/vr/ - Retro Games

"Cinematic" platformers are worse.

Cease.

>>3513035
Adventure games
>cliché stories that try to mimic books and movies
>boring "gameplay" - if you even can call it that
>overrated by a small elitist autistic fanbase

No wonder the genre died.

>>3513040
Prince of Persia is genuinely great though

/v2k when

Is there a worse retro genre than FPS?
>cliché stories & sophomoric writing
>repetitive, banal "game" design
>overrated by autistic americans

Beat 'em up comes to mind... Boring as hell fighting games where the screen slowly scrolls to to right and the "fighting" mechanics are usually god-awful. There are some exceptions, like the Ninja Turtles game on SNES.

And what's the deal with Shmups? It's like they are not really a genre but rather one game that is cloned over and over. If you've played one vertical Shmup and one horizontal, then you've played them all. Variance consists of differently colored laser weapons for your spacecraft / helicopter / jet / hover scooter / superhero.

Is there a worse retro genre than belt scrollers?

>cliché stories & sophomoric writing
>repetitive, banal "game" design
>overrated by autistic weebs

No wonder the genre died.

>>3513045
At least adventure games don't force you to fight the same monsters ad infinitum to make your character marginally stronger.

I'd say shoot 'em ups are the worst, yeah
FPS' and fighting games don't have enough variety either

Is there a worse website than 4chan?

>cliché opinions & sophomoric writing
>repetitive, banal "everyone takes the bait while ignoring other meaningful topics of conversation" threads
>overrated by autistic weebs

No wonder the website went to shit.

JRPGs are the lowest common denominator.

>>3513035
Heh heh, he said anal, heh heh heh heh.

Ah. Always good to see this thread again and again. Makes me feel like I'm on /v/.

>>3513040
Tomb Raider 1 is great

>>3513035
Retro games are a shit genre.

Prove me wrong.

>>3513058
>There are some exceptions, like the Ninja Turtles game on SNES.

Ninja Turtles is one of the worst beat em ups ever made as far as mechanics go you shit for brains. Konami beat em ups suck shit in general

>>3513035
It's funny you post Neverhood, because I think Point n Click adventures have always been terrible wastes of time.

Obtuse puzzle design for the sake of game longevity is NOT good game design, and those games have the most retarded contrivied solutions to the puzzles.
It was successful at the time literally because there was nothing else like it, but it's shit and the worst genre by far, even with their fun characters, story and generally great OST.

>>3513114

t. Parroter of meme opinions.

I bet you also go around pretending Ikaruga isn't one of the greatest STGs.

>>3513114
>feeding a dog chocolate
Oh shit nigga what are you doing?

>>3513116
>I LOVE GARBAGE LIKE LIFE IS STRANGE AND WALKING DEAD BECAUSE I SUCKED SO MANY DICKS I CAN'T EVEN EAT HOT DOGS ANYMORE WITHOUT REMINDING MYSELF OF ALL THOSE HOT AIDS LOADS

McFucking kill yourself.

>>3513123
No it's my legit opinion

Lots of bad beat em ups rely on cheap trick design and flat levels.

>>3513126
Those are shit too, and it's a subgenre of this fucking disaster of a genre that is point n click.
They are essentially the same thing, one has shit puzzle the other has forgotten entirely what is gameplay.

Bullet hells.

>>3513132
My god what do you consider good gameplay you fucking homo

Shitty third person cover based shooters like Uncharted or Gears? Cause that's the alternative walking simulator

>>3513116
>puzzles that make you think are somehow bad
>oh, but grinding stats is good game design!

>>3513116
I liked some monkey island games, mostly for their humour though
looking back, they weren't very good games

>>3513035
why you gotta shitpost with klayman, that ain't cool

>>3513143
Seriously go back to /v/ already. If you're not going to have any discussion that is the board that is meant for you.

>>3513153
Crybaby bitch gets BTFO because he can't provide a good alternative to solving puzzles in an adventure game

THEN inconsistently says Walking Dead and Life is Strange are bad games even though they try to remove the puzzle element entirely

So which is it

>>3513143
2d platformer, 2d action adventures, racing, FPSs, stealth, GDR... you know stuff.

I played Gears 1 and 2 and they were decent games, Uncharted is offensively bad though.

