/vr/ - Retro Games

but that's not beyond the beyond, OP.

BURN!

>>3529610
No, Grandia is, even though the superior version is on the Sega Saturn.

>>3529656
Grandia turns into complete garbage after Sue leaves.

>>3529656
Grandia might be the memest PSX RPG ever, but definitely not the best.

>>3529610
Best RPG for the PSX DVR.

It's my favourite PS1 game in general. When this music hits at the end of disc 1 and nobody but Claude understands the significance of what just happened, it gives me goosebumps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCv9ulvXuY&index=41&list=PLL1K6l8lhh6tcgnILX0n9mVnVjXV5ntWZ

>>3529610
>2 hours long intro
That's probably the worst part of the game though, and it's not so bad the first time you play.

My favorite jrpg of all time and most people have never heard of it.

Dat item creation system, dat free style battle system, dat storyline, dat private action building relationships system.

Damn, it was so good.

Then I found the strategy guide years later and learned about the Dungeon at the very end of the game and it was like a whole new game after that.

10/10 will play again.

>>3529739
>says psx or ps1
>you literally post a ps2 game

Are you fucking retarded?

>>3529610

It's not even that company's best RPG on PSX.

With that said, I beat it twice (once with each protag) and really enjoyed it.

>>3529930
>not getting the joke

>>3529610
Yep. Easily.

>>3529930
PSX can play PS2 games, retard.

>>3529930
He literally said PSX DVR. You are the only retard here.

>>3529739
Not /vr/

>>3529960
but it came out in 2003

Only slightly superior

>>3530118
memeshit

>>3530119
It's ok, it's one of the few jrpgs to not limit you to using only a few characters

>>3530119
>playing the butchered Working Designs version
>he hasn't learned Japanese to play it instead yet

>>3530127
>Implying American version doesn't have superior VA

All these people pretending FF7 doesn't blow these games away.

>>3530141
Star Ocean actually has some challenging parts and more and customization
You can actually maybe die in some parts

>>3530149
I don't hate Star Ocean 2. I have it in my collection, but its not even close on any level. Except big breasted witches, I guess?

That's not valkyrie profile

>>3530141
This

>>3530139
>implying VA is ever good

>>3530248
>Implying Lunar 2 VA isn't godtier

>>3530118
generic weeaboo

Go shit up some other board.

>>3529610
>Any Star Ocean
>Good
Mighty kek

>>3530708
That game's art looks nothing like your pic, stop being retarded

>>3530248
Deafie confirmed.

>>3529610

Nah

>>3529610
That game is NTR as fuck though.

>Claude saves Rena numerous times
>Rena keeps blowing him off for Dias
>Rena starts with a higher friend rating for Claude and a higher romance rating for Dias
>Claude had a high romance for Rena, but never gets it reciprocated, even though Dias mostly ignores Rena
>Rena actually has a powerful magical sword forged for Dias so he can beat Claude
>entire team is constantly talking shit about how Rena treats Claude and how fucked up the situation is
>Dias dies
>Rena suddenly warms up to her beta second choice option Claude
>whole team develops amnesia and pressures Claude to forgive her and be interested

Nah, fuck that.

>>3529610
I like SO2 but it had too many flaws to be even remotely the best RPG on the system.

The battle system was garbage with its excessive focus on guard breaking and stunlocking and characters like Bowman made the game trivial on any difficulty setting, offensive spellcasters are useless for the majority of the game bar the beginning, the writing is pretty weak in some parts and the "multiple" endings are kinda lame honestly, though I like the fact that you can ship basically anyone with anyone, that was a nice touch, although it was mostly flavour stuff, and the PS translation and voice acting was beyond garbage.

Then there's the whole problem with Star Ocean being set in space and then you hardly see more than two planets, so much for the theme of space travel,

I'll give it a 7 out of HEEEEEEEEEEEEEY IT'S SPICULE!

>>3529610
>RPG on PSX

I played some of SO2 last year. I started off with Rena, but played for only 4 hours or so. Is there any benefit to starting with Claude?

I enjoyed SO3 and beat it a couple years ago.

>>3529610
No, but it's close.

