/vr/ - Retro Games

No. Consumers don't trust Sega and havent since the early 90s. Nintendo is the name people trust, with Mario being the face that they love. The sooner Sega dies, the better.

>>3579145
>Nintendo is the name people trust, with Mario being the face that they love

Not since the N64, now Nintendo is the name people associate with one or two good games per console, crappy gimmicks, and being strictly for little kids, soccer moms, and girl "gamers"

Only three types of Nintendo fans are keeping them in business, Pokemon fags, Zelda fags, and Mario fags....and each of them only gets one game every blue moon

>>3579145
I don't think they have the money for it and I'm wondering if they're into hardware enough via their arcade stuff for it to even be possible again.

also, I don't want another game box to throw thousands into so I'd rather they don't.

Possible? Sure. Smart? No. It's stupid for anyone to ever produce a console again. Watch what happens to Switch if you don't believe me.

>>3579145
If they produce one at the beginning of 9th gen (Switch doesn't count), with a very powerful RISC CPU and top of the notch hardware (instead of low-end garbage like the X1/PS4), one that actually can run all games in 1080p (ALL, not a few like the current ones), or 4K if that was standards by then, whatever.

Then and only then, it could succeed.

But if they made one, it would probably have an APU or Tegra because console manufacturers went full retard.

On the other hand, the Dreamcast kicked ass and yet people were stupid enough to prefer the PS2 instead, so releasing a great console isn't a guarantee either, people are just too stupid.

>>3579163
This. Connecting consoles to the internet has turned them into shitty PCs, having none of the convenience of just putting a disc/cart in and playing. Meanwhile, there is little point for a portable console because everybody caries a tiny PC with them everywhere anyway: smart phones tablets.

>>3579192
>smart phones tablets.
Fuck that shit

The 3DS still sells great because not everyone is casual scum, but Nintendo dominates that market, SEGA has no chance in hell

>>3579145
Yeah it's possible but it would be a terrible idea.
The Saturn & Dreamcast almost killed them.
Maybe after Nintendo's out of the picture but by then consoles might not even really exist anymore.

>>3579145
Maybe if they do a Neo Geo type thing where they make stuff specifically for a niche audience. Otherwise not really, people still think Sega is in the rut they were during the mid 2000s despite them releasing a lot of solid stuff the last few years.

>>3579145
Let me put it this way:

It would be both smarter and more possible for me to eat my way through a solid brick wall, than it is for Sega to put out a new console. Not only do they not have the money for that kind of thing, but even if they did, with the way the console market is now, it honestly wouldn't be worth the time and effort that they'd have to sink into such a project.

If they did, I'd like to see it called Phoenix.

>>3579208
this pretty much

The reason why Sega is at where they are now is because the DreamCast was a massive failure. Almost as bad as the N64 Disc Drive and the Virtual Boy.

>>3579145
Sure it's possible, but why would they? The console market today is on its way to a slow painful death anyway. Business-wise, you'd be better off just publishing software on every machine and leaving it at that.

>>3579192
Thanks for your opinion Jim.

Idiots keep "predicting" that Nintendo is gonna fold anytime and that consoles are going to disappear. It's just not going to happen. Just like how the retro price bubble isn't going to pop, and there certainly won't be another major console released by Sega.

>>3579257
You're welcome, Steven.

>>3579195
>Pokemon X/Y sales: 15 million
>Pokemon Go installs: 500 million

>>3579269
Sony will be the ones who keep console gaming alive. Nintendo will transition into being a software company like Sega although they will probably have some cute Nintendo branded cell phones that HTC or someone makes for them. Microsoft will become a powerful publisher of PC games. Active X and X Box will become essentially the same thing. Sony has always been a company that believes in purpose built consumer electronics and they have good relationships with Japanese software developers who will be resistant to making games for gaijin Bill Gates.

....comparing a free downloadable app across many platforms vs a game on a single platform....OK

>>3579285

Wow, you just hauled all of that out of your ass.....

>>3579289
I just have eyes and can see the writing on the wall. The only real competition for "serious gamers" is between PC and PS4. Nintendo is already a mobile gaming company that is reaching out to casuals. It's mindboggling how blind Nintendrones are to these blatantly obvious facts.

