/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3481104
The guy who also did Powerslave EX?
He's been silent because he doesn't want it taken down like the already mentioned project.

Who cares, it's not like it's going to be any good anyway. All the behaviours would be redone by him and in that regard, Powerslave EX is completely inaccurate in all aspects.

Besides, looks like we may get the real thing at some point >>3476239

>>3481110
Let me add that Powerslave has much simple behaviour than Blood.

Thanks guys

>>3481110

I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong otherwise.

>>3481353
How are you gonna get the dynamite throwing to feel just right?

>>3481353
Whether we get an official one or not, I believe we'll have a real port at some point. I think you should concentrate your efforts on something else.

>>3481360

I can already see NESfag rolling his eyes when I say this.

I've extracted the speed and momentum values from the assembly and then tweaking them so they are consistent with the custom engine's units for movement. The custom engine is all floating point while the original game was fixed point so there will be some inconsistencies, though I am considering switching to using all fixed point.

There's also a lot of iterations/trial and errors to make it feel right as well. Eventually, I do intend on asking around for testers to ensure that everything feels right.

Even if BloodEX doesn't kick off, I still intend on using the engine as an GPL-alternative to BUILD.

>>3481378
I'll re-focus on something else when they make some sort of official announcement.

In before the official version is as screwed up as that new Duke 3D that's coming out. In the case that happens, Blood EX should be released anyway. AAA devs don't know how to update old material respectfully.

>>3481383
> I still intend on using the engine as an GPL-alternative to BUILD.

Why ? If it's for a fan remake, you're still infringing the game's licence even if you don't use Build.

The only reason I can guess to this is if you want to make a modern port/remake of a Build game which sourcecode is lost. For instance, the PC version of Powerslave, which could also explain why PowerslaveEX got taken down.

Please don't ruin PC Powerslave.

Also, a remake of Powerslave would work MUCH better using a modern version of Build, a là EDuke32. But yes, if you did that, you'd have to pay royalties to Ken Silverman.

>>3481403
>AAA devs don't know how to update old material respectfully.
I find it outstanding (and sad) how I can't come up with a single example to contradict this.

>>3481408
>The only reason I can guess to this is if you want to make a modern port/remake of a Build game which sourcecode is lost.

What I mean by that, an official remake, for sale.

>>3481410
>I find it outstanding (and sad) how I can't come up with a single example to contradict this.
Resident Evil's remake.

>>3481383
neat

>>3481408
Could also be Redneck Rampage I guess, either of the two, other Build games are either taken (SW, DN3D), or you'd never get the rights (Blood), or not worth caring about on a financial point of view (Witchaven 1 and 2, WWII GI, NAM, Tekwar).

But I'm more inclined to say Powerslave. Perhaps some modern PC remake that includes both a remake of the PS1 and PC versions. Ttoo bad, the Saturn version is the best version over the PS1 one, YT video related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfxUZqHWcw

Don't fuck this up. Use Build for the Build version.

>>3481360
there's much more to blood than just dynamite throwing ffs

>>3481546
No there isn't.

>>3481393
Every idiot is gonna end up playing your abomination instead of the real game and think it's legit lol. I saw that one webm of the tommy gun in your version and it looked like it had pinpoint accuracy to cross-hair, which is obviously not how the gun should be as the gun has a lot of recoil. That really screws up the balance because there will be no more need to switch to an actual long range weapon for distance enemies, and you could easily shoot a cultist with the tommy gun accurately from the distance. One of the best things about Blood is how you gotta get close with weapons like tommy gun and shotty to make the shots count and conserve ammo properly. And if tommy gun is boned then I doubt the other weapons will be appropriate either.

Oh well it's only video games.

>>3481556
Sure thing fuckstick.

>>3481546
Sure thing buddy

>>3481569
Keep samefagging fuckstick.

>>3481578
Stay delusional tardboy

>>3481617
So all of Blood's gameplay mechanics including movement, enemy behaviour and AI, physics, gunplay and damage modeling is all taken care of simply by dynamite throw mechanics right? Eat shit you fucking idiot. If you're not a fan of the game why even pretend to be? If you want widescreen and 1080p that bad why not just stick to BloodCM and pat yourself on the back for playing another piece of shit that masquerades as the game?

>>3481641
Sounds like someone's in denial over here.

>>3481383
I love your work man, I wish you the best and don't let a sad autist whose only skill is namefagging on an anonymous board bring you down.

>>3481654
NESfag is right though. /vr/'s FPS community is a joke.

>>3481665
Nice try NESfag, you can stop pretending now.

>>3481665
He's just butthurt people play Doom through gzdoom with mouselook instead of through DOSbox for the real doom experience.

>>3481669
Whatever helps you sleep. I don't agree with NESfag on some things - e.g. his opinions regarding Quake are retarded - but here he is 100% correct.

