/vr/ - Retro Games

I like Zanac x Zanac.

Definitely DoDonpachi, although I have a soft spot for the Shikigami no Shiro series, Sengoku Blade and basically any Psykio game

My heart says Gradius 5, but granted, I don't play that many shmups.

Dodonpachi Daioujou, Black Label.
That's my personal favourite, although there are other contenders.

I really should finish my 2-ALL...

There are subgenres within the shmup genre itself, so:

>R-Type
>Showed how shmup gameplay can be more than just shooting. Also: Atmosphere.
>Dodonpachi
>Introduction to the bullet hell scene. So much stuffs to shoot and see!
>EspGaluda 2
>Showed how advanced scoring systems can change the way one plays. Great replayability.
>Touhout
>Like using the first iPhone in 2007: Less is more. Reduced everything to its core. Incredibly polished in its own way.

People are probably gonna say my taste is shit but I love Raiden 2, Aero Fighters 2, and TRUXTON on the Sega Genesis

Senko no Ronde Special

eschatos, it's not all that amazing objectively speaking, but I found it more fun than almost any other shmup I've played

>>3478394
>What is the greatest ShooTing Game (STG)

Say no more phamilia.

>>3478394
Armed Police Batrider.

Plenty of characters, interesting character combinations, great name and Aussie annuncer.

>>3478394
STG is literally the most retarded acronym I can think of.

Giga Wing. Something about that reflect mechanic is just very fun to play with.

What's up with that cover? Worst cover I've seen for Ikaruga by far. Fucking PAL.

>>3479524
Frothing demand increases

>>3479524
Cover's fine, Ikaruga is overrated shit.

>>3479564
t. asspained Sonygger over never getting any good Treasure videogames.

>>3478394
Truxton or G-Darius. I'm not a fan of the shmup genre, it really takes something that's genuinely fun for me to get into one.

These two are the best I've played.

>>3479568
>good Treasure videogames

>>3479580
Fuck off, contrarian.

Blazing Lazers/Gunhed. Without a doubt.

>playing Treasure trash when R-type 3, Delta or G-Drius exist
how much bad taste can one person have.

>>3479628
>playing IREM and taito trash when Radiant Silvergun, Ikaruga, Sin & Punishment and Bangai-O exist

LMFAO

In the Hunt and Xexex

>>3479607
Fuck yeah, Gunhed!

>>3478394
>babby's first shmup from babby's first niche developer

>>3479638
>defending treasure trash
laughingopaopa.jpg

>>3478419
Konami ip with Treasure developers. Pure fucking class.

>>3479646
>i-i-i-i-if I keep calling Treasure's games trash it'll come true

Your faux arcade elitism isn't working here, champ.

>>3479662
Responding to shitposting is shitposting. Report. IGNORE.

>>3479661
GSOAT

>>3479136
>LET'S ASS KICK TOGETHER

>>3479662
R-type - genre defining arcade and console game popular through being actually good and successful.
Ikaruga - hipster trash popular through "le hardest shmup evar maymays" and "dreamcast isn't dead guys it still gets games!(in japan)"

>>3478448
The Raiden series is awesome. Played all of them except 4 which I just found out got released on steam, got to check that shit out

>>3478454
What I liked the most about Eschatos was the graphics. Seriously. 8 bit is all the rage in indie circles but there are almost no games that replicate the simplicity of early 3D games from the 90's. Eschatos is one of the rare games that, intentionally or not, nails that look.

>>3479680
>genre-defining
It was a mediocre Gradius ripoff with a pod gimmick. Kill yourself.

>>3478394
Some of these may be nostalgia but here's my list

Ikaruga
Cool scoring system, I would be autistic over trying to get an S+ rank on all the levels. Fantastic production values.

G-Darius
Amazing soundtrack holy shit. Also, KAMEHAMEHA BEAM NIGGAS

Gradius V
Probably the production values again. Neat upgrade system, but all Gradius has that.

Crimzon Clover
first bullet hell i played that's still hard but able to 1CC

>>3479698
>mediocre
It's like you're describing everything made by treasure

>>3479707
So they've gone from trash to just average? Well, alright then.

Personally my favorite shmup is pic-related.

>>3479564
>Ikaruga is overrated shit.

Still better than any Psikyo, Cave, or Raizing game.

>>3479564
Is it opposite day for you?

>>3479698
That pod gimmick was pretty awesome though. R-type was extremely popular in the arcades, and imo one of the greatest 8-bit games of all time.