>>3513145
>make you think
>use this thing to this completely unrelated place to trigger event

Yup, totally good game design. It's arbitrarily based on what the director thought without any regard to the player.

>>3513146
I think Monkey Island 2 and Grim Fandango are the best solely because they have genuinely good characters and humor, but the gameplay it's atrocious in all of them no exception (not that I played at least, and I played most of the classics)

>>3513160
I'm not him, and for the record the answer is none. The genre as it is has no valuable place in gaming.

>>3513160
they're both shit
maybe slightly less shit than VNs, but still godawful

>>3513169
>>3513167
I don't know what your shitty favorite game is, but I'd rather play Grim Fandango any day of the fucking week over your favorite garbage

>>3513145

>OP was australia-kun all along

Who would have guessed.

Rangeban this idiot already, he's responsible for a big chunk of /vr/ shitposting.

>>3513174
>he took the watamote image.jpg = Australia-kun bait

It's just too easy with you autists.

>>3513173

Grim Fandango is a horrible example of puzzle design, it's all cryptic on purpose to make you either look out on a guide, or exhaust all possibilities like old Sierra adventure games because they're not cleverly designed, they're just random. It's a known critic to the game, so don't even try to come up with anything. And I say this as someone who likes Grim Fandango for the art and aesthetics, plot and characters, but the game design is not one of the best examples you could have picked.

Do you really like adventure games or you're just trying to bait as many people as you can?

>>3513182

It wouldn't be the first time Australia-kun shitposts about JRPGs.

Also it's very ironic that you call others autists.

>>3513187
Except I'm not Australia-kun, I just find it funny you shit your pants over him.

>>3513194

>b-but I'm not australia-kun

>>3513196
>hurfdurf they both hate JRPG
>therefore same person xD

This sort of black-and-white thinking is a common trait of autism.

text adventure games are worse in my opinion but this is from the perspective of someone that grew up with graphics.

>>3513185
>>3513167
>>3513146
>>3513132
>>3513116
I suspect you guys aren't very good at puzzles, and definitely aren't very good at analyzing puzzles. Like, do you think you can judge puzzle design by looking at a walkthrough or something? Of course bad puzzles exist (and I would say Grim Fandango has some) but there are many excellent ones in the genre.

The problem is that a good puzzle is like a good joke. The player has to follow along with the setup to get the payoff. On some level you have to "get it" in your head, and trying to explain the subtle clues and hints to someone else isn't likely to make them change their mind.

>>3513198

It's so obvious it's you. You're here every day and sometimes you don't even sleep. Posting the same shitty bait and pics all the time.
If you weren't him, you wouldn't have replied. You replied because you care about people calling you out. And even if you aren't him, you're just as bad since you use his pics so you're familiar with the resident /vr/ shitposters and spread their autism.

Again, funny thing you call others autists.

>>3513205
>Of course bad puzzles exist (and I would say Grim Fandango has some)

And that was my point (>>3513185 here).

I love GF but it's definitely not an example of a game with well-designed puzzles. That guy is just using random popular games he has seen on lists to use as shitposting ammunition. He knows shit about puzzles or games in general.

>>3513204
Text adventures always have shitty parsers that are never clear on the inputs

>>3513208
>and sometimes you don't even sleep

Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it's because your autism can't let you tell the difference between us.

Just give up, Sherlock. I'm not even British or Australian.

>>3513217

Nah, stralya has pulled shitposting marathons for certain threads. Guy has some stamina when it comes to shitposting.

>>3513215
>shitty parsers
>never clear on the inputs
You know what's clear? Reading the fucking manual, which teaches you the syntax and usually even provides a list of most of the useful actions in the game. Infocom games have excellent parsers, the problem is that retards go "hurrdurr why can't I type in regular English" instead of understanding that it's a command prompt and should be treated as such. lern2play, basically.

>>3513217

The fact you keep denying it just reveals you more. Just don't reply. You want to "troll" the "autists", right? Let them think you're australia-kun, then. It's not really a big difference anyway, you behave the same way.

You're really awkward if you think saying "i'm not him!" it's gonna make you sound believable.

>>3513225
>Infocom games have excellent parsers
hehe

>>3513226
I'm really not him though. I do like his funposting style however, it's quite amusing to say the least.

