/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3567186
Neither is good, but Phantasy Star II is better.

For the time (late 80s) Phantasy Star II was one of the best JRPGs. The dungeons are pretty cool but the combat is shallow and repetitive and the game feels like a slog to play through.

>>3567186
Skip both and play Grandia.

>>3567186
Skip the bullshit and play Breath of Fire 4, the best of the series.

Breath of Fire 2 with the retranslation patch is miles better than PS2.

>>3567186
Phantasy Star II can be a tedious, boring game if you don't know what you're getting into. Think Wizardry-lite.

Breath of Fire II is one of the better games in its series and a fun playthrough outside of the encounter rate (but if you're going against PSII then that's no issue). Play it with the retranslation patch.

I'd say BoFII is the better game just because it isn't bogged down by arguably antiquated JRPG gameplay.

>>3567186
Phantasy Star 2 is a challenging game, which is rare in this genre. So I'd go with that first.

>>3567197
I don't have a copy of Grandia. I have 2 and 3 but not 1.

>>3567202
I like to play the series in order. I've played both PS1 and BoF1 but nothing after.

I would strongly suggest PS2 but BoF2 might be more enjoyable as it's lighter and easier.

>>3567214
>>3567209
Retranslation Patch for SNES? What about the version on GBA?
>>3567260
Why not emulate Grandia I?

>>3567287
I'm a retarded purist. I like to play shit on my console and TV instead of my computer. It just feels right.

>>3567291
I can't afford that shit because it's ridiculously overpriced. So I just emulate via controller.
But I do have a decent collection of MS-DOS and Windows games. Not very interested in collecting console games though.

>>3567287

The patch is only for the SNES version.

>>3567186
I prefer Phantasy Star 2. Both games mostly involve wading through an endless sea of random encounters, but Phantasy Star 2 has better dungeons and a more unique aesthetic. Phantasy Star 2 is also faster paced, as it doesn't spend much time fleshing out the plot or characters, and the combat animations are faster.

>>3567346
Ok.

>>3567186
Why not play the remake of PS2 for PS2?

http://pscave.com/psg2/download/

>>3567186
y helo thar. Nice little bit of progress you've made. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it.

>>3567421
Because it's clearly awful.

>>3567421
This. If OP has not played the original I recommend this.

If OP really wants to play the original Genesis version I highly recommend doing it on an emulator to use fast forward to speed up some of the mind numbingly boring grinding.

>>3567186
As long as you don't make Nei your waifu

>>3567658
I wouldn't say PS2 is grindy, but it is damn slow

>>3567676
I found the game incredibly grindy because it took me forever to realize how to recruit additional party members. Soloing dungeons with Rolf was pretty painful, as was having Kain join at level 1 while Rolf was level 35 or so.

>>3567209
This.

OP, consider these:
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>>355052969
>>355053141

>>355054726
>>355054826
>>355054989

>>3567209
This.

OP, consider these:
>>>/v/355052794
>>>/v/355052969
>>>/v/355053141

>>>/v/355054726
>>>/v/355054826
>>>/v/355054989

>>3567817
No, it's a shit retranslation by some autistic fan. Kill yourself.

>>3567186
Phantasy Star is shit. Play the fan translation of Breath of Fire 2
Use a cheat to boost the gold you get a bit. They made it so you get more gold in the gba version anyway

>>3567857
>Play the fan translation of Breath of Fire 2
>Play the fan translation
>fan translation

>>3567874
>Playing the official translation of Breath of Fire 2
Christ.

>>3567874
You some sort of retard mate?

>>3567880
>>3567886
>Playing the god-awful fanfic-tier fantranslation

>>3567887
Going to guess you haven't played either. The official translation is horrendous.

The fan translation is pretty great, but even a deviant art fanfiction written in an afternoon would be better than the official.

>>3567892
t. weeb shitter

I'll take a spotty official translation over anything that reads like it's straight from DA. Unless we're talking about Wild Arms 2.