>>3479131
Kek. Was gonna post this. Terrible game though, ironically.

So what's the point of ShooTing Game threads? Arguing about which one is the ABSOLUTE BESTA and shitting on everything else?

I hate every single STG except for X.Multiply. Am I hip yet?

>>3479804
>Terrible game
>STG

Stupid fuck

>>3479661
That looks amazing. I didn't know it existed til now. Just watched a vid too,.

>>3479812
It's fucking shit, mate. It looks good but it's boring, repetitive and feels so soulless. It makes you realise that there's a subtle art to making a good shooter - and that it's so easy to get it wrong, when on paper the game ought to be good.

>>3479828
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. STG is fucking cool

>>3479827
Yep this is technically not /vr/, but if you have a PS2 you need to own this game.

>>3479815
That parallax tho.

>>3479843
For me it just lacks the "magic factor". Can't explain it but it seems there's something in the design of these games where shooting and moving about a bit can either be fun and absorbing or just really lame and tedious.

STG is the latter. Gradius and the like are the former. With STG I'm painfully aware that I'm sitting in a chair, holding a piece of plastic, occasionally pressing buttons. The whole point of a videogame is to make you forget this.

>>3478394
>STG


Fuck off.

>>3479869
In fact, when I borrowed the game off this girl, over 20 years ago, it was so laughably shit that me and my sister would mockingly shout "How's the Strike Gunner?" at her in the street, for quite some time afterwards.

>>3479874
Fuck on.

>>3479874
FUCK YOU TOO; STG IS THE FUCKING BOMB; GO GET SOME TASTE

>>3479815
TF4 is bad ass but I hate how the only way to play it is memorizing it. Skills alone won't get you anywhere, and retaining your bonus weapons is nearly impossible.

I would've liked if, say, the blade and railgun weapons would've been permanent upgrades on that level where you get a booster.

I suppose it is not a surprise that I liked TFV way more, even if it was unpolished and felt unfinished (the demo version that dates back to 6 weeks before the final is just a mash-up of random enemies and uses placeholder TF4 graphics - they changed stuff around only for a little over a month compared to that, and it shows).

>>3479752
its really good, btw the cover looks newer than the version i got, maybe an update? fwiw there is an interview on the stgweekly twitter from about december last year with an interview with the creators, two dudes from germany/netherlands if im correct, anyway really cool game, can advise Hydorah and/or Cho Ren Sha 68k

MUSHA baby

>>3479927
Hi Mark.

>>3479698
>calling R-Type a mediocre Gradius ripoff
chug bleach

>>3480010
After you, edgelord with bad taste.

>>3479698
>>3480181
Gradius is a mediocre Scramble ripoff with a power-up gimmick.

>>3480181
You seem to be in the minority here buddy. Everyone and their dog played the hell out of R-Type back in the day. I don't think anyone is ripping on Gradius so your honor is intact.

>>3480194
Scramble is just a mediocre Space Odyssey ripoff with a bad aspect ratio.

>>3478394
SHOO
TING
GAME

>>3479869
That's because the SNES port is soft compared to the arcade original. In the arcade version you don't have the time to be aware of that because shit is fast. Hell if you happen to die in any stage past the first one you don't have the time to think about anything but how to survive those tank divisions ahead of you (tanks are pretty tough in that game).

>>3479781
>Still better than any Psikyo, Cave, or Raizing game.

Galaga.

Strikers 1945 plus or Galaga 88'

>>3480661
Shoo shoo, thing came.

>>3479136

Slightly higher resolution because Batrider is fucking awesome.

>>3479662
>>3479638
>>3479661
Treasure is gimmicks over substance. They're essentially shmups for people who don't like shmups.

>>3480896
Who's the artist here? it looks strangely familiar.

I'm a big Psikyo fan, I like how they make challenging games that aren't visually excessive.

The shmup genre was almost death by the time Ikaruga came out.

>>3480916
I think that the opposite it's true, people that don't like shmups hate on Ikaruga, cause it's a genuine game that they can't finish.

>>3481058
Dodonpachi is a game that pseudo-shmup fans tend to hate because it's too intense for them. Ikaruga is a game that can be beat without firing or much dodging with the help of the color change button, because it's less of a shmup and more of a poor puzzle game.

A good bunch of Ikrauga fans tend to hate on Dodonpachi for not being as sparkly as Ikrauga. Hmmm...

>>3481058
>>3481074

At least they have something in common, they're both vertis.

Horis are better.

>>3481225
That was cute.

But it's WRONG.

