/vr/ - Retro Games

yes it's a good console

No it's a /vr/ meme

>>3482463
I got one last year. I did not have a Saturn growing up but really really really wanted one as a kid.

I would say if you can chip the console, it's worth the money. Collecting can be painful if you're just filling out a collection of worthwhile games. On the flip side, this system really does have a small english catalog for its time. If you can read moonrunes then you get a great console.

also here's a review of a laser replacement SD card reader: http://www.retrocollect.com/Reviews/hardware-review-rhea-phoebe-sd-card-enabled-sega-saturn-cd-drive-replacement.html

oh wow. i thought the whole time the saturn read discs

>>3482506
You could at least try to be funny, you know

>>3482463
best console EVAH

Not as bad as the Master System, 32X, or MegaCD.
Not as good as the Dreamcast or Mega Drive.

>>3482838
bump

>>3482463

If you like fighting games, it's a solid buy.

>>3482463
Good for 2D fighters, and other 2D games. Know that prices for game can easily be cheap for some and insanely expensive for a lot of others (especially non-Japanese games).

>>3482463

Yes but collecting for it is expensive as fuck

>>3482463
Yes, but not for buying. Pirate it or emulate it; it's probably the most expensive retro system out there.

hmm, would it make sense for sega to release a machine that's all the segashit combined?

aside from the copyright bullshit they'd have to endure.

>>3484459
No, the Genesis, Saturn, and DC are all very different machines. Would make more sense for a dev like M2 to create a god-tier Saturn emulator (which I hope they do eventually, it would be the only way some Saturn games will ever be re-released)

>>3482463
I'd like to know too. I'm trying to decide between a Saturn or a Dreamcast, having a tough time.

>>3482491
How economical is that? I've already got an action replay flashed with pseudo Saturn and I bought a spindle of 100 CD-Rs at Goodwill for $4. Any reason to switch over to that? I kinda like swapping discs. It makes it feel more genuine.

>>3484562
I have a Phoebe (130 euro) and GDEMU (110 euro). While physical discs are nice, nothing beats the feeling of never having to worry about your disc drive dying. All ODEs (Rhea, Phoebe, GDEMU) are extremely hard to get though and require you to always be monitoring the GDEMU blog for the next ordering window.

>>3484410
>it's probably the most expensive retro system out there.

Speaking of Saturn, what's the best Android emu?

I really want to play Albert Odyssey.

>>3484993
Neo Geo is more of a novelty thing though.

>>3485020
>saturn emulator
>saturn emulator on android

>>3484993
Have you looked at prices lately?

>>3484543
I was in the same boat last week until i decided on a Dreamcast. I ended up getting a Japanese one with a VMU, pad, Grandia II and Yuki Katarai. Got it for £55 shipped, console isn't yellowed either.

>>3485052
>People buy disc rot on purpose

Just modchip it like a normal person.

I LOVE REPLACING BATTERIES AND SEEING ALL MY SAVES DIE EVERY TIME.

>>3482463
>is the saturn a good console thinking of buying one
No, you should use one of many excellent emulators available.

You can't take arcade games, advanced computer graphics in the arcade world, and run them on the most advanced PC today. But you can run them on Saturn. Saturn is more advanced than either Playstation or Nintendo 64. It has two 32-bit processors in it.

>>3485286
What is this board's problem with understanding context? That came from someone saying to emulate or pirate games because it's an expensive system to collect for. You're for the original opinion, but it's phrased like your against it.

Just emulate it (with Mednafen Saturn core).

This is coming from someone that actually owns one.

>>3485703
I can't get it to work any video tutorials out there?

Get a Japanese saturn or American saturn with Action replay, and then start getting imports. A good amount of nice import games with minimal moon runes are out there for reasonable prices. Here's some good cheap import saturn games:

Virtua Fighter 2 - Great fighter, runs smooth as silk.

Sonic Jam - Japanese version going up in price, but it doesn't have much moon runes, and it's pretty fun.

Rockman 8 - A pretty good 2D game

Panzer Dragoon - A must play, it has moon runes for story, but easy to understand.

>>3485803
Do you have "sega_100a.bin" & "mpr-17933.bin" in the system folder?

The game files must also be:

>bin+cue files
>With US region (you can patch them with SRP3.0GE which is what I do)
>Have no weird characters/numbers of any kind (i.e. vampiresavior.bin/cue, not vampire_savior).

And don't forget to open up the cue file with notepad and change the name of the bin file it's suppose to read.

