/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3550632
did you play the Windows version? how long was it? I want to play the pc98 but don't know if my Japanese is good enough for a vn yet and don't want to play the non pixel art version. there are way too few decent pixel art vns already as to lose on one more . I fucking loved yu-no though .

>>3550648
The artist for both versions is the same so you don't lose much of one version by playing the other (Art-wise, at least). In fact, the only real difference is that the PC-98 version looks more glossy, while the Windows version has more of an anime feel to it, because of the colors used.

That aside, the game's around 30 hours long, I think.

>>3550648
The artist for both versions is the same so you don't lose much of one version by playing the other (Art-wise, at least). In fact, the only real difference is that the PC-98 version looks more glossy, while the Windows version has more of an anime feel to it, because of the colors used.

That aside, the game's around 30 hours long, I think.

>>3550665
By "anime" I meant TV anime, by the way.

I was expecting more replies, oh well. Does anyone happen to know the original versions of the names that got locaized in the Himeya tl (Siria got localized to Natasha, for example)?

>>3550632
>Also, are any of the sequels worth playing?
The Japanese seem to think the answer is "no", but I guess I can't personally confirm that.

I can definitely say "no" to the only other English EVE game though - not only did the translation quality drop like a meteor, it's also "incomplete" and they later released a completed version that you might as well have played in the first place, outside of the fact that it was never translated to English.

I played Desire and it was a hot mess, how does Eve compare to it?
I loved Yu-No so I don't want to find out that Kanno was a one hit wonder

>>3552197
Eve's a pretty great game. About as good as YU-NO, I'd say. Granted, there are some things near the ending that I find kinda questionable, but it was a great ride nonetheless. Also, YU-NO came out after both EBS and Desire, which means the writer had more skill and experience by the time he wrote that.

>>3552101
The first game's translation isn't particularly stellar either. Rewrites aside, there's a fuckton of typos and some names were changed for no real reason.

You guys wanna see the YU-NO remake of Eve?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbUmMyu2D74

>>3551990
Congrats, welcome to the club of 10 people that have played this. I enjoyed it too, and the sequel. And would love if the others were translated.

>>3552417
I just thought that with it being translated for years and playable even on a browser there'd be more people who have actually played it. Guess not. By the way, I've got a question: How did Puddin' end up in front of Mido's corpse? Was she drugged by King!Mayako and put next to his body to frame her for the crime?

>>3552463
>I just thought that with it being translated for years and playable even on a browser there'd be more people who have actually played it. Guess not.
I think Yu-No was in the perfect circumstances of being pretty good and translated when people were getting nostalgic about older Anime-like artstyle.

The "quasi release date" of a fan translation being released is pretty important because that's when things have the most buzz around it because very few people go out of their way to check out older games IMO.

Granted this is /vr/ so there should be more people willing to do that here, but VNs seem to be one of those genres where the "don't care about old stuff" effect is really pronounced.

>>3552907
Well, I sure hope Eve Burst R and its upcoming adult version get officially or fan-translated then, because Eve's a pretty great game in its own right

>>3552930
Yeah.

>>3552907
I'm not sure man. I can definitely feel there's a huge interest in playing PC-98 games just for the graphics alone and people are starving to try it, but there's hardly any translations.

>>3552907
I think a lot more people are being shunned away by the game not having the pc-98 graphics than what you might think.

>>3553918
Yep, I'm one of them.

>>3553918
>>3553957
See: >>3550665
Also, asenhein allows you to play with the PC-98 CGs and poetraits

>>3554029
I played recently Desire in asenheim and it was a pretty bad port with lot's of missing stuff animations and music, and I only did a couple of comparisons from gameplay videos and I could see a lot of missing stuff, I mean just the intro alone the wrong music is playing. They seem to have focused on porting the windows version as accurately as possible but the PC-98 graphics and music were just a quick after thought.

If EVE's asenheim pc98 port is as bad as Desire's I wouldn't recommend it. And considering the port seems to be focused on the windows graphics as well I'm not holding my breath.

It would be nice if tlwiki took an interest in translating Eve Burst Error and do the same Yu-No treatment

>>3554087
I can understand wanting to play Desire's PC-98 version because of the different art, but why EVE's? The artist is the same and so is the lineart. It's only the colors that are different most of the time.

>>3554098
I'm just a sucker for dithering
The music is also a big factor, I'm a big fan of Umemoto's FM synth stuff.

Not that Eve has the best graphics from what I've seen out there though, even Desire was quite a mixed bag. But I still prefer them over the windows graphics.

Losing the voice acting though is the biggest turn off when going for the PC-98 version, that's why I so desperately want the tlwiki treatment.

>>3554118
I doubt even TLwiki can do anything about Desire or EVE. YU-NO worked because it was pretty much the original pc-98 game but on Windows, so making a hook that plays voices at the right parts was very feasible. EVE and Desire on the other hand are not available on PC in their original form, so someone would probably have to recreate them by scratch or somehow mod the Windows ports to be more like the PC-98 versions.

>>3550665
But this clearly shows the pc version art is a lot worse.
A lot less subtleties to the lighting, the background is completely destroyed also:
look at the streeet on the left picture and then on the right one. Also: there are no clouds in the sky in the second one.
And, well, no dithering and duller colors are ae minus point too.

>>3554156
It's the middle of the night, of course the clouds aren't gonna be all that visible and the colors are gonna look duller. If anything, the PC-98 version looks too bright. Also, making the hair look like it's made of wax is hardly what I'd call a subtlety.

>>3554162
I am not talking about subtletie in that sense. I guess I should have said detail.
I want my old games to have old game art not some weird inbetween of jaggy, lazy, anime cels.

