/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3579472
the sony professional video meme or pvm

mario

>>3579479
explain

>>3579482
the professional video meme made by sony. its like a "crt" but better because sony made it. make sure you get one that is smaller than 14 american inches.

Sony Trinitron

>>3579472
JVC I'art and Sony XBR, fuck fd trinis

>>3579472
That's about as retarded as asking what's the best kind of food. Best for what?

>>3579485
kek

>>3579472

If you're worried about getting the best CRT model, you don't really care about playing video games.

Any CRT is fine.

>>3579482
People that are poor or have shit tv's make it sound like its just "cool" to get something. In reality, the jealousy is strong.

>>3579709
lol I own a 14 inch PVM-14M4U and its a PIZZA FUCKING SHITE. I only paid $25 bucks for it as well. However I do believe it was damaged so thats not really the monitors fault. OP im just fucking with you but their simply is no "best" model. If you do some research about rgb and the different signal types, also low res vs hi res, you will find there are multiple monitors/tvs that are suitable. pvm is the go to easiest to find "pro" crt. but really a consumer set with at least s-video will be good enough unless you want rgb. but you will find out that rgb can be expensive. good luck.

>>3579727
also go to the /crt/ general

>>3579709
Only chumps pay hundreds for old tech that you can get for free if you only had some patience.

>>3579472
Post 2000s Toshiba models
Sony monitors are meh

>>3579472
the biggest one

Whatever you get, it will immediately replace the inferior tech of the past 10 years.

>>3579472
Sony black-tube trinitron or one of those Mitsubishi TVs that back in the 90's costed a good $2000 - $3000 for a 32-inch

Nothing but retards in here. OP, the best CRT is one with component input. Of you have to settle for s video that's OK too . Makes ure it's not an Hd crt, and don't get a flat screen because of warped geometry issues. Stick to that and you'll be fine

>>3579985
>the best CRT is one with component input
What about consumer Trinitrons with RGB SCART inputs? I have two of them, of course both support NTSC.

>>3580125

The difference between component and RGB has always been negligible in my experience. That being said, I've never tried an RGB consumer model TV that wasn't an Hd crt. Would love to see what you have. Do you have any pics of snes or Genesis running on one through RGB? Or any retro console?

>>3580125
>>3580184
Basically the two are interchangeable depending on where in the world you are.

Europe got RGB (in the form of SCART) from the early 80s onward. We didn't really get component hook-ups in any significant quantity until the HD era. Consequently any consumer CRT set over here with component is a big red flag that it's not going to work well for SD gaming.

>>3580201
>Consequently any consumer CRT set over here with component is a big red flag that it's not going to work well for SD gaming.
No, not all consumer sets with component are HD (or ED) sets.

I've had one consumer crt with component. It was a 32 inch Sony. Right now I just have an Hd Sony crt and an s video capable 20 inch citizen. Would love another TV with component or rgb

>>3579586
Jesus that thing must weigh almost 300 pounds...

>>3580203
This.

I still have a Panasonic CT-27D11E that I bought new in 2000 for $300 usd. I dug it out of a closet to hook up some old consoles to it because I knew it had S-Video. To my surprise, it also has Y,Pb,Pr component inputs, and shit looks GOOD, mang!

The picture is actually far better for gaming than my two late model WEGA CRTs, but only after taking time to calibrate it. Do not fall for the SONY and PVM memes. Find a non-flat screen set on craigslist with component from the late 90's, early 2000's. If they are 27" or smaller, you can easily move it yourself. Larger than that will weigh over 100 lbs and may present problems, unless you're a big, strong lad or own a truck and have a friend willing to help with your fool's errand.

>>3580216
98kg = 216lbs

>>3580289
Derp. Missed that; was estimating based on size.

>>3580238
High-end early 90s and 80s sets are good too. 80s ones have great looking cases too.
>Do not fall for the SONY and PVM memes.
Sony made great sets and PVMs are good monitors if you don't overpay for them, but yeah, other manufacturers made great sets too (some manufacturers made monitors that are on par with the best sony ones) and there's no need to get a monitor unless you're really into CRTs, most of the time consumer sets are good enough. (though personally I like high-end/professional video monitors like these kx27 ones)

>>3580203
In Europe almost all are.

There may be a very small number of exceptions but it's a pretty good rule of thumb to rule out wasting hours on exhaustive research to figure out the exact specs.

>>3580360
Yeah but in Europe we don't care about component we have RGB SCART/Peritel on most good sets (all of them produced since 1981 or something in France).

