/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[10-06] TNT:Evilution full run in Nightmare skill, by Zero-Master
https://youtu.be/Yg9yIsSj-yU

[10-05] Doom With Midi-Converted Sound Effects
https://youtu.be/rs8U9Ns32JY

[10-04] Romero plays his recent E1M8b [third repost]
https://vimeo.com/156288044

[10-04] No End In Sight -- Beta 3.0
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32830

[10-03] Doom: The Devil's Tattoo - author requests feedback >>3539350
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/91000-

[10-03] Space Pirate Mk2 Monday Punchday
https://youtu.be/jXpzFfSuhZ8

[10-03] Doom Horror Mods - 7 spooky wads for Hallowe'en
https://youtu.be/qyw9kuGoO9I

[10-01] Hard Doom update
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1382

[10-01] Spellcross - Custom Monster pack for OBLIGE released
https://www.mediafire.com/?alrdihaashx1f20

[10-01] Anon map release: GreenSwitch (V2, requires cc4-tex)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4mwJRa7e5VpMnVIRDctYWg2TTA/view

[10-01] Duke Dead Quick
https://youtu.be/DKAFWfXy5vU

[09-30] Hexen Souls update
http://hexen-souls.tumblr.com/post/151162674079

[09-30] Angst Rahz TC update
https://youtu.be/3qloLvJLRFs

[09-29] OBLIGE 7.50 released
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/90924-

[09-28] Trump Doom
https://mega.nz/#!8gxATDiY!Yr_PUwk1xCy1KYaehl6tRGfx0AFvzoE_T1--9o9RKxs

[09-25] Wolfenstein starter pack
http://pastebin.com/mRmhVWce
https://mega.nz/#!ikVlQBpQ!AtTZGvnFZgw_I96tsaOK-dbyLf6Usps1nVjLSdxUGz8

[09-25] Rekkr wants mappers, help out your local /vr/ian
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/90862-

[09-24] At Jazz's Gate
https://soundcloud.com/plastiware/at-jazzs-gate-doom-e1m1-jazz-remix

[09-23] Anon map release: Fanta Base (for vinesauce contest)
http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/q4ASm87y/file.html

[09-21] Final versions of Anon's DUMP 3 weapons
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ki532dzm1zoutml/Bio%20Eradicator.pk3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w9wueq78yvkhuso/Flakchette.pk3?dl=0

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>>3545241
Ring of Favour and Protection would be doable - Havels however, wont be. as I doubt I'll be adding equip load. I feel as if equip load wouldn't mesh well with Hexen.

>>3545251
I read that as "Ring of Flavor"

I like Doom
it am good gam

5th for nudoom is painfully average

Are there female demons?

>>3545262
Are there male demons?

>never played any doom game
>played brutal when it came out and found it boring as shit
>downloaded zdoom this morning after playing doomrl for months
>loving every second
holy fucking shit is this amazing and all the mods I cant stop playing its already the middle of the night aaaah

btw ultraviolence on first playthroughs yay or nay?

>>3545264
Everything by default is assumed male unless otherwise specified.

>>3545268
>ultraviolence on first playthroughs yay or nay?

For DOOM 1? Yeah. It's a cakewalk*.

*Ep. 4 need not apply.

save me

>>3545245
>YOUR NAME'S NOT DOOM, YOU'RE NOT COMING IN

Lucky for you, my name IS Doom. Victor von Doom. Now that the introductory pleasantries have concluded, I'd like to establish one thing clearly: This thread belong to DOOM. Fall at my feet on your own free will, or be forced to your knees through mine.

>>3545275
wad?

>>3545280
oh fuck off mr. "screw up every single result when I search for 'doom' on google"

>>3545294
it looks like the last map of sf2012

>>3545307
Doom can't help it if his glory spreads into the farthest corners of the technological wonder CERN bestowed upon the world. Doom only regrets that it wasn't his hand that created it, but he is pleased to know that it wasn't that irritating third-rate-scientist Reed Richards.
Also, to you it is Doctor Doom. I didn't study at the most renowned sites of knowledge around the globe just so no-one would acknowledge my achievements.

I made it, but god damn that took a few tries and some luck.
It's stardate 20x6 btw, MAP06

>>3545323
oh right thanks. i should have got that, but didn't see any purple
>>3545316
there you go, no wonder - same author

>>3545321
oh well la dee da mr fake fictional doctor guy

>>3545329
>la dee da
I believe you wanted to say Latveria, the jewel of the Balkans, of which Doom is king. What a pathetic attempt. Of course, the intricacies of the native pronunciation are lost upon the uncultured ear of the average American, but this is just insulting. I am owed penance for this indulgence.

Searching for this yellow key better be worth it too

>>3545343
Impostor! You dare deface the visage of Doom? I will make short work of you. An example shall be made as a reminder not to impersonate my magnificence.

Fuck you.

Fuck. I need a break. Time well spent.

>>3545352
>Vehelits
Is that an actual thing or is that map just named after the carnival ride dragon thingy from Streets of Rage 2?

Rings are now obtainable and equippable. Rings so far are Cloranthy, Darkwood Grain and Favor & Protection. I realised I've hit a bit of a wall because the ring effects are actually just one item - the quantity defines the effect, 1 ring_effect for Cloranthy, 2 for Darkwood Grain etc. etc. Now I've just come to realise that SBARINFO doesn't have an "exact" parameter, so if I had the Favour and Protection ring equipped it would draw all icon effects before it, so there would be a yellow arrow, and the green arrows together (which is strange)

what I need is separate dummy inventory items for each effect (which is stupid because now i'm gonna need another item for each ring...) so SBARINFO only draws one icon at a time.

>>3545360
>Darkwood Grain
Do you actually cartwheel around or is it just a "+5 to dodging" ring?

>>3545389
It increases your i-frames and decreases the amount of time before you start regenerating stamina after performing s dodge. Actual cartwheels would be nauseating as hell

>>3545360
InInventory RingEffect, 2
{
InInventory Not RingEffect, 3
{
Darkwood Grain stuff;
}
}

?

>>3545360
>rofap
oh joy looking forward to it permanently occupying 1/2 ring slots on every single playthrough

>>3545360
What is this mod supposed to be?

>>3545419
Someone some time jokingly pointed out dark souls ripped off hexen

Now some absolute madman is making hexen souls because hey, beats another 2D souls demake, right

>>3545419
Dark souls Hexen mod.