>>3554162
Not the other guy but I think the portraits look pretty good in the windows version, definitely not a bad conversion, especially considering how bad the VN remasters go. But the background art seems to have taken quite a hit. And again Eve Burst Error is not that beautiful compared to other PC-98 titles. But Desire is still worst so, not that bad.

Either way it all boils down to personal preference, but boy is the border in the windows version quite an eyesore

>>3554242
Alas background art is only secondary, let's get down to what's REALLY important

>>3554262

>>3554272
Shit why did they change the hair color

>>3554282

>>3554291
Mido and Suzuki are not the same character.

>>3554296
Ah I see
You're right

>>3554282
Yayoi looks better with purple hair, the pink hair blends in too much with her skin.

Also, why does every goddamn C's Ware game have backgrounds (like >>3554291 and my pic) that look like they belong on a gameboy?

>>3554305
Yeah I don't get it either. Desire had 3 backgrounds like that, the beach, airport and that entrance. Pretty fucking lazy shit

>>3554305
Another example from Love Potion (Etsuraku no Gakuen). I get that the PC-98 has that 16 color limit and all, but YU-NO did not have this issue, and neither did other elf games I suspect.

>>3554309
>>3554320
Getting the impression that the colors on Windows look too dark while the PC98 ones are too bright. Also, here's some art from EBSR for completion's sake.

I guess this is enough
End of comparison dump

>>3554330
Ah shit I forgot that thing even existed

>>3554309

>>3554329

>>3554345
There's probably gonna be more buzz about it (in Japan, at least) once the adult version hits.

Also, interesting fact about it: they're actually using the backgrounds from the first remake of the game with the shit character redesigns(and they also seem to have used waifu2x or some variant to upscale them, because I just upscaled the original background with medium noise reduction and the result is nearly identical.).

Guess redrawing the backgrounds was out of their budget or something.

Just gonna leave this here again in case anyone is interested in playing the asenheim version:

https://userstyles.org/styles/132998/asenheim-dark-theme

I mailed them about it, maybe they'll end up adding some of it to the site

>>3554471
What was so hard about adding fullscreen to the thing for fucks sake. I hate those guys, all their decissions seem wrong. The UI, taking the windows versions as base, etc.
I don't care if they're doing it for free, fuck them.

>>3554162
It's called moonlight m8

>>3555125
The Windows version is the one in English and also what the people who run the site played first.

>>3555152
Yes, and? The moon isn't as bright as you think it is. Hell, I went outside after making that post and I couldn't make out a single cloud in the sky, despite it being cloudy as fuck that day.

>>3555125
>What was so hard about adding fullscreen to the thing for fucks sake.

I tried doing it myself and in some games the clicks were not registering, so probably technical issues, dunno. So far only browser zoom seems to work, but I'm not exactly tech savvy though.

>>3554440
>once the adult version hits.
I can't wait to finally read the H-scene with the chicks with the really huge boobs

>>3555268
Stop talking about my breasts, anon!

>>3555652
Katsuragi used her tits as a lifesaver and got out of the boat, right?

>>3552261
I loved Yu-No so I'll check Eve out. Thanks man

>>3557391
Wasn't he shot or something? It's been a while.

>>3557656
His leg got crushed under rubble. Syria's the one who got shot, I think.

Yayoi BGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4zG0zpzDSo

>>3558001
Am I the only one who thinks Yayoi's theme haa a very similar feel to Mio's?

Best EVE girl?

>>3559165
Yayoi, Kyoko and Siria/Natasha exist.

>>3559378
Come to think of it, did anyone play the original game she's supposed to be from? Wonder if she's important there

>>3558158
If you say Mio is YU-NO, composer is the same person.

>>3550632
Original EVE Version(PC-98) is Created by KANNO Hiroyuki(菅野ひろゆき).
He is not involved in the other(SATURN, PC, Sequel).
Other than the original is no Kanno's intention. And It is unattractive, the play value is not.

>>3559665
I only played a bit of it a month ago. Might play more for the heck of it.

>>3559782
I'm aware, but the similarities don't end there: Both characters have a scene where the protag gives them a piggy back ride, for instance.

>>3559797
続編のEVE the lost oneのシナリオを後に直木賞を取ったあの桜庭一樹が担当した。それでも読み応えがないのか?

>>3559797
Is this a moon person trying to make contact?

>>3560159
The game is pretty well known in Japan. Pretty sure it's in eroge scape's top 5 too

>>3562287
Still we don't really see moon denizens trying to make contact here usually
I don't even remember if they're still banned, shit's been so long ago

>>3562308
Does Kagawa have a sex scene in the PC-98 version?
Also, is this the coolest mofo in the entire game?

Why is Ryu Takami's music so fucking good?
https://youtu.be/_TLSO8aGZw8?t=37m17s

>>3559665
She's kinda important
IIRC she's the only who isn't fucked by the MC

Pic related is also supossed to be in that game

>>3562364
>spoiler
Don't think so by looking through the CGs.

>>3562374
Surprisingly Ryu Takami only has a few tracks in the game but they're easily the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNjuygK7lA0

>>3563290
She's the first girl that talks to you in the front gate. Looks pretty cute with long hair.
By the way, why couldn't C's Ware into color palettes? Shit's an eye sore.

>yfw Mayako cameos in Desire

>>3564793
Guy on the right is so Toyotomi

>>3565832
Personalities are pretty similar too
Toyotomi is definetely more sly, though. Nikaido only manages to get the better of Kijirou once, and that's only because he was following orders. Not to mention the faggot dies midway through.

>>3565832
Speak thy name and summon the beast

>>3554242
HOLY SHIT! This one physically hurts.
I'm thinking of playing through YU-NO, is the Windows art as inferior as this one?