>>3580364
That was my original point.

>dons flame suit in anticipation of the anti-SCART brigade

If you like big the Sony PVM 4300 or Mitsubishi AM4201R, or medium size the Mitsubishi Megaview XC37 or NEC XM37 Plus or XP37 Plus

>>3579985
>Nothing but retards in here
Well you certainly proved that. The better TVs nearly always have RGB and would have it because they're multi systems that were only sold everywhere else in the world except America. Component single system sets are only adequate if you're muhricun and have a few NTSC consoles. That may be all OP needs but that doesn't make it the "best" overall solution, which is what OP asked for.

>>3580753
not
big
enough

>>3580826

My choice was the best over all; free, readily available, and nearly indistinguishable from RGB. Your just jealous because even though euro TVs were better, no one gave a fuck enough to properly utilize them, resulting in shitty PAL conversions.

>>3580753
>medium size
I'd say that would be the large, and 4201 and 4300 are XL.

>>3580826
lel. rgb, otherwise known and the format that died decades ago. Component was still going strong until just a few years back.

I have two PVMs with SCART-RGB breakouts and various consoles with SCART cables but to be perfectly honest a modded Wii and a name brand SD crt with "component" (YPbPr) inputs will get you essentially the same experience for under fifty bucks.

>>3579505
Please tell me why JVC L'art (or is it i'art?) are better than FD Trinitrons.

>>3581443
800TVL tubes

>>3581117
you don't understand video signals well enough to post in this thread

>>3579472
Without a doubt, yes.

Widescreen model is worth it, too.

>>3579940
I like your style
>>3580753
That is my dream list
>>3581101
I'd say a 400lb monitor is XL indeed

>>3581449
Isn't having more than 480 lines pointless for standard definition content (/VR/ consoles)?

>>3581457
Even if one of these still existed you would need a fucking crane to move it. And when you got it to your house the only place you could put it is in the garage.

>>3581457
4sure

>>3581461
While I still find it unlikely that those "800 line" specs are actual TVL measurements, TVL refers to horizontal resolution, not vertical.

The standard NTSC video signal is technically 720x480, so a higher TVL doesn't go to waste even on SD content.

>>3581457
>>3581475
dont forget the Panasonic TH-43K1DP

>>3581457
>make sure the floor is strong enough.
kek

>>3581465
>you would need a fucking crane to move it
More like 2 or 3 people who don't have faggy arms, shit is merely as heavy as a wood stove.

>>3581493
>getting a hernia and being crushed to death by a crt because your dumb friend thinks he can lift 500lbs but drops it on you.

>>3581504
>asking for help from people you know don't have the arms and balance needed to lift something that's more than 100kg
m8 just ask 2 people at the gym/well-built colleagues/anyone you're in friendly term with that are capable of lifting ~100kg stuff for help.

>>3581493
>>3581510
It's less about HOW heavy it is, and how the weight is distributed. Even small CRTs are front heavy, and this just increases exponentially as you get larger and larger tubes.

>>3581117
rgb is not a format it's a color space
VGA carries RGB so do all the digital cables nowadays

>>3581512
Yup, that why you move that kind of beast with the tube facing upward.

>>3581465
I could move it on a hand truck, my house is solid pine with 4x12 floor joists. You could park your car in here. I would do it in a heartbeat.
>>3581475
$27k for the top of the line 45" package, just put it on my card lol.
>>3581480
Source on pic? Got any more?

>>3581504
People move heavier things, if 2 150lb dudes carried a 260lb console tv up into a loft, 4 could do a 440lb box I'm sure.

>>3581515
While you'd think that'd be a good idea, you now have to take into consideration that many CRTs are only able to properly support their weight when in an up-right position. Professional equipment is definitely going to have more support, but it's still not a very bright way to go about moving it.

If anything, face down would be better so it can disperse the weight against the front face of the case rather than depending on a few brackets.

>>3580981
Your choice was shit overall. I properly utilize multi system TVs and so do many others. Just not people like you.

>>3581117
Top kek kid. Some day, when you're old enough, your mommy might let you go to an arcade.

Can we keep the CRT aspergers posts to one thread please

>>3582062

>> Thinks paying out the ass for a 14 inch crt with 10 000+ hours on it is a good idea

I'd take a consumer CRT over a pvm that was fucked around for the last 20+ years. Your a kid who spent all their allowance on a meme on now you feel the need to constantly defend your choice.

