/vr/ - Retro Games

Threadly reminder never to fall for the scart meme.

>>3471442
Eurofag here, I had to use SCART to play NTSC games in color.

A TV I had didn't have a SCART port, meaning I had to play FFT, Kartia, and Persona in monochrome.

>>3471449
SCART has nothing to do with it. It's rather the different color encoding between PAL and NTSC, which is not needed for RGB nor component. It's like saying that you can get component thanks to RCA or RGB thanks to BNC.

Threadly reminder to report and hide anti-SCART poster.

>>3471450
It was still a way of getting around the problem though, i think that's important to note as well.

What can you guys tell me about the Sony KV-6PR1? I'm fascinated by how small it is, and it seems really handy for CRT gaming on the go. The Meteor shop in Tokyo uses one as their display model. Was this ever released outside of Japan? I found quite a few listings for the 8 inch equivalent on eBay, but not the 6 incher

>>3471301
Don't ever buy a used SVHS editing deck. Only buy them new or refurbed by old retired broadcast maintenance engineers. Same goes for DVcam, Betacam and U-matic VTRs. A perfectly restored deck should cost over $400. You'll also need a quality TBC and maybe a proc amp, which cost upwards of $100.

>>3471580
I have two 5-inch Sony PVMs that look about that size, maybe a little longer. Fine for playing arcade-type games with big fonts. Don't bother trying to play RPGs or other games with fine/thin text. Very few lines.

On the other hand, yeah, they're cute as heck and easy to transport. Easy to open up and learn about CRT tech too.

>>3471580
>Action 52
I wonder what that display says.

>own a 13" Toshiba with Component and S-Video
>Both S-Video and Component look exactly the same

>>3471772
>>own a 13" Toshiba with Component and S-Video
What model?

>>3471784
Uh I dunno.
It was released around 2004-2010

>>3471772
>Both S-Video and Component look exactly the same
What's the source?

>>3471894
PS2 outputting 240p

>>3471906
There are three reasons I can think of that would cause component and s-video look the same.

1. The cable(s) you're using are shit.
2. The TV is such shit that it doesn't really make a difference what you're feeding it.
3. Your eyes are shit. Try using a professional camera to take some photos to make comparing the results easier.

What exactly do I need if I want to hook two little shielded pc speakers to a BNC style CRT like pic related? I play ps1 through an RCA adapter but the mono speaker is starting to get to me. It's not the model in the picture, just a little JVC 8".

>>3471964
hook your consoles to the speakers, dont use the PVM passthrough

>>3471973
Got it, thought so but wasn't sure, thanks.

>>3471950
>2. The TV is such shit that it doesn't really make a difference what you're feeding it.

all 13" consumer TVs have like really low TVL or something, I've seen RGB modded 13'ers and they still look bad

>>3471906
The jump from composite to S-Video is way bigger than the jump from S-Video to RGB in 480i/240p sources. You may not be noticing the difference unless they're side by side unless you have a great TV. Honestly I think on a CRT, S-Video is totally serviceable for most things. Obviously RGB is still better, but S-Video is still pretty good. I think it's only when you get to stuff like a Framemeister that RGB becomes a necessity.

>>3471995
S-video and component, in a perfect environment, should only differ by color definition (sharpness and accuracy). The luma (Y/brightness) signal should be nearly identical. Both s-video and component in most setups carry luma and sync on the same line/pin. In component cables the luma/sync cable is often colored green, which can be confusing.

When transmitted by s-video the chroma (C/color) signal is modulated (NTSC/PAL/SECAM encoded). When transmitted by component the chroma signal is instead split into R-Y and B-Y, avoiding modulation and preserving additional color information.

noob question: can you use an ntsc console on a pal crt?

>>3472060
Depends on the model of CRT really. As far as I know, most NTSC monitors will not handle PAL content properly but some PAL monitors may be capable of playing NTSC content. I've never had the chance to test this.

What NTSC console are you trying to play with? Most can be modded to flip regions.

http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/snes-5060hz-switch-with-lockout-switch/

Actually I phrased my question a bit wrong
I was thinking about getting a wii, and I think there are ways to mod it to play games from other regions

>>3472128
the typical result you'll get with a pal consumer television is a working black and white image. If you want more information, post more details. for what it's worth, region unlocking a wii is very easy.

>>3472146
there are no details, other than the fact I'm from europe and want to pick up wii and play it in 60hz

>>3472157
do you not have any information at all about your tv? connector types, brand, yadda yadda?

>>3472157
You can switch the Wii between 576i/50hz and 480i/60hz without any modification whatsoever

Is there any way to "rescue" an HDCRT?

Can you convert it to 480p only? 1080i only?

Can I swap an HD Trinitron tube into an SD set?

>>3472190
>Is there any way to "rescue" an HDCRT?
What's wrong with it?

>Can you convert it to 480p only? 1080i only?
Why would you want it to not be capable of multiple formats?

>Can I swap an HD Trinitron tube into an SD set?
What? Why? Because your SD set's tube is busted? It's theoretically possible but would require you to be a fucking electronics guru. So no.

>>3472190
Use it to make 6th and 7th gen games look fuckin sick as hell. But don't try to play anything before the dreamcast on it. It'll look like a soggy old butt.

>people actually buying used VCRs

Why would you want to go back to such an inferior medium?

>>3472273
I'm purchasing an SVHS deck from a reputable private AV dealer for use in transferring old home video tapes for myself and clients. The guy who posted in the last thread included a photo of a rather large anime collection that appeared to be fansubbed. Nowadays there might be some historical value in archiving those copies as a record of the industry and underground fansubbing groups in the 80s/90s.

>>3471438

Sony KD-34XBR960 Master Race here. Best $150 eBay purchase I've ever made (about 6 years ago, still runs perfect..) Any other XBRo's here?

>>3471438
>tfw raring to go pick up a $60 Sony CRT but my truck is still in the shop

Besides games, what are some cool things to do on a CRT?

>>3472324
>Besides games, what are some cool things to do on a CRT?
They're pretty sturdy so you could fuck on them I guess.

>>3472324
sd video content usually looks better because of the near perfect color and gamma. I even hooked up a bluray player to mine so the kiddo can watch movies upstairs. Looks great over component and you can tell quite a difference compared to dvd using the same player and set.

Its mostly for 240p gaming though.

>>3472324
Using lightpens for 15khz computers (C64, Amiga and others), enjoying a wide range of resolutions being displayed without any upscaling (applies to PC monitors only, CRT HDTVs usually upscale) as well as using high frame rates over 85hz up to 150hz (depends on the monitor).
Using 3D glasses on PC monitors is something I once read somewhere, I have no idea how good it looks but it's way better than using them on a SDTV and endure 25/30hz flicker.

>>3472354
HDR 4k TVs are finally going to give CRTs some competition with regard to color accuracy. Prices won't be too bad either. It only took 20 years for LCD manufacturers to stop sucking ass. Still laggy.

>>3471438
I don't get it. Scart hard isn't a pun

>>3472347
I will seek out a consenting human counterpart and perform suggested act on my sturdy apparatus.

>>3472354
Damn, gonna have to check if PS3 displays 480i/p since I don't have a dedicated BluRay/DVD player. Recently came upon the Sonic the Hedgehog 4 disc set and only watched the first few episodes on my computer.

>>3472371
it's a consumer 32" black box that has the table the owner bought it with. Got a Philips 109B2 for PC content which goes up to 1920x1440 and have never seen an LCD look as beautiful on high resolution images and videos..

>>3472380
What even is HDR? Have we not had HDR capable games, cameras, and monitors for many years, how is this new? And now the latest xbox is toting "HDR gaming" as a new feature. It sounds to me like "dynamic brightness" or motionflow or some other marketing department spiel.

>>3472385
>PS3 displays 480i/p
it does, hold the power button on power up until a second beep.
Also that better be AOSTH or its shit

>>3472391
HDR has been many different things over the years. I remember when it was a DirectX feature, basically dynamic bloom+godrays emulating the human eye dilating.

I'll get into more detail if someone else doesn't by the time I get home. Leaving work now. In short: UHD/4K HDR means a different colorspace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2100

>>3472385
If it's a sd set 480i is the highest res. If it has component inputs use them. A ps2 can use the ps3 component cable and play ps1 games in 240p for the best fidelity. I'm not sure if ps3 outputs 240p when playing ps1 games.

So, my Extron is video only, is there a small 8 channel switcher or receiver I can use for audio?

>>3472446
>I'm not sure if ps3 outputs 240p when playing ps1 games.

I'm sure it's somehow possible with homebrew, but official firmware has never done 240p on ps3.

>>3471580

>Mounting famicom cartridges like Hunting Trophies

Now this, I like.

>>3472469
hmm, I might cfw my launch console if I can bring it back to life. Does anywhere re solder the chips? I used a heat gun and new grease but it died again in a few weeks.

>>3472225

>What's wrong with it

Scaler lag, interlacing.

>multiple formats

Sure, multiple formats would be great, if it could be a true multiformat set like my PVMs. I just want lag-free 480p at something bigger than 20", and I can't find a BVM-32 at a price I like.

>Can I swap tubes
Sony wasted their Super Fine Pitch tubes on the 1080i sets. It would be neat to have a high-res set that does true 240p. This would be a separate project from the 480p set.

>require you to be a fucking electronics guru
Already on it, senpai.

Anyone got any useful information? My main questions are:

- Is there anything about a 1080i tube that precludes it from scanning at 480i? Specifically regarding the yoke and driver circuitry.

- Did Trinitrons use standardized chassis? Were tube dimensions standardized? Wondering about the compatibility between something like a KV-27FS210 tube (Hi-scan) and a KV-27FS120 (SD)

>>3472606
So with enough research you could possibly swap a hdcrt tube into a sd chassis?
wouldn't the beam landing be off?

