/vr/ - Retro Games

PuLiRuLa is the quintessential quirky japanese belt scroller/beat 'em up. It reminds me of the simpson games, kinda.

Webm related is the best elevator stage ever.

>>3447795
Those are some cheap throws

>>3449774
what bad ass game is this?

>>3449774
Sauce?

>>3449860
>>3449870

Elevator Action Returns

>>3449774
>>3449860
>>3449870
Pretty sure that is Elevator Actions Returns. You might know one of it's predecessors, Dexter's Laboratory: Robot Rampage.

>>3449872
>Elevator Action Returns
$300+ on ebay BAKA. I'm guessing it's a sequel to the NES game?

>>3447819

What game is that? Graphics look amazing for Playstation. Even has moving mouths. Few games have those.

>>3447848
This is a blue board.

>>3449879
Aconcagua

>>3447795
I prefer this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vs_9swh0Rc

>>3452283

it's good but it doesn't have the same impact as throwing enemies through glasses.
I also don't like that you aren't fighting while the elevator is scrolling up. It stop for the action.

>>3452680
This looks too good to be an actual Atari game.

>>3447764
And I have to ask for sauce.

>>3452707
>And I have to ask for sauce.

Pulirula, an arcade game by Taito (had many console ports as well)

>>3452563
>>3452570
I see people complain that Quake is inferior due to you fighting single enemies as opposed to hordes in Doom, but how can you say that after seeing the evidence of good level design?

>>3452680
>>3452692
It is. It's the most advanced Atari 2600 game.

>>3453165
In general you want to ignore /vr/'s "opinion" about FPS (doom memer opinion). It's pretty much a complete joke. Every FPS has its own strengths/weaknesses and is enjoyable for different reasons, but this doesn't register with the doom babbies because their gameplay ability is severely gimped.

>>3453165
I can't bring myself to show interest in this game. I enjoyed Doom 1 and 2, I love Quake 2, but Quake and Quake 3 do nothing to me. Maybe it's these gameplay videos. To people that played the game it probably looks like examples of skill. To someone that hasn't, it looks like the game is retardedly simple and forgettable.

This is the most addictive retro game I've played in a while, even though objectively it's shit.

>>3453464

>"the last attract screen looked ridiculous, but we'll get it right this time, I promise"
>repeat 5 times

>>3450472
So pretty, what's this?

>>3453479
Huh this is kinda like a proto-City Connection

>>3450472
>>3453528
This isn't genocide 2, is it?

>>3453528
>>3453575
Mad Stalker

>>3453528
>>3453575
Mad Stalker (PC Engine CD)

>>3453448
>Quake and Quake 3 don't require skill
>Doom and Quake 2 do
You are hilariously imbecilic. The original Doom games in particular are brain dead as all fuck on anything apart from Nightmare and I know for a fact your dumbass can't run those games on that difficulty. At best, all you can do is run around and shoot dumbass lumbering imps that pose zero threat with a shotgun and feel special about it. I suggest you log onto Quake Live right now and see what happens to you, even on public servers.

And no, those webms aren't really a demonstration of 'skill', just fun little gameplay examples. This is however:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhzXKMqZBBc

Doom will never be as mechanically rich a game that Quake is no matter how hard your idiotic doom babby ass tries to meme. The fact that you don't understand this is yet another indication of how pathetically clueless your "opinion" is regarding FPS. Go back to Halo where you came from kiddo.

>>3453610
Bless you, sweet anon.

>>3453852
>Quake and Quake 3 don't require skill
>Doom and Quake 2 do
great straw man, or bad reading comprehension, I said none of these things.

>>3453439
>dont come

>>3453610
>>3454006
Its not the PC engine version though but X68000

>>3454192
My bad then. Which X68k emulators are the best?

>>3454202
always the ones you don't use

>>3454192
Is the play station version any better? Don't feel like getting into PCE/X680000 emulation.

>>3454126
The "doom babby" nerd is one of the most retarded posters on /vr/, don't worry.

>>3447848
lmao
i don't think that's a real position
i'm imagining people in real life doing it and it's hilarious

>>3448006
without the hud this would look like a late 80s anime, very tight

>>3455402
>without the hud
it's annoyingly difficult to find games where you can disable the hud completely

>>3452605
Lewdness.

>>3454729

personally i wanna see a three-way memeoff between the doombabby guy, australia-kun, and sevenleaf

we can always go more retarded

>>3454367
But X68K emulation is actually really easy, the only time it gets hard is when you're trying to run Street Fighter and need to keep switching out disks. Plus if you wanna good mech game the X68k has Aquales too.

>>3447804
game?

>>3453165
>fighting single enemies

on easy maybe

>>3455765
even on higher difficulties you fight at most 30 single enemies at once

>>3455769
And in Doom 1, on any difficulty except NM, you're pretty much never in ANY danger whatsoever because of how brain dead the game is. Just the fact that you're able to take on slaughter wads really tells you how useless Doom enemies are. Doom II is pretty much useless as well. It wasn't until Plutonia where shit started getting good (and Doom kiddies here are unable to play that and call it bad because they're that clueless lol). Doom community wads are great however the original game especially is a ridiculously boring game to play in 2016 and I really don't understand how anybody could think otherwise.

Ultimate Doom fucking sucks and is overrated beyond belief. It was a great defining game for the time, obviously, but anybody who finds its gameplay interesting in the [current year] is seriously devoid of brain cells. It has long been vastly surpassed by its immediate sequels, its own community wads, and the many '90s doom style FPS's that came out following its release, like Duke, Blood, Quake and Shadow Warrior. Doom II is pretty fucking boring, too, but not nearly as boring as the first one and at its best is a much better game than the original. keep on memeing tho kids.