>>3481672
This is some serious deja vu from a BloodCM thread we had once. I use ZDoom myself which happens to be a good source port using Doom's actual source code. What I wouldn't like is some game that inaccurately pretends to be Doom by trying to estimate its behaviours empirically. That wouldn't be Doom, that would be an imitation, which is what BloodCM is and what Kaiser's project is going to be, even if he put more effort into it than BloodCM.

>>3481682
>I don't agree with NESfag on some things
>he is 100% correct

>>3481665
>>3481682
Jesus christ, stop embarassing yourself

>>3481682
Didn't stop OpenXcom or OpenRCT2 from being good even if they weren't 100% accurate.

>>3481687
Read the full sentence again very slowly my retarded anonymous companion.

>>3481691
I see you can't refute any of the points I made so you've resorted to ad hominem. This actually is just like the BloodCM thread. Hell I bet you're one of the fags that was crying when people told you it was a piece of shit.

>>3481695
>Damage control: The post by NESfag

>>3481696
gg ez

>>3481672
I honestly can't remember the last time I played Doom in DOS. I use (g)zdoom and sometimes with mouselook, even though it can be cheating so I try to avoid to use it to get the upper hand in gameplay situations.

In terms of "purists", or "autism", whatever you call it, there is definitely worse than me on this board, like the "how it's intended to be played on a CRT emulation is a sin" kind. But then again some of these are people who live in Europe and who'd rather play a bad slowed down 50hz port of an American/Jap game than to play it in 60hz through emulation, so I'm not sure what kind of "purist" they are.

I however don't understand why someone would willingly play a recreation of a game which gameplay is completely off when the actual thing is still there to be played. I guess they're not allergic to using DOS(box), but if that's the case, don't play DOS games. But there is also what he said >>3481562

>>3481682
>Quake
I've replayed both add-ons. Can you remind me what you said was wrong about Scourge of Armagedon ? Because I enjoyed both add-ons a lot, although the Egypt themed maps of Dissolution were probably the best.

I'm actually currently playing the Saturn version of Quake because I've become a sucker for Lobotomy Software. The main interest are 4 exclusive levels made by them, but I'm actually (mostly) enjoying the game. Yes, I know, Quake on Saturn IS an inferior recreation in another engine which gameplay behaviour are off; so it can sound like it doesn't fit with my stand on Blood recreations and what I just said. However there is no denying it's off and inferior, I'm mostly interested in Lobotomy's work.

>>3481665
>/vr/'s FPS community is a joke.
Yes it is, and there is a very simple explanation why :^)

>>3481712
That's a whole lot of projecting in one post.

>>3481708
Nigga it's not that you like the expansions (whatever, they're okay, just not better than the original), it's the fact that I've seen you shit on Quake multiple times. I don't agree with you there at all but that's another can of worms. btw /vr/ is way too small a board since you recognised me so easily lol.

>>3481734
>shitting on Quake
I know exactly what you're referring to, me criticizing enemy placement and traps, but I don't remember what you said was so bad about the add-ons, since I don't expect Kaiser to answer my assumptions since he's probably already said too much (I just hope he does a passable work on whatever Build game he's being paid to remake), we might as well use this thread.
Also, I don't hate Quake, I happen to even play some usermaps from times to times. Because I nitpick on one thing doesn't mean I have extreme opinion on the entire thing. For instance, see this thread, and yet I bought and played Strife-VE (although that new map was nothing special really).

> btw /vr/ is way too small a board since you recognised me so easily lol.

There is also what is said and how it is said. After a decade on 4chan, you should become quite good at guessing who's who by reading posts, unlike this guy who's obviously new at this >>3481669

>>3481752
>you should become quite good at guessing who's who by reading posts

Why?
Nobody gives two shits about you or your autistic opinion.

>>3481712
>>3481714
Actually I take that back image is very accurate.

>>3481669
>implying it's NESfag

You need at least three more paragraphs of inane rambling for that to be him.

>>3481712
When is Doombabby guy gonna come back? I really miss his insane rants that derailed entire threads.

>>3481889
Because it fucking helps when you're arguing with someone about trivial retro games details and that somebody else jumps into the discussion to shit his Opinion and you don't want to mistake this guy with the one you were talking to. Modern 4chan makes it even easier since it tells you how many different people have posted in a single thread.

Contrary to popular belief it's the main reason why I use a name.

>>3482872
>Contrary to popular belief it's the main reason why I use a name.

Good thing we can use that to filter your shit taste and autism.

kys

>>3482915
And that, is actually the other reason. If you're so offended by the fact that someone using a pseudo name, or if you're so offended to have to read opinions that don't fit yours on a goddamn forum, I don't see the point in talking with you, which won't happen if you filter me. Filtering has existed for as long as I remember being here, almost a decade, it's not like I don't know about it.