>>3531034
:'(

>>3529610
>That nose

Thank goodness for the remake. Won't be touching the PSX version.

>>3531051
claude has more storyline clarity, since rena is an ignorant native, and claude is a space faring human.

other than that rena is probably the better character overall because her unique character to recruit is dias and he is way better than leon, who claude can recruit

>>3529610
TEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECESTEARINTOPIECES

>>3530732
Nah, this is *the* good Star Ocean game. An exception to the rule, if you will.

>>3531069
The portraits are better in the psp version, if a bit generic, but definitely more pleasantly designed and drawn. Unfortuantely Rena looks way too young in the updated art and frankly looks like a potato. Several others, especially Dias looks way better. Then again the original art has that neat 90s vibe and is not nearly as disgusting as something like Alundra.

>>3531023
This would be my answer. Still, had I played Suikoden II before FFIX it might be my personal number 1.

>>3531034
>Rena starts with a higher friend rating for Claude and a higher romance rating for Dias
This is solely so that there is a possibility of getting a Dias ending. You still have to go out of your way to get anything but Claude. Those numbers mean nothing, the player doesn't see them.

>>3531220
The younger she looks the better, if you ask me.

>>3531023
rofl ok

>>3531034
Go the Rena route then you idiot.

>>3531220
>Nah, this is *the* good Star Ocean game. An exception to the rule, if you will.

Listen, fucko. A bad series doesn't get five fucking games. You can call a sequel a fluke, but if it gets this far, they're obviously doing something right.

>>3531256
>play as Rena so you can be a useless slut cucking Claude

Nah. I don't even like pic related, but it's worth it having him warm my bench to know Dias is dead and Rena's going to end up alone in the epilogue.

>>3531256
>rofl
>implying he's wrong

God no. It's a fun game but the characters are nothing special and the battle system is only fun in a spammy way. Tales of Eternia beats it in combat and characters, Grandia beats it with sense of adventure, and Valkyrie Profile is the true underappreciated Tri-Ace ringer.

I always get bored and quit by the time I get to that mountain dungeon.

>>3531161
>PEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHESPEARINTOPEACHES

>>3531034
Just go for Precis or Opera

>>3529739
Ebin, simply ebin :^)

nope this was

>>3529840
This actually made me stop playing it completely during my rental of it. Ended up playing FFVIII which I also rented for the remainder of the time.

>>3529739
>Aruze Group
>A Ruse

>>3529610
>Not Xenogears
>Not Valkyrie Profile
>Not Breath of Fire IV
>Not Breath of Fire III
>Not Front Mission 3
>Not Final Fantasy Tactics
>Not Suikoden II
>Not Final Fantasy VII
Not even close.

>>3531447
I didn't know they made a captain planet game

>>3531265
I will never recruit this faggot again.
Team Claude is invariably Celine, Opera (so I can get Ernest to fill my party), Bowman (just to save the sick kid), Ernest, Noel and Chisato.
Team Rena is Celine, Ashton (again, to save the sick kid), Precis, Dias, Noel and Chisato.

>>3530141
As time passes people are seeing how not only FF7 was not really that great, but not even the best FF game. FF6 before it and FF9 after it.

>>3530141
>FF7
>good

>>3531754
>Torment
>On Playstation

>>3531741
9 is "muh nostalgia" trash and 6 is just like 7 except not FUCKIN 3D MULTIMEDIAS

>>3531765
9 is great to people who enjoyed FF1

7 is great to people that don't know any better.

I am just glad as time passes the "Greatest Game of All time" list is starting to lack FF7, people are wising up. I feel like Tifa's tits are what keep it in focus

>>3531779
>9 is great because muh nostalgia
It's weak as shit so I guess if what you enjoyed about 1 is how it's also weak as shit that's fine but at least 1 has a good excuse. The next 3 games after FF7 were just FF7's game play with various weeb-tier story lines, 9 standing out as the worst.

>>3531765
Console RPGs are a joke compared to computer RPG's.

>>3531836
That's fine but isn't what the thread's about.

>>3531836
>CRPG elitists have to come in and ruin threads that aren't even about their games
bet you are a real hit at parties, faggot

>>3529610
Step aside.

