/vr/ - Retro Games

Threadly reminder to fall for the CRT meme

Threadly reminder never to fall for the SCART meme.

>>3553163
Threadly reminder to report this.

And don't bother arguing, it's a bot.

>>3553138
The last thread is barely at page 3. At least wait for it to hit page 8, you drooling nigger.

>>3553168
The last several times I did that, someone else made the thread instead. I had things to add to the OP, so I went ahead and made it early.

Otherwise, you're completely right.

>>3553138
I prefer to play with component or RF because it's more nostalgic.

Should I still bother with a PVM?

>>3553248
>component
>nostalgic

Found the 6th gen babby

>>3553248
>another person that doesn't know the difference between component and composite
Why are there so many of you?

>>3553248
compOSITE on a PVM won't look nostalgic to you, so not really.

ak anon here, had to reschedule tv pickup to tomorrow on the account of a dead headlight.

model number is pic related
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026150&pathId=77&page=1&archive=true

>>3553248
No, of course not. Don't fall for the PVM meme. Get a consumer CRT.

>>3553296
I would use a 20"+ pro monitor if it was feasible but s-video or better yet transcoded RGB on a higher end consumer set is better than any scaled setup.

>>3553275
>800tvl
>on a 36-incher

YOU LUCKY BASTARD

>>3553296
Ideally a crt fan should purchase a few consumer Trinitrons first. See how you like retro games on a black curved-glass '90s Trini with s-video. After a while if yer still hungry, find an standard-def FD Wega with component YPbPr and a big big screen.

If you still want a PVM after that, go for it, you're definitely a CRT-addict at this point. Your garage will forever fill, and your hunt will never stop. You might even find a crappy PVM at this point and buy it just to quell your thirst. It's probably small, and doesn't even have RGB! But you press on, and someday find your dream monitor, and then learn about a bunch of other dream monitors

is this kinda content allowed? crts in the wild

kawaii mid 80s hitachi at estate sale

Same estate sale, 46 in rp. SD model

rps look like mérde but i still want one

>>3553250
>>3553256
I misspelled composite.

I have component cables but I hardly use them.

>>3553256
The words look alike so I type without thinking and mix the two.

Couple 36-inch SD models at the stock-towne goodwille.

general tv area at same goodstore. the wega on the left is KDF-E42A10

>>3553392
>>3553375
these are projection tvs anon not crts. although some projection tvs do have crt bulbs. oh nevermind.

>>3553360
trinitrons aren't the only good sets.Getting whatever decent set you can find and cycling through is a good plan though.

>>3553347
We'll see what it looks like once I get it set up. It could be trashed

Now I might need a new TV stand. My current one is way too tall for the console tv and a 36" will be even bigger. Hopefully I can find an oak finish to match. Hopefully this will be good, 70" of real estate will be tits

what do

>>3553438

>>3553440
extronmeme.jpg

>>3553375
>>3553392

>flat screen

There's a free Nokia crt near where I live. Are they cheap shit or worth a shot?

>>3553531
Its free, why dont you check for yourself?

>>3553438
Make an occult sacrifice

Assuming you were actually willing to spend 11k on a CRT do you think it would even have a better picture than an old Sony BVM ?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632864-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990RRM_HTM_1990_RRM_19_HDTV_SDTV.html

>>3553330
You are an idiot.

>>3553575
Depends on age and calibration but no

>>3553167
Wtf? Did a janitor actually look at this thread?

>>3553640
Threadly reminder: Never fall for the scart meme.

>>3553727
What about the bnc meme? Or the JP-21pin connector meme? Or the D Terminal meme? Or the old pvm 25pin rgb meme? Or the 14 inch pvm meme? Or the vtr meme? Or the 480i meme?

>>3553760
Yep those too. Just get a consumer CRT.

>>3553826
My consumer TVs have SCART inputs though.

slightly updated video monitors pasta.
read, rate, suggest corrections.
Hopefully it can be added in future OPs
http://pastebin.com/1QkmFj0p

>>3553837
NEC made pc monitors for japanese computers that were multisync. RCA 'Dimensia' also had rgb like the early Sony XBR and Mitsubishi.

>>3553837
You should mention the other PVM/BVM brands to look for JVC, Ikegami, Panasonic. Also that all the sony PVM/BVMs are aperture grilles, while the other brands made shadow mask monitors (usually)

>>3553829
PALfags aren't relevant, response discarded.

>>3553374
I'm throwing away 3 tvs like this that I pulled out of my garage.

>>3553898
Sell them or give them away instead, they could alway interest some people.

>>3553438
>>3553440
Someone must know something. This is my life's work we are talking about

>>3553905
Does your monitor support 24kHz horizontal sync? If I recall correctly that's what the model 2 output.

>>3553909
Shouldn't matter with an emulator. Guess I should have clarified that it does this with everything. Composite and component inputs work fine with consoles and stuff.

>>3553860
>NEC made pc monitors for japanese computers that were multisync.

I mentionned that I'm not doing 8/16bit computer monitors, like MSX or X68k, mainly because I know nearly nothing about them.

>RCA 'Dimensia' also had rgb like the early Sony XBR and Mitsubishi.
TVs, not monitors

>>3553916
incorrect sync level ?

>>3553937
Pretty frustrating because I can already tell it would be fukn awesome if it worked properly

>>3553860
>RCA 'Dimensia' also had rgb like the early Sony XBR and Mitsubishi.
Dimensia sets, despite having "EIA Multiport" SCART connectors, were not wired up for RGB. Their manual even states as such.

>>3553953
oh nevermind then thanks K

>>3553934
>TVs, not monitors
>implying a TV isn't a type of monitor

>>3553973
(ツ)

So I did the csync mod to my snes mini but pin 20 on scart has full composite video. What pin has just the sync?

>>3554236
Pin 20 can be used for either csync or composite video.

>>3554267
Looking for just the sync, its going in a XM37 plus that needs clean sync not composite.

>>3554287
scart pin20 carries composite but is used as sync when in rgb, so it can be wired with luma or pure sync if you don't plan on using composite.

>>3553951
what is it connected to, 15khz pc ? What vid card brand

>>3553640
>>3553727
Lol I fell for the /CRT/ general meme

Is it a bad idea to find a monitor to play Dreamcast via VGA and 7th gen system. I know there will be the sacrifice of no Light gun games and alot of lag but on a budget what are some good monitors that'll play both at a good rate?

>>3553575
>spending more than $11 on an old TV that makes the marios looks slightly better

>>3554302
I did this mod to my SNES mini, the CSYNC out on the S-RGB chip wired to pin 3 on the multi out, then put an amp on top of it as the guide says, but I don't know where it comes out on the SCART. Pin 20 is getting composite video as I checked by hooking it up to composite input and I get video.

I'm going to build my own tv out of a vacuum tube

Wish me luck.

>>3554563
CSync and Composite Video both use the same wire, depending on what the specific cable is wired for. It's not enough to just mod the system, you also need to have a cable that connects pin 20 on the SCART connector to the proper pin on the snes's multi out. Due to cheapness and impatience, when I did the mod on my mini, I removed the final resistor before the multi out for composite and just put in a little jumper to have CSync come out on the pin that is supposed to have cvid.

As such, I have NO composite on the mini anymore, but usable csync.

What is everyone's setup cost, no bs edition

consumer sets $75 for the pair
S-Video cables and switches$100
Tv stand and matching table$20
Kenwood 8" AIO Sub $10

$205 for s-video and 2.1 sound. no ragrets

>>3554509
>a monitor to play Dreamcast via VGA and 7th gen system
Are you asking about PC CRTs? Because those are good with 6th+ gen

>>3554659
Yeah a PC CRT or LCD doesn't matter just as long as it will make Dreamcast and 6th+ games look really good.