>>3545438
>>3545435
I never played a souls game before. How's the gameplay gonna be like?

>>3545435
>another 2D souls demake
>another

You mean this is not only a thing, but there's lots of DS demakes?
What's the best one?

>>3545414
not true

bellowing dragoncrest and dusk crown ring is another possibility

>>3545441
Yes, there have been at least 5 in recent years

No idea which is the best cause I never played any of them

>>3545440
Souls games are known for spaghetti level (think symphony of the night but 3D) design and killing the player in a variety of amusing ways. So, something similar?

>>3545443
Fucking casters reeee

>>3545441
It's like Hideous Destructor with swords.

>>3545414
I may nerf the RoFAP, perhaps decrease the buff from 20% to 10% of something.

>>3545440
Non-linear dark fantasy with tough enemies and rewarding combat.

>>3545462
Or you can double the ring slots DS2 style, or remove FAP altogether

It is generally the best fucking ring, hence why it self destructs, so you are COMMITTED to wearing it

Realistically speaking, how would the military powers of the world actually fare against an invasion from DOOM's hell?

>>3545462
>>3545413
Anon? You don't need separate dummy items, just use Not.

>>3545474
Depends on the durability of the monsters. Is it like in the fame? Or real life?

>>3545479
>fame
I meant game

>>3545473
If their own personnel got possessed by demons a-la zombieman/shotgun guy, probably extremely badly

>>3545474
Oh right. Duh. It's been a long day and I've been working on this non stop for about 8 hours. I'm a little frazzled

>>3545473
Complete massacre in favor of humanity. Look at what Hideous Destructor has to do to the monsters to make them pose a threat against realistic firearms.

>>3545491
But I imagine they wouldn't have dooms simple AI but instead proper strategy and their numbers would be endless.

>>3545498

I imagine a shotgun one-shotting a cyberdemon, so.

>someone making a Dark Souls gameplay mod

>someone making a Dark Souls map mod

Summoners in D4D are the bane of my life.

Literally worse than Cyberdemons.

Maybe not as bad as Spoidah Masterminds.

>>3545546
Gauss or SSGs are your friend.

>>3545568
Scythe never gives me enough fucking plasma.

Why do the bullet drops only work for shotguns?
Actually, am I mistaken, and is it for the weapon you currently have out?

>>3545576
You are mistaken.

Also use a chainsaw to get more paslma to fire at them.

>>3545581
Speaking of the chainsaw, is anyone else bothered slightly that you can't just hold it out and have it stun mid-charge pinkies and lost souls?

Is there any need for something like this? I just made it to make creating shortcuts to all my doom wads easier. I'm thinking of expanding this into a whole portable-doom launcher with a batch-file interface to play a curated list of doom WADs.

>AAAAAAA
AAAAAAA A AAAAAAAAAAA AA AAAAAA A AAA AAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA AAA AAAAAAAA AAAAA
>AAA AAAAAA AA AAAAA

>>3545615
Added more engines and savegame relocation (to separate your saves from the engines and from each other).

I'm not sure if I should allow customisation of wad/ports path or just assume this is purely a launcher for a portable doom collection.

>>3545615
>>3545652
>usgae

So is the Epic2 menu skull a guy with a ballgag on or

>>3545546
I'm currently picturing how would have they gone about making the SM turn on its back as it fires at the player like it did in nudoom

also glory kills fucking when

>>3545692

>also glory kills fucking when

In D4D? Doesn't the FAQ say he doesn't want to do them?

>>3545701
it was actually namblaco's d4 mod, my b

still im itching to see that in action goddamn

Is the laser wall on MAP15 of Epic2 bugged in (G)ZDoom? It still kills me after I disable it, and without any mods running.

I'm really bad at finding secrets at Doom. It's not uncommon for me to go the whole level without finding a single secret.

Anybody have any tips? Patterns to watch for?

>>3545738
it really varies,but there's a few things that often stand out:
>light level (heretic's first map)
>wall texture (oddities or decorations)
>rails around a wall
>barrels
>sound clues
play trough doom's first episode of doom and try not only to find the secrets, but to find the clues that leads to them

>>3545738
the most obvious secrets are walls with an odd texture inbetween all the others.

also listen closely if you ever hear an elevator/door sound trigger without you having done anything.

shoot things that look suspicious, like unactivated switch textures that are unreachable by foot.

>>3545738
Different colors/textures or offset alignment of walls, or just looking at some spot and think to yourself "Would I put a secret here if I was making a level?"

Sometimes you might walk down a path and hear a door opening in the distance, maybe that's a secret door that's triggered by a linedef you passed, try going back and forth a little bit and see if you hear it open again, then try to move towards the direction of the noise and see if you can get there.

Many secrets in the original game are visible, but the entrance or path to them isn't outright obvious, you might have to go a long way around to get there.

>>3545615
>>3545652
what's with the bluescreen palette? it triggers me a bit

>>3545692
>first-person executions in the doom engine
sounds like a lot of effort for something that'd look terrible

>>3545779
Actually that's just that for some reason a COLOR command became permanent on my system. Here's a trigger-free update!

>>3545246
Hey wait, where are the other two news reposts?

Doom General loses it's charm when the infinite news presence doesn't exist anymore.

>>3545703
There's metadoom.

>>3545797

That doesn't have Glory Kills though, just a punch that makes enemies drop health.

>>3545784
D4D looks awkward enough as is

CLOP

Episode 1: Elbow Deep In The Pony

Difficulty: Night Mare

Speaking of D44M mods, when is Zion gonna update?
Last I heard was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlK67JnYUE

And it got me hyped, because the rips don't look as shitty anymore.

>>3545808
no

>>3545808
Janny!

>>3545792
I found the blue easier on my eyes

>>3545808
so you just gonna post the ants version or what

>>3545816
That's the resolution I rendered it at - which is fairly high for a doom sprite!

>>3545813
YES!

>>3545808
Please don't tell me this is gonna be another Regular Day.

Please no...

>>3545824
That's horrifying

>>3545824
>people jerk off to this

>>3545828
You should see the version with a dick.

I think I'll make it shoot jizz-rockets at you.

Cyberdemon replacement.

>>3545808
>>3545824
our resident barneyfan is going to freak

stop giving it attention you fucking ree-rees.

>>3545843
>says right after it's been deleted
good going

>>3545846
besides the point. you should'nt respond or acknowledge it at all. report and move on.