>>3481239

>not a CRT

gross.

Horis>vertis

dwi

>>3481240
The only really good hori, it's darius 2 for the triple screen.

Read the thread all of the favorites are vertis.

Those claustrophobic console horis are trash.

>>3481248

>read the thread

It's the same circlejerking and memes as always, do you think I'd trust your shit tastes?

>horis are only console games

That's how I know you haven't played many games, junior.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11174220

MUSHA is pretty much the best I have played.

But I would like to play some more with great visuals, music and in best case great story - tho that seems super rare
especially if you dont wanna be like a little girl floating

So M2 is remastering both Dangun Feveron and Battle Garegga only for PS4.

GET HYPE.

>>3481278
Mahou Daisakusen, aka Sorcer Striker (arcade only) is one of the best examples I've played recently of how to tell a story in a shmup. Not because there is loads and loads of text (there isn't), but because the way the levels are arranged, how the enemies appear, and whatnot tell a really exciting story with you as the main character.

Seirei Senshi Spriggan is somewhat similar in how it tells a story through level design, though that has short cutscenes between levels.

It is coincidental that Compile, who made MUSHA, had people who worked on both Mahou Daisakusen and Spriggan (along with MUSHA, presumably).

Also for comedy plots, no one beats Psikyo. That shit is gold. All of it.
Gunbird is also a really great-looking 2D game, as is Strikers 1945 (no real plot; just ww2 planes vs mechs).

>>3481058
Dragon Blaze is astonishing in how good it looks. While I think Psikyo ironed out the kinks in making pre-rendered look decent in Gunbird 2, Dragon Blaze is incredible to look at. I've no clue how they pulled it off.

>>3481698
Thanks, I shall check out Mahou Daisakusen and Spriggan.
I agree the right way to do story telling in shmups is through environment, you can do text and voice but dont interrupt the gameplay. if you do interrupt it better be amazingly well written then. and its pointless, just do it while the gameplay is naturally idling

Yea comedy bases shmups exist quite a few great ones. I meant more dramatic stories

>>3478394
video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AF09yhHY0M

>>3479915
Memorizing the cunt is worth it cause you get to hear the awesome music.

>>3481058
>I think that the opposite it's true, people that don't like shmups hate on Ikaruga, cause it's a genuine game that they can't finish.
I like shmups. I don't like Ikaruga.

Not because I can't finish it, it's because it's not a shmup, but a memorization puzzle game.

>>3482754
all shmups are "memorization puzzle games"

>>3482768
>all videogames are "memorization puzzle games"
ftfy

>>3478394

I really like Lords of Thunder even though I never actually beat it even with the money cheat, but unlike every other shmup sans infinite continues shmups, I cam pretty damn close, me like the shmups that give you fair changes the get powerups, also the bosses are cool

>>3479136
Probably this, although I've played tons of Psikyo lately, love their stuff.

>>3478394

>>3478394
Taito Ray-trilogy

>>3479564
None of the retards who say that have any argument.

>>3483317

m-muh non-traditional scoring system

>>3483302
Get hype for R-Gear sooner or later.

I love the game Hellfire for Genesis. I also liked Ikaruga, but I beat it. If you beat a shooter, it can't be the greatest. I have never found any other shooters I totally love.

>>3479924

The game hasn't had a major update since last year, and the artwork I put in my post was made for the 2014 version. BTW, it's a good idea to subscribe to Eboshidori's (one of the guys making Final Boss) channel because he always posts a video every time a major update comes out. (link: https://www.youtube.com/user/Eboshidori))

>>3478394
>100 replies

I hope you got the bites you wanted.

>>3479524
Fucking Atari you mean.

my favorite retro shmup i've played is cho ren sha, non retro would be mushihimesama. i haven't played a lot of shmups and i still suck, but i hope you guys will accept me because i played ikaruga and didn't enjoy it

I like r-type 3 and u.n. squadron on snes.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11174220/r

>>3483835
We hate CAVE around here.

>18 different stages

What did they mean by this

>>3484879
>We hate Treasure's shit around here.
*fix*

>>3481074
>Ikaruga is a game that can be beat without firing or much dodging with the help of the color change button
Try to complete Chapter 4 that way.

>>3484880
6 stages divided by 3 segments.

>>3484883
Wait, why? I don't see what's wrong with their games.

>>3484873

proxies are one hell of a drug

>>3484960

They're too popular for the average shmup contrarian hipster who was raised on emulators and 2hu.

Radiant Silvergun for its vision. It is inspiring.