>>3554602
Good luck

I've got a PVM-20L1, composite only input. What should I do with it? It's a little small for my main, and I have a 14L2 that sits on my desk.

>>3554853

RGB mod it

>>3554853
Throw it in the trash

>>3554868
And disregard this

>>3553438
Insert coin

Screw calibrating geometry on the 240p suite, if its good enough for Puyo its good enough for me.

still selling an 1341 and in the Cincinnati nky area
email me at spookyelectrik@gmail.com.

on the far left in the picture

>>3554602
F rip anon

PSA for anyone in the Tuscon area:

http://tucson.craigslist.org/vgm/5763268469.html

>>3555238
Verify that it can do NTSC if composite has any chance of being important to you because you need an expansion card to do both and the ones with R on the end of their model name are by default PAL.

>>3555252
Like, he might say it does NTSC just by having seen the button to select it and stuff but mine is an R and if you try to select it it just goes "hurr durr no card"

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5822559538.hthe next best thing to a pvm?

Why you so far away?

>>3555274
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ele/5786541797.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ele/5792071525.html


I want that XBR with the stand and the speakers so bad.

it would be perfect in every way

>>3553882
>PALfags aren't relevant
All these consumer TVs support NTSC though, just like my consoles.

>>3555283
>>3555274
fixed ur link
>http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5822559538.html
>http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ele/5792071525.html

Yes, standard-def curved screen XBR is pro-sumer. top-of-the-line for home a/v enthusiasts from the late 80s thru all the '90s. these were the luxury models of the day, so you're in for big screens, glorious S-video, and built-in stereo. Retro gaming on Hi-Black XBRs have some solid pros over PVMs, and they are way more period correct. very underrated ideal CRTs

>>3554605
You're right. I put a heat gun on the multi out connector and split the glued halves, and pin 9 on the multi out goes to pin 20, instead of the csync pin 3 going to pin 20.

Which should have better picture (for SNES) a 1988 Sony BVM-1910D, or a 1997 Sony PVM-20M2MDU

>>3555805
You'd have to perform laboratory tests to calculate the difference. You're using them to play Super Nintendo, the difference is negligible. Just get whatever.

what is vertical sync and how do i hook up my snes to it? all I have on my self fabricated snes multi out to SCART to BNC is R,G,B and horizontal c-sync.

btw that's the $2400 ebay tv, just arrived an hour ago.

wanted to aware the guy who hoped it wouldn't arrive in one piece.

>>3555987
If you've only got one BNC EXT sync then V and H sync are either going in there or the monitor works out the V sync from the H sync

>>3555994
Looks like the blue and green guns are fucked m8...

>then V and H sync are either going in there
Not sure what you mean by this, you mean both signals on the "csync" cable?

Do any of the open terminals get 75 ohm terminators? I see a switch on some of the BNC terminals that can either be put in "75ohm" or "HIGH", does the "75 ohm" mean a 75 ohm terminator is in the out (because I don't have it going anywhere), and "HIGH" means there's no terminator?

>>3556039
That's just the opening to Super Mario Allstars + world. I played it for a few minutes, all the colors are good.

>>3555994
$2400 for something most people would consider worthless
Wew lad
Im happy for you

>>3555994
>falling for the meme this hard

>>3555987
Vsync is needed with pc vga out. It isn't needed for consoles (except those that output in vga obviously).

>does the "75 ohm" mean a 75 ohm terminator is in the out (because I don't have it going anywhere), and "HIGH" means there's no terminator?
Yes that exactly that.

There's only two PVM worth a damn on Craigslist in the Orange County area and they're Overpriced, fuck
Also I don't wanna gamble on getting one shipped to me

I feel like the most special snowflake.

What's your take on this old CTR monitor? It was left for dead inside the storage room, I didn't really thought it would turn on.

It's a Sylvania F96 from the year 2002, not that old to be honest.

>>3556067
$2400 isn't much, even for something made in 1999. You'd fart if you saw my 4 wheeler, I have about twice that in my 1986 trx250r.

>>3556119
the meme is right, its quite incredible. Its picture quality is like my BVM but twice as big

Where do I hook up my coax rf for my top loader.

>>3556391
You don't.

>>3555987
that platter got crushed like an ikea

>>3556401
What the fug am I to do then.

>>3556420
composite mod it sempai, that or get a frontloader which has composite natively.

>>3556424
The two or so well known modders online stopped doing composite mods for top loaders, didn't they? Or do you recommend anyone?

>>3556410
This gave me a good chuckle, thanks anon.
Luckily, I myself found a tower at some resale shop to put my CRT on that was actually built for CRT's.

>>3556410
The fun thing is that I still don't have a single ikea furniture that have been crushed because of my multiple PC CRTs.

>>3556420
Composite is the way to go. These PVM monitors were meant to watch the TV broadcasted video signal BEFORE modulating it and broadcasting it, so no RF input.

>>3556426
https://store.retrofixes.com/products/nintendo-top-loader-nes-101-composite-av-rca-led-upgrade-mod-kit-1?variant=1086942557

you can buy the kit here, anyone who can use a soldering iron can install it. This site does do A/V mods though, if you feel like dropping the cash.

>>3556420
alternatively if you want to go full pleb, hook that shit up to a VCR, which will tune RF and push it over composite.

>>3554560
ITS. NOT. ABOUT. THE. MARIOS.

Louisville here. How much you asking?

>>3555987
so, which model is it exactly ?

I'm planning on going to some flea markets soon to look for old games and possible some CRT monitors. Would a 640x480 game or 800x600 game look fine on a 1280x960 CRT monitor or should I try to find something older for these DOS games with fixed resolutions?

>>3556632
CRT monitors dont have a fixed resolution

there will be no scaling because they can actually display those resolutions

>>3556420
Do better research before buying.

>>3556705
Thanks. It's been over 10 years since I've had a CRT and I can't remember a damn thing about them other than low resolution games looking nicer on them. There shouldn't be any aspect ratio issues if I get a 1280x1024 resolution CRT, right? That's 5:4 aspect ratio for LCDs but there won't be any issues with a CRT monitor right? Sorry if these questions are in the pastebins I looked through a few of them and they were mostly on CRT televisions.

>>3556508
NEC XM37 Plus (XM3760)

>>3556718
the tube is shaped to 4:3

but it can display a 5:4 resolution stretched to 4:3

>>3556738
Thanks. Feels shameful to ask these elementary questions but better safe than sorry.

>>3553575
>https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632864-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990RRM_HTM_1990_RRM_19_HDTV_SDTV.html

For anything really retro (pre-Dreamcast) you want standard definition. 11k for a fucking 720p/1080i CRT monitor is just retarded. If you want a good CRT for 480p-720p gaming just buy a used consumer HD CRT.

Is the Panasonic TX-29AS10C a good model for retro games? Is has what is called Quintrix technology. What does this mean? Is it like Sony's Trinitron technology? It also has a flat screen, not a curved one, is this better or worse?

I basically have no clue, help please.

>>3556705

There might not be scaling as on a fixed pixel display, but I've heard from many that SD content doesn't look as good on HD CRTs as they do on SDTVs or PVMs. It's not just simply a matter of CRT vs LCD/LED, but also the resolution the display primarily is meant for.

>>3556784
He was talking about CRT PC monitors, not TVs

CRT PC monitors have a flexible resolution above 480p at 60Hz

my motherfucking dick.

>>3556796
those monitors are gold.

>>3556792
holy shit that is fucking sexy

>>3553138
Tmnt movie

Found a free Trinitron today, even came with a stand.

