/vr/ - Retro Games

No Sid Meier games?
Drop WoW because it's not retro.
MK feels more like a product of its time than truly influential.

Yeah, add Civilization, add Maniac Mansion or King's Quest, drop WoW, drop Mortal Kombat

Def add King's Quest and Civ. Drop WoW.

Defender

1st horizontally scrolling shoot 'em up

Maniac Mansion
System Shock
Ultima Underworld
Fallout 2
Sim City
Civilization 2

>>3468056
Plus Robotron

Where would we be without dual sticks

>>3468172
Robotron 2084 is a god tier masterpiece of gaming of the highest order.

How about Japan and Europe?

>>3467818
>mortal kombat
Why? MK did nothing revolutionary. Unless its a popularaity contest MK shouldn't be there.

>>3468216
I think it has to do with its connection to the ESRB getting formed, but the controversy was sorta manufactured and not the only game that caused that

>>3468192
I thought about this for a while and came to the conclusion that Japanese and European games are not American -- therefore not in the scope of this thread.

>>3467818
Starcraft (Brood War)

>>3467818
Toss in some lucasarts games

>>3468338
REKT

>>3468338
What about Canadian games? They're American but not AMERICAN.

>>3468082
>Ultima Underworld

This is the ONLY correct answer.

>>3468449
>implying Underworld was more influential than Maniac Mansion

>no one mentioning Command & Conquer Red Alert or any other RTS

>>3469925
>implying Red Alert deserves to be mentioned above the original C&C
Even then, Dune II deserves to be on list more.

>>3470340
Which one popularized the genre?

>>3467818
Half-Life?

Trying to figure out the most influential RTS game is kind of an impossible task.

Dune 2 was the first one that resembles what RTS games are today, but nobody played it.

Warcraft 2 and C&C were the first RTS games that weren't a pain in the ass to play, and both were responsible for catapulting the RTS genre into the mainstream. Which one was more influential?

Starcraft was the pinnacle of the genre, somehow managed to be even more popular than Warcraft 2, was the first big online RTS, and the map editor's scriptability laid the foundation that expanded upon in warcraft 3, which gave rise to DotA. But was it too late to be considered influential...after all, it's a mere refinement of the already great and popular Warcraft 2 formula, like Quake was to Doom.

Damn...

>>3468585
Sounds right. Maniac Mansion was influential for adventures UW for everything.

>>3471192

>>3471192

>>3467818
Oregon Trail?
Civilization?

>>3474879
How the fuck did Oregon Trail influence anything? There's a difference between famous and influential.

>>3468192
10 most influential Japanese games:

I also came up with this list of the 10 most influential Japanese games.

Space Invaders
Pac-Man
Super Mario Bros.
Street Fighter II
Super Mario 64
Final Fantasy VII
Dragon Quest
Wii Sports
Portopia Serial Murder Case
Pokémon

>>3468216
>>3468327
I think it would be more accurate to call MK historically significant rather than influential.

>>3468192
10 most influential Japanese games:

Space Invaders
Pac-Man
Super Mario Bros.
Street Fighter II
Super Mario 64
Final Fantasy VII
Dragon Quest
Wii Sports
Portopia Serial Murder Case
Pokémon

>>3467818
>Wolfenstein 3D
>Doom
Literally pick one.

And the answer is Doom, by the way. How many Wollf 3D clones do you see?

>>3476727
What game did Final Fantasy VII influence?

>>3476729
Doom is a Wolf 3D clone.

>>3476750
OH BOY where do I even begin

>>3476782
Everything Final Fantasy VII did was already done by SNES rpgs before it.

>>3468192
10 most influential yuropooristanian games:

Tetris
Grand Theft Auto III
Elite
Populous
Angry Birds
Minecraft
Goldeneye 007

That's 7. I couldn't think of anything else unless you want to add other GTA games or if you think Banjo Kazooie and/or Lemmings belong on the list.

What else should be on it?

>>3476998
Turrican

>>3476729

Colossal Cave Adventure

Kids, kids, kids. Where the fuck are Karateka and or Prince of Persia?

>>3467818
America made 10 games?! Who knew!