>>3531957
A computer RPG fan would probably be more enjoyable at a party than a JRPG-loving autist, yes.

>>3531971
so that's a no

>>3531971
honestly I don't even like parties

>>3531982
>projecting this hard

>>3532003
actually you are the one projecting lol, you seem to be trying really hard to validate your stance by all that ad hominem in your first reply

>>3531023
>2000
Yea 9 isnt retro
Sorry

>>3532053
What's the difference between your mother and your girlfriend?

You mother gets on her knees, your girlfriend gets on her tiptoes.

>>3532028
Who are you talking to? Mike was my first post in the thread.

>>3532028
>JRPGfag so upset he isn't even making sense any more

MY FUCKING SIDES

>>3532053
not sure if bait or retarded

>>3531754
wtf i hate jrpgs now

>>3531754
FF7 is better than PST.

>>3532160

>>3530732
2 is literally the only good Star Ocean.
The rest of the series is Sub-Tales mediocre, dipping into awful with 4.

Step aside.

>>3532178
>that pirate ship part

It's a shit dungeon already even before repeating it for the third time.

>>3529610
Not my thing, but good one still. I was more into Valkyrie Profile.

>>3531663
Not defending OP, but half the games you listed are garbage.

>>3529960
wtf is this

>>3529732
The combat system is top notch and satisfying. You'll be keen on grinding actually.

>>3530118
I liked, that the battles start more difficult than the first game. But later in it's only difficult that you can't control that OP girl on the cover, or the orderbin which your party members attack.
Story was so stretched out and boring in between, that I couldn't force myself to continue after disc 1.

>>3530295
The red cat sounds great

>>3533067
It's a meme.

>>3532163

It's a better game than PST, by miles, it's not even close. PST is definitely a better book than FF7 though.

UNEXPECTEDLY BRIEF

UNEXPECTEDLY BRIEF

UNEXPECTEDLY BRIEF

The bad VO, combined with the dry, dry translation make this game's script a special type of bad. I kinda want to keep on going (just got to the ship at the start) because the world seems neat though.

>>3533628
I only played the PSP version with undub.

Nothing is perfect though, those generic soulless artwork popping during every conversation annoys me to hell, the game would look much better without them.

>>3533628
>The bad VO, combined with the dry, dry translation make this game's script a special type of bad.
I know, right? It's the only Star Ocean game that I play with English voices and couldn't bare it any other way. It's Resident Evil tier. I love it.

>>3531043
I don't even care that you're laughing. Rustle is god tier.

>FF7, 6 & 9 all being disputed as the best FF
>All these plebs not realising that 8 is in fact the best

>>3529726
i stopped playing after that point as a kid. i had spent so long grinding her shit before that point, and all I got was some shitty egg that didn't give me a tenth of the skill levels I had on her.

>>3529938
Valkyrie Profile was a great game, but it was a hell of a downer most of the time. I greatly prefer Star Ocean 2.

Excuse me, you dropped this

I think I'll do another Claude&Rena only run next time I play Star Ocean 2 just so I can show people the screenshots of the unique scenes and dialogue

Threads of Fate and Tales of Eternia.

>>3531663
Found the squaresoft cuck.

>>3537632
Take that cuckolding back to >>>/v/

pls

>>3537619
It would be one of my favorites if the minigames weren't shit.

>>3530141
it sure blows alright

>>3530141
>>3537724

I like BoF4. I'm getting close to looking up a guide on the fishing segment, I can't get some of these rare fish.

It is. And I'd say more: Star Ocean is the best RPG on SNES

>>3537624
I am a bit curious about how that plays out, and it might be an interesting challenge. I think I would get a bit bored of having no character options other than Claude and Rena, though.

>>3537619
Yeah, I did. I'm not picking it back up, either.

>>3537678
SaGa Frontier might would be the best RPG on the console if it wasn't blatantly unfinished. Nearly every game ends up having some cut content for various reasons, but it's rare for it to be as obvious and crippling as it is in SaGa Frontier. There are dropped questlines and plot threads everywhere, areas that serve no real purpose, fragmented plotlines that make little sense, etc.