>>3482915
>Good thing we can use that to filter you
good thing you actually do that. oh w8

As posted by dosnostalgic

>>3484840
Original

>>3484840
>>3484841
Just woke up and posted in wrong topic...

>>3481110
Powerslave EX is still a fantastic way to play the game and a more enjoyable experience than on the original Saturn/PS1 hardware. Beyond notions of "muh" authentic experience, EX only improved Powerslave and I'd more than welcome a similar port of Blood if it meant being able to play it with decent mouse controls on modern systems.

>>3481110
piss off sperg

>>3484932
Player movement is completely innacurate, even more so underwater. Enemies behaviour, be it movement or the way they attack, is completely innacurate. Weapons behaviour is completely innacurate. In other words, everything gameplay related is completely innacurate, and when I say that, I don't mean "it's a little off" as in "the amun bomb will be thrown slightly farther or faster", I mean it's NOTHING like the PS1 version, it's off the roof.

The only thing PowerslaveEX is good for is admiring the levels while listening to the music, and even then it's still being played in another engine anyway so the whole point of that is kinda null. You're better off watching a let's play on youtube.

On top of that, EX is based on the PS1 version, which in terms of gamepaly, is an inferior port of the Saturn version which had much more interesting gameplay mechanics and balance. So EX is like a fucked up version of a worse version.

I don't believe you know Powerslave.
I don't believe you've ever played either of the console version and I don't believe you even heard of it before EX was made. If you did, you'd have noticed how fucked up everything is just a few seconds into playing EX.

This has nothing to do "my authentic experience", this only has to do with "playing the goddamn game".

As for controls, both the Saturn and PS1 versions have perfectly fine controls. They even included failsafes for platforming segments, for instance in the Saturn version if you're on the ledge of a platform, you can bruteforce get back on it; and in the PS1 version it's like there is an invisible ledge around each platform so that the player can't fall off by mistake, or so that jumps don't have to be pixel perfect. Don't expect this kind of subtle details to be in EX, which actually makes jumping segments WORSE in it. So much for your advanced controls.

>>3484948
Now imagine someone makes an illegal remake of Doom in Build, Quake or Source Engine. Movement speed is not the same. Firing rate of yours weapon is not same and so are damage values, let's say for instance, the pistol becomes much more powerful but the shotgun becomes less powerful (apply this to all weapons). Then, the enemies don't behave the same, their movement speed is different, the way they shoot at you is different and they have a harder time tracking you.

But it supports "widescreen support", "high resolution" and shiny lights. Now let's pretend Doom sourceports don't exist; and everyone clueless motherfucker on earth who hasn't played Doom in 15 years, or have never played it, come claiming this remake is greatest thing ever and the best way to play Doom.

That's PowerslaveEX, BloodCM, and all other shit like that.

>>3484951
Exactly. Don't bother with this board though, it's worthless.

To be honest. I am making shit up, because Kaiser touched me in bad spot.

>>3484948
>>3484951
I'd appreciate if you stopped posting this autism under my name.
Thanks.

>>3484948
>I don't believe you know Powerslave.
>I don't believe you've ever played either of the console version and I don't believe you even heard of it before EX was made. If you did, you'd have noticed how fucked up everything is just a few seconds into playing EX.
BloodCMfags in a nutshell. Same as the Blood "fans" itt waiting for Kaiser's imitation, who are the same idiots itt getting mad at real fans of Blood for saying the truth, who are also the "Doom babbies" described here >>3481712. Pottery.

>>3484948
>>3484951
Jesus Christ

>>3484948
Before I filter you I might as well let you know that actually yes, I had the full PS1 version of Exhumed when I was younger, and even then wished for a smoother framerate and better controls. EX addressed those admittedly subjective issues for me just fine.

>>3484948
>everyone clueless motherfucker on earth who hasn't played Doom in 15 years, or have never played it, come claiming this remake is greatest thing ever and the best way to play Doom
Would you please calm your tits? Unlike Doom, the source ports of Blood and Powerslave indeed do NOT exist, Saturn Powerslave is unplayable on emulators and Blood in Dosbox has a borderline playable framerate on almost every configuration (and i say it after beating it on my old PC back in ~2000s and two times on a Dosbox). CM or EX is not the best way to play them both for sure, but for the people who are just curious about the atmosphere it is surely a good one (maybe even the only reasonable one for Powerslave since the PC version is inferior to console versions and has the usual DOSbox performance problems).

>>3485056
>real fans of Blood
That must be you.
>saying the truth
And that must be your autism.

