/vr/ - Retro Games

>n64
>good

But what gave it that retro feel, now that the dust has settled, OP?

>>3508468
I never played it, what made it good?

>>3508481
Unique elemental magic system and unique combat system. That's about it.

Quest 64 was
PATPATPATPATPATPATPATPATPAT
PATPATPATPATPATPATPATPATPAT
PATPATPATPATPATPATPATPATPAT

>>3508468

What a boring looking build. Put all those points into rock and fuck some shit up.

>>3508468
I actually have a weird relationship with this game. I got it when I was a kid because it looked cool, and the whole time my older brothers were making fun of me for picking such a shitty game.

The game might not be too great, but I ended up forcing myself to love it just so I didn't have to admit that I picked a bad game.

I've played through this game probably twice now, and I don't regret it. At the same time, I don't really plan on playing it again.

>>3508492
Define how it was unique. That can be good or bad.

>>3508468
No it wasn't. Quest 64 was fucking horrible. The gameplay is bland and uninspired and the music is the worst in a video game.

>>3508468
I found it fun to run around in, but that's about it.

N64 had like what? 5 RPGS in total?

>>3508468
Had potential? Yes, definitely. Good? Not by a long shot.

Game needed more time in the oven. I feel like some aspects of the game were not designed well (magic being broken) just because the devs didn't properly balance it.

I enjoyed Quest RPG for GBC. How does the N64 game compare to it?

>>3508610
GBC game is passable. N64 is not.

People shit on PS1, and look at this garbage.

>>3508614
>N64 is not

And why is that?

>>3508518
I would rent this often because it was just standing there looking lonely most of the time. I think I'm the only guy who rented it. Like you I learned to like it. It's not a good game but I have a connection to it.

>>3508621
Here are my thoughts: >>3508609

To elaborate on why I don't like it, some of the magic is outright worthless. If it was balanced or all of the magic had a strength somewhere, it would be cool. But it's not. If you're a first time player, you might end up wasting time leveling up elementals that you don't even know are worthless.

The battle system is a bit fun (ignoring the unbalanced magic bit) and could have actually saved the game had they spent more time fleshing it out.

>>3508545
Why are you fucking lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al7xDnOYnjA

>>3508651
> thinking that awful midi sounds good

>>3508475
Look at this guy

>>3508635
All the types of magic are good though what are you talking about?

You'll only see some of them suck if you level them all equally, if you pick one or two and stick with them they'll absolutely be strong enough to compete with any other element.

Water was disproportionately useful because it could heal and attack at the same time though.

Which was shittier? Quest 64 or Aidan chronicles?

>>3508651
Reminds me of Bubsy.

Anyone know if this is worth checking out?

>>3508679
Aidan Chronicles is almost actually unplayable

>>3508696

Yes, if you feel like playing something different and that works. Magic system is balanced and the graphics look fine. Story is kinda bland. Doesn't need any grind. Enemies all have different abilities which makes it fun fighting them.

>>3508697
Damn.. Cuz that's the one I own. Welp back to collecting dust it goes

>>3508598
More than dreamcast

>>3508760
>Grandia II
>Skies of Arcadia
>Record of Lodoss War
>PSO

nah man, nah

>>3508764
>argument that dreamcast had less than 5 rpgs
>posts 4
>only proves his point

>>3508805
still twice as many as N64, lol

>>3508807
This. Can't think of anything on N64 besides Quest 64 and Pooper Merrio, the former being shit and the latter being a downgrade of SMRPG.

It's not bad at all, it's just unfinished and it shows.

Zool, made by the same company, was a much better RPG (with monster collectan mechanics), but only released in Japan.

>>3508821
ZOOOOOOOOL
MOTHAFUCKAAAAAAA
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>3508810
Mystical Ninja Goemon is so good though.

>>3508859
Isn't that a 3D platformer like Mario 64

>>3508810
Hybrid Heaven and Ogre Battle 64.

>>3508864
>Hybrid Heaven
Never played, it any good?

>Ogre Battle 64.
Pretty sure that's a tactics game.

>>3508862
I think it has enough rpg elements in it to be called a rpg. I just wish the second Goemon titlle would go on the same direction, maybe with more rpg elements instead of what they did.

>>3508859
>>3508862
>>3508880

It's more of an action-adventure game, and it has a lot of platforming. Wouldn't call it an RPG.