>>3455839
I said nothing about Doom, why are you?

>>3455843
>whole conversation stems from Doom v Quake comparison
>w-why are you speaking ill of Doom ;_;

>>3455853
you can shit on Doom for all I care, but the exchange was about enemies in Quake. You're sounding a bit like the game touched you inappropriately, which is reflecting poorly on you

>>3455858
>you can shit on Doom for all I care
Idk, I get the impression you care quite a bit :)

>>3455839
holy shit, shut the fuck up, we get it, you really hate doom

>>3455871
I don't hate Doom lol. I hate memeing Doom babbies that don't understand FPS. They make Doom look really, really bad. The Doom community you have on this board is basically the Halo XBL generation. Sometimes you gotta hit 'em with some truth nukes and put 'em in their place. Fan made Doom expansions like Scythe 2 are probably my favourite single player FPS experiences ever btw. Doesn't change the fact that Doom 1 is a boring af game to anybody that isn't a retard.

>>3455914
PLAYING ON EASY MODE ARE WE?

>>3455952
This is why you kiddies are hilarious. You've just implied doom 1 isnt retardedly easy on any difficulty apart from nightmare kek. Its genuinely baffling to me how one can be so bad at video games, and this is the gameplay standard that the majority of the doom general seems to be at.

>>3454478

>>3456475
>Exile

I need play this again.

I don't have a webm, but I have a cool gif.

>>3457285
FUCK YOU NORWAY

>>3457285
thanks for fixing the world

Notice anything wrong here?

>>3457285
whats that?

>>3459396
No foot parts? how?

>>3455626
In the hunt

>>3449860
>>3449870
>being this much of an underage casual

>>3459680
dumb penguinposter

>>3459631

I mashed random buttons on the password select screen until I got a valid one. Whatever I entered, it said that I had beaten Chill Penguin but didn't have the leg upgrade.

>>3455485
Yeah I think I'll give it a shot.

Saw the PS1 version and it looks like shit.

>>3459680
>younger anon bros ask what a game is
>neet emperor neckbeard scoffs at them
personally i find it cool that a younger generation is finding these older games interesting m8. get over yourself and fix some more toilets or something

>>3459829
FUCKING CASUAL. Learn to dash, slide and head bop.

>>3459131
I wonder what emu that is running on?
Looks more stable than epsxe.

From my speedrun

>>3460291

You should lower the resolution, it's hard to see what's going on.

>>3461072
tl;dr

>>3453453
i know how it feels to have these terrible hangoverrs

>>3458950
CANT BELIEVE I WATCHED THIS ENTIRE FUCKING SHIT for nothing

>>3461064
What the fuck happened?!

>>3461172
the dominant intelligent species on the world built a tons of space ships to board them, and leave the planet, an exodus. It's one of the few things that can be considered a "victory" in the game

>>3461172

What >>3461176 said. Civilization will leave the planet if they're technologically advanced enough.

I don't like this game much, it's an intelligent design game disguised as an evolution game. Also, it's dull as shit. But boiling the Earth to death is fun.

>>3461247
>intelligent design game
gaia theory. Also, "you must lower etc" is bullshit, at least how I remember it. The game had no requirements like that on other platforms. It was a toy, with no obvious goal. It was more about messing with the parameters and watching the results

>>3461256

>Also, "you must lower etc" is bullshit, at least how I remember it. The game had no requirements like that on other platforms.

Makes sense, though. If the temperature is too high, the oceans will boil off. I don't think it's something that would self-regulate, since the oceans store heat and carbon dioxide.

>>3461272
>If the temperature is too high, the oceans will boil off
sure, nothing against that. But what if I want that? The game/toy was about experimentation. Telling me I must or must not do something runs counter to that

>I don't think it's something that would self-regulate, since the oceans store heat and carbon dioxide.
which is a discovery the player should make

>>3461276

You're right, I just misunderstood what you meant.

https://youtu.be/MqasqGuJRVs

>>3461390

pretty gud. Did it get a console release?

>>3461390

pretty gud. Is that the arcade version?

This game is beautiful at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhDC-VStQmU

>>3461791
>do you think i'm beautiful?

all the NOPEs

>>3461824

>>3461847
>GoodEnding.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StGksELo9Vs

>>3461391
... this game intrigues me.

>>3461824
What's wrong, not anime enough for you?

>>3462437

If it helps, there's a few costumes you can dress her up in.

Anyone with a 3DS that unironically calls games "comfy" should drop $5 on Legend of the River King.

>>3455842

>think EVA looks like a great game
>don't want to play it until I've watched the series
>never watch it

What the hell I love /vr/ now

>>3463363

You might be disappointed with the game, but the series and The End of Evangelion movie are worth watching. It's a classic by now.
The N64 game is alright, but mostly due to the presentation, gameplay-wise is very barebones. Still probably the best non-VN Evangelion game.

>>3463408
does it still work like shit emulated

>>3462167

You can still get the first episode from Ambrosia Software. They, Bungie and John Calhoun are the only classic Mac devs worth shit.

I wish Dr. Light hadn't bothered "upgrading" Mega Man's weapon.

>>3462535
A Pingu game where nooting is an actual in-game mechanic? How come I haven't heard of this before?

>>3463839

It's Japan-only, I think. But you don't need to speak Japanese to play it. And yes, there's a dedicated noot button.

>>3463839
>>3463846
There is a PS1 Pingu game, with a "noot-noot" button. I never understood that game, but at least let me noot.

>>3463689
Come one, /pol/ can do better than spam hadoken

>>3463867
You'd think that. :^)

Sorry, no webm. It's 12 minutes too long.