I only have rudimentary knowledge

Well I ended up going through with the transaction I posted about in the last thread and now I own a BVM 14F5U. Pretty impressed with it so far but I've got a lot of reading up to do coming from consumer sets and all.

Okay I want to ask what's wrong with my shitty northmende.
I know it cuts pictures which means I have to use overscan a lot, but is there something wrong with the pixels here?
The scanlines aren't as evident as they should be according to some of your pictures.

Playing on retroarch on my wii.

>>3472797

post a shot of the settings under "video"

IIRC it might default to 480i or something. If so you can force 240p by choosing a resolution that ends in 240 (like 640x240).

Also retroarch defaults to dumb shit with non-integer pixels and bilinear filtering on. Tell us what system you're playing specifically and I'll give you some tips.

>>3472860

I can confirm Retroarch defaults to 480i, in fact it's only in recent versions that it even started saving resolution after you quit. Was such a pain in the ass changing it every single time.

What is the non plus ultra PVM/BVM out there?

>>3472606
>- Is there anything about a 1080i tube that precludes it from scanning at 480i? Specifically regarding the yoke and driver circuitry.
As I understand things, nothing specifically precludes it, no. What the chassis does is up to the chassis, and the tube swap would work as long as the pin numbers/positions and heater/filament and G1/G2 voltages, and the and yoke resistances are all the same, or at least within tolerance. And as long as there's no extra- or funny connections to the yoke for convergence and shit.

Essentially, every connection on the donor tube and the existing chassis need to match. (There are one or two exceptions there, for example the geometry boards on older PVM's can be swapped out with slightly different ones, missing connections etc, and you just make do with the geometry controls you have. Not perfect, but it'll work, as all those sections were doing is slightly altering some yoke currents). If something is too different, obviously you'll have to modify the chassis to suit, because you sure as shitfire can't alter the tube without opening it. And if you don't modify it, you'll do something like frying the horizontal output transistor, and then it's bye bye chassis.

There are some vids out there about modifying arcade chassis for different yoke resistances on different tubes, but that's about all I'm aware of.

>>3472797
I think it's running in 480i instead of 240p. It would explain the lack of scanlines and the the blurriness.

>>3473091
>>3472860
Thanks guys I fixed it by changing the resolution and disabling the bilinear filter, too bad I have to check for the resolution of each game because it appears SNES and Megadrive games didn't run on fixed resolutions as far as I understand.

>>3473153
pic related looks better running at 512x240.

>>3473153

Also pay attention to "crop overscan" settings

The horizontal and vertical width yous want will vary when these are turned on or off.

Kirby's Adventure: Looks best with crop overscan on, since game draws garbage in those columns

Castlevania: Looks best with crop overscan off since the game actually draws parts of the HUD on those columns.

Playing with the VI width can help compensate for whatever aspect ratio you want, but can cause artifacts if you don't leave it set to 640. Probably not noticeable on a consumer set.

>>3472756
Contrast looks too high in that pic

Just picked up a Sharp cn20s10 for my own personal CRT. So far I am pleased with the picture. No S-video tho... What are the crt experts thoughts on this tv?

>>3473153
>and Megadrive games didn't run on fixed resolutions as far as I understand.
The core RA uses for MD/SMS/CD/GG emulation actually has its own separate emulator which is much more user friendly and with the same quality of emulation. You're better off just using it (Genesis Plus GX) than running it through RA unless you really want everything to just be under a "single emulator".

>>3473412

I use the separate Genesis Plus GX core too. The retroarch one ran just fine but had bad frameskip on Sonic 2, the standalone one does just fine and still has 240p

>>3472273
>Why would you play old video games on a CRT when you can just emulate or play Call of Duty?

>>3472305
Dude I wish I had the room for one. It might be a few years before I can get a 960 but I want one so bad. Although even I have to admit it will be kind of dumb having three distinct TVs in my home with different consoles hooked up to all of them. Ha. That's just dumb enough that I'm excited. I wish I could see high quality images or video of 6th and 7th gen games running on a 960.

>>3472469
I'm damn near positive the PS3 can't output anything lower than 480p. Sorry duder. This is a common conversation in this thread too.

>>3472469
>>3473448
I've never heard of the PS3 outputting anything lower than 480i.

Nice for video and stuff that actually plays in 480i, but anything 240p is going to suffer a bit.

Is it normal that the geometry changes with overall brightness?
Say, you beat a boss in SMB3 and while the screen flashes the corners of the lower rectangle that keeps the score, etc move a little. It happens with a 32 inch panasonic and a 21 inch samsung.

>>3473547
Yes that's normal on almost all consumer sets. It's known as "breathing".

To eliminate it you need an uprated high voltage regulator. I've heard the Sony FV310 has this, along with most if not all PVM/BVM monitors.

>>3473547
As in the bright area expands outward/sideways? That has to do with high voltage regulation, something you run into on just about every consumer CRT, and one thing that professional sets do away with due to better regulators.
Also happens to be part of what was making my HD Sony act up for a while. It would honestly jump half an inch+ on each side when going from dark to bright transitions.

>>3473615
>"breathing"
Bloom

>>3473623
http://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvbloom.htm

I've always thought of bloom as the variation of scanline thickness depending on the brightness of the pixel displayed. For example a white portion ends up thicker than a grey one. Whereas the variation of the entire raster size due to overall image brightness more resembles breathing to me.

I guess the terms are mostly interchangeable though.

>>3473642
>Blooming is defined as an expansion of the raster or horizontal sections of the raster with bright material. For example, switching between dark and light picture causes the size of the picture to expand by 10%.
>Breathing is defined as a periodic change in the size of the raster which may be independent of what is displayed or its severity or frequency may be related to the brightness or darkness of the image.
Both are regulation issues, but blooming is specific to changes in brightness where breathing is more an overall screen issue not explicitly connected to brightness issues.
Actually believe that my Megaview is having some issues with the latter and could undoubtedly use a recap to hopefully remedy the situation.


Variation in scanline thickness based on the color and intensity of whats being displayed is something that is pretty universal across CRTs and something that becomes even more evident with sharper and higher focus monitors such as the 1000TVL BVMs.

>>3473656
Thanks for the correction. I suppose my error stemmed from statements such as

>4K displays will finally allow sufficient resolution to accurately replicate phosphor bloom with CRT shaders

>>3471995
>>3472059
Indeed, with good sources, such as the Saturn for instance, it's only really the brownish NTSC reds that gives S-video away over RGB.

Also the reason why you perceive the framemeister needs RGB might be because it is actually not all that great on Non-RGB (but it's not catastrophically bad either).

>>3473692
I'd say that would apply more to just the general glow that you get from CRTs, and being able to pull it off without looking somewhat off as current displays give.

To be honest, not a subject I have much interest in. I like flatscreens and the like, and a 4K display would be nice to have, but not for anything filter related.

>>3472305
I picked up a 970 about a week ago. Would love to have a 960 but this one was free so I'm willing to settle. I'm digging it but the image cuts off around the edges so I think I'm going to have to get into some service settings. And holy fuck are those TVs heavy.

>>3473180
try aspect 4:3, resolution 256x224 (real snes), all filtering off and integer scaling on.

>>3473021
BVM D32E1W(U/E/A/J). 32 inches, 16:9 flat screen, handles all resolutions from 240p to 1080i

>>3474028
>Costs more than a used car
>Weighs more than a used car
>Notorious for tube failures

I will hopefully be getting my new phone this month, and will be able to take actual pics of my 35 mitsu. I've grown to love it, I'm now a shadowmask fan. my only gripe with shadowmask vs aperture grille is the convergence rings on the side of the screen but after a while you get used to it.

>>3474034
Yet still, I want one....

>>3474059
I would be fine with the D24.

When buying a PVM from somewhere else what's the first thing I should keep an eye on

>>3474536
Make sure it has a screen. That's where I'd start.

So I got this in the mail from Mr nice Chinaman

>>3474669
Scary was easy to open but could someone please explain how to open the multi out plug

>>3474680
*Scart also forgot pic

>>3474685
K I got it open, what cable should I use? Coax?

>>3474723

RG59 coax with BNC termination.

Any coax that's 75 ohms will work. I bought RG6 but it's a pain in the ass to solder to the pins cause it's bigger. RG11 is even thicker so that's probably not going to work unless you want to ruin your console freecunt style.

I haven't really figured out a good way to non-destructively get inside the multi-out shell. Maybe load up on the cheapest possible composite A/V china specials and cut them open as practice.

>>3474812
Would RG179 not be a better choice for this application?

>>3474812
Thanks, the multi out was a cheapo and it seemed like the pins were glued in or something, but there's a ridge on one side that fits in nice and holds it together

For someone that is just looking to play PlayStation 2 & 3 and Dreamcast, would a KV30HS420 be good? Might play PlayStation 1 games on occasion and understandably is mostly 240p content with the chance of upscaling.

>>3473402
>>3473412
Thanks for the advice, will post pics later.

>>3475009
>would a KV30HS420 be good?
>PS3
Quite

>PS2
Depending

>Dreamcast
Iffy without transcoding to component from it's VGA out.

>PS1
Not that great.

Even if it looks decent, you're looking at 3 frames of delay for 240p/480i content, and 2 for 480p.

>>3474812
hd retrovision is selling full populated for $4 ea. There is a member on Assembler that sells them and they are availalable other places if you dig.
>>3474954
what about multiplexed sub-mini coax?

I bought a csy 2100 for my Sony KV-24FS120. It only cost me $56.

>>3475009
I have that tv. It's okay but not that great for ps2 because of the processing board of the tv. Also scanlines aren't pronounced.

>>3475119
not after scanlines. I want something with 0ms input delay.

Found one of these at a garage sale last week for $5. It's not RGB, but it still looks alright. It has really nice color and contrast without washing out the blacks. It has an Svideo input on the back, but it's split into chroma and luminence so I need a converter first before I can use it.