Mednafen Saturn plays games perfectly, no joke, but it's a picky bitch in terms of accepting the files. Try the darkwater releases in theisozone.com

>>3482463
the console will be your cheapest purchase. Ram cart, games, region mods, replaced battery... all start at around $100 and up to $500.

>>3486728
I got my action replay new for 40bux and the battery was pretty easy to replace, not really too expensive.

I have yet to do some hardcore modding to it though.

>>3487860
bump

>>3482463
No.
The games are in a weird transition age. The games are overpriced for how fun they are. The dreamcast is better. The consoles break easy.

>>3482463

Yes, it has some amazing gems that can't be had elsewhere and is a super comfy machine.

>>3485703
>recommending an emulator that's essentially in initial test stages

>>3490358
>recommending an emulator that's essentially in initial test stages

Big deal, it works perfectly. It's just a bit of a pain setting it up, but if you're not new to emulators, it shouldn't be an issue.

>>3486081
>games have to be in US region

What a fucking joke.

Dropped.

>>3490509
You can patch them literally instantly.

But yeah, I'd guess it's something to do with the bios.

All I'm gonna say is:

The small library of the N64, the early 3d of the Playstation, and the high price tag of the Turbografx, all in one inconvenient package. If you want good games, prepare to buy an Action Replay and imports, or shell out major cash.

>>3491382
or buy an Action Replay, flash it, and spend a little dosh on CD-Rs

>>3482463
If you like arcade games it's awesome, but even then it's WAY too expensive to collect for since games often go for $100+.

I guess this is the saturn thread.

Where can I find good rips of saturn games? Emuparadise has a bunch of shit: lossy iso/mp3 rips, and tons of proprietary shit like .mdf/.mds files and .ccd/.img/.sub files.

I'm all set up to burn .bin and .cue just fine, is there any reason you HAVE to use one of the other formats?

Isozone has some nice rips but is slow as hell

>>3485289
im suprised someone hasent made a mod that keeps date and time

>>3485289
I just boot mine up and its literally 1/1/94 again.

Just because I was actually playing SNES on that day is alright, because this is like an alternate timeline.

>>3482463
No.

>>3485289
>not doing an fram mod

>>3493004
They have. It's called a battery.

>>3484459
If someone wanted to they could. Sega will license there shit to anyone. There are quite a few repro megadrives that are pretty shitty, that sega has licensed.

>>3484620
Dunno they looks like a pain in the arse to use with that button you gotta press to swap games, with no front end. Ill be waiting for that USB adapter.

>>3485613
Context:
Collects are retards.

If you wanna play the game, pirate or emulate, no game is worth $1000

>>3492954
Rutracker has a torrent

https://rutracker org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4761661

>>3486081
>Mednafen Saturn plays games perfectly

Yeah, no. Sound glitches and slowdowns up the ass. Panzer Dragoon for instance is unplayable. The only acceptable results I had was Elevator Action Returns which run really good, but it isn't a demanding game to begin with.

>>3486081
>Mednafen Saturn plays games perfectly

Yeah, no. Sound glitches and slowdowns up the ass. Panzer Dragoon for instance is unplayable. The only acceptable results I had was Elevator Action Returns which runs really good, but it isn't a demanding game to begin with.

>>3490514
>You can patch them literally instantly.

I don't feel like patching 1000 bin/cues manually one by one.


Doesn't that shit have a region free mode? SSF can do it, in two different ways (either use no bios, or use a region free patched bios).

>>3493598
>Dunno they looks like a pain in the arse to use with that button you gotta press to swap games, with no front end. Ill be waiting for that USB adapter.

There is a frontend. You only need to power the machine off and back on if you want to switch games. But you can pick games on your boot up.

>>3492954
>proprietary shit like .ccd/.img/.sub files.

ccd is literally the same as bincue, it just uses a different file to store the TOC instead of a cue sheet. You can even pair up a cue with the img file, since it is literally the same as the bin file in a bincue.

There are even multiple programs that can create ccd rips, so there is definitely nothing proprietary about it.

>>3493760
I don't think cue can use the .sub file though, which contains the subchannel data which is useful for making 1:1 copies.

So the most economical way to get into saturn would just be going with Psuedo Saturn right?

It's got some fun games and shit. I got one for relatively cheap.

Don't get it if you're thinking of it like a dream cast though, saturns don't like being modified or using burnt cds.

>>3493608

post the magnet link pls

i can't read that

Because Sega ported so many arcade games to this, the official peripherals are supported by a ton of games, and they work very well for how cheap they are. That's my favorite thing about the Saturn.