The game did have a whole lot of potential, though.

>>3531034

Fuck Rena, Chisato is best girl

>>3531023
>Mein Negro

>>3531447
That's the game that had the martial arts fighting system, right? I liked that game, but shit, by the middle of the game, one random battle took like 10 minutes to fight because of all the inputs you had to put it. It really killed the pacing for me.

>>3539209
>I am a bit curious about how that plays out, and it might be an interesting challenge. I think I would get a bit bored of having no character options other than Claude and Rena, though.
If anything it's actually more interesting and it all proceeds at quite a brisk pace with less customization to bother with.

>>3532178
as much as I enjoyed it, it's got too many fucking problems

also, Eternia is better
shit, Phantasia is better (but that didn't get a western PS1 release)

>>3529726
Rapp and Liete are shit characters. Sue had been the absolute best comic relief at that point and I would have taken that kid with the flute over Crapp.

Fuck, damn near every character that you get before that point like Guido and everyone else is better than Rapp and Liete

>>3531765
6 isn't anywhere near the best FF game, all the PSX games blow it out of the water.

World of Ruin is complete trash

>>3531738
Wasn't there a non possibility of recruiting Noel or Chisato if you got both Ernest and Opera since your roster is full? Am I missing a character somewhere?

>>3539987
I think it's Opera or Ashton, Ernest or Bowman, getting one excludes the other.

If you get everyone up to the point where you get Chisato, getting her won't leave enough room for Noel.

The problem with Star Ocean 2 was that I never could get around to not recruiting Bowman because he was awesome. Even in my most aberrant phase I could not go with Precis.

>>3539993
Oh wait that was it, it was Bowman or Precis

Precis is second best girl you faggot, are you gay or something? Do you need to cuck Bowman's wife with alien vagina that badly?

Chisato is best obviously

>>3531265
How does one make Rena end up alone?
Is there a way to make Claude like someone else?
I only ever played maybe 15 hours worth of the game years ago before I got sick of it glitching and freezing up on me.

>>3539995
Laid back guy who likes to leer at pretty girls and offer best friend advice or hyperactive little typical anime girl that offers nothing except a few admittedly cute scenes with Ashton? Thanks, I'll go with the doc.

>>3539995
>Do you need to cuck Bowman's wife with alien vagina that badly?
Bowman, AKA BROwman/My Nigga™/Doc doesn't have any romantic ending because he's already married and despite being a lecher is a serious guy who settled down with the woman he loves.

>>3530118
FUCK
VICTOR
IRELAND
THOUGH

>>3529726
I dunno man, some of the dialogue was pretty good. I also liked the battle system quite a bit, although it was a bit too easy to exploit. More turn-based RPGs should have this kind of mechanics. Only shame was that you could basically prevent bosses from ever getting a turn if you just kept attacking. The reverse was also true, but there was only one boss I can remember that really had the numbers and the moves to mess you up, and that was the three commander chicks. There should have been ways to break out of these things to avoid battles being too one-sided.

It was a good JRPG for its time, although it suffers from some of the genre's common flaws (namely that there's a lot of padding in the middle and it just drags on so long).

>>3537627
Eternia is often quoted as the worst mainline Tales game. I liked it, but I do see where they're coming from.

What did piss me off was that right at the end of the multi-stage final boss battle you have to enter a specific button combo, or you die. They do hint that you'll have to do it, but you don't have that much time to decide 'well yeah, this is the moment where i'm supposed to do the thing'.

>>3530127
>I spent time learning a useless language so I could play video games

Top kek

>>3540287
When the fuck is learning a language a bad thing?

>>3540384
When it's for any reason other than you plan on going to a country where that's the locale

>>3539993
EXPLOSION PILLS

I honestly think he is one of the coolest characters in the game.

>>3531041
Honestly I love the psx voice acting compared to that shit we got on psp

>>3529732
>memest
What does that even mean? You mean full of memes?

In that case it's probably a tie between FFVII and anything with Working Designs on it.

>>3529840
>2 hour long intro
>lots of exposition on the warrior of light
>it has no bearing on the rest of the game at all

I love the game, but it comes from an era where they were previous limited on script size because of 16 bit cartridge games and the disc based era opened up data size so they run with it too much. So many PS1 era games need editing.