What determines a CRT's native display? Like if it has Component/S-Video/Composite inputs, can I assume it has 240p or does it having Component mean it will upscale 240p?

>>3475167

From what I understand CRT's don't have a native resolution, just a max resolution.

>>3475167
if it has s-video as it's best input its sd
if it has component it could be either but hdcrts usually have other inputs possibly even hdmi
year of mfr is a good indication too. But I had a 24"SD samsung from 2006

So I've had an LG DU-27FB32C dumped on me because "you like those old TVs right?," and it seems to scale 240p content. Does anyone know if that can be disabled at all? I'd check myself, but there's no remote and the damn thing is stuck in key lock.

If it can be disabled, I'm considering replacing my Panasonic Tau since the LG has more inputs and seems to have better convergence in the corners.

>>3473412
>>3473421
>>3475013
This is how Shinobi 3 looks in GenplusGx with the "original" resolution setup.
Using the standalone, not the retroarch core.

>>3475192
Since this anon >>3475047 said the KV30HS420 will have over 1ms of input delay with consoles older than PS3 I decided not to go for it. Found a Toshiba 32A33 and am willing to compromise not having HDMI for my PS3 since I already have component cables for my PS2.

specs here
http://support.toshiba.com/support/staticContentDetail?contentId=2845320&isFromTOCLink=false

>>3475229
welp, found this. I'll just have to keep using my PS3 on my LCD TV. At least I don't have to worry about upscaling my PS1 games.

>>3475229
PS2 will look good
PS1 games played on PS2 will look quite nice
Dreamcast will look good over S-Video.
PS3 will suffer due to being limited to 480i. Text will be a big issue.

>>3475209
Looking around a bit, it just seems to be a normal SD set with a digital tuner. What makes you think it's scaling 240p content?

>>3475259
Yeah, finding something that will take both SD and HD and actually handle both properly is a real pain in the ass. Going with multiple displays is really the only sensible way to go about doing things.

>>3475265
It's just the fact that there's no visible scanlines. Being a 27", they should be pretty clear. I guess line doubling is what I should have said though.

>>3475167
There are SD CRTs with Component inputs that are awesome. FV310/FV300/FS120/FS100 Trinitrons come to mind.

>>3475270
Mind taking a photo or two to show exactly what you mean?
What signal are you using?

>>3475279
Image coming up in a bit. I'm just using a Genesis over composite since it's basically all I have access to on the TV. I can't change inputs without the remote as there's no input select on the front panel, not that it would matter anyway with the key lock on.

Anyone able to recommend a little emulation box that can handle Mednafen and bsnes/higan at full speed and can output 240/480i? I have my Wii hooked up to my Toshiba 27a60, running NES and Genesis/Sega CD games marvelously, but that's about all it can do reliably.

>>3475279
>>3475281
LG on the left, versus my Pansonic on the right. Same console and same signal.

>>3472305
I have one. It's pretty amazing. Now if I can just get a BVM.

>>3474961

What is this exactly? An emulator?

>>3475372
Pretty sure it's just an adapter.

>>3475289
You're gonna need an itx pc, and some fuckery.

>>3475137
Commodor monitors are my fetish. You're right about the split video input on the back. You could take a decent s-video cable and make your own split end or you could just buy one.

http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel.htm

>>3471580

Cool, but many as well go for a 9" PVM

>>3475427
What kind of fuckery are we talking here.

>>3475372
Yes. It's a PC CRT displaying mGBA with a border.

RetroArch configuration: http://hastebin.com/uvumuvoyad.cfg

Border shader: https://github.com/libretro/common-shaders/tree/master/borders/sgba
It was specifically the gba-color+interlacing preset.

>>3475167
CRTs don't have a resolution. They're not like LCD where the pixels are real and always in the same position. The gun is shooting pixels at your screen and can do so at any resolution that's below the TV line limit of your CRT.

>when you press a button and the action instantly occurs

So glad I just bought a CRT instead of a fucking Framemeister. For years people have been shilling that thing and Mike "10 Inch Cock" Matei even claimed it had no input lag. I feel sorry for anyone who bought one.

>>3475712
I bought both. I'm also considering an OSSC.

>>3472273

campiness/atmosphere

>>3475712
depends on your hdtv tho
what crt did you gey?
also try this out, boot up a game like super ghouls n ghosts and play that on your CRT then try to play it on your HDTV via framemeister. it's like playing a completely different game.

>>3475728
What about framemeister on 144hz lcd?

>>3475292
Huh, you may be right then.

Getting the remote would be a good idea, but if it does line double, there's a good chance that it's not going to allow you to disable it.

>>3475745
Increasing the refresh rate of a monitor does nothing to change how it handles a set input, especially one that isn't making use of that increased refresh.

>>3475761
Yeah. I'm probably not going to keep it. I've been considering grabbing a "new" CRT and just happened to have this one plopped in my lap today. But since it's going to potentially introduce a bit of input delay compared to what I already have, I'd rather not bother buying a remote.

It's also flat glass, and my Panasonic has my wary of using those in the future anyway due to the poor convergence in the corners. I'll just have to hunt down another TV with the inputs I need.

>>3475761
There reason why I asked was because hdtvs range from 50-100ms of input lag, even on game mode at 1080p. Monitors go as low as 5ms.

>>3475506
a amd 4/5/6/7xxx card atom 15 and crt_emudriver. Then you need to convert RGBHV from the vga port to YPbPr or get a pvm and combine the sync from a breakout cable. to the tv. or possibly go vga to scart cable with sync combined>RGB scart transcoder to YPbPr tv and a stereo 3.5mm to rca cable for audio.

CRTs are shit now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzIPGpKo3Ag&feature=youtu.be

>>3475864
nobody has a crt for lightgun support you
stinking
trog

>>3475712
my brother calls this autism, I call it going through the phase of
>holy shit I used to be able to clear this game with my eyes closed
then realizing it was input delay all along.

>>3475864
not until there is a display that can achieve precisely 0ms input delay. I wonder if plasma tv's would have developed further, would they have achieved 0ms?

>>3472305
Love my 960, running PS3 over component at 1080i and cable at 1080i via HDMI. pictures don't do the set justice

>>3474536
Not sure what you mean by somewhere else but.

For the most part you want to make sure the geometry isn't completely fucked, there are no purity issues, the tube is still bright.

Don't be that guy to ask a pvm seller how many hours the monitor has.

Sony PVM-1351Q for $75.
Is that a good price? should I pull the trigger?

>>3476416
>paying any more than $20 for a used monitor
Also, there's a difference between being a poorfag and having a limit on how much money you're willing to spend on stupid shit for your hobby so your "video bideos can be crystal sharp".

>>3476449
well, i have a collection of really nice trinitrons that i've gotten for free over the years so i'm covered on just solid picture quality.
I never see these meme monitors for less than 90 on ebay so i figure they're not getting any cheaper if I want to experience the best.

>>3476047
Maaaaaan but I want to see what it looks like!

A friend of mine was able to give me three PVMs. Unfortunately though the Model NO.s are PVM-14L2, PVM-14N2U, and PVM-20L1. The 20 inch has no RGB inputs, so Ill store it for now I guess, and Ill use one of the 14 inches on my desk. Which one of the two is a better choice?

>>3472060
Most PAL CRTs have been able to accept the 60hz refresh rate since the late 80s, the problem was usually caused by the NTSC colour space displaying in black & white over composite. If you run into that then it's easily resolved by using RGB cables.

I'm really happy with transcoded RGB-> YPbPr on my 27FS120.

>>3476678
What adapter?

What's the best way to test for input lag on an hd crt?

>>3477054
240p test suite via everdrive on the console of your choice

>>3477054
240p test suite has a built in manual lag test. It's available on most every console.

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite#Manual_Lag_Test

>>3477110
I used the manual lag test on the Wii version of 240p Test Suite with my XBR960 (HD CRT) and came out with 0 frames every time.

I was playing games on it and I didn't feel any lag and I wanted to make sure it wasn't me.

>>3477110
Manual lag test is practically useless/meaningless and shouldn't even be included in this suite (or tucked away in a deep menu somewhere). I think it misleads people a lot. Your brain will always compensate for lag when trying to match the crosshair/pattern thing, so it is not really an objective or fair test for lag more than it is a test of your reaction time or your ability to compensate for these timing changes. Even on the laggiest LCDs, I can still manage to get 0-2 frames of lag when I know for a FACT they are documented to be more than that.

Also, many consoles/games actually have some type of native controller input lag that has nothing to do with the screen itself, which isn't what you're looking at finding since it will also exist on a 'lagless' display. It seems you're looking for display lag, not actual input lag which are two different things.

The simplest/most accurate way of measuring display lag is connecting your video source with the 240p suite normal lag test to SD CRT with video out, and connecting that video out to whatever HD display you're testing. You then need to record both displays at ideally >240 FPS and then take a still of the recording to compare the actual millisecond delay between the two displays side-by-side.

If it's true 'input lag' you want to measure, you can accomplish something similar by soldering an LED in the circuit of the button you're pressing and recording both an SD crt and the LED similar to above. The input lag would be the time in milliseconds between the time the LED lights up and your input's action is displayed on the [top part of the] screen.

>XBR960
For this particular model you have to disable hdpt (I think that's what it's called) or any other 'digital' features to get the lowest lag. You also have to use 4:3 I think. Any res 480p or higher will also have some kind of lag, although it is probably minor.

I'm pretty new when it comes to CRTs, can someone tell if any of these are good? http://lista.mercadolivre.com.br/tv/tv-convencionais/sony/sony-trinitron

>>3475687
mostly right but the TVL doesn't affect resolution that depends on the horizontal scam rate. TVL affects sharpness more.