>>3463846

>Fraps counter in the top right

Shit, sorry about that.

>>3463867

To be fair, that weapon looked OP.

>>3463996

They should have made a nine-headed Blue Eyes Ultimate Ultimate Ultimate dragon, complete with stains from Kaiba jacking off onto it.

Kind of stunned that a game like this was released in 1982. There's no leveling up, though.

>>3463996
They weren't even fused... what kind of bullshit is this?

>>3447764
Wait! I played the english version and the legs weren't there! Is it only in the japanese?

>>3452605
>>>/d/

>>3464206

Wow, that looks like very poor luck on your end, I've never seen him spam shield attacks like that before. Hell, I don't even remember if he's done that at all for me.

>>3464546

>>3464552

>>3464559

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwICUAKyXs

>>3464535

I think he only uses the shield if he scans you all 3 times.

>>3464546
>>3464559
>>3464570
>>3464552

Pretty damn impressive, I'm terrible at the /vr/ WipEouts.

>>3464598
Other than the Piranha Spilskinanke one which was genuinely hard the other 3 I made a while ago back when webms were new and I've gotten a lot better since then. I should really remake them.
This is a more recent one I made for a previous /vr/ thread in specific.

>>3464606

Even then, you still did a perfect lap on Phantom.

>>3464660
Nowadays I try for 5 perfects. I've been playing a lot of ballisticng, which is trying to be in the vein of the wipeout ps1 games, and the speed makes phantom feel clunky and slow now in comparison.

>>3464669
if only ballistic ng was done. Seems to still be in development, and missing crucial things like 3d cockpits

>>3464695
why were they copying the ps wipeout visuals anyway, instead of just keeping the physics? Was there a sound decision behind it beyond "retro"?

>>3464696

Too many failed attempts at WipEout killers out there.. PS1 visuals are probably the only way it can stand out.

>>3464708
problem is, they're trying to be killers. You do not build something like this to outperform wipeout. You do it because you enjoy wipeout.

As for the ps visuals, they are already in place on the wipeout games, and work for their time. As messy as HD's physics are, it does show that there's more to this "future" than low complexity meshes with diffuse maps. The ability to indicate tracks as metallic or concrete, portray trees and bushes as things resembling trees and bushes, having an audience and grandstands, lighting effects to suggest fog or haze, they all have a meaningful impact on the game, and are kind of discarded in an attempt to become a carbon copy of something that looked the way it did for technical reasons. It's a missed opportunity, to actually take the idea of wipeout and run with it, instead of making a clone. If want I to play something like wipeout, there are 3.5 games for that already, and they look quite well on the various environments. ballistic is contributing very little to that.

>>3464752
what encoder/codec settings did you use to get it to compress well seemingly losslessly?

>>3464760

It's just WebM for Bakas. The game has few colors, a low framerate, and large areas of black and static pictures, so it compresses very well. Generally the more primitive the game's graphics, the better it can be squeezed down..

Here's an extreme example.

>>3464785

Forgot to include it.

>>3464948

>tfw no roach bf

>>3464948
What game is this?

>>3464948
TURKED

I haven't played this game in 12 years, when I downloaded it off some C64 ROM site. I had only played it once, because honestly it's not that good. But it made me smile then and it still does now.

The developer, Ian Gray, didn't make any other notable games of his own, though he would go on to port the Dizzy series to the C64.

>>3465287

As far as I can tell, all the "waves" are parodies of other games. For instance, there's an Attack of the Mutant Camels parody where if you shoot the camels, their heads will fly off and drip blood onto the robot. Maybe that's in the original game, I've never played it.

>>3465315

Oh, and I learned what a bong was from it. So it has that going for it.

>>3457336
Norway lies in Europe.

>>3464695
cockpits are mostly done though, although I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say 3d.
>>3464696
The main dev was previously working on a different project that was basically as you described, wipeout 1 physics with modern graphics. Making tracks and ships was simply too much work for a 1 man team and he just wanted to focus on gameplay, so he kind of scrapped the project and began ballisticng. He can pretty much make tracks in one or two days now if he sets his mind to it.

>>3464409
that is some bullshit secret placement

>>3466604

Well yeah, you've had to have found a lot of secrets to get to that level.

>>3466597

I wonder how the dev is going to handle the soundtrack.

>>3447795
Damn, Sailor Mercury straight up murdering bitches

>>3465043
Quiz nanairo dreams

I'm running out of games.

>>3466879

>uploaded the wrong vid, again

shit. i'm not deleting it a 3rd time.

>>3466597
>I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say 3d
take a look at wip3out

>>3466626
The soundtrack is partially tracks made by himself, partially tracks made by some people in the community. Seems like half the people in our community right now are goddamn musicians. There is also a custom playlist.
>>3466887
I just opened it up, still don't really get what you mean. Maybe the tilting? I don't use first person cockpits very much so I wouldn't really know what to look for. All in all, I wouldn't describe cockpits in any wipeout or clone of such as "crucial"

>>3466906
the cockpits in wo3 are 3d models. the camera moves very little inside of them, but it does. I play xl and wo3 pretty much exclusively in cockpit mode and the inclusion of the cockpit model made a world of a difference

>>3466916
So you would want less camera tilt in the cockpit models or more? I'm sure thats something that could probably be done, but nothing really more since the dev has kinda moved on from these.

>>3466929
last I checked the dev page they said cockpit models are still missing. Guess they're getting there. Looking good. Next up, getting the hude out of the way and making the cockpit functional (i.e. put thrust, shield and speed there)

>>3466967
Not sure if that will happen or not, but I'm pretty sure all the cockpit models are in, at least for the mainline 8 ships.