>>3579286
Yeah it almost seems stupid to keep publishing the latter. I'm glad you agree with me.

>>3579289
It's already happening. Xbox already announced all of their titles will be playable on Windows, ostensibly turning the Xbox into a low-end gaming PC. The PS4 is turning more and more into an entertainment box with stuff like the PS Vue service and PS Now game streaming. And Nintendo, the company that swore up and down they would NEVER release a game on a non-Nintendo console has teamed up with Apple no less as well as DeNA for their shit mobage. Welcome to the console market of the future. A dead husk.

>>3579301

You are absolutely right, the console brand which you bought into will be the ultimate last console maker standing....doaent sound like console war shilling at all

There's a pissed off 14 year old Sony shill loose in here.Now who let that in?

>>3579315
I don't even have a PS4. I only bought a PS3 like six months ago. I'm not even saying it's a good thing that Sony will be the last company making consoles. It's not console sales that make money and it's not consoles that give gamers good experiences. Sony is just the only company that I don't see a clear path to the post-console world and I also know enough about Sony's corporate culture to be confident they can and will ride a technology much farther than a software company like Microsoft or a puny little company like Nintendo.

>>3579307
It amazes me that they can't see it and you're also right that Sony would be wise to get cozy with the cable TV and satellite companies. Just because the PSX DVR was a failure doesn't mean it's a bad idea forever and it can definitely be taken as a little preview of their hand.

>>3579145
They could brand an Android box and give some *legal* emulated games with it
>>3579192
>Play demanding game (e.g. 3D graphics, online play)
>Battery drops by 50% in 30 minutes because smartphones can't hold a charge worth shit
>Also no standardized controller so you're stuck with the horrors of virtual joysticks
>>3579280
One costs $40, and the other is free.

>>3579337
>I don't know much about mobile gaming

>>3579340
Yeah, you don't.

>>3579342
Okay

>>3579145
Does Sega even make good games anymore? Honest question because I can't even remember the last time I played a sega game that had come out in the last 5 years

>>3579285
I wish Nintendo would just fuck off and become a software company like Sega already. I hate buying their shitty consoles for the ~5 excellent games

>>3579145
Literally anyone can make a console. You stuff some PC or Android shit in a box and call it a "console" So yes, Sega could make one. The question is could it be successful. And the answer to that is hell no.

>>3579145
Sega almost always based their home consoles off of their arcade hardware. I don't see a home Pachinko machine selling well...

>>3579145
Kinda.

It would be possible for them to produce a new microconsole. Or a computer.

Or a portable system/media device/PDA/light smartphone.

If they could make a 2 in 1 Saturn and Dreamcast(and Titan and Naomi), that also happened to have a much stronger non-legacy mode, that might be appealing.

>>3579389
You know Sega still makes arcade games, right? Good ones, too.

Sega's action oriented game lineup didn't translate over to 3d.

>>3579280

Retarded comparison

>>3579145
Totally. Keep dev costs low by releasing lindbergh or ringedge for home. And advertise to hc and retro gamers. The definitely is a market for that out there. Will they do it? Of course not because they are stupid. They have been stupid ever since the saturn days. Some other company will claim that market sooner or later.

>>3579145
>Do you think it would be possible for Sega to produce a new console?
Yes but not without Sega's pants being engulfed in combustible retardation

I want to say they know better but this is Sega we're talking about.

The Dreamcast 2 is right up there with crush in terms of fetishes that I don't understand.

Really, what would be the point? Sega still makes games and the release of a Dreamcast 2 wouldn't suddenly revive dead franchises. It would just mean that you'd have to buy it in order to play Sega games instead of just being able to play them on a Wii U/Switch/3DS or whatever other console they release games for. I guess it is just nostalgia, or the "Dreamcast is the best thing ever" thought that seems to bounce around on the internet these days? I got a Dreamcast right around launch and enjoyed it, but maybe it just didn't leave such a huge impression on me, or maybe since I was 11 or so at the time it wasn't as striking as it would've been had it been one of my first consoles.