It's a kd-27fs170, works like a dream! The s-video was broken on my previous CRT, so I'm happy to have this. How'd I do /crt/? I feel like I made out like a bandit, this thing fucking rules. Excuse my pled-tier picture, I'm not a veteran of this hobby by any means. It looks pretty sweet in person though.

However, there's an issue where the image looks slightly twisted. You can kind of see it in this photo, where the ground on the left side of the screen looks higher up than the right. Any way to twist the image back to correct the issue?

>>3556803
That yours? One of the few consumer sets with 21 pin RGB inputs...

>>3556924
That'll do. Unfortunate that it's flatscreen and has comb filters (lag), but you could do worse.

>>3556929
In Europe any normal consumer TV from the mid 90's and onwards takes RGB via SCART input.

>>3556939
21pin =/= SCART, 50Hz brain.

>>3556936
Aren't comb filters bypassed when using composite/s-video?

>>3556952
No, they're used specifically for that and coaxial.

>>3556958
Bummer, but the lag you're talking about must be in the nanosecond range, because I really can't feel any input lag.

>>3556943
>"one of the few consumer sets" with 21 pin=/=SCART
>all consumer sets in Europe have SCART inputs of which at least one accepts RGB.
The world is bigger than 'murica, fag

>>3556924
There should be a tilt option in the menu if you have the remote.

Looks great to me anon, no convergence issues is fantastic

I can't wait for the election!

>>3556993
theyre all 50hz trash

>>3556978
Trust me, you want a comb filter

>>3557096
Wait, I'm confused. Previous guy said it was a bad thing that my crt had a comb filter. Now you're saying it's good? After looking at what comb filters do a little bit it seems like their function would improve picture quality, but could result in input lag?

>>3557115
Composite looks unbearable without a comb filter, you wont notice the lag.

At least I can't

>>3557096
"Comb filter" isn't necessarily a problem. "3D comb filter" is a problem, because it sacrifices latency for better image quality.

>>3556290
I've seen some posted on here before. Just hold on anon. Your prosumer Trinitron is still good remember

>>3557156
Yeah, I'm in no rush, I'm just sad. I'm not paying 300 for a 19 inch or 250 for a 14 inch

>>3556993
It goes without saying pal is worthless, you're not relevant to this discussion. Off with you.

H-hey guys my PVM-20M2MDU arrive today...

W-Who needs a power button to turn it on anyway haha....The vendor wrapped it very poorly and UPS probably tossed it everywhere, hopefully I can get a refund

>>3557240
>>3557241

Mother of fucking god

>>3557241
Hopefully not! This is the fate of everyone who falls for the PVM meme.

so this is the power of ... THE PVM

>>3557249
>pvm_snuff_film.jpg

>>3557249
>>3557240
>>3557241
I wouldn't just go tossing that around so much until you actually get inside of it. It's a bit hard to tell from the low resolution of the photos, but the tube itself could possibly still be in decent condition.

The chassis itself is probably trash, but the tube could still be good to toss into a good chassis that has a worn tube in it.

>>3557240
>>3557241
>>3557249

This makes me want to cry. This is worse than ISIS destroying priceless artifacts.

>>3557276
This isn't my picture but it arrived like this, I tried manually activating the PVM from the J-Board power switch but nothing happened

>>3556305
Looking at the specs it doesn't seem too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if it had a ViewSonic or Hitachi tube.

Can you get a close up shot of the shadow mask?

What PVM models are the best for general retro use/tuning to suit the widest range of consoles?

Is there any one that offers more over others?

>>3556936
>>3556978
>>3557115
>>3557119
>>3557145

A 2D comb filter has less than one field of latency. A 3D comb filter has up to three fields of latency.

How a 2D comb filter works:
http://www.cockam.com/vidcomb.htm#CombMix

How a 3D comb filter works:
http://www.cockam.com/vidcomb.htm#CombAdapt3

And this, ladies and gentleman, is why you want a comb filter.

Fuck you all for shipping PVMs through eBay
Just die, you're killing them nearly everytime.

>>3557507
The reason that looks terrible is because of your convergence

>>3557524
Actually, it's not my picture. Also, no amount of misconvergance will make Mega Man's face look like that.

Pic related is with a comb filter. In addition to Mega Man's head, also note the green areas in the floor.

>>3556796
>>3556803
I own one of those KX-27ps1.

>>3557239
>>3557092
You're both dumb.
PAL vs NTSC consoles for euro TVs stopped mattering for high end models since the mid 80s and for almost every model since the 90s. These models can display the RGB signal from a japanese console without any issue as they supported 60Hz sync.
But you being worthless shitposters I assume you don't care and just want to shitpost no matter what.

>>3557575
This so much.
Some TVs might have issues with composite, but RGB SCART properly displays 60 Hz content on most relevant TVs.

>>3557397
None. Don't fall for the PVM meme.

>>3556929
Yep I have two of them and they work like a charm.

>>3557240
Are you the guy who was advocating spending 11k on tubes?

Would be poetic justice if so.

>>3557986
used by a palfag, what a waste

updated monitors pasta again.
http://pastebin.com/GEnCqHQq

Again, read/rate/suggest, to hopefuly put it in future OPs.
And reminder that it's not about consumer tv, nor pc monitors, nor old comp monitors.

>>3557986
what are these speakers are they active and do they have decent magnetic shielding so they don't interfere with your CRTs?

>>3558475
Not him but those look like the kind of passive external speakers you could buy from sony to put on the sides of your kx-21/27/Profeel monitor. These monitors also have an integrated audio amplifier (15W RMS with 8 Ohm speakers).

>>3558501
k thx .. can anyone recommend some _decent_ active speakers that have been proven shielded good enough for CRTs?

>>3558505
You can get some decent speakers from a surround system at a thrift store. If it's not too new the fronts will be shielded.

What TV is this?
It's a Trinitron around 20 inches.
Do you think it has component?

I'm in North America.

>>3558561
>component
doubtful, but most likely svideo

>>3558505
Look into something from Bose.

>>3558397
Putting it in the OP would be fine, but would it be possible to get a single version that you update rather than having a new paste for each one? Would make it easier to just carry over the OP from thread to thread rather than having to scan the thread to see if there'd been an update.

Also, in a glance over.

PVMs DO have upgrade-able inputs, or at the very least expandable inputs. Stuff like the M-Series only really offers SDI Options, but the L-Series has stuff like the BKM-129X.

For Mitsubishi stuff, I can only speak on my own, but you're not going to see DB25 so much as a DA-15. DB-25 is the connector the 2030 has.

"so don't turn down an s-video only monitor" needs a caveat added stating not to pay a to pay a ton on said s-video only monitor.

"-What to search for" is a bit redundant with the CRT Hunting Guide already in the OP.

Needs some input for Ikegami monitors, since that little section is pitifully small at the moment.

>>3558573
is it better than a 14 inches flat screen shadowmask Toshiba with Component?

>>3558589
Yes

>>3558615
>>3558589
Not necessarily, unless you want a bigger screen.

I need some help:

The screen of my CRT is jittering. Just slightly, but enough to irritate my eyes really badly. It's hard to explain, the picture is perfectly normal, but everything is just very slightly and rapidly shaking up and down.

What could cause this and how do I fix this?

got the second 36" tv upstairs, now there is 409lb and 71" of crt in the loft, awww yeah.

I want to split the output from a switch to both sets, is a y adapter fine or should I get a signal amp of some kind.

>>3558660
Have you tried adjusting the V-Hold?

>>3558672
Y-Splitter could lead to attenuation and signal reflections. A distribution amp of some sort would be better.

>>3558673
I already fixed it, it was just some stupid nonsense option in my tv. Now it's just red text that's flickering, nothing else. Maybe I just have to adjust the contrast or color, I dunno. But thanks for the reply.