>>3566220
Yu-No for Windows uses the PC-98 art
Just be sure to apply the optional music patch from the fan translation patch so it gets the PC98 music as well.

>>3566227
Nice, thanks.

>>3566051
You're having way too much fun with this. By the way, since we're on the subject of similarities here's some I've noticed between Yuno, Desire and EBS
>Both Eriko from Yuno and Albert from Desire have their own variants of the "Where I come from, men are only allowed to cry when X"
>both Yuno and Eve have a scene where the protag hurts someone under the pretense of "wanting to kill a bug" (Desire might have it too but I can't remember)
>All of the games can be boiled down to "Protag saves a young blonde girl from her predicament"
>Both Takuya and Kojirou complain about women "repeating their questions"
>Both Takuya and Albert make mentions to "entropy"
>all of the games have a character that "talks like a guy" (Sylvia, Eriko and Yayoi)
There's probably more that I can't remember right now

>>3566283
Not sure about this one but both Eve and Yuno have a joke where a character gets asked who he or she is and they reply with "a human."
Also, all of the games have a scene where the protag gives a piggy back ride to the hard-to-get heroine (Kazumi/Yayoi/Mio), and another one where two of the aforementioned heroines catch the protag having sex with another woman (Syria/Mitsuki)

>>3566342
>Not sure about this one but both Eve and Yuno have a joke where a character gets asked who he or she is and they reply with "a human."
Must have written Final Fantasy Tactics as well

>>3567501
Heh. Now that I think about it, it could be a Japanese thing.

>>3568427
The Japanese word for Person and Human are the same thing; ningen

>>3566283
>>3566342
Remembered two more.
>Both Kojirou and Takuya complain about abstract art (Kojirou about the statue in the main street, and Takuya about the painting in his school, in particular.)
>One of Nikaido's and Toyotomi's first few lines (if not the first) is "Kora kora kora!"
>both Nikaido and Toyotomi try to seduce one of the heroines most close to the protag due to ulterior motives

>>3568937
Remembered some more.
>Both Kojirou and Takuya complain about abstract art (Kojirou about the statue in the main street, and Takuya about the painting in his school, in particular.)
>One of Nikaido and Toyotomi's first few lines (if not the first) is "Kora kora kora!"
>both Nikaido and Toyotomi try to seduce one of the heroines most close to the protag due to ulterior motives

>>3566283
>>3566342
Remembered some more.
>Both Kojirou and Takuya complain about abstract art (Kojirou about the statue in the main street, and Takuya about the painting in his school, in particular.)
>One of Nikaido and Toyotomi's first few lines (if not the first) is "Kora kora kora!"
>both Nikaido and Toyotomi try to seduce one of the heroines most close to the protag due to ulterior motives

>>3567501
>are you friend or foe
>hurr durr im a human being like you
How the fuck is that an answer to that question

>>3550632
Can I get a download link or something like that? Also what's the best version to play in english?

>>3569183
You can either play it online with options to use the pc-98 ost, cgs and other shit like that or download the original windows port of it.

Online version is at http://tss.asenheim.org/eve-burst-error.html

The Windows port's dl links can be found with a simple google search.

>>3569183
http://nicoblog.org/pc-games/eve-burst-error/

>>3569224
>>3569317

thanks, I just downloaded it from there though I guess I'll play the asenheim one as it has pixelated graphics and a better fm synth

>>3568959
>How the fuck is that an answer to that question
Honestly, in this situation I think it's meant to be sarcastic/dickish, like answering "What did you eat this morning" with "Food" - he's currently slaughtering a bunch of enemy knights dispatched to kill them, being asked that question under those circumstances is kinda dumb. Well, outside of the fact that he was kidnapping her

>YU-NO remake got delayed to 2017
http://yu-no.jp/news/
Is this vaporware now or what?

I absolutely adore the visuals of games like this and the thriller atmosphere that some of them have, but I just cannot play them.

I just find them so difficult, either they're games riddled with bad endings, which is ok but not my cup of tea; or they require to be at a very specific place at a very specific time in order to progress.

I forget the title but I played a game like this where you transfer to a school under the guise of a student but you're really a spy for the headmaster because weird shit is going on. I ended up playing that one with a walkthrough but the atmosphere in that game was top notch, that perfect blend of borderline bad writing and over-the-top drama.

>>3571198
I have news for you, anon. 2 of the characters from the game you played (Love Potion) appear in this one.

For anyone who's beat this game and still remembers the plot.
What did you think of the "Mayako is a clone and also Terror" twist? Personally, I think it wasn't properly foreshadowed, Yeah, the name of the project and her codename were namedropped when Kojirou was searching through Midou's files at the embassy but I don't think that was enough. Maybe it was done this way so the player would have to think really hard to get the questionnaire at the end right, but I digress

>>3571241
I think he might have meant Divi-Dead.

>>3571816
I took fucking forever to do the questionnaire correctly because I was under the impression each entry had to be different, argh.

>>3571887
Pretty sure I picked all Patricia first, then all Mayako first, then ruled every murder as a suicide because of that one CG where Mayako sees Amanda killing herself. Guess it took me a bit to realize Pat killed Ko.

>>3571887
Pretty sure I picked all Patricia first, then all Mayako, then ruled every murder as a suicide because of that one CG where Mayako sees Amanda killing herself. Guess it took me a bit to realize Pat killed Ko.

>>3571816
There was also the insulin, but they made a big deal about it being "just" insulin, which is kind of bullshit.

>>3573904
I can only assume that they meant it to be a slap in the face of Marina and the Player. Still, what magical property does insulin have that it helps the brain maintain stability after someone else's consciousness is embedded into it?

How does this make you feel?

>>3574330
Moe was a mistake.

