period used the mouse. Are you retarded or trollbaiting?

>>3602986
>below the spacebar
no
by the esc key

>>3602948
>>3603210
I can confirm I was a keyboard only master race for doom in the 90s.

Pretty sure I didn't strafe eithe

I was used to C64 games that used the joystick more than the keyboard.
The first Windows games we got were Solitaire and Minesweeper and some point&click adventures. If anything my reaction was how could I ever have lived without a mouse.

>>3603210
While doom did support it mice were not exactly common and had yet to become a standard piece of PC hardware.

>>3602965
Yet most computers are used for work. You're wearing down the keys just typing every day. No point in adding in an extra set of buttons that would inflate cost and complicate the construction process. If you want a d pad or analog stick you can plug into controller. You can even use controller+mouse if you set it up right.

That is like getting furious that they changed what the controller looked like from the NES to SNES.

This thread is a non-factor to anyone who doesn't fall under the Asperger spectrum.

>>3602948
but DOOM always had mouse support. Are you sure you arent a little too young for this board?
>YEA BUT NO ONE USED WAHHHH
fucking fags

>>3602932
my dad got me a copy of quake to try out. I had put hours into wolfenstein.

I got a huge headache and nausea within 3 minutes and I couldn't exit the first room because I didn't understand how to focus with the mouse.

I bitched that he open wolf3d for me to play instead.

Never picked up a PC fps again until counter strike almost a decade later

>>3602932
Nah, but I was pretty pissed having to use keyboard after years of C64 joystick gaming. It was so uncomfortable!

>>3602932
Huh? What kind of twit doesn't configure the controls to their liking before playing a game?

>>3602932
>What was your reaction when you had to use a mouse rather than just the keyboard to play a game?
>Where you furious at first?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCkbp4wurW0

It was strange and alien, and I died a hell of a lot. The joystick seemed like the obvious way to go for games. But I recognized that it was very important to get down.

I remember reading about WASD and +mlook in PC Gamer magazine soon after Quake was released. I tried it and it was immediately obvious that it was a superior control method so I stuck with it. It didn't take long to learn.

>>3602932
>welp, better hope the mouse driver doesn't crash while playing
Granted, that mostly happened when playing Master of Magic or Dune 2.

Was Half Life the first game that came with WASD as default? I'm assuming it wasn't

>>3602932
Terminator: Future Shock
It was an amazing feeling, right away I wished I could play Doom again the same way. Also glad that Quake had it.

>>3603663
Can't remember what was the first game, but it wasn't WASD by default, but a preconfigured WASD profile you could select under controls.

>>3602932
I was confused and tried playing with arrow keys only at first.

I thought it was weird to have S as "move backwards", so I set mouse right click for that; S for crouching and CTRL for Alt-Fire.

Been using that ever since.

>>3603670
>implying kiddies at /vr/ know what Future Shock is

>>3602932
>Where you furious at first?
holy shit I can remember and yes I was because mouses used to be shit

No, if you've ever had a problem adapting to any control scheme then it had better be something objectively bad, like if someone had put an important function on the N64's L button but otherwise played with the normal middle and right prongs.

Mouse is such an obviously better input method for some functions, aiming in FPS being one of the most obvious. If your first thought was "I dun like dis cuz mouse" when faced with the idea of a fully 3D shooter that you can't get any other way then you probably aren't really interested in video games.

>>3603021
>>3603861

these

OP's just wanking to using literally inferior controls

>>3603027
Was that hostile last sentence really necessary? The kid said he came up on win95, he probably just wasn't thinking too hard about his question.

>>3603894
Yeah this is my first time on this board. Top level autism shit here.

>>3603894
Millenials trigger me.

>>3603494
>C64
>Ever being gud.

>>3603823
Same. I was mostly ambivalent to mouseaim until they started making good laser mice, then I was totally onboard.

>>3603902
It is, /vr/'s autism is triggering, specially in the hardware scene and computer software
More of a weeb console place then anything

>>3604000
this

/vr/ is borderline Luddite with anything not in their little nostalgic bubbles

fucking hell

I do find it interesting how many on /vr/ genuinely can't understand that not all control schemes that we have today were available or in wide use 20+ years ago. Differently shows the age of the board, not that its a bad thing, I'm glad people are checking out old classics.

I'm in my 30s and I do remember using computers for many years without mice at all (stared with my C64) including playing Doom with just the keyboard along with other FPS games of the era (Blake Stone, Ultima UW, Wolf 3d)

I differently had an adjustment period to learn to use a mouse on FPS games once Quake 1 came out, but once you got use to it there really is no going back, it is just such a vastly superior way of control. Its funny looking back at Quake 1 and thinking that I did play it with just a keyboard for the first year. Never gave it too much thought looking up and down with Page Up and Page Down.

nah. My very first video game was Age of Empires so I pretty much only ever used the mouse

>>3602932
I thought it was good use of the device.

>>3602948
>early 90s
You sure about that sport? If so then it's pretty ironic you calling others underage. I was using a mouse for games in the 80's.

Night and day difference for Dune 2.

It sucked a great deal if I had to play on the mouseless PC afterwards.