>>3558672
>dat yellow SNES
Has it gone brittle yet.

>>3558689
A bit, the corners are chipped.
>>3558679 You have any cheap recommendations? trying to get this hooked back up for another rhythm game night.

>tfw can't into cable management

>>3558706
>any cheap recommendations?
Extron will hook you up but the specific needed will depend on the type and number of connections you wish to use.

>>3558672
>should I get a signal amp of some kind.
DIY splitter with a THS7314

Now I've found I can shitpost on 4chan at the same time as playing Metal Slug 3 on a triple-head PiP setup.

This is getting out of hand.

>>3556632
As a status update I managed to find a local seller asking for "best offer" on link related. https://www.cnet.com/products/gateway-vx1120-crt-monitor-22/specs/
The damn thing's so big it won't fit on my desk and weighs 73 pounds. Not sure if it's worth getting as just a retro gaming monitor.

>>3558579
>you're not going to see DB25 so much as a DA-15.
FUCKING DUH. How and why did I convince my brain that all these DA-15 plugs and shells right in front of me were DB-25...
>Needs some input for Ikegami monitors, since that little section is pitifully small at the moment
All Ikegami owners please stand up, please stand up...

>>3559065
That is an amazing monitor man

Def cop

>>3559065
>https://www.cnet.com/products/gateway-vx1120-crt-monitor-22/specs/

Personally I would only recommend a CRT monitor if you are interested in old PC games. My monitor actually syncs even higher than that one, but the higher resolutions are useless since it just starts getting blurry (prob. from age?).

As a result it's actually not too great for recent PC games or 7th gen. Lots of 7th gen stuff cut support for native 4:3 completely anyways and just letterbox everything. 6th gen looks fantastic at 640 x 480 (sharper scanlines than my pvms), but it's kind of a pain to get 480p for all 6th gen games. Even then you have to buy a $50-100 transcoder + cables, and you gotta have hacked systems to get most games to actually output 31 khz. Plus you gotta deal with random 15khz menus in the middle of things which will kill your sync.

Overall I don't regret the $40 I paid for it but I wouldn't have got it if I was low on space. A multiformat PVM/BVM is a much better option for general 3rd-6th gen stuff if you're not too short on the time-money product

How feasible would adding RGB be on a PVM 14L1? Would it only take a couple of BNCs, or would I need to replace entire ICs, etc.

>>3559065
Shit I've got one of those and gave away my QHD LCD because I liked it so much more.

I really am not sure that I'd recommend it exclusively for old video games though.

>>3559090
Decided not to because the provider's pictures were fake and taken online and also because I want a smaller CRT for old games that run at low resolutions and that won't be a hassle to move around. I managed to find a closer seller offering multiple CRT monitors from 14 inches to 20 and I'll be checking them out later next week. Thanks anyways guys I hope everything turns out right and I can grab a solid monitor for muh retro gaming.

>>3559178
That can do 640x480

Im so tired of these misinformed LCD babbies who think CRTs have a fixed resolution

>>3559180
Yes but I'd be buying a 72 pound monster to play games at 640x480 and 300x200

>>3558820
svideo or y/c 1 in 2 out is all I need I can run a switch to the input. but if they had an aio setup it could be useful too.

my current setup is
NES & GEN: CVBS
SNES, DC, 64, 3DO : Y/C
PS2/Wi/i/PSP" YPbPr

I plan on adding a sms and saturn at some point. Component out isnt needed. only the jvc has inputs.

>>3559106
Looks to me like it isn't capable of anything other than a multiplex signal, you'd probably have to bust in and rewire the board idk

>>3559209
>3DO

>>3559229
I bought it new when I was 11 and still have the receipt, I should try to return it.

>>3559237
Nah man that version of SFII Turbo is dope

>>3559243
Is $225 (shipping not included) for an Ikegami Tm14-17r too much?

I know the guide says not to pay that much, but it also says that ikegamis are pretty rare.

Sorry for the newb question.

>>3559187
>Not buying a 220lb monitor to play games at 160x144

Can some one help me identify this?
An acquaintance send me a pic of it I could get it for free, but it looks like it might be a tad bit too old for actual retro gaming.

>>3559335
>Tad too old
You haven't lived until you've done gaming on a black and white crt with only RF.

That was a damn fun trip to my friends cabin. We played through Super Mario RPG and beat Contra 3 that summer.

>>3559326
didn't meant to quote, sorry.

>>3559340
I remember playing the 2600 on a portable b&w 5" on vacation. Had to hold the RF cable else I got too much interference...

>>3559187
it's a way to get scanlines

>>3559335
No it likely at least has composite

>>3556305
Not to be a bother, but I am really curious as to whether this monitor uses a traditional shadow mask or a slot mask. If you could get an extreme closeup of the subpixels it would be greatly appreciated.

updated monitors pasta, and it'll be a fix URL from now on (ツ)

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With enough donations it might go in future OPs (ツ)

>>3559105
>but the higher resolutions are useless since it just starts getting blurry (prob. from age?).
No, it's because of the dot-pitch. Some monitor manufacturers like samsung and other korean/taiwanese companies didn't issue their monitor a mask with a suitable dot-pitch for the resolution they were supposed to display (it's the case of my samsung monitor and another one I own). I have another PC monitor (a Gateway trinitron rebrand) that despite being older and having to endure a much heavier use is still sharper than those 2 at the same resolution (1600*1200).

>>3559335
Ask him for pics of the back and you'll have your answers.
And no, it isn't a tad too old for actual retro gaming, why would it be when the first consoles only had RF output? Look like your typical 80s set, so it might have a composite input and is good enough for the NES, PC Engine and SNES.

>>3558679
what about the audio?

>>3559335
It's a TV. It'll be fine.

>>3559907
A pretty damn good looking TV on top of that, 80s trinitron cases TVs looks way better than 90s and 00s black or silver trinitron cases.

>>3559826
The switch I use is the equivalent Y splitting so I don't see an issue with that.

Hey, does anyone know what's going on with my TV? The left portion of the picture seems to be getting stretched like some fucked up DoF, but a bit of the right side is getting condensed, and the whole thing looks a bit bowed up in the middle. Nothing in the TV's menu helps, and Google is just finding unrelated problems.

Any help's greatly appreciated

>>3560641
Check the linearity. That kind of stuff need a test pattern to solve it though.

>>3560641
common flatscreen problem, and pretty much unfixable

>>3560653
Currently reading into this, though >>3560676 is what I'm afraid of

Both of you have my thanks

Anybody know what PVM model this is? I think it's a PVM-14m4U but I can't quite tell.

>>3560716
1454q?

>>3560751
It's 100 percent a 14inch, but this pic is just way too low quality to tell

I emailed the guy and I await a response because this is bugging me

This is some OC for you /CRT/

>>3560896
Top notch.

>>3553248
what game

>>3560676
>>3560697
That's the infamous vertical bow, you can't fix it via service menu, adjustments might be able to lessen the effect.

>>3560716
I can't even tell the difference between the 14M4U and 1454Q

>>3560641
If you are going to go with a flat tube, stick with the higher end models. The stretching can be corrected by adjusting linearity. The bowing is fixed by adjusting pincushion. You will likely need to correct this from the service menu and you may need the service manual in order to know what to adjust.

I have a NES toploader with the AV mod (composite?) that displays black and white on one of my CRT's. The colour is normal on my other CRT and the same cable. They are both European TV's.

I thought it was that the first tv didn't support NTSC (I was playing a PAL copy of Mario 3 though) but my 60hz modified SNES and chipped PSone all play NTSC games in full colour on the same TV.