>>3579440
>Keep dev costs low by releasing lindbergh or ringedge for home
Those are run of the mill Intel builds. They'd be better off continuing to dripfeed a steady supply of games to Steam than pursue something that insane

come on man

>>3579224
Not bad, but I've been thinking "Sega Sedna".

>>3579450
manufacturing costs would be high, yeah fuck intel, but i totally believe sega could get away with releasing another home console anyway!

But when you look they have absolutely no clue whats going on in the world. Which is why they outsource wonderboy and sonic now instead of making these games themselves.

>>3579216
What solid stuff? During the Wii era they published a lot of interesting stuff like Madworld etc but for the past five years they've made nothing but yearly Yakuza installments that are almost as bad as EA sports for recycling assets, Sonic games with mixed results and those terrible j-pop idol rhythm games.

>>3579470
thats because they ARE yakuza

>>3579416
Do they need to be translated to 3D? It seems like SEGA completely missed the retro nostalgia bandwagon. While other companies were making Bionic Commando Rearmed, Double Dragon Neon, Contra Rebirth etc. SEGA was saying "Alex Kidd, Streets of Rage, Space Harrier, Fantasy Zone? Nahhh you want Sonic Boom!"

>>3579484

Well they're certainly hopping on it now.

>>3579487
here's hoping for a new Shinobi game that unlike the 3DS one which may be fine in its own right is more invocative of the old games.

>>3579180
Let's be honest anon, at least 90% of why people preferred PS2 and Xbox was because they could play DVD but Dreamcast and Gamecube couldn't

>>3579701
well that's okay because the PS4 Pro can't play 4K Blurays.. even though Sony owns the right to blurays so would conceivably want people to purchase them for added revenue but hey I'm not the qualified professional getting paid 6 figures to make decisions like putting the competitions operating system on our laptops or letting their console be the lead development platform for the 2009 Ghostbusters game which is an IP Sony owns while the PS3 got the inferior port.

there's a parallele universe right now where people play panzer dragoon VR and Dragon force 4 on their Sega Pluto

>>3579315
not him but the current state of sony is basically if they didn't have the playstation they're fucked since it's the only thing keeping them afloat.

>>3579804
Lucky bastards.

>>3579358
Nintendo will never do that. They don't need to. Their games are legendary, and their reputation is almost bulletproof. That alone gives them a huge advantage over their competition. They also produce a unique product: a unified gaming experience.

Nintendo systems are nostalgia machines. They constantly recycle the same sound effects for their menus, the same music styles for their games, the same look for their hardware. You have to play a Nintendo game on a Nintendo system, and that physical feel adds to the gaming experience, and becomes part of it.

Sony has their signature controller, but no constant mascot-heavy games to give their company a single feeling.

Nintendo is the equivalent of an amusement park. They sell the sights and sounds, but also the smells and the feels. Ditch the hardware with its unique controllers and boots jingles and menu sounds, and just go with the software, then Nintendo gets lost in a sea of other developers.

>>3579145
I hope so

>>3579145
Only Sega can save us from the utter faggotry of Nintendo.

>>3579195
the 3DS is a gimmicky piece of shit that tried to combine your standard handheld gameboy type device with shitty social garbage that smart phones bring to the table, and its obnoxious and forces itself on you, I just want to play games man, not get invaded by other peoples miis and have their shit pop up in my handheld and get a bunch of stupid ass alerts and advertisements from nintendo

which is a shame because it has some damn good games on it, but the 3DS itself is a piece of shit

>>3579357
they're somehow tied with Atlas now, if that counts

>>3579145
Only in Japan.

>>3579145
I was 10 at the time and I already pitied who had a Genesis instead of a SNES. Kinda liked some Genesis titles, but overall the SNES had way better games.

>>3580078
Childhood cancer is so sad. Poor little guy never had a chance.

>>3579464
This was in my local shopping centre, now the whole place has shut down =,(

>>3579145
>Dreamcast 2

Would be cool but needs a different name

>>3579158
Don't forget Smash.

I used to be the biggest Nintendo fanboy in the world but recently they're leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

>>3579484
Sonic Mania.