N64 has some more RPGs, but most of them are japan-only.

Time to clear up some disinfo getting spread around ITT.

>>3508907

That's kind of weird, it includes games like Pokemon Stadium but not Shiren 2?
It's also missing Zool which was already posted itt.

Also how are these Eldorado games on DC? There's a whole lot of them!

>>3508921
Shiren series are roguelikes, no idea about Zool.

>>3508932

Roguelike is a subgenre of role-playing video games

Shiren is more of an RPG than Pokemon Stadium is.

Zool is more of a traditional RPG with monster collecting elements like DQM and SMT.

>>3508932

It says "RPG" right on the cover, bottom-right.

>>3508660
Everything was fucking midi in those years you fucking piece of shit.
It might be a bad game but dude, it doesen´t sound bad. It´s a cheesy loveable sound.

>>3508468
Dude the spells sucked ass, Once you got magic barrier you won, and the story is absolute garbage.

>>3508876
>Never played, it any good?
Didn't play it myself in all honesty, but what I saw of it is a really interesting fusion between RPG and fighting/wrestling game mechanics.

Anyways regarding Quest 64, read it and weep:
https://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/quest-64-holy-magic-century-eltale-beta/

>>3508651
I have a soft spot for Quest 64 but honestly this song is a fucking joke.

>>3508468
Now that a semi-popular Youtuber has reviewed it, we must collectively conform to his opinion, or purposely form a counter opinion out of sheer spite.
The moral here is that you can't actually like anything.

>>3509242
He said "awful midi", you retard. As in, that MIDI is shit, not that all MIDIs are shit.
And I gotta agree, that noise is terrible.

>>3509305
>You only disagree or agree cause someone made a video about it, not because that's what people do!

wowzers

>>3508651
why did they go with circus music for a field

Just started it up for the first time.
Found 2 spirits and barely escaped from dogs, with tiny bit of health left.
How do I cast?

>>3510536
Google for a pdf of the game manual or something, jesus christ.

so ...this is the power of n64 RPGs...shieeet

I remember when people were saying there was only one RPG on the N64 and it sucked. So yeah.

>>3510649
>Ogre Battle

>>3508468
>Fuck you, my mommy bought me Quest 64 for my birthday and I forced myself to love it because I had no perspective and couldn't afford my own games, and now I have a strong nostalgia for it which is misappropriated for actual quality.
Fixed.

>>3509663

Suck my dick you fat bastard.
It doesn´t sound fucking ear-rapy like some genesis games or some shit to say "arghh mommy i hate thiiss Dx !!". Fuck off.
If the quest 64 midi soundtrack makes you feel uncomfortable then you basically hate all kinds of midi. That´s a fact.
Fucking edgelords on this board hating on such basic and simple things.

>>3508468
is there any game out there that uses final fantasy II's levelling system and isn't divisive? (or hated in quest 64's case)

>>3510719
So... does that make it "pretend" happiness?

I got halfway and then somehow lost my bearings and doubled back for way too long.
Didn't notice because everything blended together.

Dropped the game at that point. And it was boring.

>>3510934
kid just went full sperg. people can dislike the things you like.

Quest 64 is a slog of a game.

>>3510649
There was Paper Mario.
But it was a big letdown coming from Super Mario RPG.

>>3511005
Probably the best you're gonna get.

They could've done anythng to make Travelling faster and it would've been better. like, a spell that made you walk faster or anything.

I'll never understand why Aidyn Chronicles was shat on too.
Great RPG.

>>3511106
>it was a big letdown coming from Super Mario RPG.
I personally thought it was a big step up from Mario RPG in most aspects, but hey opinions.

>>3513186
>I like shitty graffix and overworld design for kids instead of cutting edge 3D on the SNES and one of the most realized overworlds Square ever made

>>3513203
>I like shitty graffix
Nah, Paper Mario's style personally has aged much better than the crappy looking DKC-esque prerendered style of SMRPG.

>overworld design for kids
I don't see how it's really any different from SMRPGs as well, aside from not being Sanic 3D isometric I guess.

>>3513203
>>3513238

>SMRPG vs Paper Mario shitposting

You retards will argue about anything

>>3513248
Paper Mario is more Miyamoto garbage rehashing

Super Mario RPG is a stylized and unique setting with some great set pieces (the sword in the castle is fucking amazing looking)

>>3513256

I don't know what you mean with Miyamoto rehashing, it's an Intelligent Systems game.