>mods delete doom-related content in doom thread

kek

>>3545809
We already got Doom 4 Doom so it doesn't really matter.

>>3545861
>plausible MSX-inspired mod with high res nudoom weapons
>'doesn't really matter'

>>3545859
>pony bullshit is doom-related

>>3545859
>Pony shit outside of /mlp/
According to rules that poster should be straight banned.

>>3545871
>highres
this looks just weird ingame
needs pixels

>>3545809
>because the rips don't look as shitty anymore.

Don't 'as' shitty.

But they're still shitty.

If people are going to use 3D models for weapon sprites, they should at least palette them or try to get them looking like they belong in doom.

Honestly though, manually drawn sprites are king. Just look at these.

>>3545898
man, D4D's final version rocket launcher lost a LOT of detail from this incarnation. the barrels on the chaingun are missing a lot of details from the nudoom version, and that SSG is, well, it's got two barrels. hope necronixis releases the new set for it sometime soon.

the gauss cannon, nudoom, doom 4 doom, I don't care where it's from, is my absolute definitive gunfu.

>>3545910
I like the heat wave modified plasma gun the most of the D44M weapons, with the gauss cannon coming in second.
I just love the meaty sound it makes when you shoot it.

>>3545898
well, to be perfectly fair, he did trace over the original weapons

still, got a point

>>3545915
That too. I'm so glad they nailed the feel of the plasma rifle in the mod.

>>3545898
That SSG is trash though.

Everything else is good.

>>3545898
>not centered
also, is it justme or is there really too little difference betweeen the shotgun(?), the sniper rifle and the other three tech rifles?

>Script error, ":actors/doomrl/powerups.txt" line 37:
>Unexpected '255' in definition of 'RLInvulnerabilitySpherePickupGiver2'

Did the latest DoomRPG update fuck up DoomRL Arsenal?

>>3545792
This is the sort of thing I'm going for. A simple batch-file menu-driven collection of WADs and stuff. Anybody interested in helping curate a list?

>>3545995

This would be awesome. What would you need?

Man, after that wave of barons, revenants and chaingunners the arachnotrons were a piece of cake. Same for the final revenant wave. I was worrkied about the archvile, but luckily it was so restricted it couldn't do anything.

>>3545513
truly we live in a golden age of doom

>>3546037
what's with those numbers. how much health is hyphen facepalm zero? how much armour is hyphen lambda zero?

>>3546042
it appears to be the japanese HUD font

>>3546042
They are Japanese numbers. The hyphen is a 1, dunno the rest. I need to brush up on my Japanese digits.

>>3546046
>>3546048
ooh, i see. so the wad is jpcp? or zdoom has a jp translation?

>>3546050
The HUD comes with the WAD, yes.

>>3546042
looks like 140 life, 180 armor

>>3546029
I'm going to build a few pages to work out a format to copy and put the code online. I imagine people can contribute directly via pull requests, but we could have a discussion on how to organise the collection, what needs to be there and how to present it to the user.

I'm aiming for a replacement for the DOOM starter pack currently here; it's good, but requires config & setup. I want to make something totally portable and pre-configured requiring nothing more than a double-click to run and play.

>>3546063
in that case I wouldn't use batch scripting, because mac and linux machines exist

>>3546069
They can load the WADs into their preferred launcher; this is going to include windows ports in the box. That said, with something in place I'm considering writing a DOS-like UI in QB64, which would work on Mac & Linux.

>>3546042
>hyphen facepalm zero?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaah

>>3545202
You fooled me, I thought it was gonna be a snow map before I scrolled down.

>>3546079
are you being sarcastic?

>remake of doom 2's maps using GZDoom that set all sector lights to be as dark as possible and relied on GZDoom's dynamic lighting
I forgot what this was called, can anyone remind me?

>>3546083
i did some searching and i think you might be thinking of HontE: Remastered

http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/downloads/honte-remastered-v-069c-beta

Any good suggestions for map packs or megawads for use with Demonsteele?

hello i made some changes to the samsaras today

i fixed the bug with weapon stay and (i think) with unique items deciding to not be a thing

i also fixed duke talking over himself in pistol start mode

what else should i try and fix while i'm braving this codebase

>>3546101
at the moment, it's possible for chexguy to die

you may want to fix that

>>3546092
Right, that's the one

Gave me a good spook.

Bolted to the exit console as soon as I saw the cages lowering.

Then suddenly massive slowdown to 1 FPS. I wonder why? And now I find out that there was some optional sections that I missed by going back to find the yellow keycard.

>>3546110
>Then suddenly massive slowdown to 1 FPS
did they all get crushed and spray blood everywhere?

>>3546101
fix the lack of Caleb !

note to moderators: this post is a joke.

>>3546101
Nerf Ronald

t-t-thanks...

>>3546118
That's make sense with Smooth Doom, but I have that option turned off unless it's the Super Shotgun doing it.

They also teleport away.

this map sucks

>>3546276
It's kind of an extended boss map really, but I still like it. Speed of Doom is pretty much my favourite megawad bar none to be desu. There's just something about the layouts and flow that resonates with me on a basic level. Kind of hard to explain

>>3545245
I don't understand this meme. Why is this guy guarding some bed room.

>>3546287
It's supposed to be a bouncer.

>>3545360
Hey man, are you possibly finnish? Thought because of your youtube name.
Maybe we can work together at some point :) I'd love to make a souls style esigned level for that style of gameplay.

>>3545307
At least it means that Bethesda didn't succeed in overwriting every google Doom reference with NuDoom.

>>3546101
Put the Descent games in there.

I dunno if this is considered a meme WAD or something, but is there anything else like it? I liked the variety

>>3546371
It's not a "meme" wad, it's just a "What if Doom was a Mario game" wad. There's a sequel to it being done by the same guy right now but progression is pretty slow. It's more like Super Mario World instead of Mario 64 as well.

Where do I get Blood 1?

>>3546378
gog.com

>>3546371
>meme wad

>>3546371
Hocus Pocus Doom.

>>3546371
>meme WAD

>>3546313
I could probably kick that guy's ass. But what business would anyone have in some bed room

>>3546371
It's quite a nice GZDoom mod for what it is, albeit let down by its shitty weapons.

>meme wad

>>3546378
Piratebay. Don't give them any money.

>>3546215
Wad?