Natasha trapping Kojiro in her boobs tho

>>3574472
Yeah. Too bad the game took the original formula and turned it into barely interactive VN with choices that don't mean anything. The PSP game even tells you when to switch between protags

>>3576039
>turned it into barely interactive VN with choices that don't mean anything
So, what's the odds this is gonna happen to Yu-No remake?

>>3574330
Looks like shit

>>3576295
They showed footage of it on the latest stream and it still looks pretty much the same as the original, except you can now see and cycle through all the clickable objects.

Anyone have a download for the 2003 remake of EBS named ”EVE"? From what I can tell, they included the original game on the same disk, so I wanna see if we can make it into its own thing and even modify it..

>>3579128
Found a DL and it appears to be the original game.
Will upload soon so someone else can take a look at the files and see if a translation mod is possible.

>>3580531
In the mean time, I wrote a QuickBMS script that extracts all the files from the game's pkd files (except for efc.pkd which seems to use the same format as Windows Desire's archives for some reason).
The port uses pure .bmps for the graphics and a format that's got an .scr extension for the script files.
Here's the script: http://pastebin.com/04vcE4Mw

>>3579128
>>3580531
>>3580614
OH FUG

I'm still holding out playing this game because I really want to play the PC-98 graphics and asenheim seems really sloppy

Godspeed my ninja

>>3580656
Upload's at 91%, so hang on tight, anon.

By the way, you have to appreciate the lengths the devs went to conserve space for the graphics. All the CG variations only have the pixels unique to the variation, instead of the whole image, and in some cases the variation doesn't even have the original palette written to it and gets it from the base CG instead.

>>3580720
IT'S UP
https://mega.nz/#!lY1TAZib!f-AOeasWlpLDgFtWuLP3_kzMFyT1N4f2Jm0zdZH4zIQ
https://mega.nz/#!lY1TAZib!f-AOeasWlpLDgFtWuLP3_kzMFyT1N4f2Jm0zdZH4zIQ
https://mega.nz/#!lY1TAZib!f-AOeasWlpLDgFtWuLP3_kzMFyT1N4f2Jm0zdZH4zIQ

Would appreciate it if someone found a way to unpack the script files (they seem to be compressed or encrypted in some way)

>>3580729
Thanks for nothing, Photoshop

>>3580729
>>3580737
By the way, don't forget to mouse over the first menu bar option, and uncheck the first item for windowed mode.

>>3580614
>>3580729
What is even this pkd format?
Only thing google tells me is it's "Amiga PackDev Disk Archive" and the only archiver software that google is telling me that opens it is something for Mac OS called "The Unarchiver"

>>3580919
All companies use their own formats for some files, mostly containers as is the case here.

>>3580729
You can try your luck at the translations thread >>3537758

It's mostly just shitposting, but there's a couple of romhackers every blue moon
Who knows if it'll help

Anyone know how the Saturn port of this compares to the original?

>>3580952
Pretty much the same as the officially translated Windows port but with different UI and slightly different-sounding music.

>>3580957
Also, the OP of the Windows port and the one of the Saturn port differ in music and some graphics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3M9f1BQ0Wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ssGi8dWTw
I prefer the Windows OP's music, perosnally

>>3574330
How many remakes does this game have god fucking damn

>>3580979
There's:
>The original PC-98 game
>The remastered Saturn/Windows port with more colorful art by the original artist
>The 2003 PC remake with porn, but a completely different artist.
>A SFW PS2 port of the above 2003 remake, which is also the one you posted
>The 2010 remake called Burst Error: Eve the 1st that rewrites parts of the story, streamlines the game to the point where you can literally just fast forward through the whole thing, only stopping at choices, points where you switch to the other protag and the hacking scene.

And finally EVE Burst Error R, which brought the original artist back, and has some minor quality of life improvements and other sorts of neat shit, like adding smoke effects to sprites with cigars, making Siria's boobs jiggle when you bump into her, and such and such. R is also gonna have its own Adult version, aptly called EVE Burst Error A, coming out in about a month from now.

>>3580990
and before I get asked about the boob jiggle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk2Ukf4WT4M&t=47m7s

>>3580998
You are truly a great man
Seven blessings upon you my friend

>>3580990
>The remastered Saturn/Windows port with more colorful art by the original artist
>More colorful
How can it be more colorful when it actually loses lots of colors and gradients present in the original?

>>3581026
More than 16 colors.

>>3581029
At the SAME TIME on screen.
But I'll bet you anything in most scenes the pc-98 version has more colors on screen at the same time than the windows version.

Photoshop has a color counter, try using that. Also, while the CGs may look more colorful, the backgrounds look like poop on PC-98 because of poor color management on C's Ware's part.

Semi-related because it's ELF I guess... which EVE isn't from but it's tangentially related.

Apparently someone is auctioning off the unreleased Dragon Knight arcade quiz game.
http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e198551874

Of course the price is pretty nuts by now so I hope whoever wins dumps it instead of keeping it in his collection lost forever.

SAY MY NAME

>>3580729
Something's fishy about the .scr files.
There are a lot of 0x02 bytes followed by different bytes like this:
02 20 02 41 02 46 02 22 02 24 02 5C 02 3E 02 66 02 48
I'm pretty sure there must be some sort of easy encryption there.
Hiragana starts with 0x82 bytes in shift-jis so I'm guessing some xoring or something like that is going on there, will probably try debugging the game one of these days and see what I can come up with.

>>3581425
edit: It seems to be a simple addition of 0x80 to all bytes

>>3581437
Thanks, I think I'll try editing one of the text files and repacking it to the pkd.