Do you think it's something to do with the AV output? Since every other console I use is RGB.

>>3561226
only vertical bow or pincushion and corner adjustments, I was told it's sagging yokes that cause the horizontal bow and can only be fixed with magnets or physical adjustment.

tl:dr
the sides are pinched: Service menu
the bottom is pinched: get a new tv unless it's a top end set.

>>3553438
game over YEAH

>>3553438
>>3553951
Looks like you're driving a 15kHz only monitor at 31kHz.

>>3561329
>get a new tv unless it's a top end set.
It can always be used for learning how to calibrate and repair.

>>3555474

Love this stand. Sony brand? Reminds me of B&O.

>>3560896
That's the same for almost all retro goymen stuff though.

>>3561585
tfw clean consumer trinitrons will be the price of a pro monitor today for future generations. or they will have lagless crt emulation on whatever display tech they are using.

>>3561592
Naah not happening either if you're buying at the right place. There are alway people who give their CRT TVs for free too. 2 month ago I missed a free 1979 sony set someone was giving out (with remote and all).

>>3561610
because they are worthless and plentiful now. I'm 33 and remember when almost everything /vr/ was big loose piles in a clearance bin. I bought a brand new Sega 2 S&K pack, Menacer T2 pack, AV cable, 2 SG propads, Sonic 3 and Street Fighter for under $100 at Kaybee toys in 1997, NES stuff was pocket change.

>>3560716
It's the meme one.

>>3561280
A switched pal snes will display in pal-60 (525/~60hz with 4.43 mhz color carrier), and the psone might be the same.
So yeah, one of your tv isn't NTSC compatible

>1996
>not having a landline in your CRT

>>3561803
>Nokia
>landline

How ironic

>>3553440
Do you recommend the 14-20R?
How is the geometry compared to a 14-L1 PVM? I've heard from some that the curved tube makes a large difference.

Is there anyway to get Svideo out of a radeon 4850 running crt_emudriver? I know I can get both composite and RGB from it, but I haven't seen any breakout cables for Svideo.

>>3561921

I just realized the card has a native Svideo port, I thought that was some proprietary pinout for the breakout cables.

>>3561927
you're gonna get scaled output on the minidin.

>>3561937

Isn't that exactly what crt_emudriver is for? I haven't actually got the card in the mail yet, but that's the entire reason I'm building it. I'm using a raspberry pi 3 over it's composite output right now and it scaled to 480i no matter what I do. I've seen pictures of similar setups with crt_emudriver and they look great.

>>3561941
crt emudriver is to be used with the VGA (or DVI-to-VGA) output. AFAIK the minidin takes whatever desktop resolution is, scales it to 480i and outputs it to the mindin in composite/svideo/component/rgb.

>>3561950

Well that's frustrating. Isn't there anyway to get non-scaled video to composite or svideo for emulation?

>>3561952
you need to take the VGA output, and put in an encoder. It's not that hard, in fact it's what consoles do internaly. I recommend a CXA1645 as it has Y/C out and requires far less components around than older CXA1145 that was used in many devices.

>>3561973

Thanks a bunch, you've been a ton of help. Is there any commercial product or simple guide to build one myself? I understand basic electronics, but to be honest I'm not sure how to read schematics. Also, does a solution like this add much lag or degrade picture quality at all?

>>3561996
there was something back then in japan for the megadrive, the XMD line that took RGB from the console and adapted it for either s-video or computer monitors. You can see it uses a CXA1145 to do so. But this is old stuff. I can't think of a commercial modern device that would do this, all do scaling. So it would be better to do one yourself tailored for your need.
It doesn't add lag.

What is everyone using for a TV stand? I've got 2 20in PVMs and this ikea shit isn't going to cut it. Total weight is like 130lbs

>>3562097
Maybe an aquarium stand. Aquariums weigh a lot.
I use one for my 36"

>>3562097
I will continue to push the school desk. It is too perfect and I think it's comfy

What is a good price to pay for a 13 or 14 inch RGB monitor these days? Does anybody have any suggestions on models I should look out for?

Are those crazy HD monitors rear-projection? Ones like the 28hd96 that Doom was written on.

>>3562325
Both Pvm-1354q and Pvm-14m4u are great models. People will tell you they bought theirs for $50 or $75 but I'd say $125 is totally reasonable for one of these. I very much enjoyed the picture they gave me.

>>3562328
Rear-projection for computer uses is a big no no.

are any of these worth picking up? http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=rgb440 http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=494

>>3562325
0 dollars. Don't be an idiot and fall for the meme. :)

So, /crt/, I bought an Extron 8 ch switcher but it's only for video. What can I do for my audio? Is there an audio switcher I can run my console's audio composite into?

>>3562492
Any cheap audio switch will work

>>3562509
Got a cheap one you rec? Do I need to convert from the audio cable to something else?

>>3561921
You're really going to want a component set for the image clarity.


card>vga to scart>usma>scart cable>scart to component transcoder. Or. Card> vga to 5 bnc breakout, bnc female/female Y adapter and female/female coupler>scart to 4 bnc breakout> Scart to Component transcoder.

connect the h+v sync together and connect the bnc's.

or get a pvm and use a breakout with the sync combined.

>>3562512
naw just hook the rca cables to the switch and a standard stereo rca cable from the output to whatever input your extron is outputting to.

>>3562516
his monitor only accepts up to svideo.
In fact it's not even svideo, since it predates actual svideo standard

>>3562520
Is this actually better than my Extron?

>>3553263
Which version of this game is better? I like the art of the mega drive version but there is a TL patch for the SNES one.

>>3560905
Puyo Puyo Tsu, my firend.
Sorry for the late reply

>>3562584
for the audio you mong.
>>3562539
I wouldn't bother with emudriver then, just use a wii with a s-video cable ad a Y/C breakout.config to boot into HBC and pow, 240p retrobox.

emudriver is rgbhv only and getting that to 240p Y/C is.... All the vga-yc converters Iv'e seen are 480i only. maybe a downscaler?

Hypothetically, is pic related worth a 5" PVM? Like would anyone on earth want to swap? I don't want this PVM, but it is pretty nice.

>>3562683
a pc + emudriver is much more flexible.
Also, building an encoder around the CXA1645 is really not that hard, and can be a fun (and cheap) little project. DIY is also much more statisfying

>>3562736

>14n5u
>14"
>500TVL
>Composite or Y/C only

>5041Q
>5"
>250 TVL
>Composite, Y/C, RGB, YPbPr

Personally I'd value the 14n5u higher than the 5041Q, which is the best 5". Perfect RGB doesn't mean too much at 5", and the thing is so damn long that it kinda defeats the point of a 5" monitor.

If you've got the 14n5u and are looking to trade you might have luck. If you're trying to trade in the other direction I don't know if you'll find any takers.

>>3562752
it's the n2, which also takes RGB if pics are correct.

>>3562752
Thanks for the input; I actually have the 14n1u (Composite, S-Vid, no RGB). I don't need an RGB monitor as I have nothing that outputs it. I was just curious, I don't have space for this 14" and I really want a 5". I thought it would be worth asking if that was even a fair trade to ask for.

>>3562764
You must live in 6x8' solitary confinement

Finally found the best TV i'll ever come across for free. Went garage sale hunting this morning and down the block from one was a lonely CRT with "Someone take me, I work!" slapped on it. I went to it after visiting the sales expecting another S-Video only 30" set which is way too big for my set up, only to find the perfect fit. A Sony kv-24fs120 WEGA Trinitron with Component. I thought the closest I was getting to Component was RGB on my Amiga, but finally I can enjoy a clear and vibrant picture at nearly double the screen size. The TV itself was in way better condition than the last one I picked up which died after a week. Everything's a little rotated, there seem to be some convergence issues, and it is flat screen, so geometry will never be perfect, but for now its better than nothing. If there's a way to fix convergence or the crooked screen in the service menu please let me know, I also don't have a remote.