>>3467818
Ultima and Wizardry are basically the roots of just about every JRPG and WRPG. More so Wizardry with JRPGs though.

Wolfenstein was not nearly as influential as Doom so Doom takes the title as the FPS that influenced every other FPS for decades to come, and you can cross Wolfenstein off that list.

Wing Commander really didn't influence as much as many think given that Elite was before it. Elite shouldn't be on that list because it's a British game, but it's far more influential.

World of Warcraft isn't even retro.

Pong didn't really influence much directly outside of Pong clones and selling Ataris. Pitfall should be on there instead for inspiring the entire concept of console sidescrollers.

>>3478608
Oh also I forgot to add: Mortal Kombat only inspired waves of forgotten Mortal Kombat clones. Just about every other fighting game didn't take anything from it.

Just about every Lucasarts game should be on that list, but Monkey Island would definitely the most famous and most influential.

>>3478615
Mortal Kombat fundamentally changed the content of video games forever.

i'd say dune 2, starcraft, mortal kombat and doom/quake

>Doom was just a Wolfrenstein 3D clone.
>Wolfenstein 3D was just a Catacomb 3D clone.
>Catacomb 3D was just Catacomb with a different viewing perspektive.
>Catacomb was just a Gauntlet clone.

Gauntlet was more influential than any FPS game since the gameplay mechanics of all FPS games can be traced back to Gauntlet.

Rogue might be a candidate.

>>3479657
Only on consoles, and even then all it did was add a sticker on boxes in the US. That's not really a real influence.

>>3480759
Might is a bit of an understatement. How it took this long to get mentioned is embarrassing.

>>3480741

is this considered autism?

>>3476290
Oregon Trail is like the only game allowed in elementary schools that isn't dumbed down Reader Rabbit stuff and is most kids' first experience with games. It's hugely educational and fun at the same time and made a huge impact in and basically pioneered the edutainment genre.

>>3480732
Did anyone even play Dune 2? Isn't it more of a "retroactive classic"?

>>3478615
>Monkey Island
>not Maniac Mansion

>>3482215
The same developer took what they did in Dune II and refined it into C&C. It's more influential in that sense than through commercial success that inspired copycats.

>>3480759
>>3481160
How exactly did Rogue influence things aside from spawning "rougelikes"?

>>3482416
Which was more influential though?

>>3485809
Still saying Dune II, because of the same developer deal. If Dune II and C&C had been developed by different companies, then one could say that the C&C dev came up with their stuff without being influenced.

It's somewhat similar to Wolf3D and Doom both being on the same list: Wolf3D basically defined the modern FPS, while Doom popularized it without really changing the formula; Doom, however, also made huge advancements in 3D environments, ease of modding, and network multiplayer such that those achievements alone earn it a top-10 spot.

>>3485897
What about Midi Maze?

Doom was more influental than Wolf3d because it was the first fps with deathmatch.

>>3483139
It's indirectly responsible for the Diablo clone genre. Diablo was inspired by Angband.

>>3476998
Add Another World it's the root inspiration for almost all of the best cinematic games.

>>3485949
Midi Maze had deathmatch more than 6 years before Doom.

>>3486095
>Another World
>American

>>3486095
Not likely. Wing Commander probably had more to do with that than anything.

>>3486171
This thread isn't about "innovation".

>>3485809
Dune II created the resource collection mechanic from Dune's whole 'war over Spice' thing. Otherwise RTS games might look a lot more like Blitzkrieg 2, where you just have limited reinforcements per mission.

>>3486559
>>3476998
>yuropooristan games

nice reading comprehension

>>3490272
>posts list of yurotrash games in a thread asking for American games
>making fun of other people's reading comprehension

>>3490667
>>3468192
>literally asking for Jap & Euro games
wew

>>3486780
Yeah, no Fumito Ueda, Hideo Kojima and David Cage all admit it as being their inspiration. And all of them made games that are more about cinematic gameplay and story than anything else.

>>3490736
So fucking what? Three assholes liking a game doesn't make it "influential". It didn't change gaming at all.