>>3581425
By the way, do you think you could take a look at the encryption the English script files use?
https://dropfile.to/2WrGQde

>>3581674
SHIT NEVERMIND
It's XORed by 0xFF

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>3581773
OH FUG

>>3581773
>>3581782
So my process for modifying the files goes something like this now:
>Extract .pkd
>Open script file in hex editor
>xor by 0x80
>save
>open in notepad++
>replace Japanese text with text from English text file (which I have to xor by 0xFF first)
>save it
>manually inject the edited file back into the .pkd because quickbms's reimporter is being a piece of shit
We should probably create a repacker to streamline this process. Thankfully, the .pkd format is stupidly simple to it shouldn't be too hard.

>>3581797
Forgot
>xor the edited file again by 0x80

>>3581797
Your best bet at this point is try to recruit some fags in the romhacking forums or maybe even get tlwiki involved.
Supposidely asenheim shares all their files and tools if you ask, so maybe they have something handy from their version of eve, like all the english dialogue in json files or something, since they work with javascript

>>3581674
>>3581721

Are those the english script files from what version of the game?
I'd like a download to that version to look for some shit.
(MAY BE, EVENTUALLY find a way to add voice acting to this version with the pc-98 graphics. It might be a bit over my skillset though).

>>3581797
I figured it was probably the same as xoring but my binary arithmetics are lacking.

>>3581920
Windows version released by Himeya back in the early 2000s
It should be up on most of the regular sites, even eroge download.

>>3581926
I found that but everyything was in .DAT files inside the isos which at first glance didn't seem easy to extract but may be I'm just being retarded here.
I'm sorry for the noob questions, I've never romhacked but done a bit of RE.

>>3581926
>>3581930

Basically the question is:
How did you extract them?

>>3581947
Used Susie and a plugin pack I downloaded through emule

>>3581957
>Used Susie and a plugin pack I downloaded through emule

Could you upload it?

>>3581965
Not on my PC right now so it'll have to wait

>>3581978
ok, no problem with that.

>>3581993
>>3581965
I'm back
https://dropfile.to/0sDs3x1
https://www.digitalpad.co.jp/~takechin/archives/susie347b.lzh
Drop the spis in susie's root and just open the arc with it afterwards

>>3582265
thanks a lot, will do!

Cool, didn't know there was a thread for this.

>>3550632

I've seen the endings of Lost One and Fatal Attraction on YT, and can easily say no. There's a reason they keep going back to the original.

>>3552463

She discovered Mido shortly after he was killed by Mayako.

>>3555268

It's amazing. The payoff is finally going to be done properly once A hits.

>>3583254
>There's a reason they keep going back to the original.
Do they reveal that the characters come from the Planet Zeist in the future?

>>3583254
It's kind of amazing how we're finally getting an EVE remake with both the original artstyle and porn. By the way, do you know if R adds anything more than new CGs to the game? I've seen the one where Yayoi reacts to Mayako announcing her and Kojirou's marriage and it's fucking priceless.

>>3583575

It adds the gameplay enhancements from the PS2 remake like the Quick Change feature and a few new ones to the map and save/load functions.

Regarding Yayoi, the moment when she walks in on the end of Kojirou and Siria's fling is truly priceless. There's a subtle gag that Kanno does which only works within the porn context.

>>3583617
Does it have to do with eating? Siria is giving Kojirou a BJ when Yayoi catches them, right?

>>3583254
>Lost One
What's up with that one's music, anyway? Most of the tracks sound like they belong in an arcade game, rather than a VN.

>>3579128
This?

>>3584165
I already have it now, but thanks.
What's that official patch folder anyway?.

>>3584171

>>3584176
Does it fix anything with the original game or etsuraku?

>>3584180
As you can read, __.

>>3584190
Can't read Japanese, sorry.

>>3584192
Nah, just the remake itself.

>>3584203
I see, you can upload the update if you want, and thanks.

>>3584205
http://mysharegadget.com/350524271

I wish Kazumi was in a better game

>>3584676
I don't see why
Her personality and her design are pretty run of the mill
Not only that she has a horse face in the PC98 version

Desire is quite a silly game, the true ending though was the only pleasant surprise about it. In hindsight the twist seems pretty obvious but somehow it completely flew under my radar.

>>3584706
I like her Saturn design and the way Nao Tajima draws his girls.

Funny you should mention the true ending, though. It was only added in the PC port and I'm willing to bet Kanno had no involvement with it.

>>3584713
Well I'm not referring to the true True ending where the protag goes back or something, that shit made no fucking sense, I'm not even sure what the fuck happened nor did I care to dig too deep into it, just the reveal that Martina was Tina all along.

>>3584742
I think realized it as soon as they had Martina's VA say the opening lines. Speaking of which, I know it's probably pointless to question this shit, but why did Martina not try to prevent shit like terrorists stealing a critical component of the reactor? She has seen this shit play out a thousand times so you'd think that she'd know how to prevent most if not all of it.

>>3584742
>I'm not even sure what the fuck happened nor did I care to dig too deep into it,
I guess a simple explanation is that it's the conclusion to Al and Makoto's stories and "desires". Namely, to find Tina and reverse engineer the reactor and finish Martina's work respectively. By the way, what do you think of the true ending more or less implying that Kyle is Makoto's son?

>>3584751
If I were to come up with an excuse I'd say that probably because if she let's it play out the same way, she knows what's going to happen and is able to manage it accordingly. If she starts moving variables around who knows what's going to happen with the butterfly effect.

Although I wouldn't read too much into it, the story and characters motivations seems kinda sloppy.

>>3584758
>By the way, what do you think of the true ending more or less implying that Kyle is Makoto's son?

Wait what, I thought it was just showing he got her pregnant and she had a son, that straightforward

>>3584776
>Wait what, I thought it was just showing he got her pregnant and she had a son, that straightforward
Maybe I misinterpreted it, but since Al was going back in space time and with Martina devolving into Tina, I figured Kyle devolving into a kid while Makoto stayed the same meant she had him in a different universe/time line and through various shenanigans they ended up meeting in the one the game takes place in.

