/vr/ - Retro Games

why do you need to stir shit op

DOS and other early PC games are more fun than NES and SNES games

>>3517451
>redundant opinions

Why make an entire thread to state truisms?

totally not a thread I've seen a million and three times on /v/

We could do without.

>>3517451

>atari 2600 was revolutionary, but it is primitive shit and has aged horribly

I thought we all agreed that the 2600 library was shit, and that anyone defending pic related and Pac Man are hardcore contrarians. Point is, it's not unpopular, it's the truth.

Problem with the 2600 is that now we have MAME. Why play a version of Centipede in which everything is a rectangle. There are very few worthwhile home exclusives. Although sometimes the conversions play differently, like Solar Fox.

>>3517469
>DOS and other early PC games are more fun than NES and SNES games
This is really genre dependent.

>>3517451
NES Mario is boring. Mario Bros 1 is fun, but it does get really stale after certain time because of the focus on not-so-complex jump physics. 2 was better, it had more interaction with objects and surroundings and less platforming. 3 also added cool exploration and had interesting variety, but still pure platforming wasn't fun in it. Megaman 2 and 3 are far more enjoyable and have more replayability, as well as Castlevania, because they're not just based around jump simulators. Sonic is by far better physics game than Mario because of "pinball" physics, but it doesn't allow as much exploration.

Doom is total crap. Quake was somewhat better and has great style but the action was even worse (secrets and level design were good though, truly memorable 3D environments). Blood was better than both.

Every Zelda is garbage aside from dungeons.

Your 2600 opinion is not unpopular. Every time I make a 2600 thread it gets a dozen whiny posts.

Mario 1, the jumping control is no good
Mario 2, not really a mario game but ok
Mario 3, Almost perfect, jumping control could be better
World: Perfect
Yoshi's island: blegh won't even play

>unpopular /vr opinions
K, I'll try.

The Sega Saturn was overall the best 5th gen console

Pinball > Video Games

6th gen should be allowed but nothing else ever.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Mario Bros 3 for NES sold > 18m copies OP.

>>3517451
RPGs are garbage.

>>3517575
>JRPGs are garbage
Fix'd that for you friendo

>atari 2600 was revolutionary, but it is primitive shit and has aged horribly

I disagree with half of your statement.

>atari 2600 was revolutionary

This half.

Seriously though, there are some good games on the 2600 despite most of the library being trash. It's not a matter of age, either. Most of those games were obvious trash once you got past the novelty of playing video games in your living room.

>>3517451
>>mario is not fun
I agree if your talking about the NES games. There is nothing really creative or groundbreaking about the games. it's just basic platform jumping with no real thought put into making it more complex.

>>3517513
I got angry about your fps opinions till I read that last bit. Yeah compared to Blood most other fps are total crap. I wish I could go back in time to when I didn't mind build engine mouse input so much.

game gear screen isn't that bad

rgb doesn't make as much difference over s-video on real hardware as the vocal minority and pictures online would like you to believe

Saturn and TG16 are the most expensive consoles to collect for and have the least number of good games out of the major consoles.

all scalers are trash. get a mak or bvm if youre not a poorfag.

put your extra and redundant consoles in the closet fgts, having a bunch of plastic kids toys lying around makes you look both too poor to afford modern consoles and like a manchild.


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>>3517708
>Saturn and TG16 are the most expensive consoles to collect for

>>3517451
>belt-scroller is a perfectly acceptable name for side scrolling beat'em'ups
>shmup sounds like retarded Yiddish, STG is a better term even though it sounds like STD
>PC-FX is a good system for 2d jrpgs and SRPGs
>chronotrigger is a shit game
>hydlide is a great series, except for the music in the NES version and the entire Saturn version

I'm with you on Mario, but I mostly suck at platformers.

The Mega Man X games aren't really that great. Edgier, less inspired version of the original Mega Man with annoying "search for the energy packs and upgrades" aspect.

Sonic Adventure 2 is a boring game with a very uninspired level design and gameplay. Sonic Adventure 1 aged really badly but is actually fun to play.

>>3517590

But Torment isn't a JRPG.

>>3517747
Am i in retro boner thread? I think im.

>Doom & RCT are boring and gay

>Sonic Adventure is on the same level as Mario 64
>Both are better than Crash and Spyro

The Bally Astrocade is the best console of the 70s.

The 2D stealth Wolfensteins > Wolfenstein 3D

Sonic 1-3 would have been more fun if Robotnik was the main character

Castlevania should have been single-screen platformers. Both gameplay styles got it completely wrong.

Zero Wing is the best shooter on the Genesis, and it's a shame that it's associated with "All Your Base".