>>3490681
>literally asking for Jap & Euro
>in a thread for American games
Wew, indeed.

>>3490681
>>3491567
We've been discussing that though.

>>3485910
You mean Faceball 2000?

>>3467818
Ultima

>>3471129
Herzog Zwei

>>3495697
Why not the original Herzog? What did Zwei add?

>>3490667
>yurotrash
Love it. Reminds me of the Halcyon days of Gamefan and Nick Rox shitting on Euro games.

>>3495702
Zwei is more in line with what the RTS genre would evolve into (resource farming/management, troop manufacture and deployment, ect). It was also the inspiration for Dune 2 and the first multiplayer RTS.

>>3495697
How was that even as influential as other RTS games though?

>>3498212
>first game that laid the groundwork for the modern RTS genre
>Dune 2 creator specified that Herzog Zwei was a direct inspiration
>First multiplayer RTS

>>3498221
This thread is about influence, not "innovation". Otherwise we'd have Faceball 2000 instead of any other FPS.

>>3500592
It influenced the guy that popularized the genre with Dune 2

>>3468350
This.

This thread needs to define what "influential" is.
There are people naming games that influenced the industry and others naming games that influenced lives.
For a game to be influential the public doesn't need to be aware of it, only the developers.

>>3502903
No. The word "influential" is perfectly clear.

>>3502903
>words mean whatever i think they mean in my narcissistic millennial head.
Only in your narcissistic millennial head sport.

>>3493882
In a thread where the OP specifically wanted influential American games. OP even CAPITALIZED it for fucks sake.

>What are the 10 most influential games from AMERICA?

How hard is this to understand?

Replace WoW with Everquest. Tell me why I'm wrong, since I never actually played EQ.

>>3502951
>put a game on there that I know nothing about

>>3467818
no one played wizardry or ultima. those are bottom barrel pc shovel ware only remembered by nerds who wanted to play d&d but didn't have friends

>>3482215
When I was in middle school, Dune II was installed on some of the school's PCs and it was THE game that made me crave for a computer.

At the time, every guy I knew that add a PC at home played it and love it. We traded tips for the dreaded mission 9, talked about how epic it was, and what House was the coolest.

I guess you have to be more than 30 and had to be there when it was fresh, but it was a beloved game back then. Just check some of the raving reviews when it was released.

>>3468172
>>3468181
Now we have some top tier games.

>>3505160

>>3505160
>dis nigga like 15 posting on 4chan

I can't believe nobody's mentioned this one yet.

>>3478575
America made pong, then played catch up behind Japan until 2000 when we invented movies with gamepads and fucked everything up, but hey, at least we're again at the forefront of the industry now

>>3505885

What games did EWJ influence?

>>3467818
Dune 2
Civilization 2
Populous

Wolfenstein 3d was incredible for its time, but nowhere near as influential as Doom, which not only made FPS games a mainstream genre, but popularized online Deathmath.

>>3471129
>Dune 2 was the first one that resembles what RTS games are today, but nobody played it.

That's horse shit. Tons of people played it, even back in the day.

>>3476727
>Super Mario 64

Mario 64 wasn't that influential. It was just the first to do 3d platforming - but plenty of games have been in development for a long time when SM64 came out. Tomb Raider, to name a popular one.

>>3476998
arguably, Tetris is more influential than anything else listed in the thread so far.

I'd also put Donkey Kong Country there, for starting the shitty CGI fad of the mid 90s.

>>3490260
Dune just spawned the fad where the resources were some shit spread over terrain that you gathered with harvesters.

More modern RTS have gone back to favouring resource generating nodes that you capture, which has its roots in Empire.

> Ctrl-F
> "Halo"
> Not Found

>>3507372
More like it's roots in Herzog Zwei

>>3507372
Empire isn't even real time strategy, but rather turn based.

>>3507384
>implying

>>3505954
I like Tomb Raider but it plays like ass compared to Mario 64. Repositional camera, camera-relative movement and emphasis on analog controls all became standard for 3D games following Mario 64, and the tank control scheme from Tomb Raider fell out of style by the next console generation.

>>3509408
>3D
Should be 3rd person