>>3477184
>Any res 480p or higher will also have some kind of lag, although it is probably minor.
Not actually true. The only lag is from 240p and 480i signals, which are upscaled or de-interlaced.

got another pvm 19" today for 70$ so when people say good deals are dead i dont know what your talking about.
PS. should be selling a 19" and a 14" soon. ill post again soon

>>3477210
Yeah my bad, I meant lower than 480p. Had my mind on other things. the D->A conversion still have some kind of 'lag' regardless though, but its generally fairly minor on good HD CRTs (generally ~<1-2 frames)

>>3477234
I got a fairly good deal recently, paid about $600-650 for about 19 monitors. They were all PVM, BVMs, with a few Ikegami and JVC thrown in.

>>3477254
yea i missed a few lots of monitors from gov for around that but its all good. i just dont like the boo hooing but then again its a see to believe sort of thing pvm's. always done great for what i purchased today was so great buying from someone who knew the market knew what he had waiting till i could make time to go down and still cut me a great deal. he mentioned ebay prices.

>>3477234
Yeah I got a perfectly good BVM-20F1E for £10 (13usd) on ebay a couple of weeks back.

You just have to be patient and snap up the deals the moment they get posted. The NEETs among you have absolutely no excuse, I hold down a full time Quality Manager position and have a 2 year old daughter with another on the way in November.

It's justs a matter of dogged persistence...and a small amount of lucky timing I guess.

>>3477424
yup its not what i have done with deals that makes me think that about that market its the narrow misses, there is another lucky guy out there who got a good deal.

Apologies for the shitty picture, but is anyone familiar with this Trinitron model?
A friend of mine will sell it to me for the equivalent of $50. All I know is that it has component and two s-video inputs, and it works well enough, though I'd need to adjust some things here and there.

>>3477590
Another crappy picture for better analysis.

>>3477595

Looks a lot like my 27FS120 . That's probably a bigger version though, judging by the size of the button panel.

>>3476449
I spent $75 on a 27yr old consumer tv.

>>3476850

It's kind of a long chain, since I'm using >scart.

- 1x Console multi-out to Scart
- 1x Scart to Male BNC + audio breakout w/ sync stripper
- 4 x Female BNC to Female BNC adapter
- 1 x BNC Y adapter for Csync = Hsync + Vsync
- RGBHV Male BNC -> male VGA adapter
- Female VGA -> 3x Female RCA component transcoder
- 3 x component RCA cables

It seems like most of the transcoders available are made to accept VGA (HD-15) connectors. There are also some models out there that take scart directly.

I already had the SCART -> BNC adapter and the VGA -> BNC adapters laying around so all I had to buy specifically for this was the 4 x Female BNC to Female BNC adapters.

The transcoder I used is the Startech "VGA2CPNT". I posted about it here a little bit. I got it for $40 shipped off ebay, including the power supply.

How is the shielding on vintage speakers?
and would they be good for retro gaming?
vintage bookshelf speakers that is

>>3477652

So yeah, the adapter chain is complicated, but none of it adds any lag and you only have to set it up once. I have SCART cables for almost all my consoles so I just have to swap the SCART cable going into the sync splitter (easily accessible) and I'm good to go.

It doesn't rival my PVMs as far as picture quality goes, but this shit still looks pretty great at 240p. It's great for 2 and 4 player N64 games. Also superb for MGS and FF7, now they're sort of almost as crisp as the PVMs are, but it's way easier to play pixel hunt on the 27" instead of the 20" and lowers.

The main reason I went this route is because of the size. I love my 20" PVMs, but they're still not quite big enough for some games and the larger PVMs are quite hard to track down these days. Whereas late model SD Trinitrons are all over the place and generally free to <$50.

>>3475456
Or he could order a $2 splitter on ebay... Quality won't matter for that short run.

>>3477590
That's a KV300. Second best Trinitron there is. That's my main CRT. Fuckin' kick ass TV, anon. Jump on it.

>>3477174
>take a still of the recording
Or just get any decent camera with manual controls, set it to shutter priority, turn the shutter speed up and pop a few shots off.

CRT Emudriver is amazing

>>3477174
>You then need to record both displays at ideally >240 FPS and then take a still of the recording to compare the actual millisecond delay between the two displays side-by-side.
If you need to know "absolutely", that may be a decent idea, but just 60fps with a shutter you can set to 1/60 is fine to give you a difference in frames in which you can get a rough ms delay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--xY_NvwJ_g

>>3477184
I wonder if the HS420 has a similar setting to change.

>>3477664
Will likely vary from maker to maker and speaker to speaker, though I wouldn't expect them to be terribly well shielded.
Not bookshelves, but my KG4 Klipsch floorstanders definitely aren't.

>>3477827
Need to stop being lazy and set that up myself.

>>3477664
No one here has a good audio setup for their CRT?
thinking about getting a receiver and possibly 2 older speakers

>>3478017
>>3478041
oh didnt see
so the bigger the speaker more likely to be shielded?

>>3478041

"good" audio setup is relative, but I'm happy with mine.

I use a scart -> bnc adapter that breaks out the audio to 2 RCA jacks. I use an adapter to turn those 2 RCA jacks into a 3.5mm stereo jack and I plug that into an old ~$50 computer speaker set. The speakers were produced back in the CRT monitor heyday and I'm pretty sure they're shielded (I don't notice distorted picture no matter how close). Most of the time all I need to do to switch console video and power is to change what I plug into the SCART -> BNC adapter.

I also use an RCA Y-adapter when dealing with NES audio, since I haven't modded mine for stereo yet.

That's for my PVM setups, my consumer trinitron has an audio-out functionality that's pretty convenient. Also it will automatically expand mono audio into stereo (dual mono), which is nice.

>>3478048
It all depends on the speaker.
I said that my larger floorstanding speakers are NOT shielded, and I have to keep them at least a few inches away from my PVM, or at the very least an angle so it doesn't affect the purity.

A newer set of cheap Sony bookshelf speakers are also not shielded as far as I can tell, but don't have as much of an affect; Whether this is due to their size or not, I can't say.

If anything, you'd be more likely to find shielded speakers(though likely lower quality) as intended for computer setups, though that's not a guarantee by any means.

Picked up a Trinitron PVM 8221 at the local SA for $10 bucks and I know very little about PVM's. Won't be home until about four in the morning. Is this a good starting point for dipping into the pvm pool?

>>3478083
yeah

>>3478083

8" is very small, of course, but for $10 why not. Could make a decent on the desk monitor, especially for simple 2D graphics.

>>3478083
Neat little piece, and definitely something I'd have picked up for $10.

Composite only, but at 400TVL it'll still look pretty nice.
Would probably go perfectly (looks wise) with a little Famicom, PCE, or Model 3 Genesis. The former two modded, of course.

Am I crazy for wanting a composite commodore monitor?
It seems like a very good desk size

>>3478127
Nah, Commodore monitors in general just have a comfy look about them, and are indeed a good size for a desk set.

>>3478048
A lot of us I think do have great audio setups, because this is the kinda shit we're into. But in my case, that audio setup is in the living room... Where I don't have room for my CRT, which lives in the office with the retro consoles. That said, if you have the room, go down to the thrift stores and get yourself some vintage equipment. You can get amazing 70s and 80s speakers for a couple dollars. Look out for old Pioneer, Technics, Onkyo, Klipsch, Sony, Infiniti, etc. That stuff is all over the place, super cheap, and so so good. Source: am an audio engineer.

>>3478127
Not at all, they're probably some of the best composite monitors out there. Don't forget there are plenty of Commodore monitors that accept S-Video through separate Luma and Chroma RCA jacks as well as normal composite, so you aren't just stuck with the latter.

>>3478017
>Need to stop being lazy and set that up myself.
Shame on you, Kya. It's fairly easy and very powerful, not to mention the only real solution for MAME.

>>3478445
My main issue is not having a PC with any sort of bulk that I can take up and connect up to the Megaview/OEV. I still mean to try with the laptop+X600, but its rather old CPU(Core Duo T2400) really isn't going to be able to handle much even if it does work. If I can convince myself to buy a new GPU for my main desktop and get a hold of a somewhat newer system to toss my current 6950 into, I'll definitely do it.

>>3478121
>>3478094
Is it worth going S-video to BNC instead of RCA?

>>3478548
BNC is a connector, RCA is a connector, S-Video is a signal.

The monitor does not support S-Video, only Composite over BNC.
Just go with composite on it.

>>3476523
Anyone have an answer to this? What's the best way to compare?

>>3477827
How do you make it work on a consumer TV?

Do you just use VGA on a computer TV?

What do?

>>3478729
L2 is the better model but they're close enough that you should just go by overall condition

I only use my CRT for retro cartoons since I got my Wii, the colors and sharpness is so much better it cannot be compared.

>>3478969
Too bad that wii player has problems with over 480p
also 480p can get laggy i guess depending on how it was encoded

>>3479030
Not that guy, but I encode whatever I want to watch in 288p with maximum quality. The Wii plays it just fine and I can't tell the difference on my consumer FD Trinitron (Even via SCART).

>>3479093
Why 288p specifically?

>>3479095
That's the standard non-interlaced digital PAL resolution, afaik. I record shows on VHS sometimes so I can watch them in an old RF-only set I have on top of my bed.

>>3479108
Aren't you losing some of the image by going progressive?

I never felt like going through the bullshit of encoding

>>3479114
Am I? I can't notice anything. I thought modern shows were encoded in progressive scan. I don't bother encoding old shows since they're in some shitty old format most of the time and the Wii can handle them just fine.

>>3479030
just get an old laptop with s-video out. i have some shitty old core 2 duo connected to a crt for watching chinese cartoons and it can easily play 1080p as long as the bitrate isn't too high.

>>3478915
Thanks. What makes it better?

>>3476523
I've got one with composite out like your 20inch. Can you swap out parts or mod them for RGB?