>>3482947
>forum
kys

>>3485080
It's funny how all you can do is wail 'autism' etc while providing absolutely nothing to refute any of the points made. It's okay if you wanna play a piece of shit imitation but why get so upset at actual fans defending games they like? And why do you pretend to be fans of said games? If anything your touch of the 'tism is more severe kiddo.

>tfw the doom babbies meme is real

>>3485023
pls stop misusing my name. I have earned the respect from all /vr/ by sharing my objective opinions with you.

You all should be glad that I'm still here, giving you a taste of the wonderful person that I am.

Seriously stop impersonating me, it's making wife's son real sad.

>>3485075
lol sure you did kid. how convenient that you don't own it anymore because then a timestamp would have been so easy to provide :^)

>>3485101
>while providing absolutely nothing to refute any of the points made
How about you actually read the second sentence in my post?
>It's okay if you wanna play a piece of shit imitation
Thank you very much for your approval.
>why get so upset at actual fans defending games they like
>actual fans
No, no, no. That's not how that works.
You see, fans are the ones remaking game in every way possible even without the code avaliable to make the game accessible for everyone willing to play. There are lots of shit in their work, granted, but hey - 'least they are not bitter cucks namefagging on anonymous image board getting upset when somebody does something not their way, right?
By the way - who are the "unactual" fans, since your post implies their existence?

>>3485117
>By the way - who are the "unactual" fans, since your post implies their existence?
Shitheads like you that wanna play cheap imitation mechanics instead of the real game when it plays perfectly fine on DOSBox.

>>3485118
>Shitheads like you that wanna play cheap imitation
>>3485101
>It's okay if you wanna play a piece of shit imitation
Upset, are we? :^)

>>3485120
lol it's okay if you wanna play it but don't get mad when actual fans defend the real game like you're doing now kiddo. why do you keep pretending to be a fan tho?

>>3485125
>actual fans defend the real game like you're doing now
What?
>pretending to be a fan
The fuck does it even mean? Are you on drugs?

>>3485056
>>3485101
We know it's you NESfag

>>3485129
read the sentence very slowly darling, hopefully you'll get it eventually

>>3485131
lol this meme again

>>3485075
> I had the full PS1 version of Exhumed when I was younger

Yeah so you haven't played it a long time? Like in my example with Doom.

>for a smoother framerate and better controls. EX addressed those admittedly subjective issues for me just fine.
EX doesn't fix any of Powerslave's issues because it's not Powerslave.

>>3485078
>Saturn Powerslave is unplayable on emulators
Not true. I have the PAL Saturn version but I also played the NTSC-U version (been looking for the NTSC-J version forever with no luck...) on Yabause, and it works perfectly fine.
I know Saturn Powerslave like the back of my hand, I did a speedrun for it by finding ways to exploit amun bomb jumping to its maximum and even found new tricks which were never shown before, so I'm pretty tight on the game's mechanics and the only inacuracy of playing it in Yabause was that the background image of the loading screen doesn't show. It's perfectly 100% playable.

> Blood in Dosbox has a borderline playable framerate on almost every configuration
That is exagerated. On my old dual core 2,5ghz the game played perfectly smoothly, 60FPS minimum all times, in 320*240. That's far from unplayable, and a dual core 2,5ghz is a toaster these days.

>maybe even the only reasonable one for Powerslave since the PC version is inferior to console versions and has the usual DOSbox performance problems
About performance. Blood is the only Build game with this issue and the PC version of Powerslave should run perfectly fine on its max resolution (640*480) on something like the toaster mentioned above. Now though, the PC version is completely different game, but if you want to play the console versions on PC they both work perfectly fine emulated.

I have nothing personal against Kaiser and he seems to be an at least decent programmer, but I think he's wasting his time and effort with those.

>>3485132
>>3485136
wew look at those post times turns out I'm not nesfag

Honestly there is nothing wrong with BloodCM.
It just triggers me that something is accessible to someone of lower intelect than myself.

>>3485132
You are so buttdevastated that you actually post in lower case only and without punctuation marks. My god.

>>3485140
you get triggered by lower case? lol

Not to mention PowerSlave EX makes the Saturn I bought on ebay completely useless :(

>>3485078
Blood ran buttersmooth on any DOS based Windows before XP released. And it runs fine on DOSBox at 800x600 provided you don't have a toaster. There are also successful guides to get it running at 1280 x 1024 if resolution is the only thing you care about, which it seems to be if you're willing to play a cheap knockoff just because it gets 1080p widescreen support.

>>3485164
t. luddite

>>3485137
Nevermind I was just using my phone :^)

>>3485136
>the game played perfectly smoothly, 60FPS minimum all times, in 320*240. That's far from unplayable,
For doom babbies it is :^)

and you vags are falling on the >>>/v/ fuckwad's baits

but then our janitor is a fat retrad jerk who bans 8bitdm posts...