Pic related, muh scanlines.

>>3562895
Maybe a little close, but here's some of the poor convergence. Green and Red seem to be having the most problems.

>>3562896
Waiting on my friend's Wii Component cable to use 240p test suite. Also 480i has some really bad flicker, am I just stuck with this because its 480i or is there a way to at least reduce it?

All pics taken with PS2 through YPbPr component.

>>3562764
There's always someone who says this. I share a one-bedroom in a city; I have the 14" set up on my desk now, but I would just rather have a smaller CRT. I technically have plenty of room, it's just cumbersome. Even a 9" would be a lot more manageable. Also I hate my desk, it exacerbates the situation. It's two tiered; if I had a longer regular desk it would be less of an issue.

>>3562492
I connect all my audio sources to a receiver, and I switch it with that.

>>3562895
>>3562896
>>3562902
pretty kewl, happy for you.
24/25" is a nice size compromise. I don't know about murika but in my yuro country it's a pretty uncommon size, most model lines jump from 20 to 29.

>>3562919
the 5"s are exactly as deep as the 8"s.

>>3562930
Good to know, depth isn't as big an issue. I'd even be happy with a consumer set at this point. 5" Color consumer sets are a bitch to find though. The B&W one I had was the perfect size but B&W and RF only isn't ideal.

>>3562742

This is the route I'm going to end up going, I have a buddy who knows exactly how to do and is walking me through the steps. I'll post the finished product here when I get it all up and running.

He mentioned I should maybe try the cxa2075 as it might give me a little cleaner picture, is there any reason I shouldn't?

Are PVMs hard to find now? Can't find any in my area.

>>3563150

You'll have a tough time finding them on any auction sites or websites with listings for a decent price. That said, there is still a fair chance you could get lucky and find something nice at a garage sale or lesser known thrift store.

>>3562895

budget like $50-100 for an RGB to YPbPr converter + cables, it's totally worth it.

The geometry doesn't bother me on a big one cause you can sit farther back. Great for two player.

t. 27fs120

I'm in the Atlanta area selling a Sony PVM-1910. The thing is in flawless condition with next to no use, but I'm finding that I just don't have time to get the use out of it that I would want. $75 or best offer pvtcinnamonbun@gmail.com

>>3561548
Yeah I finally figured it out yesterday. Changed the horizontal refresh with CRU.
Ps1emu looks fucking greattt as does shmupmame

I thought people were jerking off about needing expensive scan converters or old ati cards and shit? I'm just using my gtx970

>>3563421
Are you running it in 240p?

>>3563440
Yup. Haven't tested any wacky arcade res yet.

>>3563049
the 2075 is supposedly the best encoder, but it's only available in SMD form.

>>3563327
If only I was somewhere near Atlanta.

>>3563327
How much with shipping to mootxico?
I really want one, but they are damn rare this side of the border.

>>3563547
It will break if you ship it that far

>>3563421
Indeed, all cards can deliver 240p (given meeting the minimum pixel clock), it's even a standard HDMI CVT mode, it's just that apparently some Windows drivers explode when you give them those timings. I've run 240p from my rpi and Intel GPU laptop without problems.

>>3563327
Christ almighty I would jump on his in a heart beat if you were in CA

>>3562895
you can fix the rotation in the standard menu. open the flap on the front and navigate to the setup menu and it is labeled tilt. its kind of funky using the three buttons but you'll figure it out.

My parents bought a flat crt, a Sony Trinitron, from a friend of mine. I told them not to get rid of it when they finally bought a new one so I could hook up old systems to it. (It helped when I told my dad that Duck Hunt only worked on it.) Later my friend found a smaller Trinitron for free in addition to his hdtv.

>>3562619
I have no idea. I only put that one on my Everdrive for some neat photos, since I don't think it'd be terribly easy to actually play through and enjoy as such personally.

My Genesis sat on for 3/4 days for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vivr_svyk-E

I have a ypbpr consumer set and a s-video console setup except the genesis. Is it really worth it to get a transcoder and rgb cables? Or should I spend the money on taking my tv to a shop to get tuned up? Or should I try and tune it myself and buy beer?

>>3563523
You're lucky you're not...

Did I do well?
Got this off of fleabay for $160 + shipping.
There's one more for whoever wants it.
I'm gonna guess you'll have to be pretty quick though
Search BVM-14G5U

>>3564205
$180 for a 14inch bvm. I wouldn't exactly say you got a steal.

>>3564212
Maybe not a steal, but it's the cheapest I've seen one for a while now, considering I haven't seen any locally.

>>3564205
>>3564214
Hope you actually get the BKM-27T card with it. That's a nice bonus.
>>3564212
Read the small print. $20 is a placeholder shipping charge, the actual figure is likely to be a lot higher especially if you want it done properly.

>>3564236
It seems that it does come with the 27T.
It's an upgrade from my PVM 14L1 for sure.

>>3563327
>Sony PVM-1910
I'm in Jacksonville, FL and would pick it up if I had a long weekend to waste.

>>3553575
>>3553608
Actually, Ikegami monitors easily match or exceed the quality of a Sony. Sonys are an over-hyped meme-good enough, but not the only thing out there. The Ikegami range have a solid fucking chunk of metal as a CRT bezel and the use of a traditional round CRT instead of a Trinitron can be seen as offering a more authentic experience.

Ikegami monitors are the best kept secret. Only a fool would buy that new one-they are fairly rare compared to Sonys but still cheap when they show up.

>>3564327
The ikegami's are older

the older later 80s early 90s PVMs/BVMs have the same god tier build quality as well. with drawers.

>>3564334
>The ikegami's are older
My TM-2080r was made in 2001, and Ikegami is still offering new CRT displays as the $11k post showed (they must be using new old stock CRTs).

>>3555987
>>3555994
>btw that's the $2400 ebay tv, just arrived an hour ago.
>>3556357
Man, it's your money and all and if it makes you happy cool, but $2400? CRT is worth something to a handful on communities like this, and seen as worthless junk to put on the curb to the average burger ("muh flatscreenz!"). Something like that would show up on Craigslist for next to nothing.

i have a 1600x1200 @75 Hz computer CRT
can i get something better for under 100 bucks? im mostly a pc gamer

>>3562924
Honestly didn't even know these 24" sets were a thing either. Perfect upgrade from my 19" and way more fitting than my 27" Trinitron from before.

>>3563694
Not sure how I missed tilt correction while sifting through the menus, thank you. Booted up 240p Test Suite and it seems that the geometry is more messed up than I thought. Fixing the tilt only fixed one portion of the screen, it appears as if the entire screen is sheared. Would fixing that and the convergence require me to open this bad boy up? Sounds like a hassle. Note how none of the top dots are showing but on the bottom they come up at an angle.

>>3564808
Linearity

>>3564808
A combination of V ANGLE in the service menu and tilt oughta fix it

>>3564817
its a bit dofferent on an FD, there is t H+V Trapezium and Upper and Lower Pin

The angle doesn't look bad, it has too much overscan and is needs trap adjusted, get the H+V size and position down before trying to adjust other things, sometimes fixing that will change the beam landing a bit.

Always write down the original value of anything you're changing so you have a baseline to return to if shit gets fucked. and you're safe to fiddle with anything.

Yes, convergence will require a mechanical adjustment

>>3564685
You already have a good one.