>rather than just the keyboard

I don't really follow. There were no shortage of strategy or point/click adventures before Doom, so playing games with a mouse was not a new thing in the slightest. Also, flight sims, which at the time were the a major part of PC gaming, practically required a joystick in tandem with a keyboard, so using two peripherals at once was nothing new either.

A bit awkward at first because i still used arrows to move so your hands were like off center to the right and didnt have many convenient keys nearby to use.

Then people started using WASD which i thought was weird as fuck because who uses letters to move instead of arrow keys that just sounded retarded, until i tried it realised how wrong i was

I felt it was pretty natural to aim with my right hand and move with the left one, for some reason. Granted, I'm young enough that when I was born my father already had a PC mostly for games and used mouse for some, so I was taught by him.

>>3602932
probably the sierrra robin hood game on the 386.

and i was elated that they went to point to click actually.

>>3603014
I played games in Dos in mid 90s and always used a dos mouse driver. Never heard of using kb only in that era honestly senpai.

Not related to the OP's subject matter but this thread reminded me
>find my parents old work computer i used to play on as a kid
>boot it up and try to move the mouse around
>mouse is slow as fuck, clean the ball and internal components and set sensitivity to highest due to being spoilt by lazer mice
>even then max speed is roughly equivalent to slowest speed on my current computer

Holy fuck how did you guys even play fast paced mouse look games in the days of ball mice?

>>3605487
We weren't filthy and we cleaned our shit. It's a lost art.

>>3604119
>I was using a mouse for games in the 80's
>Confirmed to be underage
Have you finished your homework Timmy?

>>3605603
>clean the ball and internal components and set sensitivity to highest due to being spoilt by lazer mice

Lean to reading comprehension friendo

>>3602948
>all the dumb normies played with a keyboard only that makes it correct

>>3602954
I think some older European personal computers had DPads on their keyboards.

>>3603234
So you played in the most inferior way possible?

>>3603810
I remember I played it a bunch as a kid, but I was too young to get very far.

I tried to run it in a DosBox many many years ago but it didn't want to work.

>>3603959
But you're a millennial.

>>3606309
>computer mice weren't a thing in the 80's
Except, you know, the computers which shipped with mice or were compatible with mice, since the early 80's.

>>3602932

I was furious at myself for being so stupid. I played all the way through Half-Life with the keyboard until my friend asked me about using the mouse. Then he was dumbstruck by the fact that I'd finished the game without one.

>>3607165
To be fair, it probably takes quite some determination to beat Half-Life without mouselook, so at least that says something positive about your character.

>>3607287
I'm not actually sure I beat it. I do recall being in the Nihilanth fight, but there's a lot of jump-shooting and Controller combat where you need to hit moving aerial targets. I may have quit before getting to the end.

Doom didn't really need it since it was made with keyboard turn rates in mind.

But Quake took my mouse virginity. Used to just map mouselook to a nearby key I always held down before discovering the ingame console. Man, I felt stupid.

>>3606695
Learn to cleaning comprehension kiddo

>>3606732
Project much?

>>3608439
I'm saying by the demographic of 4chan, you're statistically most likely to be a millennial.

Unless you were born before the 80's, you're a millennial.

>>3602959
Yeah you're right. We could probably condense the whole thing to just a few essential buttons. Change the shape to something handheld and it would cover all the inputs for you. Oh wait..

>>3608469
You need your hands to push keys, not to hold it.

>>3602932
>damn you ball mice why u stop moving at crucial moments

>>3608450
But that's not what you said. You said Anon was a millennial. And now, in typical millennial fashion, you're saying words don't mean what they mean but rather what you want them to mean at whatever point in time you choose. Just one of the many traits typical of your generation that makes it so despised.

>>3608473
That's how the developers intended it.

I fought it at first, and I kept getting fucking destroyed at LAN deathmatches by two guys who were using mouse, while I was depending on ambushing people with bfg and SS

I never rose higher than 3rd place in the deathmatch (out of 4) but I did eventually get good at mouse

btw I regularly played against the guy who claimed to invent WSAD, points if you know who that is

The opposite. I was raised on games like The Sims and online browser games, which often did use mouse more than keyboard. I am vaguely sure even edutainment games I played in school like Word Munchers Deluxe used some level of mouse control. Personally, I suck at keyboard controls. I don't really like them.

Why would I be furious? That's a stupid thing to get mad over.

>>3608491
>I can't read between the lines or interpret rhetorical phrasing

>>3602932
Almost kind of, because I used a regular mouse for my regular computer at home, for some games like ski free, chips challenge. I know mouse wasn't used for them, but to navigate windows or dos it's what I was used to
then my first PC game, actual game, was god damn starcraft. I had to use a settled mouse with a ball on top. I'm sure you've seen them, grey oval shape, red ball on top you just spin around. That made me so mad.

>>3608642
A trackball?

>>3608646
That sounds right, it was like an arcade machine setup but it was a mouse enough for my friend to say "No you're just not good enough" at it
then optical mice came out and I ruled his cute butthole

>>3608629
>I'm in maximum damage control mode

>>3603014
I used my mouse solely for WordPerfect and solitaire.

>>3602932
I remember going from wolf/doom straight to windows 95 and halflife and not being able to kill the headcrabs in the demo