>>3584789
I think you're overthinking it my ninja

>>3583624

It's the moment when Yayoi drops the plastic bag. The leek is a visual metaphor for Kojiroh's dick.

>>3584792
I guess you could say it "went down"

>>3584134

Umemoto didn't work on it and C's Ware wanted to shit out a sequel asap.

>>3584713

I wish Tajima could go back to his old artstyle. His current take on the EVE girls looks awful.

>>3585005
I like his new style, actually. It really clashes with the old one, though.

>>3585613
For example

>>3586124

That example actually shows why I'm at odds with the new style. The faces tend to look derpy.

Pic related is one that I really liked though. It looks closer to the original but gives off the modern vibe also.

What's this game, and why should I play it?

>>3586782
Good mystery, great characters, interesting mechanic that lets you switch between protag at pretty much any point in the story and amazing soundtrack.

I'm gonna miss conversation of retro porn games when 4chins dies

I want to fuck Chinese Dress Marina

>>3587435
Katsuragi plz

>>3587435
>windows
Delete this

>>3587448
Marina's face looks goofy as fuck in the PC-98 sprite, honestly.

>>3587451
Elf was always a mixed bag
Some look great, some look rushed as fuck

Desire was the worst offender, half of the art looks like ass

>>3587468
You mean C's Ware, right? Elf's art was fucking great, probably because they were a bigger company with more cash and talent.

>>3587472
Yes C's Ware
Mixed it up with Yu-No's

>>3587473
Since we're on the subject, I find it kinda interesting how Elf and C's Ware handled YU-NO and EVE, respectively. Both games were huge successes but YU-NO only really got a Saturn port and a couple of novel, manga and hentai OVA adaptations. EVE on the other hand got whored out every step of the way, with several remakes and cashgrab sequels to its name.

>>3587475
I mean, maybe not in numbers for Yu-No, but the OVA was already a huge whore out

If the game wasn't a silly eroge to begin with it would probably be the subject of a huge fan outcry

>>3587480
Yeah, the OVA was pretty bad, but it was just one adaptation. EVE has about 4 sequels (5 if you count Adam and Fatal Attraction separately) and 3 remakes

>>3587475
How far was it between Yu-No's release and their descent into NTR Nukige?

>>3587492
YU-NO came out in 1996
Cuckyuusei 2 came out in 2004

>>3587468
Yeah, its artist really doesn't seem to know how to draw good looking adult women. Funny thing is that someone defended this over Nao Tajima's version in an older thread

>>3587494
When did the creator/musician pass away then?

Then again, I suppose if they really wanted to they could have milked the hell out of Yu-No without the original creators, but I'm thinking maybe ELF existing as a company meant no one else could touch it (IIRC C Ware died pretty fast and the license for Eve just kept passing around)

>>3587509
Pretty sure both Kanno and Umemoto died in 2011.
Also, most of the sequels and the first remake were made while C's Ware was still active.

>>3587502
She looks okay in some scenes though, when she's at the beach or in the plane.

The problem really is the lack of consistency

I get the feeling the few good art the game has is some artist just saying fuck it to the concept art

>>3587528
Pretty sure the game only had one artist but I may be wrong. Also, Kazumi has still got the horseface even on the plane.

>>3587536
I was thinking of this shot, but I guess it's because her face is obscured really

>>3587542
>those shoulders on Al
Jesus christ on a pogo stick that looks bad.

>>3587543
Now you ruined it, didn't even noticed he had Kyle tier shoulders

The art is really bad all around, this shot is probably the only good one, and I have it saved in my pixel art folder

And it's only good because she looks absolutely nothing like the rest of the portraits in the game

>>3587547
Sylvia actually looks pretty alright in some of the H-CGs now that I think about it.

>>3587551
And since we're on the subject of the artist, his work on Love Potion is pretty decent, at least as far as the students are concerned.

>>3587551
The H stuff it's actually pretty good now that I'm taking a second look at it, it's just everything else. I mean just look at this fucking mess

Really shines a light where the artist's priorities were

>>3587554
Ouch, that looks even worse than the quality hip anatomy in that one YU-NO CG.

>>3587553
I'm guessing Desire was on a real tight schedule, at least for the artist

>>3587560
It is known that like various technical restrictions the pc-98 has, like 16 max colors, it was also technically incapable of handling foreshortening hips

>>3587561
Honestly, the whole thing seems to have been a mess, since even the plot's quality is pretty mediocre.

By the way, thoughts on Nao Tajima's efforts for the Saturn port/remake?

>>3587563
I can't even picture what's going on there, and aside from the hips, Reiko's shoulders look pretty fucked too.

>>3587554
>Really shines a light where the artist's priorities were
I usually find it to be the opposite for PC-98 games so this is kind of amusing

>>3587568
>thoughts on Nao Tajima's efforts for the Saturn port/remake?
I mean it's okay. It doesn't look bad, it doesn't look amazing either. Did a pretty competent job but nothing that particularly shines through. His style also doesn't stand out that much when compared to his peers at the time. I kept wondering if he was the same Artist that worked on NGE, Sylvia really reminded me of Rei. He has pretty good linework, but the color treatment and shading is pretty much the same any animation cell receives, and considering these are just a bunch of static images it deserves way more detail to look impressive.

Although It would probably look amazing if they took those drawings as a base and apply the PC-98 dithering treatment.

What I mostly like about these games is the pixel art, so I have a huge bias going in. I hardly even played any VNs other than these old PC-98 ports, so I'm not really a fan of this art style unless it's animated.