>>3466978
unlikely to happen, because it's not in the game they're copying. NFS, by the way, had it. NFS4, anyway. Cockpits were functional, and one of the HUD settings allowed to disable everything. So you could actually focus on the race itself

>>3466978
looking for cockpit footage I stumbled upon this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6VjDmeeBQY
and I'm not surprised. No idea how old it is, and what has changed since then, but the fan game tendency to have bullshit difficulty and a learning mountain pass instead of a curve, is extremely common. These games are made by people that obviously enjoyed the original games, and mastered them. They can't imagine going back to zero, and actually learning how the game works, they can't imagine seeing a track for the first time, learning it. They can't imagine the time when Vector on XL felt fast. The comments on track design in that video are particularly valuable, even if they're somewhat exaggerated for effect.

>>3467021
That video is somewhat correct but there are a couple things to note about it. Utah Project isn't considered the hardest track in the game, it was temporarily moved to the 8th spot since new players were simply have too much trouble with it. A lot of the tracks mentioned (zephyr ridge, omega harbor, utah project) are being remade apparently to.
The difficulty curve seems hard but it's honestly difficult to judge because the campaign mode has not been finished and was actually removed temporarily until a new one is made, but I found it wasn't much harder than the typical wipeout game. By the 20 hour mark I was running zen speedclass, which is 2 speedclasses higher than this games equivalent of phantom, with little troubles. By this point regular zen has become to slow and I've resorted to other means.
The real problem is that for people not like me who want to play a campaign and stuff and have a gradual difficulty arc, they currently don't have anything to do until online multiplayer and eventually a real permanent campaign is added. For people like me though that just do TT's all day, I can't complain.

>>3467043
>Utah Project isn't considered the hardest track in the game
which makes its position more questionable. I think that was what he was trying to say. It's played "too often" for being a late track.

>I found it wasn't much harder than the typical wipeout game. By the 20 hour mark I was running zen speedclass, which is 2 speedclasses higher than this games equivalent of phantom, with little troubles
you're a wo3 veteran, don't ever forget that. You bested phantom, something that makes a beginner's eyes bleed. You're picking up ballistic where wo3 dropped you off. Imagine a less seasoned player though, and the difficulty becomes impossible, as the game gives you little chance to "learn". Granted, the use case of a newbie playing ballistic may just not be that common, but it's still an indicator of unbalanced game design. I don't really blame the devs, really. It's way too easy to get caught up in your own abilities, to forget that others don't have them (yet). I think one of the hardest things in game dev is tuning difficulty for beginners. You never are one, no matter what stage your game is in.

>>3453610
Never understood Joseph's stand.

"Oh look, I can stop time. I can restart days. I can make you a living book. I can beat the shit out of you in nano seconds. I can control a bullet to do whatever I want it to do. My stands is fast as fuck, strong as fuck, durable as fuck. Mine can make goddamn black holes."

"So Joseph, master of the ripple, one of the main characters of the manga, and overall badass, what awesome thing can your stand do?"

"It uhh....well, if I break a camera, the tentacles that come out can kind of tell me things in advance. Maybe. Doesn't work all the time. But purple tentacles, that's cool, right?"

>>3467061
the reason why it was being played "too often" for a late track was because it wasnt a late track, it was the second track in the game for the longest time, which explains the strange data he gathered.
I do agree with him that its currently unfriendly to new players, but remember the game is niche, currently unadvertised, so new players aren't necessarily getting into it right now. I'm sure by 1.0 a campaign system will be in place to put new players through the works and all the speedclasses just like wipeout 1, 2, and 3 did with their campaigns, which should introduce a proper difficulty curve. The current system which is just based around medals in the racebox, is pretty barebones and bad,
I mean, it should be. If it isn't then I would have to change my stance on the devs priorities.

>>3468457
You make sense. You also bring up good points why I strongly dislike early access, alpha and whatever it's called this week. You're given the option to play a game in its "worst" state. By the time the game's done and ready, you'll no longer have the ability to experience it for the first time. The alpha robbed you of that. It's why I'm currently just keeping an eye on the game, not testing or playing it.

>>3468858
this needs a name

>>3468865

>>3468897
is it a bugthesda game, or actually playable?

>>3468910
daggerfall engine...
finished both Future Shock and it's sequiel "Skynet", plays better than fallout 3-4

>>3468854
That's fair. I personally couldn't wait and just wanted to run TT's and go fast in 60fps, but if you are looking for a traditional wipeout experience I would wait until a campaign is added.

>>3468968
since you know your wo shit, what's your opinion on something like an actual league/championship thing, with qualifying, or starting positions based on ranking, and races of non-arcade durations? Think wo could work as a "serious" AG racer, or does the formula require the emphasis on arcade?

>>3469057
I think an ag racer like that is certainly doable and it's an interesting concept, but I don't think it fits with wipeout gameplay ideals. The 5 lap set is as far as it should be pushed, endurance races would create a need for watered down tracks and qualifying/starting positions go against the quick up tempo gameplay of wipeout.
If someone is thinking about doing that, I'd recommend trying. But not with the wipeout name.

>>3469146
>endurance races would create a need for watered down tracks and qualifying/starting positions go against the quick up tempo gameplay of wipeout
How so? And what race duration do you consider "endurance"? I mean, wo 2048, as much as I hate it, tries to paint wo as a spiritual successor to F1-like racing. They're doing 1-2h races. Endurance usually is in the 6-24h range in reality. I definitely understanding the reasoning behind the 5 laps bursts that wo is pulling, but, you know? Bit of a difference between 3 minutes of speed rush and getting into the zone over the time of 30 minutes.

