/vr/ - Retro Games

I understand not having different sprites for every weapon, but they could at least implement different animations for each one.
And different half-dragon forms, that was a must. What happened? Did they run out of time?

>>3581620
Aside from maybe PoPoLoCrois I think it's the best looking RPG on the system period. But it wins out for not being a boring piece of shit.

>>3581862
Zelda: Breath of the Wild's art style so reminded me of it; BoF IV and a Ghibli vibe.

>>3581863
>never heard of it, look it up
Wow that game is pretty! Shows me for being out of the loop.

>>3581862
>PoPoLoCrois
What's that game about? Is it just some guy?

I'd "pretty nice" her "visual style" if you know what I mean

>>3581870
It's a pretty typical JRPG. You're a young boy on a journey to save your mother from the underworld or something like that.

It's absolutely gorgeous graphically and I used to pour over ads and articles about it in Newtype dreaming we'd get it some day. Then it was finally ported to PSP and translated like 10 years later so I got it. But it's really a kid's game and as charming as the world was, it was super boring and I only got mid way through before dropping it.

>>3581879
I saw it once at a game store years back. I thought it looked interesting so I asked one of the employees about the game. He said that it's gay and I accepted his judgement.

>>3581886
I'm sure someone age appropriate out there got it and fell in love with it, so all's good.

>>3581620
I only played it once. It was okay but I never felt the need to play it again despite it looking nice and being an overall solid game. I guess I just didn't like the cast or something.

>>3581620
I wish this game wasn't jam packed with stupid gimmicks and forced mini games - and a camera that's always set in an isometric angle. Come on, Capcom, Game Arts got that part down back in /97.

>>3581918
I sure as fuck hope you're not referring to Grandia.

>>3581924
I am. That game was way easier to navigate around. You had a handy compass to tell you the rough direction of the exit, a bunch of bird's eye view points in large rooms, and other stuff like that.

>>3581925
It looks like dogshit compared to BoFIV though. I do get what you're saying, but the tight isometric veiw is what allowed Capcom to make it look as impressive as it does.

Grandia holds the spot as being one of the most disappointing RPGs I ever played though, so I have a special hate boner for it.

I liked III more.

>>3581980
So did I, but I liked the visuals more in the fourth game, while the third game was better in every other way.

>>3581925
Grandia is memeshit. Just because it's "easier to navigate around" doesn't mean it's a good game.

>>3581931
>Grandia

I still haven't gotten around to playing it, apart from first city. I can agree the graphics are quite unpolished, but it still feels like such a nice game. My sister liked it and I have about the same taste in games as her so I'll have to keep it in my list of games to play when I get time.

>>3582208
Individual tastes may vary. I really like exploring in RPGs and Grandia was supposedly a game all about the joy of exploring ancient ruins and the like. Also the Lunar games had been my favorite RPGs of the 16 bit era, so my hopes were high.

But the exploring is where it really fell apart for me, every dungeon was both short and super linear. Any branch from the main path was tiny so you never really feel like you're exploring. Also they were mostly really boring design wise as well, until you get to the last couple in the whole game. Then on top of that the characters were all either bland or outright annoying and in game voices were awful.

It does have kind of a neat battle system which is sort of a take on ATB, but in my opinion it wasn't nearly enough to outweigh the bad stuff.

Also it should be noted though, by the time I played it I was starting to get burned out on the RPG genre as a whole so I was getting a lot more picky with them. I know there are people who like the game.

Are yous talking about Grandia in general or just the first game? Because I thought the second game was a lot more engrossing than the first game, while the first one was some kind of half assed and childish; it could have worked out better if they at least mixed in some coming of age themes since the main characters are basically kids going on a journey... but no, nothing that happens in that game develops naturally.

>>3582236
I'm the one hating on it, and just the first game. The second one looked neat, but I wasn't playing really any RPGs at that point and then never got around to trying it.

I fine with the childish aspect of the game, I just thought it was overall badly made.

>>3582218

I'm not that fond of exploring in games with random battles (which this is, right?) so that wouldn't be a problem for me. The dungeons in Suikoden imo were annoying because they had too many pointless side paths.

>should I go there and risk more battles or just ignore it?

Constantly.

Exploring dungeons are perfect in action RPGs. I don't have a problem with exploration in general, like walking the world map and finding hidden areas, but inside dungeon levels I just want fun battles and interesting enemies on a single path if it's a random battle system.

>>3582267
Yeah they're random battles. It sounds like the game may be up your alley. There was a lot that I didn't like about Suikoden, but I did kind of like the dungeons.

I'd suggest getting an iso if you can and give it a try. If you like battles, the system is the best part of it. I don't remember it perfectly, but it's like active time except hitting enemies can mess with their timing and vice versa. It also split XP gain for levels and weapon experience to be a bit SaGa-ish where you level up various weapons or spells through repeated use and they get more powerful, but you have to pick and choose a bit what to focus on.

>>3582020
Yeah, and Breath of Fire is nothing but a generic mini-game fest for furfags developed on a shoestring budget. :)

>>3582297
>shoestring budget
And here it was almost a decent troll...