>>3539987

Not really. It depends. The game gives you 2 Characters, Mandatory and 8 slots total

Celine
Ashton or Opera
Ernest
Bowman or Precis
Leon or Dias
Noel
Chisato

Yea, that's 7, but you can not have Celine, or Bowman or precis, or leon or dias. If you recruit every possible person and have ernest, you will lose out on Chisato. If you drop someone prior it's not an issue.

>>3531960

Is this a joke? CC is low-tier.

>>3540026

I think the private actions, as well as creating books or artwork can change the relationship levels.

>>3531220

>The portraits are better in the psp version
Do most people think that? To me they look amateurish and have less detail. They're also drawn in a more "weebish" style, like everyone is a child.

>>3541445
There are worse game than Chrono Cross in this thread, but a triggernigger can't miss the chance to bitch about it, right?

>>3531447
Severely underrated game. The story really captured my imagination as a kid and the combat and Seru magic system was top notch.

The sequel wasn't too bad though just a different style.

>>3541458

I haven't played every rpg mentioned here so I can't comment on the worst. But among the rpgs I have played, CC would be at the bottom. What do you find so good about it?

>>3539560
I've just spent too much time playing as Claude across multiple playthroughs already. I tend to avoid using him these days.

>>3539585
The World of Ruin is great. I wish more games in the series gave the player some freedom in how to approach their objectives and explore the world.

>>3539993
I like both of them, but I did usually go with Bowman.

Opera is the one character I end up recruiting every single time without fail, outside of my first playthrough where I missed her.

>>3541445
>Do most people think that? To me they look amateurish and have less detail.

I've never seen anyone praise the PSP portraits outside of this thread. The general consensus is that they look like crap compared to the originals, and I largely agree with this sentiment. Some of them are only a bit worse, but none of them look better and a few (especially Rena) are awful.

>>3541585
the PSP portraits aren't bad, just generic, with exception to rena, yes she looks way too young.

It's not like the original games portraits were that good, they have some charm I guess due to it being 90s style anime but its still pretty bad, and anyone that really thinks they are good are probably blinded by nostalgia.

the PSP otherwise is probably the best version, but people will use the portraits as an excuse to shit on it. I really missed the awful voice acting from the original more than I missed the portraits, honestly.

>>3531034
>>3531227
Yeah, but you can only get Dias in Rena's route. Dias doesn't get a chance to fug Rena in Claude's route. Though according to canon plot in the sequel Blue Sphere, everyone becomes BFFs

>>3541603
>Though according to canon plot in the sequel Blue Sphere, everyone becomes BFFs
>all 12

Blue sphere can't be canon for this reason. It has to be a seperate universe. I think star ocean exists in a multiverse though. Like Star Trek or rick and morty. Infinite possibilities. Including one where SO3's twist exists.

>>3540026
>>3541445
>private actions, as well as creating books or artwork can change the relationship levels.

Best check an FAQ. some PAs will increase romantic points by a LOT. i remember there was one PA between Ashton & Precis that locks in their ending as a couple if you get it to trigger. Books increase only friendship I think. The only consistent way to increase their friendship/romance points is to have them fight together .

>>3541621

Each character can write two kinds of books, friendship and romance. Romance ones are rare.

They put things to a set value. So the books can decrease too. The best thing to do is make books ASAP and get them published in lacour, so you can just buy more of the rare ones and hit everyone that's under that set value up. Then do the game, boss fights near the end increase valus and never touch books again (except when you recruit maybe ernest or chisato or noel, to raise theirs)

You use books to lower values at the end of the game too, they should all be higher at that point. It's.... all complicated. Some characters have higher values and stuff, so... its tricky.

>>3531263

I know lots of people that love 3. It was....eh to me. I liked most of it I guess, the battle system is playable

4 is mostly a big stinking dud. It's so boring, so cliche, so forced, illogical and.....man.

1 is really good actually. It's a 16-bit era JRPG, but its pretty solid.