>>3562337
so they aren't rear-projection? I'm just trying to figure out if I somehow (by some miracle) found one, would NES games look good on it (or would it upscale to 480i instead of displaying the proper progressive scan). My second choice would be a PVM, but there's an obvious visual appeal to having one of these on my desk (the middle one). Unless of course the consensus here is 240p would look like ass on one of them, and then I'd quit searching for one, and go back to PVM-hunting.

>>3564685
From occasionally searching on Seattle Craigslist I found a 2048x1536@75hz Gateway Aperture-grille monitor about a year ago and just picked up a 2048x1536@85hz Viewsonic shadow-mask monitor that smells like old people.

If you're around a major city something will pop up eventually but it's no use refreshing every single day if you already have one that's pretty nice.

BUT speaking of those two monitors, I have absolutely no idea how to get the geometry right on either of them to the point where it's affecting convergence. I basically instantly gave up on the Viewsonic, but I feel like there's some sort of methodical way to do geometry on an aperture grille. Like, it makes sense to figure out where to set the trapezoid option first since that seems to be what physically moves the beams the most, but I'm pretty clueless as to what a sensible rundown would look like.

>>3565054
they're still pc monitors, so they won't accept 15khz signals. And for the NES you would need to convert to RGB on top of it.

>>3564365
>Something like that would show up on Craigslist for next to nothing.
Only with absolutely stupid luck, and extremely unlikely in the grand scheme of things.

t. person who picked up the approximate Mitsubishi equivalent off of craigslist 2 years ago

>>3565054
No, it's just normal direct-view.

It's also a PC monitor and won't display below 31khz sync(480p) without doubling the refresh rate, and you'd need to go the emulation route to deal with that.

If you're only interested in NES, I really don't know if a PVM is necessary, especially if just running over the standard composite.

>>3565123
>>3565125

I should have clarified. Emulated NES games with Emudriver to get 240p. So a PC monitor can't display true 240p at all? Even with the right input?

>>3565143
>Emulated NES games with Emudriver to get 240p.
Emudriver would actually complicate things here, and you'd be better off in this situation either doing 240p@120hz with black frame insertion or 480p with inserted scanlines.

>>3565146
would either of those look any better/worse than legit 240p (15kHz with emudriver) on a PVM?

>>3565180
it looks like the sharpess of BVMs

>>3565068
I never had trouble adjusting geometry. It may be that your convergence is messed up and needs to be adjusted.

>>3565192
It definitely is, but it's in a way where I have no idea how to fix it. Like, my blues are actually slanted, but there's no radial convergence sort of adjustment.

In the factory menu I have a lot of options for changing convergence at the edges, but since it's not an edge problem I can't get the blues to raise high enough on the left side of my screen.

>>3564839
Is there a way to access the service menu with just buttons or do I need to hunt down a remote? I have access to phones with IR sensors, if there are any apps with the right buttons I might be able to download one.

>>3564839
Well I hope moving the H/V position will fix some of it. The convergence is only really bad in the top left and bottom right corners. Way better than my last trinitron at least. Taking apart this TV sounds like a really big hassle. There's definitely no convergence fixing in the service menu right? I've seen other TVs have beam adjustment in basic menus.

>>3563927

Transcoded RGB is really nice. If it's a choice between composite/rf and RGB (mega drive), it's no contest.

S-video is pretty good though. About half the time I won't notice I'm using S-video instead of RGB. Sunsets and other types of color-heavy levels like Brinstar will give it away though.

I literally don't think you can find a shop that tunes up CRTs any more. I asked at a couple and all I got were blank stares

You might need to use convergence strips. You can make these yourself using those blades that snap apart, thin cardboard, and tape.

>>3561864
>nintendo
>card games

How ironic
that's not what ironic means you dolt

>>3565209
It wont.

You need The rings adjusted and convergence strips used by someone who knows what theyre doing. probably the yoke redone.

>>3565125
>Only with absolutely stupid luck, and extremely unlikely in the grand scheme of things.
Meh, I've seen an XM29 on CL, Mitsubishi Megaviews, etc. none of which were expensive (not in my area though). The average flipper who trolls CL wouldn't look twice at tubes, even if they had an idea of the niche value as the shipping hassle is there. No, this stuff doesn't fall into your lap-you have to work for it and maybe wait years even-but if the alternative is to spends thousands for something essentially worthless to 99 percent of burgers?

I found this GPU in a pile of junk almost pristine, a Radeon R7000L, it even smells like a new GPU, not even a speck of dust in-between the nooks and crannies

I have an old Sanyo CRT, and while I do have a Wii, I really want to know what are my options if I wanted to try and hook up a PC to my TV, and if component adapters work and if they're worth it

It is purely for nostalgia, I have a 36" Insignia LCD that has every single port I could use, but that was my parents' old TV, I have no memories with that

>>3564236
Usually shipping for something of that dude comes out sub $50. So $130 for a 14inch bvm yes I guess it's pretty standard for a 14inch monitor and cheap for a bvm

>>3564327
They are sharp but still have a hint of bloom to them so they look less sterile than the sonys.
>>3564334
Mines from like 2004. They hardly bothered to change the design, just some buttons are different.

>>3565143
On a PC monitor just set it to 480p and then put scan lines to full. Same exact thing.

>>3565636
you lose half brightness

>>3565647
That would still be true at actual 240

>>3565651
double strike is a thing

>>3565652
You dont know what youre talking about.

>>3558515
How can you tell?

>>3559106
Is that a thing? Adding RGB to a PVM that doesn't support it natively?

>>3565660
and you do, of course (ツ)

>ask around some video production guys if they know anyone with a PVM or BVM
>one guy tells me his friend bought several used ones years ago
>email his friend
>"Yes I have several"
>email him back immediately about what kind he has and if he would planning on selling them
>silence
>this was 14 hours ago

If he doesn't reply back tomorrow I'm considering it a lost cause

>>3565851
you cant wait a fucking day?

some people wait a lifetime...

for a moment like this.

>>3565528
Where are you getting this imaginary $180 total from?

>>3565851
ask him if he's tryna make a bunch of quick money by getting rid of them all at once. By that I mean, selling them to /crtg/. If he's in my area and he's got a PVM 19 or 20 for a decent price, I'd get one. If he's cool with you saying, what area is he in?

>>3565851
He's doing eBay searches to figure out what they're "worth"

>>3564205
Fell for the meme hard. You are a dumbass.

>>3565851
I did the same."Oh sorry Anon we threw them all out last month."

>>3565664
HDCRTs were sold until around 2007, so I would say anything made before and probably a few years after would be good.

>>3565910
I still don't know if the monitors are even good, for all I know they could be 5 inch turds. But I'll be waiting for his response. The dude is in California if that helps.

>>3565851
>>3565976

this

if you ask anyone who has something thwy dont know the value of, youre shooting yourself in the foot, theyre going to look it up and maximize their income. not much you can do about it, it just happens.

>Tfw playing games on 1024x768 on a CRT
It looks so good for the few pixels there are. Why does going to 1080p on a modern screen do so little, if not make it worse?

>>3566560
Update: he said that he sold some Sony monitors before but he doesn't know if he still has any, however he apparently has some "Dell SD monitors" that he'd give me for 20 bucks (I think he means computer monitors so I don't think I should take him up on that)

>>3565384
pls respond

>>3566797
If they're Ultrascan P991 or P1130 models you totally should.

They're awesome.

I bought my RGB cords 10 years ago. I think I went with euroscart to RGBS BNC. Where can I get another one? One that you fellas think is decent. Amazon has some, but just thought I would ask.

Also if a monitor accept ypbpr and RGB, is there another adapter out there worth looking into that transfers component to BNC? Is that even a thing?

>>3567240
You just use rca female to male bnc adapters, ypbr is almost as good as rgbs.