I'm sorry if he or my posts have triggered you in the past, they were all meant in good spirit, I'm sure.

>>3513205
>I suspect you guys aren't very good at puzzles

depends on the puzzle
even the block puzzles in tomb raider were more interesting than the ones in point and click "games"
clicking on every item in your inventory to see which one of them does anything is the equivalent of throwing shit on the wall and hoping something sticks

>>3513225
Nope, sorry. Text adventures are more frustrating than the worst of the Sierra stuff. What works in one game is so frustratingly inconsistent with others it's fucking infuriating.

Plus art wise in a 2D game, developers know how to make unimportant shit, well, unimportant.

Poor descriptions are a killer and figuring out what is and isn't important is frustrating to decipher

>>3513236
>I'm really not him
>but let me talk to you about how I think he is actually fun instead of retarded

Yeah australia, whatever you say.

>>3513245
He's not retarded, just has unusual taste, and seems like a Golden Age veteran.

>>3513269

>a Golden Age veteran

I'd call him an old fuck with horrid shitposting habits and hyperbolic, autistic opinions on everything.

Come on australia, nobody is gonna see you as anything else other than one autistic shitposter.

>>3513285
Australia did nothing wrong.

>>3513237
>I had to resort to brute force, so that means brute force is the only way to solve this
You're right, that is a shitty way to play games, I agree.

>>3513304
the puzzles are so shit most of the time you'll end up doing that sooner or later

>>3513035
>sophomoric
>banal
>cliché

fuck off OP

>>3513058
Shmups are different if you're going for high scored. At casual level - yes, they're mostly the same. Still, I can't say it's bad.

>>3513045
>No wonder the genre died.
Uhhhhh...

>>3513035

>>3513369
This. Newer shmups have intricate and complex scoring systems that set them apart from the others, like Radiant Silvergun and Mars Matrix.

>>3513375

>kickstarter that has been in development and publishing hell for years

Uhhhh...

>>3513035
we had this thread yesterday

>>3513072
vanilla FPS is dull. story driven FPS is a thing of beauty. and the genre keeps growing. now we have arena shooters, like Battleborn and Overwatch, and RPG shooters like Borderlands

>>3513481
Harlefags, Kattfags, and other waifufag scum on suicide watch.

>>3513498
sorry not yet

>>3513456
Armikrog has been out for months, dude.

>>3513116
>contrivied solutions
More like creative, next time use your imagination

Oh darn, this is the new overrated games general, isn't it? Rats. I really like JRPGs, so a constantly-reposted thread like this is sure to get on my nerves.

>>3513040
>Oddworld
>Another World
>Prince of Persia 1 and 2
Fuck offfffff.

>>3513552
Maybe if you try hard enough, you can persuade the mods to consider it spam because the OP has opinions that differ from your shitty tastes.

>>3513558

Like, you can try all you want to get me annoyed, but the bottom line is that writing off an entire genre as "shit" is all it takes to out yourself as a fag who's experienced maybe .01% of what it has to offer.

>>3513560
Yeah yeah, muh exceptions to the rule and all that. Go fuck yourself, kiddo.

JRPGs are great, though. They've got way more variety than almost any other genre. Just because the core gameplay seems the same to you doesn't mean they're not varied.

>>3513582
JRPGs are the textbook definition of cookie-cutter.

>>3513584

Nuh uh.

>>3513623
Ys are action/rpg games, not jrpgs, you retard.

>>3513623

>[x] done right/wrong

As always, your visual design skills are really impressive for a mentally handicapped

>>3513667
*tips fedora*

>>3513623

Falcom's games are overrated as fuck

>>3513659
Thats why its better, cunt. Its only 50% RPG, thus only 50% cancer.

WRPG's > JRPG's

>>3513045
TellTale Games would like to have a word with you...

>>3513076
You've been here for a while.

>>3514009

>Torment
>Ludo

It's a fucking visual novel with the worst possible combat on an RPG.

>>3514170
What makes the battle engin so bad in PST? Always see this complaint tossed around the internet, but I personally never had much issue with it.

>>3513035
FPS is the worst fucking genre and you know it. There shouldn't have been a fps beyond the 90's because all of them are the same fucking game.