>>3581526
Televisions are shipped face down.

Don't know that I'd call it the best, but I've been using a Panasonic CT-20SX11 for years and been VERY happy with it. I bought it off of a friend years ago and have kept it specifically for my retro gaming. Despite only being 20" (and thus movable by one person), it's pretty much perfect for my needs (my NES/SNES are in my bedroom, which is where it's perched). It lacks component (has S-Video)

Pic related - not my actual TV, just a googled pic of the same model, but really, really good.

>>3582126
Perhaps when I say "pic related", I should post said pic...

Hopefully one with zero overscan and great whatever the fuck. I dunno.

>>3582103
>not knowing many consumer TVs outside burgerland had RGB
You're a kid who, well, is just really stupid.

>>3582734

Haha, your butthurt that American didn't give a fuck about PAL, so neither did anyone else. PAL region games are the sloppy seconds of the retro console world. How did you enjoy playing gimped console game s all your life?

>>3580826
>>3580981
>>3582781

>MFW Europe had RGB SCART in the 80s

In 'Murica they still sold TVs with fucking turret tuners and 300 ohm spade connectors into the early 90s. My grandparents bought a Trinitron in 1993, it had a single (mono) composite input and that was considered feature that someone would pay extra for.

Pic related, it's me thinking of how PAL was technically better but PAL territories got fucked because so much media came from NTSC land. The fucking NTSC tint control still gives me flashbacks.

>>3579485
Also make sure you pay at least $100 for it otherwise it most definitely isn't good

>>3582821
The good thing is that many euro TVs, even from the 80s, supported both 50Hz and 60Hz vertical sync when using RGB (for the ones that didn't automatically detect both, you could alway mess with the V-Hold potentiometer) so it doesn't matter if you're using a PAL or NTSC consoles because those 2 color encoding methods don't exist in RGB.

there are many different categories

best SD 4:3 BVM
20F1U/E
best multiformat widescreen BVM
D24E1WU
best multiformat PVM would be the
20L5
best SD PVM
20M2MDU/E
best PC crt would be
FW-900
best consumer widescreen HD crt
34XBR960
best consumer 4:3 HD crt
36XS955
best consumer 4:3 SD crt
xxFV310
best entry level 4:3 SD crt
xxFS100/120

these are generally considered the best in each category, but Panasonic Mitsu JVC Ikegami NEC all made great sets too just not documented enough for retro gaming, please forgive the sony bias. this is also biased toward fd wega era trinis, there were many high-end SD XBRs in the hi-black era

>>3579472
Whatever consumer set you can find with component or RGB input. Personal preference is down to if you like aperture grill or shadow mask.
Avoid PVMeme and BVMeme.

>>3583410
>20F1U/E
E1 if you're going for pure line count, and considering it's running a very similar chassis. And if you feel like differentiating between 16:9 and 4:3 ratios for certain catagories, why not mention the D20F1U as well? Higher TVL than the L5 has with the same resolutions available.
>D24E1WU
Technically the D32 if the tube is decent.
>20M2MDU/E
M4 or L4 would be a step up in line count, with the latter being more recent.
>FW-900
Widescreen maybe. There are multiple PC CRTs that out do it in specs, even by Sony themselves. Notably the GDM-F520: Lower dot-pitch and higher horizontal frequency, or the Mitsu/NEC 2070SB/FP2141SB and their multiple rebadges with a lower(but not as low as the F520) pitch but a higher horizontal frequency still.

Saying that the other makes "aren't documented enough" is a bit silly. Yes, Sony is more popular and plethorable, but there are many models by those other makers that match or even edge-out their Sony equivalents slightly in terms of quality.

Also, there is a level of opinion that comes into the mix if you want to base things on personal taste. For someone who heavily prefers the look of a shadow mask, many of those sets are going to look subjectively worse than sets that are technically superior in terms of specs or hardware.
The look of an aperture grille isn't for everyone, much less extremely high TVL monitors like those BVMs.

>>3581480
Why are the two above blurred? Gah! It hurts my eyes...

>>3582781
>he thinks burgerland is the only cuntry that uses NTSC

>>3582821
>The fucking NTSC tint control still gives me flashbacks

Never
Twice the
Same
Color

>>3579480
lol'd for some reason

>>3583537
Because the crt gods hate you. But really I bet Japan got a ton of awesome crts we will never know about.

>>3585407
Maybe you if you don't look after those, but those who do will know about them.