>>3567817
>>3567817
>>3567817
I fucked up. Don't download emuparadise pre-patched ROM (>>>/v/355054826), it has shitty new anime intro song instead of that badass one used in the original (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4439q8mwqwc)), although its description says ORIGINAL TITLE SCREEN MUSIC.

Fist download this:
http://www.emuparadise.me/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_(SNES)_ROMs/Breath_of_Fire_II_(USA)/33081

Then this:
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1384/
Here follow the instructions to get the "Original Title Screen Music (v1.2b).ips" working. It's an extra patch to restore music. First patch the ROM of US version you've downloaded with "Breath of Fire 2 Retranslation (v1.2b).ips", then with "Original Title Screen Music (v1.2b).ips". Apply XP/Zenny x2 patch over them and use a "empty" save file.

If you skip "Original Title Screen Music (v1.2b).ips", before you patch the ROM of US version furthermore with XP/Zenny, your ROM becomes nothing but the notorious pre-patched ROM from emuparadise.

>>3567928
Fuck off.

Oh wow he listened.

>>3567930
No, I made a mistake.

>>3567186
Phantasy star 2 hands down.
Get graph paper and pencil for the dungeons though, of course you can go online for them too but if you want the true le retro feels go that route.

>>3567931
There's no shame in being obedient, lad. ;^)

>>3567235
>challenging game
>every dungeon's a maze with holes in the goddamn floors that you have to jump into to progress
>a lot of holes impede your progress by making you go through the same floors again
>random encounters every 4 steps
Breath of Fire II.

>>3567985
>A bloo bloo bloo I'm a fucking casual

>>3568014
Terrible game design can make a game challenging but that doesn't make it good.

Phantasy Star 2 has cool dungeons, an original sci-fi fantasy setting, and a more interesting story.

Breath of Fire is not a very exciting series.

>>3567186
With retranslation patch BoF2 is better.
Just from the cart PS2 is better.

>>3567985
>wwaaawww someone hold my hand.
>atleast it comes with a free strategy guide

>>3568060
>The game is so broken they packaged it with a strategy guide that includes maps for the dungeons
Even ignoring this, random encounters every 4-6 steps is cancer, m8.

>>3568031
Just assume you want a walk simulator.
That's why I can stand the jrpg fanbase

>>3567197
Grandia is memeshit.

>>3567887
>I am wrong so I'm going to post a dank meme

I played both when they were new. Both were excellent games in their prime.

PSII was a very early 16 bit rpg and it really shows. It is an unbelievably sluggish experience in it's original form.

The PS2 remake was fan translated last year and that would probably be a far more enjoyable RPG experience. The characters get more cinematic scenes and development and everything is a bit more "connected".

Also you get backgrounds in combat and not the bleak grid of the original. Faster walk speed and battle speed also helps but the original games difficulty is still there.

>>3568232

Hmm that was a bad example screenshot as that one still had the blue grid background. But Like I said it was more than just a graphics facelift. Faster combat and walking speed is the biggest reason to go for the remake.

>>3567287
All the GBA version did was up the EXP/Gold drops and some lesser encounter chances at the cost of audio and visuals. There was literally nothing else changed, not even any minor text fixes.

You can basically play the GBA version on SNES these days already, only thing being the encounters.

>>3567887
Retranslation isn't perfect, but I'll take anything over what we got.

>>3568232
>the original games difficulty is still there.
It's not, though. It may not be as bastardised as the PS1 remake, gameplay wise, but you've now got unbalanced super moves, which are completly out of place.

>>3568373
>but you've now got unbalanced super moves, which are completly out of place.

Then don't use them?

>>3568373
>It may not be as bastardised as the PS1 remake
The original was "Attack with Lutz to win" and you know it.

>people recommending the Phantasy Star 2 remake

get the fuck off this board

>>3567186
They are both great games. BoF is a bit more palatable however. Things like menu, and buying items are easier. The battles are less tedious. So go with that one. PS2 is legendary, but is tedious as fuck. While in 1990 or whatever it was great, it has not aged well in that area.