>>3453450
>>3453453
These must've scared children back then

>>3469153
the uncanny valley was a different place at that time

>>3453461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWrXMFmMcI&list=PLgKTFKEeDbtS1fu-pDgRpw-1A4ZE3h8cI

>>3464606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZEXxu_9ag&list=PLgKTFKEeDbtS1fu-pDgRpw-1A4ZE3h8cI

>>3469165
Hmm I should've kept reading this thread and quote this instead
>>3466978

>>3469151
Zone is a bit of a different beast alltogether, and infact one of it's biggest flaws is the long wait time between the speed you want to actually be at. The better you are, the longer you must wait.
As for endurance races, just take a look at some of the tracks used in endurance races in actual F1. It's nothing ever really too crazy, and thats because the longer you drag out an event the more opportunities you are giving the player to make mistakes. Imagine playing Odessa Keys for over 3 hours straight in a single race. Would drive players mad, so tracks would have to cater around this endurance playstyle in order to lower that exponential difficulty curve of having a longer race. This is fine, except that wipeouts main stable is tight, twisted, and precise track design that can only be properly raced on with wipeouts tight, twisted, and precise physics. And then we get into the subject of pit lanes and stuff, which would need to be really reworked for endurance to be a viable concept. Same with weapons, same with hyperthrust. You would have to change so much to accommodate F1 style races that it wouldn't be a wipeout game by the end anyways. Qualifiers and start positions could work on their own if thrown into wipeouts current tournament method, but it could also destroy a lot of the difficulty, especially in 1 and 2097. Win first in one race, get first starting position in the next. One of the big challenges in those 2 games is being places in last with an AI that is perfect for the first lap, and slowly making it past all of them. Being placed first from the start would destroy that, and again would require some rethinking of wipeouts gameplay design.
>>3469165
>>3469167
I've been thinking of trying this but I am too stubborn to move from mednafen.

>>3469173
>Zone is a bit of a different beast alltogether
When I said "in the zone" I meant the state of mind

>It's nothing ever really too crazy
Monaco. That thing is right up there with the worst of wo in terms of difficult and fuck up opportunities. Racers compensate for it by learning to be steady. It's a different form of racing.

>Imagine playing Odessa Keys for over 3 hours straight in a single race
Probably not 3h, but a solid 30min? Definitely. It makes the pits a necessity. After 10 laps the race becomes different

>Would drive players mad
I'd call this a player problem, really. The stress is nothing out of the ordinary. If anything, after about 20 or so laps the biggest problem is focus, which increases the mistake rate. You usually compensate it by going a certain pace. This is the time when you enter "the zone". When you don't focus on moving any longer, it's like muscle memory, but different.

>You would have to change so much to accommodate F1 style races that it wouldn't be a wipeout game by the end anyways
I somewhat agree with that point. Not so much with the changes you mentioned, they're not necessary as players would simply adapt. But it would definitely not be a wipeout any longer.

>Qualifiers and start positions could work on their own if thrown into wipeouts current tournament method, but it could also destroy a lot of the difficulty
The majority of the "difficulty" currently is rubberbanding combined with the job to plow through the field within 2-5 laps. Makes for excellent arcade racing, but constantly emphasizes these opponents aren't your peers. They're just dummies.

>Win first in one race, get first starting position in the next
alternatively, start in opposite order. And, hate to bring it up again but, that "problem" comes from the short races and the whole "get through the field" setup. Make it a longer race and starting will not mean too much any longer, as shield management and constant pace take priority

>>3469173
>some rethinking of wipeouts gameplay design
I strongly believe the foundation is rock solid. The physics, the weaponry, the shield management, the track design, the speed, none of that needs to be adjusted. The game's afraid of exposing its players to anything but a "taste" though. The moment you finally are about to get into the zone, the race is over. The game's afraid you'd be too exhausted. It's perpetual qualifying and single player challenge, without ever pretending to be competitive racing between player and bots. I do understand wipeout is likely not the place for this, but I really wished ag racing would find a place outside of the arcade (on top of the arcade, not a substitute)

>>3469194
That would again just take us back to the pit lane problem again though. Shield management isn't much of a thing when you have a pit lane that can heal you as you drive through it with little time cost. For any competent problem it wouldn't be a problem. Pit lanes exist in wipeout for players who fucked up royally and need an opportunity to heal and players who are unlucky and got shitted on by weapons. Pit lanes would have to be changed to make them more of a necessary maintenance than a "crutch."
I don't imagine there would be need for much "pacing" either, especially with pit lanes in an unchanged state. 5 laps is basically a time limit to get from last to first, increasing this time limit 10x will just lead to the player eventually hitting first and then cruising for the rest of the race, hitting the pit lane whenever they make too many mistakes. Wipeout isn't made for these long races, so extending them like this to the 30 minute mark just breaks a lot of gameplay features.
Players would certainly not adapt either. Veteran players like me would get bored, newer players would get frustrated and confused at the length. It's pointless in a game like wipeout, since wipeout is a game about being perfect, not making mistakes. Having endurance runs defeats this design choice, as mistakes are marginalized.
I could see an endurance race f-zero, if anything. Certainly more than a wipeout one.
>>3469198
In order to do TT's you have to be "in the zone" from the start. I'm not sure how the game is afraid of exposing players, or what it is even afraid of exposing them to.

>>3469240
>pit lane problem
?

>Pit lanes would have to be changed to make them more of a necessary maintenance than a "crutch."
nah, they're fine. They're already in inconvenient positions, and they don't recover your shields fully on a quick pass-through. So it's still a management thing for the racer

>I don't imagine there would be need for much "pacing" either, especially with pit lanes in an unchanged state
for the player. You can't pull 20 minutes of qualifying laps. With races of that duration it's much more important to race steady laps instead of fast ones.