>>3567273
It is so simple, that I never even attempted that. I didn't even look that up either, because nothing has been simple for getting the best for retro gaming.

Anyone else have a PVM 8042-Q? what are your settings like? I'm new with the PVM information

>>3567240
>>3567296
It's actually even simpler - SCART as a connector just acts an expensive middle man and a con to make people pay up for their magical quality cable, at least outside of Europe. It can be as simple as making a custom RGB cable going straight from the console to BNC inputs, but no one sells them because I guess us Americans enjoy importing foreign cables just so we can adapt them.

>>3567296
PS2 has you covered for PS1 and 2 games on YPbPr, PSP as well.
the rest is going to need RGBS do your research to find the best sync option for your setup.

>>3567396
there is a mysterious ebay store that pops up from time to time and sells direct to bnc cables for a few consoles.

I think my CRT is dying on me. It's been acting weird for a while now. It's from the early 2000s and I've had it for over a decade. It's been my main tv for years (I never got a HD tv). Sometimes, especially after being on for hours, it won't turn off. I'll click off but it just turns back on but with the volume off. The only way to fix it is to unplug it for a few hours.

>>3566878
Yeah, it could work but also be more effort than it's worth. You already have a Wii, which has component out and lots of emulation options.

>>3567396
can't wait for the wikileaks revelations

Newbie here.

Is this the right adaptor for PVM monitors connecting consoles? Will it accept a composite signal?

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/sony-pvm/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

>>3567838
>Is this the right adaptor for PVM monitors connecting consoles?
Yes, for Scart.

>>3567838
>Will it accept a composite signal?
No. Does it even look like it does?

>>3567841

Well I meant with one of pic related attached

>>3567396
For the SNES, the multi out to SCART cable is $7, about twice as much as the multi out to RCA cable. That being said, $7 isn't much and you can't use the RCA cable because it doesn't have terminals or wires connected to the required pins.

Best thing IMO if you are going to RGB with SNES is to buy the SCART cable and solder wires onto the end of the SCART connector then run the wires into BNC terminals if that's what your monitor takes. In any case you need the multi out connector and the SCART version has the wiring already, plus the capacitors and resistor. The only problems I've had is the sync (its prewired for composite sync) If anyone needs sync only just open the multi out connector and move the yellow wire over to pin 3.

Was up til 3 on my porch with my composite only zenith playing Donkey Kong on Super Gameboy. As good as it gets right here.

>>3567961
What are you drinking?

>>3568002
was bourbon, buffalo trace.

>>3567859
I don't know if it'll work with what you've shown, but you can do it. Why would you ever do that though. Please don't say NES.

>>3568127
>bourbon, buffalo trace
Classy as fuck.

>>3567859
>>3568175
It should work, those are just basic composite to scart adapters that everyone outside of USA has

>>3567240
if you use a cable that is wired with composite on pin 21, or with >>3567859, take the bnc used as sync and plug it in the composite input.

Just recieved my first monitor, an Ikegami TM14-17R. It's absolutely lovely.

However, I find myself having to turn down the contrast/brightness more than I would like to keep high contrast images and whites from wobbling the screen. Putting terminators on the outputs helped, but I still seem to have a really low ceiling to work with. Any higher here and the piano behind Amy would start quivering.

Is this within the realm of normal? Or is it just getting old? It was manufactured 2004 so it couldn't be doing too bad.

>>3567859
These things trigger me every time I see them. I just now there's some dumbasses out there that think this means they're using RGB.

>>3568260
If you put terminators on the outputs, it should be fine.
Have you checked if the potentiometers (located in the holes in the front) have been turned up too high?

>where were you when super low latency rasp pi supergun that doesn't even have USB lag let alone digital video conversion

>>3568469
Link?

>>3568469
http://bencao74.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/raspberry-pi-with-15khz-rgb-scart.html

>>3568260
Don't only have the contrast turned up too much, turn it down a bit and turn up the brightness a bit instead. You will see more detail that way.

>>3566089
Is $160 + shipping really that bad of a deal? I was bidding on an Ikegaki tm14-20r but it got away from me. All I really wanted was RGB-capability for the future. My current monitor only has Y/C and Composite.

>>3568627
*Ikegami

>>3568627
Lol look at this shit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ikegami-TM14-17RA-14-CRT-Professional-Broadcast-Monitor-Tested-FREE-SHIPPING-/252591749913?hash=item3acfa43b19:g:eA4AAOSw8w1YBjhr

I paid $100AUD for a newer one a year ago. That said the 20" is like my dream monitor and if I saw one for sale in australia I would drive interstate and pay hundreds of dollars, perpetuating the meme even further

>>3568627
No, it's not a bad deal at all. Assuming of course it is packaged appropriately, shipped sympathetically and is in decent condition to begin with.

As I mentioned earlier the 27T card is rare and sought after. You will effectively end up with 3 YPbPr or RGsB inputs, 2 RGsB and 1 RGBS inputs or 9 Composite inputs (with NTSC, PAL and SECAM decoding) all without having to touch an external switch.

There are plenty of people out there who would pay the asking price for that card alone.

>>3568682
I didn't think it was too bad of a deal >_>
I guess i just hadn't realized how far /vr/'s gotten into the grognard-esque trolling game

Friend said he just had to pass on an ikegami 20 inch. Because there was a small surface chip on the top of the screen. Is that fixable?

>>3568725
No, you can get an epoxy to fill it, but it won't ever be 100%

>>3568727
Guessing it would look like a windshield chip that was fixed. Like a smudge or dirt that never goes away. It sucks as it is about the size of a pixel, but otherwise the deal was awesome. I almost bought it on his behalf.

>>3568729
Right, that's the epoxy I'm thinking of.
You can always search far and wide for another tube

>>3568687
Yeah well it's pretty much gone from anons wanting a good deal to GIB FREE MONITORZ SHLOMO.

The truth is that the cat is now well and truly out of the bag regarding pro CRTs, even amongst normies and casuals. There are people out there with deeper pockets who will pay the prices being asked on a whim and this, combined with dwindling supply and lack of credible alternative technologies, will ensure that overall prices will continue to rise.

Bear in mind you're talking to someone who recently paid $13 for a BVM-20F1E so better deals are still out there. I just think you did OK and if you end up with the result you want then who am I , or anyone here, to tell you how to spend your disposable income.

Just make sure it doesn't get wrecked on its way to you or /crt/ will be coming after you with the torches and pitchforks...

>>3568680
i paid 50 €uros incl. shipping for my TM14-17R. Dunno its age tho, isn't printed on the label on back .. probably not a good sign lol

>>3568748
Mine doesn't have it either mysteriously. But it's a newer model, TM14-20R

>>3568469
I was vacuuming my carpet

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-PVM-14M2U-14-inch-Professional-Color-Video-Monitor/222278894167

so... this is the power... of memes...

I got this 1954q pvm a while ago for $30 on kijiji, it was never used.

does anybody own a KV-36XBR450? I want to know if the 1080i resolution is 60hz or 30hz. My plasma supports up to 1080i but is capped at 30hz which is annoying when watching 60FPS+ content and hurts the eyes. The reason I want to use this resolution is because some PlayStation 3 games absolutely refuse to display under anything less than 720p and the CRT I tested is strictly SD meaning not even 480p while the KV-36XBR450's manual says it only supports 480i/480p and 1080i sources.

>>3568806
For the love of good please don`t scratch the top with that psp of yours.

I also got a new Olympus OEV143 (rebranded PVM-14M2MDU) a while ago. Just happened to stumble upon him on ebay with no pic and discripted as a "demo unit"... was totaly baffled when the first thing I had in my hand, after opening the original transportation box, was the still sealed manual.

Take good care of the little guy.