>>3477652
I'd love to see some pictures, man.

>>3479410

I'll dig out the camera.

I'll warn you, convergence is pretty bad if you zoom in close but at a normal viewing distance it looks fine.

Any requests? Got most 3rd-6th gen stuff worth playing through flashcarts/modded consoles etc

>>3479820
Super Bomberman 2

I just copped a CRT monitor in order to have a more authentic experience with old PC games.

Do I need a screensaver to protect against burn in?
It's just a regular VGA 31khz monitor.

I heard that monochrome CRTs have more problems with burn in than color CRTs. What is the reason for this?

Will CRT televisions get burn in if you leave the house while the game is in the options/party menu instead of the title screen/attract mode?

>Bottom left is my CRT
>Top is LCD

Is that good for an LCD?

>>3480020
If you just turn it off when not using it then it will never burn in.
Just dont leave it on when not at home/overnight.
That was more of a problem with older CRTs so thats probably why the older monochrome ones have problems with it.

again depends on how long

I'm pretty sure my D24 should accept Composite Video as Sync, but there's a constant scroll to the right when I try to use my N64 without a Sync Stripper. There's a Bandridge SCART switch and a Monoprice VGA splitter in between them, but I don't know why that would affect anything.

Any ideas?

>>3480046
If you can't adjust the shutter speed, set it to sports mode or take a shot with flash(even if you cover the flash) and it should use a higher shutter speed on it's own.

As of right now, all you can be sure of is that it's within 60-100ms of each other, which is still rather terrible.

>>3480083
Do you have a terminator cap on the sync output of the card?
Have you tried it without the switch and splitter between the console and monitor?

>>3480046
>512ms
>425ms
87ms if delay. absolutely not.

>>3480046
I'm not sure about this, but is that a lag test program, or just a timer? If the timer is not based on what happening the display, if it's based on something internal to the computer, or even from the net, then the display is only ever going to have single-frame lag, and the amount of time you run it for isn't relevant.

>>3480106
I used this

http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html

>>3480103
I do have a terminator cap. Tried another one and got the same result.

I don't think I really have the hardware to eliminate those intermediary steps right now. I'm guessing I'd need one of those Female SCART breakout cables, which becomes a $35 test.

How bad is the input/display lag on plasma displays compared to LCD?
What about OLED?

I need to choose a secondary display for blu-rays and 480p Dreamcast games.

>>3480119
grabbed the executable version this time instead of using the HTML version.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?id=1229335064&subaction=showfull

tried it again with multiple shots. averages around 80~100ms. thought it was a placebo effect or something but playing on my LCD was making me worse at games like Lunatic Rave 2 and Quake III Arena.

>>3480164
I actually have a Plasma but it's nowhere near my CRT and my laptop is obviously using an LCD. Otherwise I'd test it for you.

>>3480171
meant to quote my other post, >>3480108. sorry for the double post.

>>3480171
>mfw chinese scart-hdmi + lcd is still faster than >>3480171 screen alone

>>3480195
is that the Dreamcast 240p test mode? too bad my CRT's lowest res is 640x480 and can't make use of that tool.

>>3480214
MD version.

>>3480171
>80~100ms
My main monitor (for browsing/movies) has this much lag, and I always game on my CRT. 100ms is unacceptable for almost anything. Even using the mouse for internet browsing feels horrible.

>>3480215
by any chance, would this be accurate if I use it in the PS2 MD emulator?

>>3480236
Bruh you gotta fix that geometry

>>3472385
>Damn, gonna have to check if PS3 displays 480i/p since I don't have a dedicated BluRay/DVD player. Recently came upon the Sonic the Hedgehog 4 disc set and only watched the first few episodes on my computer.

It does but don't expect to be able to read the subtitles.

>>3480456
it actually doesn't look like that. no idea what happened with that shot.

>>3480236
>>3480502
>bezel is straight
>image on screen is not

Anon...

>>3480541
ok fixed it. camera ran out of battery cause I left it on but basically I had to tweak the moire and it only happens in 640x480. weird.

>>3480558
My monitors geometry changes almost every time I change the resolution.

>>3480563
oh ok haven't noticed it before but definitely gonna keep an eye on it.

It's been almost a week since I contacted the seller on Craigslist about that Sony PVM-20L5 that they were selling for $100. I ended up emailing them a second time yesterday just to be sure, and I still haven't heard back. Should I be worried?

Is the Dell M782 a good CRT computer monitor? The specs for it listed on cnet look promising, but I can't find many comments on it.

http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-m782-crt-monitor-17/specs/

What should I look for in a computer CRT monitor?

>>3481635
Horizontal sync rate
It determines your max res/refresh

That monitor has a 85Khz which is pretty good considering its just a 17"

90Khz+ is approaching high end

>>3481615
I just hit refresh on the listing and the seller just changed it from $100 to $500 a few minutes ago. What a load of bullshit. Now I know why they never answered my email.

Looks like the search continues. If I can't find a good deal on a PVM I might just end up buying a framemeister, because it would be cheaper than the pieces I'm currently seeing. Im not going to pay eBay prices for a CRT.

>>3481683
Fuck anon, I'm really sorry to hear that. The PVM ship sailed sometime early last year and I dont see it coming back ever.

>>3481709
Even the price of the Framemeister is skyrocketing, and it's not even OOP. 6 months ago it was $300 and now it's nearly $400. I feel like I'm getting prices it of this hobby, even just to play the games I already own.

I can't help but wonder if Micomsoft is raising their prices in response to the rising prices of professional CRT monitors. I know that's illogical from a consumer standpoint, but if you are a company looking to out the squeeze on people it's easy to get away with.

>>3481729
Ok I thought I was going crazy, I knew it was cheaper at one point. I'm not interested in one cause I have a few PVMs. I think micomsoft is slowly raising stuff less about the monitors and more about the overal retro gaming appeal.

>>3481736

Seems risky. Price something too high and you pretty much guarantee a new competitor will come in and undercut you.

>>3481736
That and they have no direct competition. Someone needs to come out with an equivalent product that costs less. I know there are alternatives but Micomsoft is clearly not at all concerned about then right now, and the XRGB mini is still the best product even though the price is shitty and keeps getting worse.

Japan also has different antitrust laws too I'm guessing. In the US it's illegal to raise the price of a product you manufacture if the means of producing it are not increasing in price, but the Framemeister is not officially distributed here. It's a nice little racket they have going on.

>>3481758
>In the US it's illegal to raise the price of a product
I'm not law expert, but I believe same thing is true for Japan, that's why every single product has MSRP on the box.
But did Framemeister price really go up?
I remember ordering it for my friend from amazon.co.jp this winter, and it's still the same price
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00FC38XDQ/
Even directly sold by Micomsoft.
Maybe you are checking wrong places?

>>3481758
>Someone needs to come out with an equivalent product that costs less
Open Source Scan Converter

>>3481758
OSSC is much less expensive than a Framemeister if you build it yourself. Pre-built they're still somewhat cheaper.

Do PC CRTs hold any value or are they held back by being HD?

>>3481846
They have no lag, and you can get a linedoubler with no lag.
They're more preferable for emulation and old PC games.

>>3481849
>They have no lag
I thought all HD CRTs had lag from upscaling though.

>>3481846
They are multiscan and do not scale in any way. (doublescan is done by the GPU, not the monitor)
However, the minimum H frequency is around 31khz unless it's a very old monitor that supports 15khz.

>>3481850
HD CRTs have lag from digital processing, a PC CRT isnt an HD CRT, its just not capable of syncing as low as 15Khz 240p.

>>3481846
>>3481850
HD CRT TVs (the key word is "TV") have lag from upscaling. PC monitors do not. "HD" is generally a television term.

The problem with PC CRTs is that they don't do the low res/refresh that old games do.

>>3481853
fake crt fake crt fake crt

>>3481827
Correcting myself here.

If you build the OSSC from scratch it should cost a little under $100. Around $47 for the board and about $49 for the parts from Mouser.

I'm seriously considering it.

>>3481790
I guess it's just the US resellers on the American Alma n page that are jacking up prices. I should look into ordering directly from Japan.

>>3481790
I guess it's just the US resellers on the American Amazon page that are jacking up prices. I should look into ordering directly from Japan.

>>3481851
>>3481852
>>3481854
What does refresh rate affect? Wouldn't a higher refresh rate be more desireable?

I know they don't support 240 but don't they down scale to 480? I wouldn't believe the picture quality would suffer too poorly on one, but I haven't compared or seen comparisons between them before.

And on merit of being a crt it woyld have superior colors and blacks to an lcd correct? Also that comfy crt glow you can't emulate on an lcd.

>>3481878
they dont have a native resolution

thats the benefit of CRTs, you can change the resolution on the fly without any scaling, resolutions are determined by the horizontal scan.
15khz+ = 240p and higher
31Khz+ =480p and higher (may be able to sync slightly lower than that)

PC CRTs don't scale anything period, it either wont accept the signal or will.

Yes a high refresh is desirable if you intend to use it for PC games, retro games plus a linedoubler will be 60Hz though

>>3481885
>15khz+ = 240p and higher
*240p/480i at 60Hz

>>3481878
>What does refresh rate affect? Wouldn't a higher refresh rate be more desireable?
The monitor does not drive the refresh rate (or resolution), the device connected to it does. If a console gives it 60hz, it will be at 60hz. PC monitors cannot do 240p at 60hz.

>they don't support 240 but don't they down scale to 480?
>down scale to 480
"upscale" is what you're trying to say. And no, CRT monitors do not scale anything.

>And on merit of being a crt it woyld have superior colors and blacks to an lcd correct? Also that comfy crt glow you can't emulate on an lcd.
Depends on the condition of the individual CRT, and the LCDs you are comparing it to. The only guaranteed objective benefit to a CRT monitor is 0 lag.