>5 laps is basically a time limit to get from last to first, increasing this time limit 10x will just lead to the player eventually hitting first and then cruising for the rest of the race
correct. As I hinted, I am not too fond of this mechanic, because it exposes wo as not-a-racing-game

>Wipeout isn't made for these long races, so extending them like this to the 30 minute mark just breaks a lot of gameplay features
agreed. With the way its rubber-banding and winner-takes-all is implemented, it's not suitable for actual racing, sadly. You can probably guess this is something I'd like to see a game like ballistic explore. There's opportunity to actually expand on wo, without destroying its essence

>Players would certainly not adapt either
they'd frequently crash after about 10 laps then, and eventually lose the race.

>Veteran players like me would get bored
not if they fuck up in lap 15 and need 3 laps to get back into position. Teaches beautifully the cost of mistakes.

>confused at the length
never heard that one before

>wipeout is a game about being perfect, not making mistakes
and that's much more crucial on a long run, as mistakes accumulate. Your shield gets damaged, forcing you into the pits, requiring you to fight for position, weakening your shields and so on.

>I could see an endurance race f-zero, if anything. Certainly more than a wipeout one
oh, you do not want to go there

>>3469240
>In order to do TT's you have to be "in the zone" from the start.
that's focus, not the zone

>I'm not sure how the game is afraid of exposing players, or what it is even afraid of exposing them to
afraid of forcing them into stamina runs, giving players the opportunity to fuck things up when they drift into a habit. The game cuts off before that happens, keeping the cycles short.

Sorry for turning into /wipeout/ but I played Special Edition again after getting redpilled, and it seems the really awful delayed swishy swashy physics only applied to some teams. Auricom was the worst offender, while Piranha and Assegai was fairly responsive. This should be good news, but too bad for Wipeout 3 you have to clear everything with every ship.

>>3449830
Glorious

>>3471245
>>3471249 (what is this one?)
>>3471250

Got any DonPachi or DoDonPachi or Giga Wing?

>>3471804

It's all from the same series, in order:

>>3471245 Rayforce (Galactic Attack)
>>3471249 Raystorm
>>3471250 Raycrisis (Raycrisis - Series Termination)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLDxa-m0KXU

>>3447848

>>3463363
watch death and rebirth and then the end, then the last 4-5 episodes

>>3474054

Death isn't a proper re-telling of the series, more like a profile for each pilot. The events are all mixed up and not in a logical order.

>then the end, then the last 4-5 episodes

Watching EoE before the ending of the TV series? No way.

The only way to watch it is all 26 TV episodes, Death and Rebirth (optional, but recommended) and then EoE.

>>3447848
lol Dragon's Lair

>>3459680
>Elevator Action
>Not for casuals

The real casual detected.

>>3464291
Why?

>>3476156
looks like F-Zero in 3D with deliberate glitch abusing. What system?

>>3476645

Net yaroze, it's an indie game for ps1.

>>3476650
looks pretty solid, and as far as I understand ps indie is rare. That said, they really need to improve on their culling code, if they want to encourage this kind of shortcut. As it is, it looks like the engine's breaking. Maybe it's deliberate, but it's certainly not good looking. Just the pop-in effect, mind you. Track, craft and physics look pretty solid.

>>3476657

They could only do so much on the Yaroze, I thjnk Hover racing is the most complex game I've seen on it.

>>3460246
>emu
it's the PC version

>>3476659
>They could only do so much on the Yaroze
how so? In what ways was it limited to a "normal" SDK?

I mean
>The Net Yaroze lacks many of the features the official PlayStation Software Developers Kit provided, such as advanced hardware debugging, special software, certain libraries, and Sony's extensive technical support
sounds kind of harsh, but debugging can be done in emulators nowadays, libraries can be re-written, not sure what "special software" is.

>>3476645
http://www.rolling-start.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=351
Definitely inspired by F-Zero, but whit a unique touch.

>Like in many other futuristic racing games, the craft can be given extra cornering ability with the side-boosters. But here Hover Racing does something a bit different. Instead of just having a side-booster on each side, there are two on both sides, so that's four side-boosters in total, each individually controlled by a shoulder button. Mastering this is the key to fast times. One of the vehicles doesn't even have a rudder at all, meaning it has to be controlled with side-boosts alone.

>>3476674
>Nowadays
>2016

I know right!? They need to go back in time and fix this!

>>3476683
>Definitely inspired by F-Zero
not a bad thing, at all (and I say that as someone who doesn't like F-Zero much)

>but whit a unique touch.
That's the important thing. Never plain copy. Taking heavy inspiration is totally fine, but a total clone is a wasted opportunity.

>greentext
Yeah, that's a pretty solid idea, I like it. The control scheme itself is not perfect, since it seems like it moves a lot of the controls into a small place, and someone in the craft would have more distributed controls at their hands, but the concept itself is very smart and creative, because of the varied techniques involving the thrusters, like front steering, rear steering, fast steering and strafing

>>3476698
are you suggesting ps dev kits don't work anymore, and ps development is prohibited now?

>>3476683
frankly, it looks more F-Zero than the actual 3D F-Zeros, because it openly embraces the hovering, with all its consequences, and uses tracks that take advantage of it, instead of being weird gravity twisters

>>3476708
Neither. I'm pointing out that it doesn't matter where they fucked up making that game, bitching about it now and asking questions about how it was made don't matter.

>>3476745
yeah, fuck talking about games on a message board dedicated to games, nothing really matters. Post some memes, will ya? Those are always useful

>>3476752
It makes more sense than trying to figure out why a 20 year old game looks shitty. It looks shitty because that's how games looked back then. It doesn't matter if your modern emulators can debug shit because they didn't exist when the game was made.