I loved III, but everyone keeps telling me IV is the definitive iteration of the series.

>>3582338
I like IV quite a bit more, but that doesn't make either of our opinions wrong. Life would be boring if we all thought the exact same thing.

>>3582316
It was a low budget game compared to their other stuff.

>>3582443
Not outside of their arcade games it wasn't.

>>3582338

I played IV with my gf a couple of months ago. It's the only BoF I played. Boring as fuck for the most part, I guess I didn't connect with any of the cast, so I didn't care much for them. Music is also pretty bland, can't remember any tune from memory apart from the usual fight tune and the like (wich are also meh at most). It's a gorgeous game, can't deny that, the work they did with the sprites is amazing: animation, pallette, etc. It holds much better than say FFVII with its ugly cardboard anime people, still I'd play FF over this any day, and I only got to finish VII for the first time like maybe 2 years ago, so nostalgia googles don't apply.

>>3582338
It's V actually :(

>>3583237
lol

>>3583237
I really should go play V some day. Sounds like an interesting idea, but I never liked the setting.

>>3581620
It's up there with SaGa Frontier II, PoPoLoCrois and Legend of Mana, the sprite animations and general use of colours is peerless though, even the 3D environments still look decent to this day.
>>3582705
>Music is also pretty bland
The music is great, the fuck are you on about? It might not be super upbeat RPG music, which is also good for some people who want something different, but it has tons of memorable and well composed tunes that fit right into the game's scenario and atmosphere, it's a fucking masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf9wP-XEKo4

>>3583659
This is calm and serene which he might think of as boring, but it's one of my favorite tracks out of any RPG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzkR1is5kgQ

>>3581879
one of the few PSP games i bought way back in the day. acceptable jrpg

>>3581641
I think the half-dragon form thing was because they were tying it into your other half who was the same but blue.

Really could've used at least different color equipment like Chrono Trigger did with Crono's katana though.

>>3583659
Still remember how my mind was blown when Bastard Sword starts playing. Actual instrumentation? The Fuck?

>>3583619
V is actually my favourite, but it's definitely a game you have to take with a grain of salt. there's a lot of strangeness about it.

>>3583828
No, I'm ok with Fou-Lu's dragon form being just a recolor of Ryu. My problem is with all of Ryu's half-dragon forms looking the same.
They had their own sprites in BoF III.

>>3584461
They could've changed the colors at the very minimum.

>>3584167
5 is just one of those games where it takes a while to get into it, but it's one of the more unique RPGs.

>>3581862
Psh, no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72jAMCHL-2c

I tried BOF3 and while I liked certain aspects by the time skip I stopped since it started feeling a little dull, would you guys say BOF4 is better?

>>3586279
lol wut? That game looks like 2016 indie trash

>>3587518
lol

>>3586279
>>3587518
It's honestly not a good game and the music is awful.

thread needs more ursula

>>3590796
Why was she always so bitchy? BoF games are supposed to have upbeat and fun party members and she always just brought the whole mood down.

>>3591345
>Garr
>Nina 2
>"fun and upbeat"

>>3591345
>Yuna
>Upbeat
>The atrocities against humanity committed in 4
>Upbeat
>A fight to the death with Teeop
>Upbeat
Breath of Fire is a series that is bright on top, but the plot kicks the shit out of you.

>>3591345

She was actually supposed to be stoic comedy relief but they took out all her awkward trying too hard scenes because they involved her taking her pants off or showing her tits when she shoots you for peeking on her and Nina

>>3591821
holy shit

>>3581641
With most of the dungeons being about 2 rooms long I definitely felt either budget or time constraints or likely both affecting this game. still good though.

>>3582208

Is your sister hot?

>>3591345
>BoF games are supposed to have upbeat and fun party members

That's your opinion....

>>3592919
is it really just his opinion when its true of every game in the series except for the grimdark shit going on with dragon quarter?

>>3592928
>except for the grimdark shit going on with dragon quarter?

Right, because DQ isthe only one that gets grimdark....

BoF IV had great 2D sprite animations. Makes me want to go and replay it.

>>3592928
wew

>>3591906
So a dumb tsundere and a fanservice character.

>>3591906
is this real?

>>3592991
>>3593146
>cherry picking sequences to suit your point
but yes those are pretty grimdark moments, but it doesn't establish the characters themselves as grimdark, which is essentially everyone in the doom and gloom atmosphere of dragon quarter

>>3593146
The symbolism of that whole prologue blew my mind as a kid.

>>3593460
Try to keep up. This is a discussion about why Ursula isn't upbeat enough for some guy who thinks BoF should just be lighthearted. >>3591345

>>3591345
She's just focused.

>>3591420
They may not have been the life of the party but at least they weren't bitches about their situation.

Is this weapon obtainable without hacking?
Some walkthroughs don't even mention it, and the ones that do, don't know where it is.

>>3594642
Dummied out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQx1QwADjmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_U8AYYRAOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1yW9qGqnks
such a classy, distinct sound