>>3546417
he might have turned it into a roller disco

>>3546370
this would be hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9J0ppgbT4
Eccentricity of the creator aside, this looks like a really well thought out mod, for me it was worth watching the video for design study, as he goes quite in depth about what was changed and the reasoning behind some of these changes.

What are some hidden gem megawads?

>>3546370
>>3546475
sorely tempted, but doing it RIGHT would probably necessitate losing zandro 3 compat and that ain't happening

which sucks, because all the post-zandro3 toys i've been playing with in other mods has spoiled me :(

>>3546446
>he might have turned it into a roller disco
They don't do it anymore. Casualty of cool.

>>3546370
this is great

>>3546101
>samsaras
where can i get it?

what are some lesser known megawads

>>3546497
>>3546552
Your mom

>>3546559
fuckin gotem dude

>>3546093
Scythe 2.
Term did so much testing for Demonsteele with it it's pretty much THE Demonsteele mapset.

>>3546552
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/cyc-384

IMO, better than the C*1024 series.

>>3546586
>384x384

That's kind of an arbitrary size, isn't it? 512 would have been the next step. Then 256.

>>3546586
Okay, it seems that MAP09 has a glitch where the blue skullkey is straight up removed from its niche.

Poll with arbitrary answers apropos of nothing.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11382143

>>3546692
Indifferent, because I don't play multiplayer.

>>3546651
a classic symptom of computer nerds everywhere, assuming everything must be a power of two. http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14018 is effectively a "congestion 666" with a weird palette.

>>3546672
works for me, in doom2 complevel

demo: http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=sh25jd

>>3546706
Maybe it doesn't appear on some difficulty levels by accident?

>>3546692

Zandronum as a whole is pretty awful except for one single instance.
The port is lagging so far behind, almost all the good and cool mods aren't supported.
The community is a joke. Nothing more needs to be said. I'd rather go on DeviantArt than Zandronum.

The only thing it's good for is playing multiplayer with mates, by virtue of Z/GZDoom's multiplayer being fucking nonexistent now.

>>3546709
>except for one single instance
What instance is that?

>>3546713

Playing multiplayer with mates, as I said.
Start up a server, lock it off to the public, and have fun.

>>3546713
i assume it's the last paragraph of his post

>>3546692
>what do you think of zandro
Literally the only functioning multiplayer doom community has these days

Also kek'd at the unanimous results so far

>>3546692
Being a Zandronum 3.0 modder is a hell of a drug because you get to compare the mostly bro-tier devs with the positively autistic community. Even if it's sort of critically outdated compared to ZDoom, some of the features it adds are extremely neat from a netplay perspective outside of the fact that netplay works at all :^), and yet it feels like most of the interesting stuff added gets used for moronic shit like Bagel Horde and MM8BDM RP servers. That or the 50 Complex/Brutal servers running at any given time, I mean fuck, what do I have to do to play a round of AOW2 with more than the same three players?

Oh well, maybe I'll eventually manage to hit single digit players during peak hours when 3.0 stable is released in 2027, bringing several minutes of entertainment before the Brutal Doom + Complex/LCA compatibility patches hit.

>>3546706
you would've eaten so much shit had that chaingunguy not died in one trigger pull.

>>3546702
I'm just saying it makes the most sense if an idea is based off the1024x1024 concept.

>>3546692
zandronum is cool, if you don't go on the forums and play on private servers

>>3546707
seems to be correct

>>3546732
>>3546707
>>3546706

>>3546729
i think any multiple of 64 or 128 would work, due to those being the common texture sizes.

>>3546725
perhaps. i was a bit lucky getting the one-hit kill, although shooting while right up in his face helped of course.

but the shotgun reload animation isn't that much longer than chaingunner pain animation. he mightve got a few bullets off if he reacted quickly enough after flinching.

my experience suggests i would still have survived him with a decent likelihood had the first shot done insufficient damage, but, needs more research, clearly.

>>3546742
Testing it without Smooth Doom leads to the same. I have to noclip to see where it went.

>>3546742
>>3546746
haha wow. it's not a comp_floors bug, it works in boom complevel. i'll try zdoom 281

>>3545827
Monster Hunter Doom Ultimate when

>>3546757
okay it's fucked up in zdoom

>>3546763
>my planet needs me

>>3546417
>But what business would anyone have in some bed room

There's sex, then there's slumber parties, and there's also snuff filmmaking.

>>3546063
I've got a .rar here...

filedropper /showdownload.php/mgzd3

With all of the standard doom/doomlike iwads, gzdoom, and a few batch files for vanilla d4d and demonsteele, as well as scythe2 and maps of chaos variants. I set up some basic configs like no auto aim, mouselook on and such. They probably don't account for screen size and resolution, but keybinds and such have already been done.

It's also got the master levels in another zip but I ain't got one click batches for those.
I've tried my best to not overlap DS and D4D's keybinds too much, but in the instances that they do, it seems to work just fine anyway.

I made this for handing out to my buddies, though, so I don't know if this is what you're looking for.

>>3546724
>That or the 50 Complex/Brutal servers running at any given time
This. And none are populated.

>>3546101

Please make it so BJ's Spear of Destiny doesn't fizzle out after a set distance, it's an impossibly shit ultimate weapon when you can't control whether it will do anything good nor shoot from a safe distance.

>>3546692
Awesome port. Say what you will about it being light years behind ZDoom, but atleast the multiplayer works.
The community is the most cancerous and, for lack of a better word, toxic portion of the doom community. In Zandronum, everyone has either autism, a stick up their ass, or both. And there's more drama surrounding the regulars than a fucking mexican soap opera.

>>3546730
This guy knows what's up though. But if you don't have friends to play with, you're basically up shit creek without a paddle.

>>3546692
What brought on the question?

I love how everytime I come back there are newer and better options to play vanilla ass doom.

Doom Complete, Smooth Doom, and pk sfx being my new default zdl configuration.

https://a.pomf.cat/viocda.webm

>>3546832
wow, someone else who turns off player bobbing

>>3546839

It's not fully off, I think it's at .01 or something. Full head bob gives me a headache, but I still want a little bit of weapon sway.

>>3546832
still watching. it keeps pausing because pomf.cat can't serve fast enough.

shame you can't select individual master levels - i don't think they're meant to have an order.