>>3531779

7 is pretty great though. It's not garbage by any means, but a realistic 7 or 8/10 is fair judgment of the game. it's not 10/10 greatest game ever. Especially when it's own story feels like a TV show retconning itself. It totally suffers from what >>3541403 said, where is huge script is quantity over quality. Every raves over Aeris's death too, but her abilities were unqiue. Multiple characters, but most of them play pretty much the same and without Aeris the gameplay suffers. THE FUCKING GAMEPLAY. How is this excusable? She also runs off on her own to die, the story aspect is inexcusable.

But to dismiss everything the game gets right because of
>muh nostalgia
>overrated
>normies like it
Is pretty stupid.

>>3541820
aeris was an emotional twenty-something, and in most media, they are just as retarded as teenagers, so it makes sense she would do something drastic after cloud tried to kill her.

she also was probably suicidal because it became clear to her that zack was dead since cloud essentially stole his identity for his own, which cloud didn't recall at the time but aeris knew and its pretty well foreshadowed early in the game.

not trying to justify it but there is probably dumber plot points in the game than aeris running off to die.

>>3541845

Everything in your post is less logical than what the game presents. The game played it as she wanted to do it on her own and put no one else at risk. It's still incredibly forced. It doesn't happen organically which is the problem.

>>3541887
I'm just going by what could drive someone to do it, if we go by what the game tells us, then we have jack shit because the translation is god awful, on top of the shitty story line.

Besides, its not really illogical to consider a character like aeris could be partially suicidal but this point in the story given her life experiences, especially in a japanese game.

>>3541896
>Besides, its not really illogical to consider a character like aeris could be partially suicidal but this point in the story given her life experiences, especially in a japanese game.

....yea it is. You could say it about any character that gets killed. That takes away from what the character is trying to accomplish because they ultimately don't care.

There is a clear choice

Though SO2 was pretty good

>>3541905
You could say that Aeris barely cares what happens and mainly just forces herself to pretend and go with the flow because she feels sorry for everyone else, and ultimately just wants them to go on living without her.

>>3531023
Man, that pic is so cozy, I can't even handle it.

>>3541973

you COULD, there's evidence to suggest this, but yea you COULD.

>>3541973

you could have anything in your head cannon when there's no evidence to the contrary, but why would you think things that don't add value?

>>3541585
>freedom in how to approach their objectives and explore the world.

>>3541804
>1 is really good actually. It's a 16-bit era JRPG, but its pretty solid.

1 was just Tales of Phantasia with a more dumbed down combat system ,and a primitive crafting system which became a maymay feature in modern RPGs. and muh voice acting on a cart.

>>3539585
>World of Ruin is complete trash
World of Ruin is the only decent part of that game, unless you don't like RPGs.
>>3541352
Seriously? The PS VA is low quality hot garbage no matter how you look at it and most actors don't even match their characters, at least the remake has more appropriate ones, though the JP recasting was better than the US one.
Unless you have a bad case of nostalgia there's not reason to prefer the PS VA to the PSP one.
>>3541403
>it has no bearing on the rest of the game at all
Because it was completely debunked as a silly myth after not even two hours into the game, why should they force it down your throat when it has been established times and again it has no bearing whatsoever on the plot? It also goes against Claude's character.
>B...but muh prophecy trope
Fuck you and your shitty addiction to shitty narrative if that's the case.

>>3531741
You are kidding me. FF6 and 9 are fine and well, but to say FF7 isn't great is ridiculous.

>>3542260
>Because it was completely debunked as a silly myth after not even two hours into the game, why should they force it down your throat when it has been established times and again it has no bearing whatsoever on the plot?

THEN WHY SPEND 2 HOURS ON IT AT ALL?!?!?! Especially at THE START OF THE FUCKING GAME

God you're fucking dumb

>Fuck you and your shitty addiction to shitty narrative if that's the case.

NO. IT IS NOT THE CASE. Im saying drop that shit from the beginning of the game. Why you being an attacking little faggot about it? 2 hours of plot that does nothing for the game should NOT be in the game. Im not asking them to change the entire story to fit the intro......

holy shit why am I explaining this to you, you probably crap your pants the toilet lid is down.