>>3514397
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament prove your assertion wrong.

>>3514386
It's not the engine, it's the difficulty. It's absurdly easy and all the cool awesome shit that should be happening on a plane filled with immortals of every flavor doesn't happen nearly as much as it should.

>>3513085
Literally anything in this thread that's not this guy is fully autistic. Myself included.

>>3514397
Serious Sam and Borderlands called.

>>3514447
Heh

Stealth games.

>you're rewarded for waiting and passivity

>>3515394
I dunno, I like Thief and Forbidden Siren (not retro though)

>>3515404
>Siren
Annoying as fuck game, especially when you have to escort a terrible AI partner.

>I hate your opinion: The thread

Ok

>>3515431
It's not hipster to hate JRPG's, it's hipster to like them. The reason they died is because they're simply unpopular.

>>3515443
everyone on /vr/ is hipster

everyone

>>3513035
I don't think there is anything I hate more than booting up a game or rom and seeing a space ship/magical girl/mecha/whatever flying around.

I despise shoot em up games.

>>3515464
y tho

>>3513035
JRPGs are trash.

>>3515482
I'm probably too scrubby for them.
They seem well made and the fans of the genre are really, REALLY into them. But I just never "got" it. Just a taste I've had since childhood.

>>3515493
There's nothing really to "get", either you like blowing up sci-fi stuff or you don't I guess

>>3515502
In modern shooters you do more dodging than blowing up.

>>3515505
The genre has always been more about dodging than shooting.

If you want to actually aim, play FPS.

>>3515431

Sadly /vr has gone down the dark path where simply starting a thread with an interesting topic is not the way to generate discussion. Instead, you need to phrase your topic in an aggressive, "Opinion A vs Opinion B" style.

For instance, say an unreleased game gets leaked. A thread saying "Check out this game. It was cancelled 20 years ago and is now online to the first time" will not be as effective as a thread that states "Hahaha, wow, no wonder this crap was cancelled. Yet another shitty Western platformer for the Genesis. TFW no-taste Sega fags will defend this."

>>3514417
>>3514447

Same stupid shit.

>>3513623
FFV at least has some customization
My favorite JRPG is probably Dragon Quest III. Has very customizable blank slate characters, a big open world where you mainly do side quests (I like FF3NES but it's extremely linear) and fun towns and NPCs.

>>3516501
That's something that always has bothered me about FF6 and beyond. FF got pretentious in the whole "WOOOOOOOOOOOOO, RELIGION" in some elements, and FF7 really dropped the ball.

But my personal distastes aside, I don't like how the characters are in FF6 in terms of customization. I mean...the magic system is really neat, and same with FF7, but these are characters which you're still encouraged to play to their strengths. I think with the FF6 system, and blank slate characters in the same vein of FF3, it'd something great. Of course I'd balance it though to where there's different kind of magics, or passive abilities that the items give. And with each threshold passed, you have to grind a bit more to learn a new type of magic, or a new kind of ability that increases stats, or whatever. But maybe have a reward, where with grinding you can you can have characters that yield hybrid magic. So you can become a samurai white geomancer if you're willing to grind.

The deeper you go into a school of magic, the harder it is to learn new schools.

The only thing I dislike about JRPGs and point and click adventure games is that they attract the wrong kind of people to video games. People who are more interested in story than gameplay.

I think the actual games themselves are a reasonable diversion though.

>>3516693
>People who are more interested in story than gameplay.
This.

Storyfags are the true cancer to videogames.

The worst is sports games.

>muh plots
JRPGs are not about the story, they're about theme park exploration, watching your party grow, seeking out new locales, assets, enemies and bosses to pit your guys against. Good writing and gameplay gimmicks are definite pluses, but are secondary to good design that keeps you wanting to progress to see what lies beyond that next town. The early FFs and DQs still hold up despite having next to no plot.

Are JRPGs for everyone? No. Is it a bad concept in and of itself? No. "The only real games are 80s arcade carpal tunnel syndrome simulators because challenge!!!" meme is so dumb. Sometimes what you want from a game is to just kick back and kill some slimes.

You all are completely retarded for playing videogames. Like fuck, get a life you fat shitheads, jesus.