I found an 34xbr970, 34hs420, and 32fs320 at a salvation army.

>>3482001
>34xbr970
>34hs420
HD. Avoid

>32fs320
Seems good.

>>3482012
I wanted the hd ones for the original xbox, xbox 360 and ps3.

>>3482016
Probably worse than an LCD, though.

Got a Sony kv-21x5u. I think it's pretty good for retro stuff, but the picture seems to be slightly off you can see it in the picture top right and down

I can get into the service menu, but I have no idea what I'm doing. Can this be fixed through the service menu or at least improved?

>>3481854
So PC CRTs cannot display 240p/480i content at all?

That's like SD CRTs not being able to display above 240p/480i.

At least HD CRTs can display 240p, 480i and 720p content, albeit by scaling/de-interlacing.

>>3482045
>at least
they look as bad as an LCD anon
>>3482032
Yes it can be easily fixed in the menu

>>3478817
Bump

>>3482079
>they look as bad as an LCD anon
I wish we had a proper visual comparison between a CRT TV, an HD CRT TV, a CRT PC Monitor, and a LCD TV.

>>3482090
another thing, theres no tell all LCD. VA panel LCDs look very good compared to IPS and whatever else.

Does a decent RGB -> S-video transcoder exist? I know how stupid it sounds. I'm thinking about this as a solution for a separate room, considering I have an unmodded genesis 2 (rgb but no s-vid), and a bunch of bad s-vid cables for other consoles.

All I can find are your basic passive scart adapters, which afaik won't work with genesis.

27" Toshiba CRT.

>>3482127
it's fairly simple to do one with a CXA1645

>>3482127

https://www.gatorcade.com/product/jrok-v4-1-ntsc-encoder/

I was playing some SNES on my it and suddenly it turned off and exhaled a burning smell and now it doesn't want to turn on. Any thoughts of what happened? Should I hope for a fix?

>>3482127
Conversions are less desirable than cheap cables.

I was playing some SNES on my TV and suddenly it turned off and exhaled a burning smell and now it doesn't want to turn on. Any thoughts of what happened? Should I hope for a fix?

>>3482148
>>3482154
check the model you have.

>>3466254
>>3466348
>>3469369
also, were you using a 1st party AC adapter?

>>3482156
KV-27FS13

I need to get a good camera

Holding hands

>>3481615

Is that the one in Chicago? Someone on Reddit said they picked it up for $30 for a fucking 20L5 (kill me).

/r/crtgaming/ I think

>>3482398
Nope, this one is in Hartford, which is only a 30 minute drive from my house. Naturally I was super excited when I saw the listing and thought that since I responded to it so quickly, I was going to score it. Then the seller goes a week without responiding and suddenly changes the listing to make it 5x more expensive. He probably got a bunch of emails about it and decided to check the eBay price, and now he wants the eBay price without having to actually pack up and mail it. Fuck that guy.

>they look as bad as an LCD anon
Not really. The color and contrast is better on an HD CRT.

>>3482098
IPS > VA > TN

>>3482438
>what is IPS glow

and yes, when scaling an HD CRT looks just as bad as an LCD

>>3482446
>what is ghosting and color reproduction

And no, the picture looks quite different on an HD CRT compared to an LCD.

>>3482457
>color reproduction
>IPS
whatever you say

>>3482090
>I wish we had a proper visual comparison between a CRT TV, an HD CRT TV, a CRT PC Monitor, and a LCD TV.
You'd be getting vastly different sized tubes in wildly varying condition, but I could do that.

32'' Consumer FD Trinitron
20'' PVM
16/17'' FD Trinitron PC Monitor
27'' HD FD Trinitron

If it was still working/I knew what was wrong with it, I'd use my 24'' Consumer FD Trinitron.
Thinking about it, I do have access to a 20'' one as well, so perhaps I could go with that instead. Only issue is having to use composite for it instead of the RGB/Component used with the others.

>>3482536
My 24" Trinitron TV has problems too. Out of my three trinitron TVs it has the blurriest image quality. My little 10" trinitron looks much nicer, and my 32" one looks incredible aside from some minor geometry issues. It may not be a PVM but considering I paid $5 for it at a thrift store, I'd say it's the next best thing as long as you can manage the weight when you move it and can fit it in your home.

My little PVM.

>>3472324

Watch a fuckin' DVD

DVDs look like shit on HDTVs unless it's a small TV and you're sitting far back

>>3482032
tilt or rotation, hpos, hsize and vsize need adjusted, you have underscan and is there a speaker or magnet near the left lower corner?

>>3482676
Mine just stopped working all together. Can't remember if it's even giving a lamp code or not.

My 32'' was free, but I think the rough treatment it got in moving it to the attic combined with a considerable period on not being used have led it to fall out of focus. Might try opening it up and or going into the service menu and see if I can do anything for it.

Anyone have an idea of what settings in an M2/M2MDU sevice menu may affect Component/YPbPr sources looking too red/yellow? I REALLY want to fix this issue my OEV203 has, and I'd much prefer not having to go through each and every option trying to find it. Haven't used a lot of composite or s-video with this specific monitor, but I believe it's mostly confined to Component.
Not a color temp issue before someone asks, as it's there whether the monitor is set to "D93" 9300k or D65.

>>3482907
Perhaps auto-termination has failed on the r-y or b-y lines.

Have you tried physical BNC terminators?

>>3480108
>http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html
And what does it do? Is input lag the same as display lag here?

>>3483030
You're supposed to have two displayed connected to you video card in clone mode. It's supposed to be done obviously with one CRT and one Plasma or LCD. Once you run the timer, take pictures of both screens and from there you have to judge how far behind the Plasma or LCD are to the CRT. And why CRT? because it's the same reason you want to use one, 0ms input delay.

>>3483405
The CRT is the control of the experiment. I also noticed that my hd crt has the lowest input lag on 720p. 45ms

>>3483498
77ms on 480p.

Toot toot

Anti-PVM train rolling through. Friendly reminder that retro games were meant to be played on retro consumer grade sets and you can find them for $0-$50 easily

Toot toot

>>3483498
Okay, my testing is shit. I was using rock band 3's auto calibration tool and i was getting 26ms on an sd trinitron.

>>3477762
What's the best Trinitron out here for retro games then?

>>3471438
Anyone here have the official N64 S-video cable or the Monster Cable?

Really curious about what it looks like.

>>3483930
A Sony PVM/BVM is definitely the best. There are many PVMs so any would be desirable and better than a consumer Trinitron. As far as the best PVM/BVM, a lot of people seem to praise the PVM20L5 and the BVM20F1U as "holy grails" of crts. However keep in mind you're gonna be hard pressed to find a PVM (At least sony brand) over 21" so if you have a 30" set of the best consumer trinitron, it might not be worth the 10" difference.

>>3483930
All consumers that have component are about the same.

The challenge is finding one in good condition. You should focus more on the picture quality considering it can fluctuate intensely TV to TV

>>3484076
depending on how much its been used and if its been dropped before (happens more often than you would think)

>>3484046
Is there a reason you have the contrast turned all the way up and such? Are the colors more accurate? I have a similar model, so I'm curious.

>>3483975
the monster cable was for gamecube but works on snes64,gc. just google them.

>>3483930
32" kv-310 but any component flat tube without a vertical bow is good.
>>3484076 this guy knows whats up.

pic related the bow that plagues a bunch of flat tubes

>>3483975
Get one of these.

>>3484127

+1

>>3484140
Hell yeah. Much better than the OEM cable if you ask me.

So I was digging through a box of cables at a second hand store and found a cable that looks similar to pic related for $1. How do I get it to work with my PS2 and CRT? GSM does nothing for me on any of the modes.

>>3484159
that is for computer video cards designed to output in those modes
the cable does no conversion.

>>3484159
Does your monitor support sync on green?

>>3483405
No no i get that. Originally I thought he was letting the timer climb to one full minute because in some way (he thought) the lag was accumulating. My first post on the topic was saying that the LCD was probably staying behind the CRT at a fixed rate unless he specifically knew otherwise, and if he did, would he mind explaining the method.

And you didn't answer the second question you referenced. Is input lag the same as display lag?

>>3484163
I sort of figured

>>3484165
nope.

who 30+ inches here?

>>3484191
nope, I'm getting a 27" JVC for free. mind lending me your truck?

>>3484205
I moved that 260lb 36x42" beast in my volvo with only another small guy to help. a 27" I could carry myself and I'd just plop it in the passenger seat. or in the hatch. an unloaded pickup would probably fuck the geometry if it was in the bed.

>>3484191
I got three, an 32'' HD Toshi CRT, a 34xbr960, and a 32fs120. The Toshiba is the living-room tv for cable, the xbr is my bedroom tv for cable, PS3 and Wii. 32fs120 is in spare bedroom.

Would love to add a big Mitsu to the collection, but already have 12 CRTs and you gotta call it quits at some point

Is this monitor thing my brother in law gave me any good?

>>3484324
Back panel

>>3484328
Label says model pvm8045q
He was using it for video editing

>>3484304
Nice, I would like a hdcrt for 6th gen+ do any have vga inputs for dc?

I have the 35" mitsu, a 27" kv and a 20" sanyo ds (actually a good set with ypbpr and great geometry)

I had a 24" samsung, a 32" kv as well but the sony died and I gave the samsung away as it never got used anymore.

My gf thinks I'm slightly autistic because I ordered a oem remote for the sony instead of getting a universal.
Always n the lookout for another 32+ sd set as the mitsu dwarfs the 27" next to it.

Also my kv trinitron convetts y/c to cvbs for the monitor out but not component so you can link tv's but s-video is the best input you can use and you have to settle for composite on the slave set.

this is before I adjusted any of the sets, sony needed a bunch of tweaking via service menu to get it square

>>3484324
>>3484328
good for a test bench or maybe a desktop set but even with rgb fidelity, 8" is too small for 2 player

you could hook up a wii with component and test it out if you have one.