One thing I find a little bizarre is those squiggly lines he adds to the Doctor and Kyle's jaw in the Portraits.

>>3587580
> He has pretty good linework, but the color treatment and shading is pretty much the same any animation cell receives, and considering these are just a bunch of static images it deserves way more detail to look impressive
Shading has never really being his strong point. His digitally colored stuff looks particularly amateurish. His work on EVE R is pretty pleasant to look at, though.
>One thing I find a little bizarre is those squiggly lines he adds to the Doctor and Kyle's jaw in the Portraits.
Guess he thought it made them look more gruff?

>>3587596
Yeah that particular type of shading is often referred as "pillow shading" and it's often attributed to amateurs.
I guess the guy just did lines but was shoehorned into color treatment as well.

There are lot's of artists that only do linework exclusively and can't really handle color. I don't particularly like coloring myself and prefer sticking to linework and some simple monochrome shading.

>>3587580
>I hardly even played any VNs other than these old PC-98 ports
So you gonna play Xenon and tell us how it's like next?

Wish I could find a download for the Windows version

>>3587613
Nah I can't into moonrunes so my choices are severely limited
It's probably better this way since otherwise I wouldn't even know where to start

I really want to play Dead of The Brain tho

>>3587607
That's all pretty interesting to know.
I'm guessing for PC-98 Eve they had him do the linework and had someone else come in and color it.

Still, like I said earlier his shading and coloring really have improved in recent years. His artstyle's pretty different now too.

Going through EVE's and YU-NO's BGs, I noticed that EVE's backgrounds use solid black outlines for objects that don't need them, whereas YU-NO's either use them really sparingly or don't use them at all in some cases.

Really makes a difference, in my opinion.

>>3587693
Image didn't attach for some reaosn

https://a.uguu.se/E0Ksy0b6Mem1_210EmpressI.mp3

This is my favorite song.

>>3587475

Kanno actually became president of Elf during Yu-No's tenure, so he was able to control its distribution. C's, on the other hand, was starving for hits so they milked Eve for all they could.

>>3587617

Marina looks better here than she did in the previous cover, but her right arm looks awkward all bent in like that. I think Tajima was trying to go for an outstretched look like in OP's post but didn't quite nail it.

>>3588268
I know he was president of his own company but elf itself? Didn't know that. Source?

>>3587616
Played DotB2 from start to finish without knowing moonrunes, just so that I could listen to the music and watch the visuals.

I hope Eve: Burst Error A gets uploaded fast.

Anon hacking Windows Eve, any progress?

So what other good old timey VNs are available in English that aren't Kanno's?

>>3588940
>in English

>>3588914
Managed to import a majority if the script into the game, but for some reason the game doesn't read the line breaks in it, even though they also exist in the original script.

>>3588836
Who are you desperately wanting to see penetrated.

>>3588914 #
Managed to import a majority of the first scene into the game, but for some reason the game doesn't read the line breaks in it, even though they also exist in the original script.

>>3588969
Not him but
Siria and Kyouko

>>3588971
Is it possible that it uses a special character for linebreaks?

>>3588975
I'll check that later. Playing YU-NO on NP21 right now and it's kinda amazing how different it can be to the PC port.

>>3589108
Gif of the same scene recorded from the PC port by a different anon

>>3588971
Alright good to know it's still going
I'd want to help but I'm clueless about that shit
Keep us posted

Anyone here actually played and finished Desire or Xenon? I'm interested in how they compare to YU-NO.

>>3589532
I played Desire and it's not that good compared to Yu-No.
It touches on a lot of themes that Yu-No does as well, so I figure Kanno's main inspiration for Yu-No was taking what Desire was trying to accomplish but do it right this time.

To put it bluntly Yu-No is like an Adventure game that was forced to add sex scenes, but Desire just feels like a straight up porn game that was sprinkled with some loose story to connect all the sex scenes together, specially in Makoto's route. Which is not to say there's nothing salvageable about the story, but it's very sloppily told. The story starts off pretty slow as well, it takes a while before something remotely interesting happens.

The music is pretty good, as it's the same composers, Ryu Umemoto and Ryu Takami. Some tracks like Reflector ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4A1Y_Cdwog ) are amazing but overall I'd say that Yu-No's soundtrack is still quite better.

As discussed in this thread, the visual art in the PC-98 version is very inconsistent, ranging from okay to terrible most of the times, with the most good CGs being during sexy scenes or scenes leading up to it. Yu-No has some bad apples in some CGs for sure, but overall the art is way way better in all aspects, from character art to backgrounds.

Overall, the whole game feels rushed. Maybe I'm being too harsh since Yu-No established my baseline standards, but I'm not sure it's worth your time unless you're a Kanno fan and are just super curious.

>>3589532
>>3589735
This. Desire has a good setup but it all falls apart in the execution. Makoto's route should have been axed to make Martina's longer instead so all those plotholes and loose ends could have been addressed Eve's fucking excellent, though. Dunno about Xenon though, since I'm an EOP

>>3589735
>>3589824
Xenon's premise seems like the most interesting one, since it's pure science fiction and takes place on a space ship from what you can discern.

Getting Alien vibes from the opening music.

Speaking of Kanno games, has anyone played Mystereet?

>>3589532
Desire starts off OK-ish with Albert's route and then completely implodes with Makoto's which you're forced to play through to get the final path with the answers to all the mystery built up in Albert's path, but I can't say the payoff is that great... then again, Yu-No's payoff wasn't that great either IMO. Feels like the writer is much better at building mysteries and not the final reveal.

Seriously, Makoto's route, what the hell? It would have been a great opportunity for it to have been a "when you look from the perspective of this different character, you get new insights into the mystery" thing going on, but instead it's just a terrible NTR story that I suppose has some effect on Albert's route but probably not in a positive manner and it mostly just made me hate her a lot.