>>3518028
nah

>>3518040
I genuinely don't know any JRPG with at least decent writing. Not a single one, and I like some of them like Dragon Quest and SMT.

They are about numbers going up, relaxing/good OSTs and general atmosphere, that's it.

>>3516693
There are plenty of adventure games that are not story-heavy. It's actually kind of annoying that a lot of people talk like story was always the point of these games, completely ignoring that the genre started with a game (and many successors) that were about exploring a dungeon and solving puzzles, with barely anything to the story other than "get the treasure".

Now the way people talk you'd think cutscenes and dialogue were always the main point.

>>3513045
I actually take a huge issue with adventure games for different reasons. They rely on manipulation of interactive level elements, but the "puzzles" that exist are ridiculously situational, convoluted, and largely based around the perspective of the developer and not the gamer.

But I love their stories.

>>3518489
Upon reading the rest of the thread, I see that this point has been addressed, largely as a "gamers who like story are the wrong audience" and "gamers who don't get puzzles, don't get puzzles".

While I can understand these sentiments somewhat, I came to RPGs after playing score-chasing, platforming, and arcade-style games in my youth, so I think that's largely a generalization. Second, there are numerous examples of bad puzzle design in adventure games, though I will admit that I have tried to enter the genre from multiple angles and found myself roadblocked by mediocre video games rather than playing "exceptional" examples. I think a number of modern adventure games rely much too heavily on the precedent given by their ancestors, and utilize an over-abundance of interactive elements for the sake of "expanding on the story" rather than making concise, environmental puzzles.

Hell, I love puzzles. But adventure games add a needless coating of context to the whole affair.

>>3518056
this and most of the kunio kun ones justify the genre for me.

>>3513070
No, they force you to rub everything in your pocket against everything on screen, wich isn't all that different

is this the jrpg thread
which one should i play

>>3521437
Neither are really that good tbqh, but I guess FF7 to see what the hubbub is.

The fact that so many forums still name Final Fantasy VII as “the greatest or most significant or most influential” JRPG ever only tells you how far JRPGs still are from becoming a serious art. WRPG critics have long recognized that the greatest WRPG video games of all times are Baldur's Gate and Fallout, who were not the most famous or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Roguelike critics rank the highly controversial Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup over roguelikes that were highly popular on computers around the world. JRPG critics are still blinded by commercial success. Final Fantasy VII sold more than anything else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. WRPG critics grow up playing to a lot of WRPG games of the past, roguelike critics grow up playing a lot of roguelikes of the past. JRPG critics are often totally ignorant of the JRPGs of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Final Fantasy VII did anything worthy of being saved.

>>3521531
RPGcodex is full of people who would put FFVII worshipers to shame.

>>3521531
nice try piero

>>>/mu/

>>3518081
I don't know of any game with good writing.

>>3522073

>>3522086
>not even the Hebrew version of the old Testament
Into the trash.

>>3522086
>Bible
>good writing

>>3513035
I like how it's always the same. My life is horrible and its a small piece of my life that is consistent and always comfortable

Every single stupid faggot who says "video games don't have good writing" is on par with dumbasses that unironically think The Great Gatsby is a good example of literature and wouldn't be able to name three relevant contemporary authors without googling it.

>>3522165
I guess not everyone has the intellect needed to appreciate literature, as opposed to this.

>>3522073
Torment is good

>>3522073
Check out Discworld and SNES ShadowRun.

>>3513109
OK, easily done:

>>3516693
That's like saying you hate Stanley Kubrick because he's more into stories than action and explosions.

Even fighting games have stories anon.

>>3525406
Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important.

>>3525983
This comparison doesn't work for me, because the best porn has to have a certain set up. You can't go straight to to the fucking, my dick won't be too happy about that

>>3522463
*lol*

>>3521531
>WRPG critics have long recognized that the greatest WRPG video games of all times is savescummy no-gamey visual dad jokes compendium.

>>3513517
Really buggy at release though.

>>3526242
>confuses dark humor with dad jokes

>this entire thread

Xenogears disc 2 is better than disc 1 because it's a VN instead of a jRPG.

>>3513035
Nope. Slant anything is usually shit. The 80s and some of the 90s were when they emulated Western and were decent. Too bad Western is shit compared to that time too.

>>3526225
agreed. have a (you)