Chip from Chip's Challenge should have been the mascot of Microsoft, not Master Chief.

Nintendo should have worked with Software Creations instead of Rare in the 90s.

Nintendo should have gone 3rd party...with the N64. They could have done so much more on the Saturn and PStat.

Speaking of which, it's "PStat", not "PS1" or "PSX"

It's pointless to play retro fighting games because modern ones outclass them in every way.

The Atari 2600 controller should have had a stick on both ends, allowing for more complex games with an ergonomic design.

Metal Gear Solid was too dark and serious. There's room for that in video games, but Kojima doesn't have the writing or directing chops for drama. It would have worked better as a comedy.

Tank controls are inherently superior to everything else. It's both more intuitive and more realistic.

The popularity of EarthBound, years after its release, is prove that the world is increasingly becoming infantilized and obsessed with childhood.

It's possible for a game's controls to be too good. Bad controls create a sense of distance between you and the player, which is appropriate in many game storylines.

"Retro" games should only include games released for the NES. Super Mario World was the first modern video game.

1 handed controller + gyroscope > 2 handed controllers

Fallout should have been about preventing nuclear war, not living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Final Fantasy games from 7 onwards should have no magic in them. Changing the name of "magic" to "Materia" doesn't make it any less incongruous to a sci-fi setting.

This entire board is fucking member berries about shitty games that have been fixed and improved upon ten-fold in the past 15 years, but MUH 90's RETRO VIDYA IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT IN MY SHIT LIFE.

Seriously, I love talking about old video games, old hardware, games made in the 80's and 90's that were unique and still fun to play today but jesus christ the Autism on this board sucks the fun out of most of the threads.

>REEEEEEEE

>>3517708
game gear screen is horrible, even recaps. Mcwill's screen is nearly perfect but expensive compared to what a game gear costs.

>>3517712
I said major consoles, neo geo was never a real competitor, they were niche high end equipment.even when they went cd format and cheapened things nobody bought it.

>>3517973
If I ever get to your point where I become a whiner like you, please put a bullet in my head.

>>3517973
> member berries
>>>/reddit/

Mega man 1 sucks and doesn't feel like any other NES MM game.

>>3517469
Neckbeard detected

PC was for autism simulators until DOOM came along

Simulation games and RPGs were unplayable until at least the mid-90s when mouse interfaces became common and you no longer needed to have a fucking cheat sheet just to know how to cast a spell (c? nope, it's z, for ZAP! duh!).

>>3518762
>>3518762
ACTUALLY MM1 IS THE BEST ONE FAG

Rayman 2 is the best 3D platformer ever made

>>3517590
That's hardly a controversial statement.

Apogee was hands down the best publisher between 1990-1995.
Also, Broken Sword 2 > Broken Sword 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSGfuxjjyxI

Western arcade games from the 70s and 80s are better than Japanese arcade games.

JRPGs are rubbish.

Atari ST > Amiga

anything older than the SNES with the exception of the gameboy sucks and should be banned

I think a lot of Commodore 64 & Amiga games are vastly overrated with more awful games than good and are inferior to Japan's contemporaries on the MSX and X68000 machines.

Working Designs localizations are horrifically bad, unfunny, and just don't deserve the near endless fellating they continue to receive. I personally wish those games were re-localized from the ground up.

Westerners can't make Shmups to save their lives. Euroshmups just fucking suck.

Retro Gaming prices fucking suck. Common-ass games like Super Mario 64 should not cost 30 fucking dollars.

The U.S. Phalanx box meme is pretty stale and unfunny at this point, I unironically believe the Japanese & PAL boxes look better

Atari anything gets more shit than deserved here

>>3518986
I don't think being a weeaboo is unpopular here, you're fine.

Why make these threads? It isn't good conversation 9/10. It's also a prevalent thread on shit boards. Don't really understand what's the benefit from it.

>>3517953

I don't think I've ever read anything worse than this

All games should have male lead characters and all female characters should have sex appeal. No strong womyn with buzzcuts and flat tits allowed.

Either you're with gamers or you're with SJWs. If you don't explicitly show your support with gamers, you may as well be a SJW.

>>3519078
Sonygger detected.

>>3518986
Is that Gex? I LOVE GEX!

The SNES western library is overrated as fuck, the jap versions and exclusives are way better. Actually, the japanese version of retro games in general tend to always be better than the american.

>u weeb lol xD

>>3519093
Every culture had better gaming than America. You're not a weeb for thinking nips are better than yanks.

>>3519094
what gaming culture is bigger other than japanese one?

>>3519104
I said better, you fucking moron.

>>3518773
There have been mouse driven interfaces in games since the '80s my ignorant friend.