>>3542318
>THEN WHY SPEND 2 HOURS ON IT AT ALL?!?!?! Especially at THE START OF THE FUCKING GAME
Because it was the main theme of Claude's whole existence you dumb fucking retard, Claude's whole point as a character is to become a hero in his own right, not to thread in his father's footstep or become a hero thanks to his name or thanks to a special snowflake destiny or prophecy, play the fucking game, it's told over and over again whenever Claude dwells on his past.
>2 hours of plot that does nothing for the game should NOT be in the game.
Maybe if you hadn't the mental capacity of a toilet lid you might understand why I am irritated by your stupidity and why that prophecy being discarded is actually important.

Those "two hours" are simply there to make Claude have his point as a character, just like his duel and relationship with Dias, but you're too much of a dumb fucking toilet lid to understand even a simple concept in a RPG for children.

Now behave or go back to whatever shithole spawned you.

>>3542318
WAAAH CAPITAL LETTERS

>>3529641
>This game was an ancestor of Golden sun .

>>3542264
I think it's an opinion kind of thing. I personally believe that FF7 is less of a timeless classic than either FFVI or FFIX, and the graphics have a lot to do with that.

SNES aesthetic in general never really looks 'dated', and FFIX's graphics are pretty good to begin with. FFVII on the other hand has those weird, blocky ball-and-stick models.

>>3541985
9 has lots of cozy fanart

>>3542408
garnett is secretly the prettiest mainline FF lady, the politically correct liberal jewish black mainstream media just doesn't want us to know that

>>3542412
She's pretty, but I'll never forgive her for hogging so much screen time and dialogue. I would've liked it if other characters had a chance to, you know, be more relevant to the plot during the 3rd and 4th disc.

And she should never have cut her hair.

>>3541510
The battle/experience system is designed better than any other I've seen and no other JRPG has come anything close to it. The way your supply of magic and items is dependent on how well you plan your attacks and manage your party in battle is genius. It throws away the concept of MP so that you rely on tactics, instead of spamming your strongest magic attack and resupplying it with ethers whenever it gets low (Chrono Trigger is a prime example of this). It also eliminates Active Time Battles (found in almost every Final Fantasy game; it's not a great series), random encounters, and grinding, all of which are poor design concepts.

Regarding artstyle, the soundtrack is the best I've hear out of any video game, period, and the graphics are some of the best on the PS1. Also, convoluted storyline aside, the dialogue is well written; all the characters as well as the NPCs sound like actual human beings that have a soul instead of simply vessels of information about the in-game world like most games. Yeah, it's still genre fiction, but it doesn't go as heavy on the narrative as other JRPGs, especially ones made by Squaresoft (the amount of cutscenes and cinematics in some games are completely nauseating). No god awful voice acting either (i.e. Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, Lunar series, among many others).

There's no other game like it, and nothing else in the genre comes close to it, it's absolutely stellar.

>>3542412
It's difficult for me to see that due to how disproportionate all the characters were. I get what they were going for in kind of re-inventing the "chibi" sort of look that their characters/sprites had from the classic FF games, but it was always a little weird how big their heads and hands were to the rest of their bodies.

>>3542471
i can see where you're coming from with your criticism. to be honest, the narration was never ff9's strongest suit.

but i strongly disagree with your notion that she should never have cut her hair. it's cute.

>>3542504
yeah that is unfortunate. i only really enjoy the fanart either. other than the proportions, the character design had some weird choices. i mean, i really appreciate that garnet wasn't wearing a skirt, but the orange jumpsuit was... eh.

still cute.

second best mainline girl is ashe

>>3542501
some of the SaGa games are better than CC, but I agree, its underrated by people, mostly triggerniggers giving it a bad rap cause its not a great sequel

>>3542501
Doesn't seem like you've played many RPGs since CC literally steals most SaGa mechanics and makes them worse.

For the record, everything you've praised bar the fixed experience levels(which is a shitty take on SaGa's no level approach) and MPs is the same BASIC stuff SaGa did years before CC, and it did all of that much better, CC, much like CT hardly did anything original or unique, even down to your narrative complaints and characters speaking like normal human beings.