>>3476756
>looks shitty
where did I say it looks shitty? Oh right, you can't read and are instead just putting words in my mouth. It's almost surprising you're writing something resembling english.

>It doesn't matter if your modern emulators can debug shit because they didn't exist when the game was made.
Hell yeah, that's the spirit! Want to do a zelda clone? Got to use tiles and asm. Do battlezone? Don't even dare think about using an ide. Whenever you're inspired by an old game, it's most important that you forget any kind of advancement we had since then, and suffer the exact same problems, making the exact same mistakes as they did, it's the authentic way. And of course it's absolutely prohibited to develop for old platforms, or talking about it, especially on a board dedicated to old games and platforms.

You tards would be funnier if you wouldn't waste so much space and air.

>>3476775 Right here, fuck boy >>3476657

>>3476775
Inspired by =/= 1:1 clone

Nice troll attempt, kid. 1/10 for making me reply

>>3476810
>Right here
I commented on the culling, not the quality of the visuals as a whole. Actually, I did
>looks pretty solid
what a damning statement, definitely reserved for the shittiest games in existence

>Inspired by =/= 1:1 clone
you just told me the use of emulators and ides is verboten, because the folks that made games a couple decades ago didn't have them. make up your brain cell

>>3468535
Few early 3d games manage to hit uncanny valley for me, and this is one of them.

>>3476826
>it looks like the engine's breaking. Maybe it's deliberate, but it's certainly not good looking

Nice try, trolliolio

>>3448006

>>3477281

>>3477125
>early 3d
fuck off

>>3477281
the camera doesn't tilt on the banked turn

>>3476657
>>3476712
The whole game had to fit into the consolse RAM, as in, it's only 2 MB. It features multiple tracks/cars/modes, a lengthy soundtrack, splitscreen multiplayer and 60 FPS. It's pretty damn fucking cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkTDIxpTjn0

I enjoy ever F-Zero in it's own way, but when I want ti play classic F-Zero in multiplayer, I resort to this.

>>3478584
>The whole game had to fit into the consolse RAM
Is that a hard requirement of Net Yaroze, or could the SDK somehow be bent to deal with discs?

>>3461391
https://youtu.be/KzHgQ5OPVJw?t=49

>>3462036
>George's getting upset

>>3462397
not particular hard, but damn such good boss design.

>>3463935
I somehow wish Metal Gear, with all its spionage, military and story-heavy tone, it wouldnt have gone so far into that spirtual, fantasy, paranormal direction.

>>3464206
hm, I beat all Xs but cant remember this somehow. X2 or X3? Which stage?

>>3457285
Still the best.

>>3468457
ya shoulda pulled up more over those jumps to skip the chicane

>>3480440
is flying through the scenery glitching or fair?

>>3480448
its glitching, but its fair at this point
hyperthrust while on jumps like that is completely fucking broken its hilarious
try it on Terramax

>>3480470
>its glitching, but its fair at this point
what does that mean? I suppose you're saying, everyone's aware of it, and everyone can do it, so it's fine? I know I can, but I avoid it, because it breaks the visuals, like the game telling me, I'm not supposed to do it. Sure, there's no penalty, but do I need one? Also noticed ballistic ng is actually taking that aspect and repeating it. I'll never understand glitch players. That style of playing is just entirely alien to me. It's a complete disregard for the spirit of the game, sticking hard to the letter of the rules of the engine. Just doesn't sit well with me.

>>3480474
Snake actually cracked down on skillcutting in the recent updates to BallisticNG, mostly because Luna was so fucking broken by it.
there are actually a few cuts that dont even take you through the scenery in w3o.

>>3480481
I'm perfectly fine with taking cuts through jumps, that Net Yaroze game earlier had it as major game mechanic, even. My problem is specifically with clipping through objects that are, by reason, not by rules, solid.

>>3474128
This is some deep shit.

>>3478838
Pretty sure that was the hard requirement of Net Yaroze. But there were other limitations. It also granted assess to an online forum of other Yaroze developers, where you could share and discuss your games. Now, being in the 90s, internet wasn't all that fast, so games shouldn't get to big if you wanted others to play it.

>>3481567
what you describe there is not so much a limitation, as it's common sense getting in the way. The file size for download, I mean. I do believe you that the ram thing was a hard requirement by net yaroze. Probably lack of disc functions in the sdk or something

>>3461163
gran turismo 0.2 was a fine game

>>3481776
don't you dare compare Stunts with Gran Turismo. Stunts is actually a good game

>>3479583

The miniboss right before Magna Centipede in X2, the one that gets more powerful if it scans you beforehand.

Bump

>>3449830
I can't tell if that's meant to be impressive or a demonstration of the "hold right" meme.

>>3483757
do you see jumps, necessary to avoid dangers? Or other coordinated movement? If you do, it's not "hold right", if you don't, it is.

>>3478082
Good suspension

>>3484315
suspension of disbelief, maybe

>>3486487
god I love extreme sports games

>>3479578

Me too.

>>3466448
What is the title of this game? Thanks!

>>3453165
they're different games. always will be. quake had a bit more "AI" that the doom games. I feel like enemies were smarter and played to their roles in quake. doom was hunt you to the end and shoot as frequently as the developer allowed you to. Quake would have been too hard with hordes of enemies. also, there might have been hardware limitations. quake with hoards is serious sam with better level design if you're curious how it would've played out.

>>3486639
Wut's this?

>>3487942
Awesome.