>>3546839
>not loving the woobly

>>3546856
yeah it seems i subconsciously use the gun barrel sprite to aim, and having it wave around hurt my accuracy. so i turned off player bobbing.

also what is that wad?

>>3546852

The only real official order they were ever given were the console ports of the master levels which seems to group them by difficulty. There'll never be a good order to them other than difficulty since they were made standalone by a ton of people.

I guess you could always use console to skip around or just use run master levels as intended standalone and pick maps that way.

>>3546872
e1m4b one of romeros recent maps

>>3546882
oh, i'm embarrassed i haven't played it yet.

>>3546872
You could use the crosshair to completely get around that.

>>3546892
more like casualhair

>>3546892
i play the old way (no freelook, vertical mouse axis is movement, automatic aim at monsters at different heights) in a source port that doesn't have crosshairs.

>>3546832
>Smooth Doom
It's neat, but sadly it overrides lots of voxels from
hellspawn+voxelbro1.4.pk3.

>>3546917
use the weapons only version

>>3546896
>disables basic visual features because it makes the game hard for him
>not just keeping them an having an unobtrusive dot at the center of the screen for point-shooting

>>3546832

The GZDoom Wolf3d Total Conversion is also pretty great. Spot on from what I can tell.

https://u.pomf.is/uyaeqc.webm

>>3546915
Fair enough.

Which one of these ports supports turning off weapon bobbing and view bobbing in that case?

>>3546925
>>disables basic visual features because it makes the game hard for him
that's the pettiest shit I've read today.

>>3546930
As opposed to "casualhair" ?

>>3546929

ZDoom and GZDoom

console -> movebob 0 (or .01 to make it incredibly reduced)

>>3546932
it's nearing it, but at least that makes sense to a far extent.

>>3546936
ZDoom and GZDoom have crosshairs though, comes with a bunch of basic ones.

I like the dot one the best because it doesn't block my view and helps for longer distance shooting (for closer distances it's not as important)

In mods that have multiple playable characters, is it possible for people to have different characters in multiplayer?

>>3546929
boom introduced a player_bobbing option which could be turned off. pr+ has crosshairs now i believe, but i preferred to keep my existing choices, rather than switch to using them. i use crosshairs with freelook on the very rare occasions i try zdoom gameplay mods, but crosshair without freelook feels wrong to me.

>>3546923
Where would I get that from?

>>3546948
You don't really need crosshairs in Doom though unless it's a gameplay mod that fuddles with the gun models. All of them are pretty easy to aim already.

That's why people call it casualhair.

I need help finding a WAD.

>Cyberpunk
>Bright visuals
>Upbeat music (optional)
>Good architecture

Long story short, I want to make my own WAD with these elements but I want to know what exists out there first. Googling doesn't do jack shit for finding WADs, and the ol' Doomworld or IDgames archives are failing me.

I've played some Skillsaw stuff, and it's close to what I want, just not quite there.

>>3546951
i know, see my original post >>3546872 . i feel like we're going round in circles.

>>3546947

Yes.

>>3546951
>That's why people call it casualhair.
But it's only you who say that.

>>3546971
it's not like he doesn't have a valid point, you know

>>3545995
Here's a mock up of a portable doom launcher and WAD compilation in QB64. This'll be more work than just using batch files, but will allow me to make this more of a "disk mag" type of presentation.

How do you feel about putting ridiculous easter eggs in your wad no one but people who or who look in the editor will find? There's a legit way to get it too but it's real obscure.

>>3546995
I can see why you feel your own point is valid.

>>3547035
>oh no they're agreeing with each other
>t-this must mean they're the same poster!
okay.

>>3547031
i know of several, and i enjoy finding them. when i do, i wonder if there is anyone else who knows about them. for example, did you know there is a picture of Helen Hunt in Cyberdreams?

>>3547027
a "huge dump" of "buttock-clenching" action? do you have some kind of arse fixation?

>>3547060
It's called PortaDOOM. The icon will be a portable loo with the doom logo on it or something.

>>3547031

I love it and I love doing it.

I've started with Doom Builder some hours ago, how hard would be to add an "experience points" value to the HUD that add's up everytime I kill an enemy ?

>>3546071
Please just scrap the whole QB64/BAT thing. They're terrible to work in and better alternatives exist. Please consider Perl or Python, for instance -- both are portable, easy to work in, and both have easy ways to make decisions based on the detected OS. You're also likely to get more contributors that way.

>>3547092
>BAT: literally the lowest common denominator ever. Windows 95+, will even work on the most virus-ridden wreck of a machine. Absolutely rock-solid reliable
>QB64: BASIC with cross-platform compiling. Self-contained EXEs, reliable

Also, I'm specifically going after the DOS look of the time. I get that for free with BAT/QB64. I'd have to waste a ton of time emulating the look in other languages.

Perl & Python are massively over-complicated tools for a simple task and just creates programming for programming's sake.

>>3547091
I believe you would need to modify enemy data if you wanted to make enemies give unique points each.

>>3546845
if only view bobbing and weapon bobbing were seperate

>>3547092
i think his program's more likely to get done if he writes it in a language he knows, rather than catering to contributors who only exist in potentia

>>3547114
Actually, the content will be text files anybody can create. The engine just renders them and it won't need every contributor to hack on.

>>3546321
nah I'm british - I'd love to collab some time, though. I'm not exactly good at making maps, I'm more of a decorate/acs wizard.

>>3546083
>>3546092
Are there any other good WADs out there that follow HontE's rules for lighting?

>>3546101
Add Noah from Super 3D Noah's Ark

>>3546101
add garret from thief. keep him the same as in thief, but make sure he's balanced.

>>3547027
Curious, are you gonna be posting this to github or someplace?

What is the best quake 2 source port?

>>3547314
yamagi.org/quake2

>>3547318
I legitimately never heard of that one. I'll go check it out with my gog q2.

>>3547257
>garret is completely invisible in slightest shadow
>his footsteps are extremely loud and alert everyone on the map
>blackjack is OHKO from behind on ANYONE
>the sword does 1 damage
>fire arrows don't exist
>broadhead arrows do exist, but you can't afford them until you pickpocket a cyberdemon

>>3547324
It's the only port i've seen that does antialiasing

Can good maps be made with startan only?