And yeah I like SMRPG as well.

>>3513256
Agreed on PM64, but TTYD has some great locales and wonderful combat.

TTYD > SMRPG > SSS > BiS > PM64 > PJ > DT > PiT

>>3513261
>I don't know what you mean with Miyamoto rehashing, it's an Intelligent Systems game.

With designs approved by Miyamoto. Which is why every shitty character is just another variant of a goomba, koopa or a ghost

who designes the battle system for super mario RPG anyway?
I'm surprised square didn't reuse it for some of their games

>>3513268
designed*

>>3513256
>Paper Mario is more Miyamoto garbage rehashing
Nah, I thought the whole SMB3 styled stage play aspect to it was a lot more unique than SMRPG's "generic Squaresoft game with Mario characters slapped in".

>>3513263
>Which is why every shitty character is just another variant of a goomba, koopa or a ghost
Still more fitting for the series than SMRPG's "animu characters in Mario artstyle" aspect

>>3513263

I didn't have a problem with that, each character had their own personality even though they were from the same "tribe", also there were more than just these 3 types: penguins, yoshi, shyguys, etc.
It just seems like you want to hate the game for the sake of hating it and saying SMRPG is better according to your tastes.

>>3513279
SMRPG just has a different style to it. Legitimately foreboding or creepy at points. The Paper Mario series never ever has these moments and it feels like they were legitimately designed for children

This part early on in SMRPG where you can look at the castle and it's like you're looking at hell

>>3513291

Paper Mario has a murder mystery chapter where they accuse Mario of being the murder.

Anyway, both are "designed for children" as in they don't have actual adult themes, but they aren't "for kids only" either, they're fun and have fun writing if you're not an edgelord who needs angst all the time, they have some funny humor I appreciated as an adult.

>>3513275
>generic Squaresoft game with Mario characters slapped in
How many Square games make use of timed hits in battles? Lol

>>3508545
i really don't understand why so many people don't like quest 64
when i was a kick, i genuinely enjoyed it when i rented it
played and beat it on an emulator a couple years ago, and it was still fun

>>3508610
the gb version is just a 2d version of q64

>>3513951
>when i was a kick
even a fucking shoe knows this game is good

I got to the first or second area without a memory card. (whichever was after that guy with the axe in the forest)

Then my mom turned off my n64 and I never forgave her.

Quest 64 is probably my least favorite game of all time, got it because I loved RPG and story lines and ended up hating the combat, there is no story and I though the music was bland and uninspired.

I actually used a Gameshark to beat it just to see if it went anywhere, it didn't.

To be fair I was probably 15 at the time and have not played it since so I could be completely off base but I'm not going back to it.

This and Hybrid Heaven are still my personal favorite kusoge

It's not good--too poorly balanced and lacking features to be called good.

It still manages to be kind of fun though, and the music was very good for being awful midi shit.

>>3511014
No. Happiness has nothing to do with quality. Bad games can still make you happy. That's what nostalgia is.

I remember when it was called Holy Magic Century and was hyped as the new Zelda.

>>3508651
Sounds like something you'd hear in Puzzle Bobble

Quest 64 was sold as the first rpg for the n64, and did no good job filling that spot.

The idea in itself wasn't all that bad, but all in all it's just a boring game with emtpy maps and redundant gameplay. If someone would recommend me this game and i wouldn't know what i was in for a would be pretty pissed

>grindfest
>don't get it

If you want a somewhat insight into what the game is about here's a vid which brings up some good points imho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6lzitHLfMM

is the gbc version better?

>>3508468
I agree. It was fun, the magic system was unique, and the soundtrack was good.

>>3508468

I rented this when I was borrowing a friend's 64 for a weekend. I liked it as a kid. I was so scared of dying because I couldnt save. I think you needed a memory pack. Still was able to finish it. I was kind of disappointed it was so short. I remember renting phantasy star 4 every weekend for almost 2 months (I had to make a mark on the cartrage so I knew which one had my save file. I'm really lucky they kept the actual games on the shelf in a clear case)

Should probably try it again, but watching a youtube review of it, it looks like it doesnt hold up very well.

>>3515484
I enjoy a good little story like that.
fuck...childhood man.