Saying that there's no other game like it is pretty stupid when it evidently stole plenty of its "unique" mechanics from better games, play more RPGs instead of the list of kool-aid meme JRPGs you'll find on /vr/, luckily there's more to the genre than garbage like FF, DQ and the whole load of mediocre expies like Lunar, LoD or Legaia.

>>3542621
>>3542624
I have indeed never played the SaGa games, and was unaware that it used those mechanics before Chrono Cross released.

I admit you refuted my point.

With that said, I might give SaGa Frontier a try (or whichever you recommend), given that I enjoy Chrono Cross.

>>3542702
you should def play saga frontier 1 and romancing saga 3, those are good entry points into the series, you can hop over to the saga general thread for more detailed recommendations, though.

I also suggest playing saga frontier 2, though it deviates in some areas from the standard saga format, its still a great game and is quite the looker as well with its water color art style.

>>3542773
Thanks, well appreciated. Glad I could have a meaningful discussion here.

>>3542702
SaGa Frontier is fucking shit. Play Romancing SaGa 3 for the best SaGa experience for beginners.

>>3542702
Frontier lacks most mechanics you liked from CC, so you should play Romancing SaGa 3, evn more so since you're new to the series, I do not suggest you to play Frontier 2 because it's one of the strictest game in the series and requires you to not only know the fundamentals but also understand how to apply those to a new, unique ruleset and variation of the main mechanics, it can be a very frustrating game for a newcomer.

You better go to the SaGa threads though, people there can teach you the bare minimum you need to understand the games and can give you other tips too.

>>3542035
honestly I find that too be the most likable characterization of her, if it were true

>>3542332
>defends the needless bogged down exposition at the beginning of the game
>changes the argument from wanting a "shitty narrative" to "its important"

I don't get why you're irradiated because you just flip-flopped, are a woman? Nearly everyone agrees the game is way too slow in the beginning. Apparently you like huge chunks of filler dialogue at the start of your games instead of playing your games. At the very least it could have been put somewhere else in the game.

I think you're arguing for the sake fo arguing, especially with you saying this

>World of Ruin is the only decent part of that game

The first part of FF6 is actually paced incredibly well. You're just really good at being wrong.

>>3543146
>I don't get why you're irradiated because you just flip-flopped, are a woman?
I'm guessing you don't understand a lot of things.

I would say DQVII, nice that the 3ds version cuts a lot of the padding of the original. Weird that Japan doesn't like it too much, my personal favorite DQ.

>>3543146
>This whole post
I'm pondering whether this is some kind of bait or you're just clinically retarded.

>>3542332
>Those "two hours" are simply there to make Claude have his point as a character

That's absurd and you know it. They are simply there, and most of it isn't really about Claude. A lot of it is on the sorcery globe, which had its purpose but they talk about it too much for sure. The intro is exceedingly long and does very little to talk about Claude but is more about the perception of things over time. Claude is tackling with breaking the "rules" and doing what's "right" and the warrior of light is aligned with the notion of it possibly being advanced tech seen as magic. It's rather superfluous as the phase gun runs out of power anyway. It does very little to expand Claudes character as many things are decided for him. The sorcery globe being obviously from space the "prime directive" really doesn't apply, it's his duty to investigate it. So it backtracks on itself. It certainly didn't need to take that long to get going.

>>3542983
SaGa autists are ridiculous, frontier 2 is certainly different, but don't act like its some archaic game that can't be deciphered by a new comer, I beat that shit when i was like 13 years old and didn't know shit about saga mechanics yet, and it wasn't that frustrating.

The only good advice you gave is to go to the saga threads, as frontier is also still a good starting point despite the opinions a few in the vocal minority hold about it.

>>3543334
>I beat that shit when i was like 13 years old and didn't know shit about saga mechanics yet, and it wasn't that frustrating.
Congratulation, you're not the majority of people.

I don't think Anon can deal with learnng a system like that from scratch while having to deal with the game removing or adding characters without warning, having no clear direction nor explanation of mechanics in game and having to deal with many points of no return and a massive difficulty spike in the last dungeon, many people reportedly find that difficult and frustrating.

It's no Romancing SaGa 2 but it's clearly not a game for everyone.