>>3546950
http://www.mediafire.com/file/trk7yt4v9egtrnv/SmoothDoom-WeaponsOnly.pk3

Right here

>>3545246
> post hdoom screenshot
> get fucking b& for 4 fucking days
> posting tons of blood, gore and curse words is okay
> 4 pixel nipples on female demon-horse is not
> mfw

>>3546942

I like the 'dot' crosshair too. I tried changing he color to red, but it's still green. Am I missing something really basic here? I'm running ZDOOM through ZDOOM Executor.

Made it to map 9 on plutonia on ultra violence using the plutonia simulator mod and Might I say that Archviles are Fuckin Everywhere .

>>3547347
if the fifty shades of graytall wad is anything to go by, I'd say yes.

>>3547363
maybe you have it indicating your health?

>>3547360
Well, it violated board rules, so it was purged. I like hdoom like any other autist but i think you're overreacting.

Also american censorship, nudity/violence double standard etc etc

>>3547346
Tsk, it doesn't support the high poly weapon pack it seems. Oh well, the original wobbly SSG has its own charm.

>play mods for 30 mins
>go back to chocolate doom for hours
Who /chocolate doom/ here

>>3547394
I /gldoom/ here

tried going back to /zdoom/ but it hurt my gentle HD spoiled eyes after a while

How do you make an instant-death pitfall in the Boom format?

Post cute stuff

>>3547405
The classic teleport to black room/telefrag the player

>>3547417
DONT
O O
N N
T T

>friend sends me a gzdoom pack
>play this
>this happens
fucking lol

>>3547425
I don't understand the whole "don't pet the caco" meme

He can easily be punched to death with berserker fists, especially if you soften him up with 2-3 shotgun shots

Yes, his melee hurts (he's 70% mouth after all) but it's easily sidestepped

>>3547427

...I'm pretty sure it's just a meme because the idea of petting a cacodemon is funny.

>>3547426
Dont you like nudoom? There must be something very wrong with you

[/sarcasm]

>>3547427
>monster the size of a weather balloon
>maintains flight through not quite clear means
>belches ball lightning as a projectile attack
>mouth full of a row of big sharp teeth
>exterior body covered in large spines/spikes
I'm thinking it's more of a harzard warning.

>>3547429
You can even fisticuff a revenant (motherfucker has been lifting weights his whole life, and somehow even his skeleton is buff) if you're completely mad

>>3547432
>>maintains flight through not quite clear means
Clearly he's filled with gas because of an extremely unhealthy diet

He gains/loses altitude by sucking air through his sphincter, and propulsion through farting

>>3547423
Got a tutorial or something?

>>3547440
Nope, sorry.

But there should be a teleporting mesh somewhere, and instakill teleporters are achieved through the voodoo doll (dummy player spawn)

Beautiful.

>>3547426
>>3547430
If this was Doom 4 those would have had a long visual tell before firing, then just miss the player entirely.
Revenants in Doom 4 are a joke, that doesn't make this not bullshit though

What's a good skin pack for multiplayer? My buddies would love some variety, ideally something that fits thematically.

>>3547430
do you ever, you know, shut up?

>>3547405
I hate insta death pitfalls, any reason you can't make it a damaging floor with an escape route?

>>3547462
>someone is wrong on the internet
>not posting
pick one

>>3547465
I wanted the room to have a skyyfloor many, many feet below. Decided to change the floor to blood with 20% damage instead.

jesus fuck.

>>3546953
violence.wad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hneLLgaScUs

Are there any wads that are like black and white horror films in their style?

>>3546953

multiplayer only, but cybercrime might be what you're looking for.

What did the UAC mean by this?

>>3546760
Wouldn't it be difficult to recreate its monsters into Doom though? Unless you go for something like hot monkey dick

>People keep updating their DUMP3 maps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tmN1a3cDMg

Can someone running Windows do me a huge favor and unpack this soundfont with the provided SFPack utility in the description and then upload it somewhere? For some reason, people still insist on compressing soundfonts with an archaic, proprietary format that has no cross-platform tools available.

>>3547450
There's a lot of skin packs and a lot of them have a bunch of characters from various doom related games. There's one on the zandronum forums, the ancient skins.wad, vrskins from a year ago, just make sure your friends also have them loaded up too

>>3547607
Just run wine lad, everyone does it

>>3547606
Hey I posted my final version of fort stimpack ages ago, mine is done. Don't make me add in a hidden Waifu Window secret just to spite you all

>>3547606
I remember when the release was scheduled for July. How naive I was for actually believing that.

>>3547606

It's making my job easier, so.
Hopefully I can get a release out before the 13th.

Hello, is this the Reflex general?

>>3547628
Is that a promise?

What defines a speedmap? Like, how long can I work on one until it isn't considered a speedmap anymore?

>>3547607
https://mega.nz/#!LA5CkA5b!uUJgDt27svsjNIb7WRjpcAFVf5MA42TwMzgqAB7sznY

Here it is in SF2 format.

>>3547649

Thanks dude!

>>3547606
>people actually make finished games out of their 7dayfps/ludum dare projects
Crazy, I know

>>3547646

Nope. I dunno entirely if it's even that realistic or feasible.
But I fully expect all y'all to blast my ass to keep me going and hopefully I can make it.

If I can't, then FUCK

>>3547660
don't worry, you can count on me to call you a faggot as hard as i can

>>3547664

Thanks, anon. I knew I could count on you.

>>3547647
it's quite arbitrary but I think it's safe to say not longer than a day.

>>3547657
>What's a deadline

>>3547647
A couple hours to a day I think.

>>3547667
>>3547671
Okay cool, I just wanted to know before I started on stuff. It's about time I started making some maps and shit.

>>3546496
I might host this. I host unreal almost all the time, so it should make it a little more interesting.

>>3547394
Meee. Love dat pixelated grittiness. The game just feels less sinister in higher resolutions.

What difficulty do you play DOOM on?

I play Ultra-Violence with Fast Monsters enabled and all forms of autoaim disabled.

>>3547694
Always UV

>>3547694
UV

>>3547665
>>3547660
>>3547628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAEQvlaZgKY

>>3547694
UV on iwads
Generally HMP in mapsets.

Freelook, no auto-aim (I hate auto-aim)

plz help /vr/. I can't get wads to load with gzdoom. Every time I drag and drop a wad into gzdoom and start a new game, it just loads doom. Am I retarded for not knowing what's going on?

>>3547737

What wads are you trying to load?
Is there a wad selection menu pop-up?