>>3484335
>I'm slightly autistic because I ordered a oem remote for the sony instead of getting a universal.
yes

>>3484375
lol probably true but I'm not sure if yu can access service menu with universal ones.

>>3484113
Not my pic, no clue. I usually have contrast almost all the way up on my Amiga though, 240p test suite is good for calibrating that (Color bars) but personally the best test to me is a game you're very familiar with like SMB1, or in my case Majoras Mask.

>>3484127
>>3484140
Any useful guides for cable making? Have never made a cable, would love to get more informed on shielding and the like.

>>3482993
I have not, but It has been connected up to multiple displays which would also terminate it, so I don't think it would be that. Additionally, there's no overblown colors when the same input is used for RGB instead.

>>3484113
Based on the filename, I don't think that's theres.

If I had to guess though, they may have done that to use a high aperture on their camera and still get the "proper" brightness from the screen. I've done the opposite before when trying to avoid beam shadow.

Raising the contrast like that is actually very bad for the tube in terms of longevity. If anything, you'd want to lower it some.

>>3484221
>an unloaded pickup would probably fuck the geometry if it was in the bed.
Depends on your roads and how far you're going. My 32FS13 took a couple mile trip without any issues.

Anons I need your help. This guy has these PVM for sale. They want $150 for each. Can any of the knowledgable people here list out which is the best of these models and what they are really worth?
PVM-2030
PVM-20L2MD
PVM-20M2MDU
PVM-20M2MDU/ST
PVM-191943MP

>>3484432
Uh, buy as many as you can.

>>3484432
google, you want one with rgb input and the highest tvl, I'm not autistic enough to know every models spec off top
>>3484421
>Depends on your roads
true that I forget people live in the civilized world.

>>3484421
>Raising the contrast like that is actually very bad for the tube in terms of longevity. If anything, you'd want to lower it some.
Do you have any tips on increasing longevity?

>>3484332
That's a nice 8" set. I have a few, used for testing but also desktop play. Not great for two people, as the other anon noted.

>>3484432
Not sure what the /ST designation is, but DESU, of those sets, the one that looks the nicest to you is probably the best one to pick. And the one with the right connections.

If you can, take along a system to test the sets with and see what you think. Some of the older medical sets had pretty shit composite pictures though, so use S-Video or up if you can.

Everything else being equal though, newest to oldest isn't a bad way to do things. 20L2>20M2>1943>>2030 - the latter pair won't take component, and the last may not take S-Video depending on the revision, though it will do RGB.

>>3484564
Sorry, that redtext was meant to indicate that the 2030 is the weakest set on paper, given the failure rate some had. You might find it powers up when cold, and the powers down like an hour later every time.

>>3484432
Good price for all except the 2030, 2030s are worth ~$50-$75.

>>3484567
Dunno about failure rate, but for me 2030's downsides are the goofy RGB and lack of service menu compared to newer PVMs.

The upsides are that it's probably the lowest-cost PVM with a 20'' screen, S-video picture quality is just as good as RGB, and the Profeel form-factor is god-tier.

>>3484496
>the civilized world
I sure has hell don't. PennDOT a shit.

>>3484564
Can't speak for the older 1943, but the composite on my M2s and OEV all look fine, and that's without the trap filter set either.

But yeah, unless you're specifically looking for that Profeel line aesthetic(which admittedly is quite nice), the 2030 is definitely the weakest of the bunch.

>>3484335
Nope, never encountered an HD crt tv with a VGA input. The Toshi has DVI-D dual, I was disappointed that it wouldn't work with VGA. My old tower had an nvidia 8600 GT with DVI, I think 800x600 was the custom res with the best looking picture, although the geometry had a lot of quirks near the edges.

The xbr960 has HDMI, haven't hooked a PC up to it yet but cable displayed in native 1080i over HDMI looks brilliant.

>>3484335
can I see that 35 incher

>>3484221
isn't that set supposed to be for karaoke. I remember seeing this exact same set being thrown away outside of a karaoke bar years ago.

>>3484432
Examine each one and pick whichever has the best picture, test with s-vid or component

Some may have bad convergence, avoid those.

>>3484642
dang. I've just been using mine s-video and line doubled to the lcd.
>>3484645
>>3462212
>>3468958
for perspective that is a 27" next to it
>>3484647
No it's a consumer console tv. I have all the paperwork for it and it was $1800 in 1989 and has svideo, audio out and a color osd. I paid $75 for it at an estate sale, no ragrets.

>>3484191

>>3485197
>15-85Khz

hnnnghhh

>>3478969
I tried to watch Initial D on WiiMC and the video lagged hard behind the sound. It was 480, could that be the problem with filetype or subtitles? I used that one 30gb nyaa torrent with complete series

>>3485273
Sorry my Wii does the same thing
I think its just too weak to interlace 480p

You could consider burning the video to a DVD and using a DVD player. Another solution would be the extron VSC units

>>3485268
huh, does this not fall into the same category as consumer HDcrts with digital processing on 15khz + some latency?

>>3485345
Why would it? Multisync is a thing among pro monitors.

Still no CRT. Every time I find one mexicans get there first & strip out the $2.00 worth of copper out of each of the yolks.

>>3485667
I live in south texas and that doesn't happen here.

>>3485674

Well here in Chicago it happens all the time. The mexicans here have an entire economy based on staying off the grid by scraping, selling at garage sales, & selling at flea markets.

The negative points of this is it's absolutely destroyed the retro gaming community here. There isn't a single store out here where you can find cheap videogames, & if you do find a resale place that has a CRT, odds are it's only got RF input. I'm starting to want to vote trump just to have a higher chance at finding videogames. Yes, it's gotten that bad.

>>3485682
>I'm starting to want to vote Trump

In all reality, at this point in American history, how much more damage could it really do? We're already trillions in debt, pretty much every other country in the world hates us, we're already all doomed to working our entire lives just to die and leave our children in debt. Even if you HAVE a good job, you still aren't part of "the 1%" so you're paying taxes, and even if you ARE part of that 1% you're still going to die alone.

>>3485691

That's deep for a CRT thread.

>>3478969

Anyone here know anything about laserdisc? I want to get into collecting anime on it but have no idea what machine to buy. Some of these completed listings are ludicrous, but others are like $100.

>>3485691
Also, a strict immigration policy has been enforced before, and no crazy ramifications came from that. Trump doesn't mind them coming legally.

>>3485696
>Anyone here know anything about laserdisc?
Want to get one that also played videogames? Laseractive.
Otherwise, I know nothing really.

>>3485696
>>3485851
Theyre composite only, but it's not shit composite
Pic related is a rip of a laserdisc being played on my wii.

The reason they caught on is because of their audio. if youre wanting to watch anime, 99% of anime released on laserdisc here was dub, and laserdiscs required hard subs, so 99% of jap releases were hard subbed in jap if subbed at all, unlike a DVD where you could add soft subs.

Personally I don't think laserdisc is worth it, the discs are less resistant than VHS and the players are getting very expensive.

>>3485943
forgot pic

Excuse the mess. They're reproducing....

>>3485951
Breh when you gonna use those?

did you ever test them all out?

You could probably spend an entire day messing with geometry settings on those

>>3485960
I just got 5 more today, and getting another 4 next week probably. Not counting those 9, of the 15 I already obtained before all of them have worked no problems and surprisingly most required minimal adjustment and had great geometry etc.

I'm pretty OCD when it comes to having everything setup perfect, so I have avoided doing so until I can spare the time. I'm good enough with these things now that I can pretty much get most displays to 90-95% of their best within 5 minutes or so, and I've done these 'quick calibrations' on each already. Squeezing out that last 5-10% takes a lot more time and precision, though.

I've sold off 4 of the (~22?) total I bought in this lot. 2 went to a friend of mine for a low price, and 2 that I was not that interested in went to anons.

After I give them another once over and finish cleaning/calibrating anything, I'm probably going to be keeping the best 4-8 for myself and the rest will either go to friends or on classifieds. The idea was to only keep about 2-4 (the BVMs) but the more I use and tinker with them, the more I want to keep different a variety of them because each model displays things uniquely.

Ones I'm planning on keeping:
3x BVM-20F1U
1x PVM-20L5
-------------
Maybe keeping:
1x PVM-2530
1x PVM-20M4U
1x 19" JVC
1-2x 13" Panasonics
1x LaCie 22" PC CRT

Other than those, the rest of the units I have left are a mix of M2Us, M4Us, L2s, more LaCie 22".

If any of you are in the Houston area and want to sell me a monitor I'd pay a decent price for one

>>3484076
>>3484118
>>3484118
Sorry I'm late, thanks for the information and by the way if anyone cares I'm currently using a 19" Samsung. I'll definitely get a Sony Trinitron one of these days but I'm just looking for a CRT that has Composite and/or Stereo audio.

I'm in the mood for Time Crisis, I know a lot of people here have experience with light gun games, how is it compared to the arcade? is it accurate enough that I'll be able to play proficiently? what other light gun games for PS1/PS2 should I check out?

If only they had Big Buck Hunter on console

>>3486043
Didnt you originally complain about not being able to find any CRTs?
now you have 20, insanity

yeah those panasonics are nice desk TVs

>>3486118
Update, I have found a KV-25XBR for 40$ and a KV-20TX12 for 50$. Are these TVs any good and is the price decent?

>>3486136

I never played Time Crisis 1 in the arcades. I have the PS1 port and I find it very disappointing. The guncon 1 just doesn't feel very accurate in the horizontal axis, and the accuracy gets worse the farther from the middle of the screen you go.

I have Time Crisis 2 and 3 (>not retro). Those games rock, the Guncon 2 is super accurate.

I just wish there was some way to play in 480p, but it's fun enough that I don't mind interlace.