In hindsight, hilarious foreshadowing into the future of ELF though.

Also, you're not required to do Albert -> Makoto in that order specifically, and I'm just wondering how many people played Makoto first and were like "what the hell is this shit"

>>3589532
Xenon's really short and there's no point click adventuring just a bunch of choices.

Story was interesting though.

>>3590242
How would you rank it in relation to Desire, EVE and YU-NO?
Also, dat captcha.

For anyone who's interested, 100% Completed HDI of YU-NO for use in emus or possibly real PC-98 hardware: https://dropfile.to/dHuLCY1

>>3590894
Thanks I lost my windows save and wanted to check some CGs
>File will expire in 23 hours
What kind of retarded site is that

>>3590950
Shit, didn't notice that. Lemme upload to mega.

>>3590952
MEGA also clears files after a few months of inactivity
If you want to go the long run I'd recommend mediafire, I still have files there that I uploaded in 2010

>>3590894
Ah shit, I don't know moonrunes but I clicked on every menu item (including deleting the saves lol)
Does the PC-98 version does not have the CGs like the windows version has?

>>3590894
Ah shit, I don't know moonrunes but I clicked on every menu item (including deleting the saves lel)

Does the PC-98 version does not have the CGs like the windows version has?

>>3590952
Okay, have my Windows save which is also 100% complete and the HDI.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zctoomcumn4ccm8/YUNO100save.zip (Just drag and drop the files to the "YUNO" folder)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/384yf9ypq0d54qq/YU-NO_100_Percent_Complete.HDI


>>3590979
>Does the PC-98 version not have the same CGs the windows version has?
The vanilla Windows version has the exact same CGs as the PC-98 version, though some are censored for some stupid reason. The translation decensors all of the aforementioned CGs, and even adds some CGs from the Saturn port.

By the way, the CG viewer is only in the SP disk which is completely separate from the actual game on PC-98.

>>3590991
Thanks papa-san, you're a nice dude

>>3590997
You mean "oyaji yarou", right?

>>3591003

>>3591005
Look, dad! I found Keiko and I'm fucking her right now!

>>3588268
>>3588284
>剣乃ゆきひろ(菅野ひろゆき)という人物は、蛭田昌人の後継者候補としてエルフに入ってきた。取締役に就任。

More like company director delegated by shareholders (Hiruta Masato). The rest of the text reveals why Kanno left.

>>3591034
Also source.
http://inanna.sakura.ne.jp/hirutamasato.html

>>3591047
Are those RPG Maker games?

>>3591050
Those games in ads? Seems so.

>>3591058
And elf made those? Wow.

>>3591064
No. Those are just some ads on that site. The text matters.

>>3591073
I see.

>>3590242
How short is really short? Might be my first japanese vn. Have been reading dialogue heavy manga like 20th century boys at a decent speed recently so I want to know if it might be doable.

>>3591319
VNDB has it listed as 2-10 hours

>you'll never drink beer with Umemoto

>>3592784
I actually stumbled upon that thread once not sure how

I don't know why it feels so bizarre thinking that nerds like Umemoto could use forums like everyone else, we really tend to deify these figures as if they weren't real human beans like us

>>3593282
Yeah, still. It's no exaggeration that Umemoto and the people he worked with were amazing composers. By the way, does anyone know of any tools for .s98 trimming and general manipulation? I've got a loop finder but it's finicky as fuck to use.

>>3593398
Also, is there any way to log the PPZ instruments PMD driver songs have?

>tmw I realized Kojirou fucked Yayoi's half-sister
What's with this writer and keeping it in the family?

>install SP Disk to PC-98 YU-NO
>boot game
>SP Disk option isn't there
???

>>3593828
>install game from scratch
>install SP disk
>it shows up now
I guess whoever made the HDI was braindead
Will make my own HDI and upload soon, probably.

>>3593920
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5hcn290gj4kb5yg/YU-NO_100_Save_and_SP_Disk.HDI

>>3593942
Thanks. Will be useful.

>>3593920
>>3593942
While we're at it, do you have a recommendation for a specific new version of some PC98 emu to use for YU-NO?

Turns our there's quite a few being made and updated.

>>3594304
I use nekoproject 2 fmgen

I'm playing through Nocturnal Illusion in asenheim and the music is fucking painful to listen to

>>3596189
Why?

>>3596189
Are you playing with the PC-98 music?

>>3596735
I was but I switched to Renewal version, it doesn't bother me as much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjX1KXarqo4

I guess I'm spoiled by Umemoto

>>3596737
That sound way too busy

>>3596747
Thus my grievances

>>3596747
*sounds

Anyone planning to buy and upload Eve A when it comes out?

>>3598475
Also, anyone know why the ONPA version of EVE's OST doesn't use the SSG channels at all?

>>3598475
It's a big name enough that I don't think you have to worry about the "scene" not buying/ripping it unless you really can't wait to play it Day 1

>>3601476
PC R hasn't been uploaded yet, which is why I asked.

>download vita EBS R
>dig into files for a bit
>find sprites from a seemingly completely unrelated game

I say seemingly because the company that made this game has ties to elf apparently.
https://vndb.org/v15473
https://vndb.org/p4449
I guess El-dia, the company that made R, is just an imprint for Silky's plus or at the very least shares a lot of the same staff members.

>>3601628
Chinks have it in their pay-to-access stash.

>>3603458
If you're going to pay to pirate then why not just buy the game instead)

>needing a separate intro and loop version for each track when you could just use loop points
Was this their first vita game or something?

Also, a little gift for you.

The fact that Eriko only gives you a handjob is a crime against humanity.

>>3603748
You also fuck her thighs