>>3547694
Usually Hurt Me Plenty for vanilla stuff/IWADs, but I go to Ultra-Violence for most gameplay mods because of the increased enemy amount balancing out most overpowered stuff. I don't play custom WADs that much, but I usually play them on Hurt Me Plenty.
I use mouse freelook, no crosshair and autoaim off for my aim settings.

>>3545498
>their numbers would be endless
well maybe you should have said that right off the bat because that kind of makes it an inevitable win for the demons

>>3547737
Are you using the correct IWad (doom, doom2, plutonia, tnt)? Are you loading the right map (map e2m3 or map02 as examples?)

>>3547739
I'm trying to play momento mori, and when I drag it into gzdoom, the iwad selection window pops up, I select doom 2, and it loads up doom 2. I'll start a new game, and I'll be in doom 2, as opposed to the wad I want to play.

>>3547737
Well, now it's working. I don't know what the hell's going on. Thanks for your concern.

I've been living a nightmare for well over a year now and today was one of the worst days of that stretch, but was also the day that I learned there's an eternal Doom thread and that has made me feel happiness through a great deal of physical and emotional pain.

I love all of you very much.

>>3547654
No worries, I found that I was on the outdated 1.9 soundfont so I might as well

>>3547764
We love you too Anon. <gives Cyber-Hug>

>>3547764
Hope whatever you're going through gets better soon, bro.

>>3547746

You got a corrupted download of Memento Mori, then. Redownload it.

>>3547764
love you too anon

>>3547764

Things will get better, anon. We'll be here, think of us as megasphere for morale support.

It's another weekend, another iteration, y'all know the drill.
Post your fuckin' screenshots of what you're fuckin' working on.

What's your WIPs? You got any maps, sprites, weapons, codestuff, etc?

>>3547764
Ask yourself, what would doomguy do? That's right, get a big fuck off shotgun and solve all problems through gratuitous violence

>>3547828
but that's illegal anon
>>3547764
love you too bubalub (:

>>3547826
some screenies from my first "big" levelset i'm working on.

>>3547842
another one

I haven't mapped before, so how do maps normally handle spawning enemies out of nowhere?

>>3547845
obviously WIP because the default textures are bleh
>>3547846
depends on the engine you're building for. ZDoom would do it differently than let's say, vanilla doom. I would look into it for the engine you're making your map for.

>>3547446

>>3547845
>>3547842
Hey, that's how most my maps start, too!

>>3547846
Without scripts: Enemies off the map that get alerted and walk or get pushed into telepoorters after a trigger. Normally they're alerted earlier in the map and a trigger just opens a door that lets them into the teleporter.
With scripts: Thing_Spawn(destination thing id, spawn number, angle, new thing id)

>>3547859
So the player crosses a line def and it pushes the monster into a teleporter? Seems kinda hacky tbqh

>>3547846
>>3547859
you can also have them in instant raising pits, requires at least boom format.
be sure to have no lower textures on the walls of the pit so it's invisible and then have it raise instantly by making an action like:
>direction: down
>target: highest adjacent floor
for some reason when you tell the floor to go down when the target is higher than it it moves to the target instantly.

>>3547862
Most doombuilder tricks that are now commonly used are hacky, it's part of the fun imo.

>>3547862
In full vanilla, you just raise a door and they walk into it. There's no pushing, and generally you have to make sure the trigger is on all sides of them or at least between them and the player. In Boom I think you can shove them in a scrolling sector.

>>3547694
UV

>>3547863
you don't need boom format for instant raising pits, you do 19 W1 lower to highest adjacent floor on a sector whose floor height is lower than all its surroundings

>>3547872
>In Boom I think you can shove them in a scrolling sector.
i advise against this, let them walk into teleporter lines by themselves, avoid loops where they get stuck walking in the opposite direction to the conveyor.

>>3547862
study E1M9 for a general idea of how they work.

>>3546872
romero's e1m4

>You can use the Holy Water Pistol in MetaDoom to extinguish Lost Souls in one shot

Holy shit this is great

>Her

Does anyone have the up-to-date assembly list for DRLA? Thanks in advance.

>>3547952
Here you go

Are you a Techy main

>>3547918
love it

>>3547954
No, i'm a coward.

>>3547951

>Look at nowthatswhaticallmidi's acs code to see if I could borrow from it
This isn't as simple as I thought it'd be..

>>3547984

you don't have to change the acs at all to borrow from it

just edit the language lump

>>3547826
please forgive my shitty way of uploading game videos, i'm total shit at making webm's

i've been tweaking my gun that builds walls, but it's not quite ready for release yet

http://plays.tv/video/57f8b3f0136bc97a2b/the-wall-gun-cometh

>>3547987
i thought they were loaves of bread at first

>>3547985
It won't break if I lower the amount of songs, then? Alright.

>>3547992
heh

i just cropped a single brick out of a doom2 wall texture and used that

>>3547993

nope

it's very flexible

if you want to lower the amount of songs, just lower the number of entries in language and remove that number of sounds

>>3547962
Technician is incredibly flexible, though you'll wince when you find an orange or green drop you can barely do shit with.

>>3547264
>Curious, are you gonna be posting this to github or someplace?
Once I've got it working. At the moment this is just a bunch of print statements, I want to load everything from txt files so players can contribute pages without having to edit the code.

I remember legitimately believing Johnny Test had some correlation to Duke Nukem when I was younger.[\spoiler]

>>3548058
I thought Johnny Bravo was Duke Nukem for kids.

>>3548058
I thought Doom had something to do with duck dodgers.

just... no fucking idea, dude.

>>3548058
who the fuck is johnny test

>>3548064
*whipcrack*

>>3547826
My pistol being based on the Automag (and Mag 60) has a limited magazine, which the player can not manually reload, besides switching away from the pistol and back again, like in Unreal. After a while I found this too clunky and neglected using the pistol as it wasn't good for extended fights, running out of ammo at bad times or requiring a long reload due to weapon switching times. This relegated the weapon to a "fallback" role that doesn't exist because none of the other weapons need to pause fighting to reload.
Playing Combined Arms I saw the pistol in it forgoes a manual reload as well, however it has a mechanic where after not shooting for 2 seconds it will automatically reload. I found this feature cool, but it would often screw me over as 2 seconds is just a bit too short in practice.
I took the idea into my mod (do you need credit Kegan?) and found 3 seconds to be quite comfortably outside the "I'm still shooting at things" range, the pistol now feels more enjoyable to use as you don't have to worry about weapon juggling or being low when going into a fight.