>>3568649

PS1 remake was a mistake but 2 was fine.

It lets people under the age of 30 actually enjoy the game's story and fantastic world(s) without having to endure that same mind numbing tedium that we oldfags went though back in the day.

If you are one of the "harder is better, older is more ironic and cool" type autists you can go ahead and pretend to enjoy another playthrough on Genesis but for anyone else the remake is just fine.

>>3568068
Then why are you defending BoF2? Both games suffer from a ridiculous encounter rate. They typically take longer to resolve in BoF2, though, which is part of why I eventually dropped the game.

>>3568232
The remake froze occasionally when I played it. That might be an issue with playing it through ESR rather than with the game itself, though.

>>3568797
But BOF 2 addresses the issue better I would say. There is an indicator of how "active" the monsters are, as well as items that lower the encounter rate.

>>3568797

Breath of fire has a high encounter rate as well but you get around a bit quicker and there are fewer "fuckhuge for no reason" dungeons to slowly crawl through.

Phantasy star 2 and 3 were notorious for their dungeon design, (not the difficulty, just for being boring as fuck and unnecessarily large and meandering with lots of pitfalls).

Phantasy star 2 only has like 3 boss fights in the entire game. It was from an era when big empty multi-level dungeons existed with one unguarded key item and no NPC or story developments occurred inside most of them. Just a massive complex to slowly explore for the treasure chest and then you leave. Pitfalls and random encounters every 4 steps punish you for exploring.

Pic related is part of an 8 floor dungeon (plus underwater passageway) but the lower levels were straightforward enough. You can wander around more and get healing items from chests, but like most dungeons it is not very rewarding to do so. The game came with a guidebook for a reason.

>>3567287
I just started the re-translation version last night. It's pretty damn good, I have to say. For the first time the story actually makes sense. I played the GBA version back when it released and was not impressed.

>>3568232
Music remix sucks. Art is deviant art tier. Bad remake.

>>3568710
>games made for children are too difficult for me.

If you are playing games in order and decide to go with Phantasy Star 2 - you will probably either love or hate PStar3, and PStar4 is one of the greatest games ever made.

>>3569323
Phantasy Star was made for nerds.

bof2 has a great heroine
not sure about ps2

>>3569683
heroine who has two modes

it's certain that at least one can't pass by you unnoticed

>>3569683
A heroine who is one of the most powerful characters in the game and levels fast as fuck

>>3569713
Leotard > Top + No pan

>>3567186
They're both pretty terrible man, jesus...

>>3569719
Leotard < Top + No pan

BOF2 got mediocre reviews when it came out. I have to admit the first third of the game was a slog that was difficult to get through.

>>3567197
did someone say heroin

If you're gonna play BoF, go with BoF1, it has a better soundtrack and the battles are faster.

BoF2 is pretty boring and the battle theme is terrible. This is coming from someone who played through Phantasy Star 2, which has a pretty irritating battle theme (grows on you after a while though) but the game is a nice challenge and has a hell of a great ending.

>>3569996
Faster battles won't make the game good if it has precisely a completely generic and uninteresting plot.

>>3569907
http://www.ign.com/games/breath-of-fire-ii/snes-238
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath_of_Fire_II#Reception
And it wouldn't have mattered anyway, it only matters in the present. And in the present the game has patches to fix most of the stuff.

>>3569874
>PS2
>bad
LELELELEL
Australia shitposting beyond the grave of Castlvania threads.

>>3569436
So were you

I prefer PS II out of those two. It's just more old school and less gimmicky. I love the old RPGs where you have access to to mid game gear from the start, there's just not feasible method to obtain them. It adds more to immersion IMO. PSII had a pretty good TWEEST and BOF II's MOMENT was pretty fucked up but PS II's had more impact for me.

That said though I'll pick BOF IV or PS IV over either.