>>3519112
>you fucking moron
why so rude

>>3519147
>became common

>>3519147
Also you're modern cancer if needing to read a manual for a game is bad.

>>3518773
>PC was for autism simulators until DOOM came along
>mfw

>>3519151
If you don't want to be called a moron you shouldn't act like one.

>>3518869
>Western arcade games from the 70s and 80s are better than Japanese arcade games.

Off the top of my head I can only name Joust. What other western made games do you find superior?

>>3519172
But RPGs and simulations were the main things that the PC did that consoles generally didn't do. Commander Keen is decent, but the consoles of the time had far more great platformers.

>>3519157

The way I see it, the most important thing that an RPG should do is keep you immersed in its world, and/or challenge you, either with combat, dialogue, or puzzles and problem solving. There is nothing more immersion-breaking and frustrating than having to check the manual or reference card constantly to figure out which key does what. The need for memorising tons of key functions should be reduced, either by making the game mechanics more streamlined and simple (like Dragon Quest and other console JRPGs did, so that only 2 buttons were needed), or by keeping the same complex gameplay, but controlled using an intuitive interface that makes good use of the mouse (like western CRPGs did later in the 90s). I don't like the oversimplification of many games today, but so many old computer RPGs have ridiculous controls. I don't mind having to read a manual to learn about the world, the objective of the game, the basic controls, and useful information like what certain items are for, but you shouldn't have to constantly keep referring back to the documentation for controls.

Mice have been around since the 80s and there are occasionally RPGs from before the mid-late 90s that have mouse-based interfaces, so the many that have indecipherable controls really have no excuse.

>>3517961
>Speaking of which, it's "PStat", not "PS1" or "PSX"

wat? This is the first time I have ever seen the abbreviation "PStat". I only had access to NA gaming mags, is it a Euro term?

>>3517951
Figures that a loli Arle fag would have shit taste.

>>3519396
It's because he's making it up.

>>3517451
Atari 2600 became outdated halfway through its cycle.
Good start, quickly gone to shit.

I HATE METAL SLUG. I LIKED IT AT FIRST WHEN I SAW IT AT THE ARCADE. BUT THEN I STARTED TO HATE IT BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING METAL SLUG USES THE EXACT SAME ENGINE/ANIMATIONS/SPIRTES FUCK THAT 30FPS CRAP GAME. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTR NOW, THANK YOU.

>>3518773
>graphical user interface based operating systems didn't exist until Windows 95
Nigger what?

Sierra>LucasArts

>>3519505
I'm talking about games. >>3519391

Obviously I know that there were GUIs before Windows 95, but when it came to PC gaming, especially RPGs, the mouse was really underutilised.

>>3517953
>Sonic Adventure is on the same level as Mario 64
>Both are better than Crash and Spyro
Sorry Robotnik, but I believe in the opposite opinion instead.

>>3517961
(you)

>>3517508
2600 Centipede is fucking god-tier.

>>3517590
>implying RPGs aren't all weeb shit

>>3519197
Literally everything by Atari

>>3519197
Does that really matter? If you can't name 10 US states it doesn't mean there aren't 50.

>>3517747
Yeah that black girl knows what's up

Videogames should 100% be a separate entity from books and films. No dialogue, no chapters/levels, no camera tricks.

Virtual reality is the worst thing that could happen to retro games. Every retro game would have to be completely remade to work in a VR environment.

None of the good Metroid or Zelda games are allowed on /vr/.

The Atari 7800 had the best arcade experiences of any 80s system.

Just as some games are meant to be played in an arcade, or with a certain controller, some games are meant to be played while high.

Every bad game is good and every good game is bad.

Shaq-Fu is not a good fighting game, but the disproportionate hate it gets is entirely due to racism.

>>3519904
Dude weed lmao

Why is disliking Shaq-Fu racist? Why do googles call everything they don't like racist? Is it because whites usually give you things to appease you when you do? Like a baby that screams and cries until it gets what it wants.

Collecting is for fucking retards

>>3519910
Any criticism of anything connected to black ppl is called racist
>black guy acts retarded
Damn what a tard
>RACISSS

>>3519910

There are many bad fighting games out there. But there's one game in particular that people literally want to destroy every copy of, and it's the one with a black main character. There's a primal hatred for Shaq-Fu that you don't see with Ballz 3D or Brutal: Paws of Fury or Street Combat.

>>3519949
Thats weird cause youd think hipsters would play shaq fu ironically for theluls

>>3519904
>no good zelda games allowed on /vr/
This has to be bait

>>3519084
go back to réddit and kill yourself.

>>3519949
So it should be cherished just because there's a google on it?

>>3517961
You took all that time to write that. Damn, that's sad.