>>3547954
Seriously, how is anyone supposed to figure these out on their own?

>>3548090
By having played DoomRL, duh

>>3548082
the thing about automatic reload is that is it happens too fast /or/ slow, it screws up combat, and if it happens too slowly then you may as well just leave it as manual reload because what's the point?

personally i like the idea of it and it looks cool but it seems to be functionally borderline impossible to implement; there will always be a combat situation in which your automatic reload will fuck you, whether it's a 3 second or 10 second pause doesn't change that fact.

>>3548082
>I took the idea into my mod (do you need credit Kegan?)

Don't be silly, I'm just glad you could use that idea and put it to good use. Keep up the good work.

>>3547826
i did the following to samsars for a patch i'll prob. kick out... next week?

- Reverted the console spam fix from 0.355, since it's not an issue anymore, which also simultaneously caused the following to happen...
- Fixed Weapon Stay being busted!
- Fixed unique powerups sometimes just not happening when picked up!

- Merged in Popsoap10's fix for non-bleeding enemies not creating puffs
- Added greatly-improved widescreen-friendly Duke RPG and Freezethrower sprites from the cancelled HTTKC
- Fixed Duke talking over himself at the start of a map in Pistol Start mode
- Pistol Start mode now resets your health appropriately
- Added proper weapon bob settings to the Marathon 1 Alien Weapon
- New secret sound effect for Doomguy

>>3548090
Have you played the mod? Though you do not require them to assemble, the automaps will add 1-3 assembly combinations to your list each. I ran the test map it comes with and collected a shitload of them to get them all.

The Technician is probably the only class who can afford to be choosy, and even then exotic modpacks for the most absurd ones aren't easy to get.

When you create a Master Assembly, the Snake Eater theme plays.

>>3548092
I'd much rather be fucked over by autoreload as an encounter starts than be fucked over 4 shots later because I had low ammo.

>>3548092
>>3548082

The thing about automatic reload is that it doesn't make sense from a design perspective when it comes to guns.

Manual reloading is the only acceptable way.
If you want people to pause their shooting without a reload button then use a cooling system or force a reload on 0 bullets.

Don't make it automatically reload during a pause of shooting.

>>3548109
Why not just shoot four times and reload automatically that way?

Why are we so against the reload button?
Do you want people to not reload often? Put in a magazine system

FUCK RELOADING

>>3547826
i'm getting pretty lazy, but hopefully I can pick it back up in a few days.

>>3547954
Does DRLA work with DRPG again or is it still fucked?

>>3548112
>Don't make it automatically reload during a pause of shooting.
I gave my reasoning for why the auto reload was put in, the pistol just felt too unwieldy without it, besides there's no point using up keybind real estate for just a single weapon.

>>3548115
>Why not just shoot four times and reload automatically that way?
Because the gun only makes warning clicks when you're at 3 ammo or lower and you can't see how much ammo you currently have in your magazine
>Why are we so against the reload button?
>Do you want people to not reload often? Put in a magazine system
Because the games the mod's a tribute to do not have a reload button, and I want to use the button for an inventory related function.

>>3548107
Yeah, the automap. The rarest powerup you'll encounter in any map.
I've played through 15 levels of a megawad with the technician, and i didn't discover a single assembly i didn't know before. The system is retarded and unintuitive, and i can't wrap my head around anyone thinking it's a good idea.

>>3548127
I don't use DRPG.

>>3548134
Well people don't tend to use items like automaps and blurspheres often in their megawads do they? That's part of the fault right there. Assembled weapons can also be found lying around dead marines and some enemies, but they're still rare occurrences, and Technician still starts with knowing the basic assemblies most players will already know.

Another means of slowly filling out the list wouldn't be an overall bad idea, though.

kill monster = assembly pinata

>>3548151
>people don't tend to use items like automaps and blurspheres often in their megawads do they

from what i remember, id barely used automaps themselves

honestly i frequently forget that they even exist as items because of how scarce they are

>>3548158
computer maps in doomu.wad

E1M5
E1M6
E1M7
E1M8

E2M1
E2M2
E2M4
E2M5
E2M6
E2M7
E2M9

E3M2
E3M3
E3M6

E4M7

computer maps in doom2.wad

MAP09
MAP13
MAP15
MAP18
MAP19
MAP23
MAP27
MAP27

>>3548167
so i counted 23 maps with automaps in them

how many maps are in all four episodes of doom and all of doom 2, and how many of those automaps are in secrets areas?

>>3548158
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Computer_area_map#Appearance_statistics

Ultimate Doom uses them a bit, the others not so much. TNT strangely gets one more in UV/NM than in HMP and below.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Partial_invisibility#Appearance_statistics

Blursphere count doesn't go any higher than 26, which is an improvement but still.

Also in DRLA: the Scout starts all maps with knowledge of the layout. Which might help get more maps for assemblies, but yeah doesn't change that the system isn't the most intuitive and relies more on past knowledge.

>>3548156
I could see some types of enemies maybe dropping blueprints or parts of them or something, that could work.

>>3548172
36 maps for Doom 1

>>3548158
>>3548167
Looks like it's actually most Doom 1 maps that have an automap.

>>3548174
so 15 out of 26 maps in Doom 1 have an automap, with an undetermined amount of those being hidden in secret

not exactly a pickup you're likely to trip over

>>3548180
15 out of 36, ugh

time for sleep now

>>3548180
15 out of 36 is something that cannot be described as ''scarce'' like >>3548158 claimed.

>>3548180
>>3548172
You don't know Doom 1's secrets by heart?

>>3548180
14 out of 27
let's not count E4

>>3548184
if you compare the amount of times the automap makes an appearance as compared to any other pickup (possibly excluding night-vision or the BFG) then 15 spawns in 36 maps is /assuredly/ scarce; we're talking about 15 actors in the entirety of Doom 1.

>>3548186

I have to admit that I am a heretic that has never even completed all 4 episodes of Doom.

>>3548195
>if you compare the amount of times the automap makes an appearance as compared to any other pickup
We're not doing that though, the post said that the automap is scarce, period, which is very wrong.

>>3548196
Think of it like this
>23 of 36 levels have automaps
>Averages out to less than 1
>Meanwhile 300+ Medkits throughout all of Ultimate Doom
IT'S BULLSHIT