>>3490468
Looks like Albert Odyssey Gaiden for Saturn

>>3480481
>Snake actually cracked down on skillcutting in the recent updates to BallisticNG
Only because people like me kept finding ways to destroy his tracks via hyperthrust abuse and making videos of them, and then him finding the videos and patching them. The physics are still very light in the air, only thing that changes is that the respawn system is a little bit more harsh. If any new tracks are released/old tracks updated there will be more things for me to break.
>>3480440
I actually wanted to show off the chicane in that webm.

>>3487942
More TECHNOLOGY please

>>3491018
more than just a stricter wusswagon
theres now higher invisible walls and a force thing to try to keep you on the track, i dont know if you can really skillcut anymore

>>3486487
:-)))))))))))

>>3453165
>level design meme

BUMP

I Loved this thread.

>>3459131
what game?

apologies for my ignorance

>>3465093
Impressive

>>3491302
You still can, you just have the break the speed limit of said forcewalls. I've got video for proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz_AhtDZn_k
This was a good while after the latest update that "fixed" jumps. It's certainly harder, but still easily possible.

countrybooting

This is not sped up.

>>3488192

"Speedy Slug", as the title says. It's not worth playing, just another C64 showcase for pretty graphics with no thought put into making it fun.

>>3493224

The people who trot out that fake Miyamoto quote about DKC don't know shit about mediocre gameplay with great art.

>>3492967

Unfuckingstoppable. Like the Blood version of gun kata.

>>3493324
I don't have a webm but I still want to contribute a real looker of a C64 game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLRjpJrGBo

With music by Thomas Detert.

>>3493392

I was actually going to record a webm of that, but the game wasn't in my C64 archive.

Would be one of the best games on the system if it wasn't for the game giving you one life in a Metroidvania.

Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQv-BcjOLI

>>3447764
That's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

>>3478848
I remember getting this game before ever seeing the series, and being disappointed given the cover.
Decent game in the end though, and dat intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0UBycyZb6w

From the devs that would go on to make Mayhem in Monsterland.

>>3495309

>>3495336
Requesting Mayhem in Monsterland and International Karate +

>>3495343

I can't do IK+ because I'm not any good at it, but here's Mayhem in Monsterland.

I wish I could read Japanese. Without knowing what the cutscenes are saying, I can't get past the first level.

>>3495776
Have the same problem. The game seems to be some sort of metroidvania and sadly you can't find nothing about it on the English internet.
And while the cutscene look amazing, in game is kinda poor.

>>3449876
Also on a PS2 Taito collection and Saturn

>>3464409
Oh my god I would have an aneurysm

GBC Sorcerer Stone theme > Hedwig's Theme

Too bad they fucked up the music in the 3nd game.

>>3469153
i'm scared now

>>3471250
>>3471249
>>3471245
I have never heard of these,
they look sleek, but are they any good?

>>3497751
that looks pretty boring.

>>3497762
>that looks pretty
it does. They wanted a bit too much in the forward view though, killing the frame rate

>>3497762

Wish I could show off the later levels, but I have no clue how to use bombs.

>>3495440
Thank you. That's a shame, I love the visuals and overall fluidity of that game.

>>3495803
Reminder that the PS2 Taito collection is censored, so if you want to experience it it's best to get the Saturn or arcade version.

>>3498026

I liked what I played of it, but I could only win a match by mashing random buttons.

>>3492967
Best vidya shotgun.

>>3453610
wasnt there two versions of this game ?
Man i fucking hated that ice bird

>>3463418
It plays like shit, I sorta have buyers remorse lol

>>3463861
Fucking bastard cousin stole and lost my copy of this game.

>>3464660
holy crap, I didn;t even know you could do this

>>3498029
You need to memorize which sequence does what. It plays very differently from your standard fighting game.

here's a little clip of Kawasaki Superbike Challenge
there's barely any footage of this game on the internet even though it's kind of impressive for a polygon game on a stock Genesis

particularly, there isn't that much footage of it running in the turbo graphics mode it offers (which isn't the default for some stupid reason), which makes the framerate actually pretty good

>>3476683
God, I love this game.
it's got so much polish for a damn Net Yaroze game, and it's a constant 60fps

>>3500110
>turbo graphics mode
what changes does it make?

>>3500110
the scale of the track is completely fucked, and the decorations have nothing to do with the actual track. Why bother using a real track layout when you fuck up everything else?

>>3500138
it adjusts the FOV and makes the player bike sprite smaller
That's about it -- makes a world of difference though.
Here's the standard graphics mode for comparison.

>>3500143
honestly, there are pretty much fuck-all games from this period that have accurate track layouts to real life, particularly not on a home system
just being vaguely the same shape was enough

most of the scenery models are re-used, maybe because ROM space, maybe because laziness
it's a fun game with nice graphics for the machine, I can't be arsed to give a shit about that

>>3500156
>there are pretty much fuck-all games from this period that have accurate track layouts to real life
Indy 500, definitely, though you could argue it's not a "home system". Also Accolade's stuff from 6 years before. Even as a line scroller it's closer to reality than this. In 1994, you got stuff like Indycar and NASCAR Racing, which are straight up simulations, you have Microprose Grand Prix, also with very accurate track models

>I can't be arsed to give a shit about that
Problem to me is taking real tracks and fucking them up. Nothing wrong with using fictional tracks, nothing wrong with downscaling details. But adding tunnels and elevation changes for the sake of visuals, turning chicanes into long esses, that's plain fuckery and disrespect for the track, as it's turning what are track-identifying parts into plain disappointment.

>>3464708
Man. I played Scarab of Ra so much as a kid. The simplicity and the brutal randomness with which dungeons were generated that made it enjoyable for so long. You knew it was unfair going in, which probably helped.

>>3501471
boy I have a stye and you post this
how do you know

>>3447819

Someone try that in PGXP.