>>3493792

I just bought into the meme.

You need

- a saturn
- a saturn controller
- a saturn a/v cord
- an action replay (china clones work great) - #30-40
- 1 retail disk of your region
- a good quality CD-R
- the ability to burn .iso to cdr
- long philips #2 screwdriver

backups don't come as .iso, you have to be set up at least to play .bin and .cue

>>3494625

oh, and a saturn power cord.

It's the same one as the PS1, PS2, and the Dreamcast though. Just a simple AC cord.

>>3494625
>>3494632

You confirm that your Saturn plays retail disks. You confirm that your Action Replay will boot up when in the cart slot.

You burn "Pseudo Saturn Kai" to a CD-R. google it.

You open up your saturn with the screwdriver and tape up the "disk tray open" sensor.

You do the swap trick to boot "Pseudo Saturn Kai". Insert your Action Replay. Use the on-screen commands to install the firmware to it. There's instructions on the pseudo saturn kai site.

That's it, now you can burn games to disk. of course, you'll have a hard time if you're stallman like me because of all the nonfree software you need to use to burn common rips.

>>3493760

subchannel information, retard

>>3493792
Yes. Minus the CD burning part, it only cost me 60 bucks to get everything I needed. The only downside is that my particular Saturn doesn't support the most current Pseudosaturn release, so I can't play Panzer Dragoon Zwei or Saga. That's not a bad trade.

What would a good price for a Saturn, all the cords, and a controller or two be? I intend to play games on it.

>>3494956
>I intend to play games on it.
That's good to know.
Price totally depends on model and where you are.

>>3493791
>>3494676
subchannel is literally only useful for CD+G. And it is impossible to read them properly, so you can't make 1:1 copies of them.

And you can pair a bincue with a .sub file if the burning app can support it. I remember Blindwrite being able to rip and burn subcodes next to bincue.

Either way, subcodes are not proprietary either, and bincue sucks horribly. Doesn't even support multisession, and every app rips bincue completely differently.

>>3493792
>So the most economical way to get into saturn would just be going with Psuedo Saturn right?

No, it is in fact way down in the list:
- emulators (free)
- swap trick (requirement: 1 original game)
- modchip ($25 canadian dollars last time I checked)
- Pseudo Saturn (requirement: Action Replay + 1 original game to do swap trick to flash your Action Replay to Pseudo Saturn, AR costs $30-40 USD)
- getting an SD loader (between 130-200€, if available)
- getting originals (requires infinite money)

>>3494934
>he only downside is that my particular Saturn doesn't support the most current Pseudosaturn release,

I thought that that only depended on the type of cart you flash, and not on the type of the Saturn. What makes your particular Saturn not support the latest Pseudo?

Is there a fucking SD card loading method for the Saturn yet? Chances are that one could pretty easily make a SD "flashcart" of sorts via the passthrough port

>>3496749
Has been for 2 years.

>>3496816
https://github.com/tpunix/SAROO

>>3496863
That's chinese vapourware.

Pic related is the SD card loader for Saturn.

Looking forward to this being productized:

I'll grab a white Japanese saturn when you can load everything off an SD card.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/after-20-years-a-new-hack-gets-around-the-sega-saturns-copy-protection/

>>3497478
>I'll grab a white Japanese saturn when you can load everything off an SD card.

You already can...
>>3497384

Let's start a list of the must own Sega Saturn games.

I know the CPS2 fighting game ports are on there. What are some other must own Saturn games?

>>3497491

Is that a product based on the recent hack linked above?

Link to sales?

>>3497507
No, it is independent of that, and it replaces the CD Drive.

>>3485020
uoyabause. Easily. Runs really well on a Shield Tablet. Retroarch now has a Mednafen Saturn core as well, I believe.

>>3493640
>Panzer Dragoon for instance is unplayable

What's your cpu? The emulator runs on software alone and is pretty intensive. I have an i5 4460 and haven't had any problem so far.

>>3493754

This emu literally just came out and the devs themselves said it's just an early release, not the real deal. The thing is, it runs so stupidly good for an early version that people are already talking about it like it's finished.

>>3482463
>saturn a good console
No

>>3498252
>The thing is, it runs so stupidly good for an early version that people are already talking about it like it's finished.

It doesn't run stupidly good, it is just that every other Saturn emulator author thinks that their 10 years of work to be able to run 1/3rd of the graphics of the BIOS is noteworthy.

>>3493032
>>3498372
Bernie, go away