>>3485579
>a game has vision

fedora=tipped

>>3478394
coin-flip between Gunhed and Bee Storm - DoDonpachi II

Hard to say, but I just tried Carrier Air Wing for the first time. It was fucking awesome. I wish there were more shoot em ups that used a lifebar system instead of one hit kills.

>>3483317
it doesn't have many levels.

the translation is terrible.

it's too hard.

but i still love that game.

i'll never beat it.

well, maybe i could try again...

>>3485579
I think I like it more than Ikaruga, even if RS is more anal about using the right weapons and playing the chain game.

It's a lot more creative and dynamic with its constant boss fights and sweeping scenery that you are not as easily burnt out on its "puzzle" sections as Ikaruga, which feels more sterile in comparison.

I like Ikaruga, but RS is the more fun game. Rev it up on those emulators! Play it on that 6 button pad! You'll have a good time you guys!

I really enjoy the purity of Judgement Silversword

I'm not sure if it's the best, but I think it's my favorite.

For a long while I used to play it for half an hour every morning, until my gamepad wore out too much to keep doing it.

I should get a replacement

>>3479915
>TF4 is bad ass but I hate how the only way to play it is memorizing it

You're talking about every single shmup ever made, you Cambodian.

>>3478394
I don't play a lot of shmps, but I'm rather fond of Gun Nac on the NES. It's really cute an comfy. I heard Compile, who made it, also made a bunch of other greats ones. So I'll probably try some of those some day.

>>3486937
Vulgus and Exed Exes are purely reaction-based (Vulgus moreso) because the random nature of enemy formations/spawns. Those two games are also excellent and very unique, especially Vulgus (I think that was capcom's first game? One of their first anyhow).

>>3486786
I think "good time" is misleading. It's probably one of the hardest shmups to learn because you are forced to play for score. And you aren't just holding down a fire button, you're learning how and when to use each of the weapons effectively. Also, the length? I don't see how someone can play it casually.

>>3484879
why's that?

Some of my faves include:
- Raiden I & II
- Tyrian 2000
- Zanac
- Gun Nac
- Demonstar

I'm not really well versed in the SHMUP genre, so what else would I like?

>>3487060
>Exed exes
All my exes live in Texas

>>3487060
i was gonna post this game. really addictive and never unfair, which is rare in these games. still my favorite shmup to this day

>>3489406
They couldn't make a fun scoring system to save their life.

>>3483835

back to /v/, kid and take your steam CAVE trash with you

>>3490332
I'd say bullet hells are crap, but that works too.

>tfw arena shmups are literally a niche subgenre of an already niche genre

>>3490332
I think the Ibara Kuro scoring is pretty fun!

Bump

>>3490986
More like Ibara Kuso.

Dangun has Cave's funnest scoring.

Gradius III, arcade version. not the watered down SNES port.

It is a fantastic torture simulator, especially when Konami decided to not include an option to continue on any revision ever.

What do STG fans think of chase-view shmups like Space Harrier?

>>3478394
Sora

favorite retro stg is Kamui

Beep

>>3485579
I like it for the silly engrish quotes, the music, the weapons, the bosses (Except Ultraman) and basically everything besides the difficulty.

Treasure games are ok, but they aren't a challenge, period.

>>3497357
>Treasure games are ok, but they aren't a challenge, period.

post your silvergun saturn mode score

>>3497364
Damn man.
I haven't started a file in silvergun for like four years.

I'm sure the rust is strong in me but believe me I'm good.
The game has enough depth and it's fun and pretty but it's not as demanding as any CAVE game besides of the need for a bit of patience since it's much longer than your everyday STG.

>>3479706
I got Crimzon Clover in a HIB once, it's pretty fun.

I really want to like the Gradius series, but they're way too hard for me to enjoy. Great music though!

>>3479128
MAH NIGGA

RS is the best and only shooter I've ever liked and enjoy, its simply astonishing in every way and this comes from someone that genuily hates shooters

How do STG aficionados regard chase-view shmups?

How do I make ChoRenSha 68K play in TATE mode?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf3jJ3YJ6YwrT8_9KUc8J5w/live

Watch someone have a mental breakdown over playing an STG.

I'm kind of new to the genre, but god damn. Every time I start playing a new one I go into full HOLY SHIT I LOVE VIDEOGAMES mode.

>mfw I just played DoDonPachi for the first time

>>3478394
>ShooTing Game (STG)
You're trying to make this the new 'belt scroller'' meme. Please stop.

>>3497248
Boop