You'll want to get a SCART cable with a breakout for composite like pic related for best quality (or you can make your own).

>>3485943
>and laserdiscs required hard subs
Mine seems to give me the option for subtitles. That's just for regular movies, not anime though.

>>3486249
I'm really not sure, in the past people have overlayed the subs onto a laserdisc by means of an external box. I may be wrong about the hardsubs but from what ive seen its impossible to add subs that werent originally there without another component.

Does it give you an option to change the language?

>>3486252
>Does it give you an option to change the language?
No.
The option isn't on the laserdisc player, it's on my PVM. I think it just streams subtitles (closed captions?) all the time.

>>3486189
can you not google nigger?

never heard of a tx but it is sd, xbr is hdcrt and trash for retro. $50 is too much for an old consumer set anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPpRnzO9Aw

Is this gonna be us in 30 years /crt/?
Will analog electronics be that rare in 30 years?

>>3486257
>xbr is hdcrt
There's older XBRs that aren't.

>>3486257
Can I google anon's opinons on a CRT? No. How is the xbr hdcrt because the listing and when I googled it says 1985-86.

CRT emudriver <3333333

>>3486236

I'm in the US, component should work right?

>>3486283

I'm in the US too. You're going to need to be a little more specific about what consoles you're using, what TV you want to hook up to, and what budget you have/how autistic you want to be about quality.

All PS1 and PS2 games will work out of the box with composite. Plug console's output into Guncon T-adapter, plug guncon T-adapter into TV. Things only get complicated when you want higher quality.

>>3486295

I have a PS2, I use component cables, the YPbPr kind, the Guncon has an adapter?

>>3486303

Low level: Composite through T-adapter. Composite blurry, then extra blurriness on top of that.

Medium: Use Luma (green cord) through T-adapter. It will work fine, since that cord carries black and white signal which is all the guncon cares about. The T-adapter will still make luma blurry though it will leave chrominance alone.

Top Tier - Premade or Homemade adapter that allows access to RGB/YPbPr for the TV and a separate composite video output plugged into the Guncon. No blurriness.

The PS2 can send out YPbPr over the RGB wires in a SCART cable. You'll just need an adapter to turn female SCART into 3 x RCA. You can get premade $35 adapters that will turn SCART -> BNC , then use 3 x $1 BNC -> RCA adapters to connect this to TV.

I use the top tier solution since I'm autistic like that. I suggest you start out with Mid tier unless you're looking to drop ~$60 on this, or you already have a home lab with spare RG59, crimp tools, terminators etc. (If you did you wouldn't be asking though). (Those SCART -> BNC adapters aren't that bad if you can amortize them over several consoles).

>>3486273
It isnt i own one. Its an sd set.
Only has RF, composite and its proprietary 34 pin rgb which if your handy can be used with a 34pin floppy drive ribbon cable and modifications.
Finding any 34 pin adapter cables is all but impossible now. Anyone who use to make them doesnt anymore and ebay from my searches comes up blank.

As far as how the picture looks i havent been able to use it much. Only got to see the RF picture when I bought from the guy. He was asking $40 i offered $25 and got it so try and get it for less if u can.

>>3486328
I should had include this in the post, sorry.

>>3486335
Why you apoligizing to me?

>>3486323

do they make these? I wouldn't make one

>>3486338
I thought I had to apologize cause I didn't have the picture because it has AV input and you said it only has RF and composite.

>>3486346
Composite y,w,r is what youre calling a/v.... Come on anon...

>>3486345

>but why male models?

I literally posted a picture that included one of those cords, and I explained the SCART -> BNC -> RCA chain you can use to connect it to an american TV that takes YPbPr.


Currently, there doesn't appear to be any available on ebay, but that's where I got both of mine. I think I had to import both from Europe, where that style of connector (SCART + composite) is more popular.

https://www.amazon.com/Speedlink-Tracs-Scart-Video-Audio/dp/B00B1WPEVQ/ref=sr_1_15/163-8381364-4205310?ie=UTF8&qid=1473468173&sr=8-15&keywords=playstation+scart

PS1, PS2, and PS3 all have the same analog multi-out and cables are compatible between the three. Only difference is PS1 will only do RGB on the RGB pins and not RGBs/RGsB/YPbPr like the PS2 can do. No idea about ps3 and RGB.

>>3486351
Damn, I feel like a dumb ass, I thought you said component and I thought composite was component.

>>3486372
Its all good it happens haha but overall its a nice quality set in my opinion. If you only need composite than ur good. Or if u want to endeavor into homebrewing and RGB cable then it can be used for that as well. The pinout is easy to find. I can post some links when i get home. On mobile atm.

>>3486390
I haven't heard back from the guy about the TV though but thanks.

>>3486043
please tell me you live in the GTA

>>3484191
I will show some pics of this thing when I get my iPhone near the end of the month.
in any case I never noticed that Canadian regulation sticker. how quaint. as well just noticed that "for commercial use only" message. why do you guys suppose it would say that? well... considering the input selection is pvm equivalent I suppose that's why...

I really need to figure out how to get mame set up on this thing. I have no idea where to start.

>>3486323
>I suggest you start out with Mid tier unless you're looking to drop ~$60 on this, or
Alternatively, get a hold of one of these. Adds a breakout for composite and additional audio should you want it, with an AV connector for SCART, Component, or any other cable you may want to use; Well, R,G,B,CVid, and audio at the least. Haven't tried pulling S-Video through it, but I can't imagine that they'd have made sure the others were connected and not Chroma.

>>3486359
>No idea about ps3 and RGB.
PS3 will do any resolution over YPbPr, 480i over RGBS. and 480p over RGsB. Thankfully, this is system wide and activated upon boot unlike with the PS2, so you don't have to put in button combinations blind.

>>3486683
Forgot the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/182095316313

There are official and other third party models out there, but this is just the one I personally have.

>>3486280
What display?

>>3486149
Yeah, it took me about 2-3 years of searching to find a good one. After I finally found my first BVM, I went to pick it up and the guy happened to have 2 more so I took all 3. Two weeks later he put me in contact with a co-worker at a sister location of the studio and that's where I got the massive lot from.

>>3486614
Hello :)

>>3486683

>button combinations blind

You can bind buttons to .elf files on startup. I have mine set up to launch Xploder HDTV on circle. Xploder HDTV remembers your last resolution, so it'll pop up in 480p, then you just have to hit start.

It usually will switch back and forth between 15khz and 31khz a few times before settling into 31khz. Your monitor might not like this.

>>3486625
"Commercial use only" typically means that the electronic device is not meant to be used in home/resitential environments, likely because they violate or are not approved to meet whatever laws or codes were in place at the time it was manufactured.

Most of the time it has to do with RMI/RFI emissions- commercial gear requirements are less strict than requirements for home appliances, which are generally required to be under a certain level so as to not cause problems with other devices in the home.

So either the device did not pass these tests, or the company didn't bother to do the testing since it wasn't intended to be put in homes anyway.

Do any of you use the SCART to component box that seems pretty common? I use it to connect SCART from my consoles to my Sony CRT TV.

I heard that you have to make adjustments inside to get the colors right, so I did first thing when I got it. But I noticed that the voltage regulator gets ungodly hot. Like, so hot it seems rather unsafe. Is this normal? There's no heatsink on it. It seems like it should have a heatsink, but because of the way the board layout is there isn't much room for one.

>>3486683
I'm thinking of getting a ps3 component cable and cracking it open to wire up RGBs with an extra lead. Then I'll be able to run that 480i RGBs though my RGB interface for faux 240p PS3.

>>3486815
You're expecting everyone to be using FMCB though. I was talking more along the lines of someone trying to use an RGsB compatible PC CRT with games that officially support progressive scan and as such require a button combination to enable.
FMCB obviously simplifies things.

>Your monitor might not like this.
That, combined with the sync type changing as well makes the Megaview just flip out. I actually started switching to a different input to avoid that

>>3486837
I remember putting together an absolute rat's nest of cables in an attempt to do that with the Wii(in this case using component) only to have jitter and sync issues(curving at the top.

Made for a nice webm with my old camera, since its slower shutter just so happened to go at just the right speed to not catch it.

What kind of camera setup would I need to capture my CRT well in video?
I currently have no way of recording or any experience with it.

>>3486856
Did you use an extron interface? What model?

Picked up a CRT monitor from a pawn shop somewhat recently, and when I first booted it up, it had a very yellow tinge. After dabbling with the colors, it seemed there was likely no fix, athough coincidentally, as soon as I was done fixing the geometry and such, the colors all came in and fixed up. Booted it a week later and it was all yellow again, had a friend comment it was "probably the colorimeter" being a little messed up and not showing the blues/reds correctly or something.

Is there any easy way to fix this or is it way more effort than it's worth?

>>3486993
Decent sized sensor and recording resolution to avoid moire in full screen video. My old camera had neither of these, and required the camera be extremely upclose to not end up in moire hell.
Manual control of shutter speed for attempting to sync it up with the video being displayed/refresh to get proper frame to frame capture. Leaving it up to the camera can lead to crazy strobbing if the camera is too sensitive to the screen's refresh, and will make the video unusable.
Manual focus is nice not only for being able to properly get the screen in focus, but also to pull to either side of what would be "perfect focus" to minimize any additional moire.

Just a few things I've found important to be able to control and "lock" when recording with my RX100.

>>3487045
Yes.
Admittedly, it is a lower end model, an 109xi, but still.

I had been using it as a sync processor for a bit, but recently it's mainly being used to buffer my laptop's input to the Megaview.


>>3487049
Leave it powered on and in use for a while again.

If allowing it to warm up as you did before (while adjusting the geometry) brings the color back to normal again, it could possibly be an issue with caps or bad solder connections.

Whether it's worth it or not all depends on how adventurous and handy you're feeling.