>>3579494
The 3DS game is plenty like the old ones, though. It's distinct, but so was Revenge from the original and even III from Revenge.

>>3580460
I wouldn't mind DC2 being the name but I also think this anons >>3579224 idea is rad

>>3580058
That's a little ridiculous, everything you complained about can be turned off with minimal effort. The 3DS is a masterpiece, and the 2DS is Nintendo's best piece of hardware since the Famicom. The game library alone (don't forget about the DS backwards compatibility) far exceeds any of the other current gen consoles in sheer number of quality titles.

Dreamcast wasn't even that great.

I'd rather have a Sega Mark VI.

>>3579328
Nintendo is hardly puny, friend.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Now-Worth-More-Than-Sony-61509.html

That article is old, but SONY is dying faster than Nintendo is.

>>3580070
SEGA straight-up owns ATLUS. And since ATLUS makes the best games of any developer by a wide-margin, I would say it counts for something.

>>3580572
>And since ATLUS makes the best games of any developer by a wide-margin

is this what weeaboo shut-ins actually believe

>>3579285
>ActiveX
Do you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about?

>>3579285
>>3580582
Also, I hate how the average person thinks Bill Gates=Microsoft. He quit the company 10 years ago, he has nothing to do with Microsoft anymore.

>>3580578
No, it's just what people who enjoy good mechanics in their RPGs believe. There's much more to atlus than persona.

>Muh PS4
>Muh Pokemon GO
>platform war bullshit
Where are the janitors when you need them?

>>3580586
Founded by a cryptokike, replaced by a retarded kike, now run by a pajeet.

Shitty fucking globalist corporation.

>>3580592
>JRPGs
>good mechanics
>muh turn-based menu-driven rock paper scissor gameplay is so deep guys, honest

They don't have the resources. How are they going to woo devs?

I wish they would come out with a hardware clone box that could do SMS-DC games with support for oem controllers and had online access with the game libraries, netplay, leader boards, video capture and built in streaming, chat, community pages, analog output in SD or HD resolutions with scanline/crt filters for the latter.

I never buy repop or plug and lay type devices but Something like this I would grab.

They could make accesories like a wireless adapter, screen and battery for portable gaming, carry bag, system skins, custom controllers etc.

>>3579224
>>3579452
>>3580523
I think Sega Sol sounds the best. It's the latin name for our Sun. Sort of has the phoenix vibe too.

Sega is still alive in Brazil, though.

Did anyone ever find out what the Sega Spectrum was?

>>3580708
I heard about that. Apparently the Master System still sells at ridiculous levels. Huge modding community too.

>>3579158
this

>>3580708
Can anyone elaborate on this? Would they release a new console there?

>>3580731
no

>>3580714
Yeah, just look up "Sonic" on DeviantART.

>>3580731
Because Brazil is still on the SMS/MD. Saturn would be new for them.

>>3579701
Your argument doesn't make any sense, at least not including the Xbox, it barely sold more than the GC and it was from the giant of the western world, the DVD player didn't save the Xbox from being the failure it was.

The DVD was a plus but not the reason the PS2 sold 155 fucking million, it just was the successor of a great system (and also because the N64 was a piece of shit, and the Saturn wasn't good enough for non-hardcore audiences)

Honestly I think the PS2 is a good system, but the Dreamcast was great and deserved to survive way more than the Xbot or even the GC, it wasn't selling worse than Xbot or GC, they just didn't have the money M$ and Nintendo had.

>>3580819
Sounds like a bad idea.

>>3580708
Can anyone elaborate on this modding community and culture? That's the neat part.

>>3580843
The XBOX is the Dreamcast 2, my friend. Look at its controller and library and you will know it to be true. It just doesn't have the same soul or arcade/peripheral attachment.

Fable was originally a Dreamcast title. I would've loved to see that.

>>3580819
I swear there's one faggot on here that's obsessed with the worst of the sonic fandom and keeps bringing it up at inappropriate times.

>>3580872
This might partially explain the small levels. I would imagine that with a decrease in resolution, effects, and texture quality the game would play pretty well on a dreamcast.

Spectrum was arcade hardware. Or a failed attempt at garnering buzz for a new console.

Sega could try and reach out to developers by releasing an SBC, for a start.

Then they could make a portable dreamcast. Not a too new play for them, making this Game Arsenal or Gigajet/Terajet or Sega Supersane.

Thinkabout it, a portable dreamcast that could also run software made for that SBC.

>>3580707
Sega Atomic

Am I the only one who would buy a Dreamcast 2 as soon as it drops regardless of anything because, holy shit, Dreamcast 2?

Behold. What could've been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coIu7UjSszM

I could honestly see Sega filling a niche for gaming for more passionate gamers and developers.
>Make something with the same specs as an older-gen console like the PS2 or 360, build it on the cheap, then package it with an official SDK.
>Make a good Sonic port, along with old classics or new IPs, and the consumers would fill the redt of the shelves with everything from cheap shovelware and pong clones to emulators and rehashed or pirated games (maybe) to truly original masterpieces.
>Create a digital marketplace to sell all those games, a lá Steam.

Boom, profit and an exploitable talent pool for people to hire and get their name made.

>>3581496
Ever heard of the Calico Chameleon? But to be fair, that was shut down after controversy due to sketchy development previews. Never was shown to fail in the market.

>>3579145
>Sega
>new console

>>3580692
Id buy that
>>3581483
Id buy that too

>>3579150
>The sooner Sega dies, the better.
Man the Nintendo babies have gotten more and more edgy

So Sega still has a hardware branch in Brazil? How is that possible?

>>3581672
It's not Sega. It's Tectoy. They're essentially creating zombie Sega Master Systems.

>>3581524
>calico
I'm not sixteen, I swear! XD

>>3581672
A company licenced the name and produces what are essentially official clone systems.

>>3580608
No one cares. JRPGs are really popular, and while your run of the mill Final Fantasy might be rock paper scissors, atlus games are much deeper, much harder, and actually require strategy over mindless grinding. Except persona, those are the exception and fit your description.

>>3581524
this may be the best pasta i've ever seen.

>>3581483
Oh sure, hell yeah. I'm just expecting it anytime soon.

>>3579195
3ds is casual shit m8

>>3579145
it would really have to be something good like a dreamcast 2

and besides sanic that really wouldn't appeal to many audiences anyway

>>3579158
I disagree. I'd say the DS was the last good console, not just for Nintendo, but overall. There's too many good games for it to ignore it. The only thing plaguing it is the sheer amount of shovelware made for it, which a seasoned gamer should have no problem identifying and dismissing.

MEEM

>>3579145
all bases have been touched in terms of genres. SEGA would need to reinvent arcade games or remain as they are.

>>3581873
Still better than a fucking smartphone

>>3579145
I never understood why people think that if Sega made a new console it'd be called Dreamcast 2 when none of their hardware shared names. The Dreamcast was not the Saturn 2, the Saturn was not the Genesis/Megadrive 2, and Genesis/Megadrive was not the Master System 2. Yes I know there was a Master System 2 but that was just Master System hardware miniaturized somewhat and put into a different case, that's like saying the PS3 Slim is the PS4 and the Super Slim is the PS5.

>>3582038
Maybe they want it actually be a dreamcast 2?

Maybe they want it to be backwards compatible?

>>3583397
>maybe they want it backwards compatible?

So they either shoot themselves in the foot by allowing pirated discs to be played, cutting potential revenue, or shoot themselves in the leg by stopping pirated discs from playing, pissing off the fanbase AND cutting revenue.

>>3582038
Because Dreamcast 2 is guaranteed sales.

Neither Atari or Sega will make new consoles. It's an incredibly dumb idea. Sega has spent 10+ years building itself as third-party. Tbqh, I associate Sega with Nintendo more than I do their own consoles. It's lucrative to be third party. They also, let's be honest, aren't using their IPs besides a select few. Alex Kidd, NIGHTs, Billy Hunter, Space Channel, and lots of other series get no love because they don't sell millions like Sonic.

>>3579470
>Yakuza installments that are almost as bad as EA sports for recycling assets,

I don't mind recycling some assets when each entry adds a ton of content and new mechanics.