/vr/ - Retro Games

[08-21] GZDoom Shaders Galore
- Retro Shader updates http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=53250
- Lazy Palette Shader http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=53252
- PSX Vertex Jiggler: >>3442719 →

[08-19] Anon mod: Unstealth >>3437946 →
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25843724/unstealth.wad

[08-19] Anon Release: Cute looking first map >>3435876 →
https://mega.nz/#!5I9DFbxY!jJLRdnfnYv4hVKUkmztjwsrt6caF97FHnhCPMO8SbJQ

[08-18] Anon Release: Drum Akimbo Shotguns >>3433687 →
http://www.mediafire.com/download/mlkl18wylos140p/AkimboDrumShotguns.pk3

[08-17] Quake 2] Mission 64 (Q2 N64 -> PC recreation attempt) >>3432010 →
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=53046

[08-15] Anon mod: Brutal Basic >>3427361 →
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g970qa70a0af4na/Brutal_Basic.pk3

[08-13] MetaDoom first very early version released >>3423714
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=53010

[08-10] Anon mod: Revenant Doom >>3418323
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi7j92ms6ns2jei/RevenantDoom.wad?dl=0

[08-10] Anon mod: Tex 2 Spek >>3418041
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0spu00qvoxe8g7/TEX2SPEK.pk3?dl=0

[08-04] Urania, new Plutonia megawad
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/urania

[08-04] Anon maps update: Knee Deep Again >>3404968
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u1dec5iwynr6lm9/Knee_Deep_Again.wad

[08-04] THT Threnody (Ty Halderman Tribute project) released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/thtthren

[08-02] Anon map update: Earth >>3400398
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Doom64EX/index.php?showtopic=143

[07-30] Anon map WIP: Moonlit >>3397363
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0lh8qppkkmq2x7/Moonlit.pk3

[07-29] Anon map: HOUSE.wad >>3393371
https://www.dropbox.com/s/krtymf1c5am9saf/HOUSE.wad

[07-29] Vinesauce Mapping Contest
https://twitter.com/joel_vinesauce/status/759106077120204801

[07-29] Anon mod: Void Elemental >>3391175
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lodgca3scj2ivz/Void.pk3

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Anyone have some Quake single player levels to recommend? I've played Arcane Dimensions and Honey.

Where is Hissy now?

3rd for METAL MIDIS
https://youtu.be/cRxUWaUuqSg

>>3449196
90's metallica wasn't really metal.

>>3449196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6newCYeU8P0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlU9H2nDq4

>>3449209
FUCK YES

now this is literal metal.

Those things are fucking loud too

>>3449195
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Hissy

>>3449153
>>>3448993
>I'm convinced people claim to prefer the one on the right just to fit in.
The one on the right has a deliberately botched aspect ratio to make it look a lot worse than it should

>>3449191
Horde of Zendar is a good one.

Can anyone identify this WAD for me? The map, not DRLA.

>>3449236
might be Bloody Steel, not sure

>>3449191
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/czg03.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/metmon1d.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/fallen1c.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/retrojam3.html

Episodes
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/bbelief.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/terra.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yLHH5Bj5AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=765sOQ02_2M

>>3449249
That really reminds me of the way soundeffects where done in Commander Keen 4 through 6. Neat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_hRWybd1nI
Doom 2 Betas?

>>3449230
>>3449246
Thanks. I'll give these a look.

>>3449251

>>3449265
cool meme.

>>3449260
Someone wanna ask Romero for some Doom2 Beta sprites or something?
(pic related)

>>3449268
Pic also related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7FbwpUW9s

>>3449279

Good midi cover of a great show for a bad mod. I get annoyed every time I see this mod and how it's just a fucking reskin of Doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4PjYfLRx4s

>>3449283
Someone should make a real mod out of this, it shouldn't be too hard.. Hell, half of the work is even done for you

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

dpjudas' Palette shader is in (Set tonemapping to Palette), fps hit takes it from ~96fps to ~81fps.

If you want more color but still with banding then use RetroShader's posterization instead.

You can combine with RetroShader, but disable posterization first.

>>3449249
I was screwing around in Dos doom yesterday and was amused hearing these sound effects. The game lags a bit at high texture detail which I'm guessing is a measure of the authenticity of the emulator

>>3449312
Raising the cycles should help you out there, maybe also raising the RAM.

https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Performance Quick skim should get you enough.

>>3443174
That honestly is kind of neat to look at in a sense.

Would be cool to see it in action on some mapset.

>>3449308
this is fucking gorgeous

lads, been out since time when Ty died, what has changed? and what is this shader fuckery?

>>3449354
Ancient Aliens and D4D are the hot new mods in town.

>>3449354

GMOTA's getting a reboot, Term's making a Space Pirate game, D4D is the new hotness in gameplay.

>>3449269
>>3449268
A whole bunch of old sprites and textures were released by Romero last year.

>>3449354
GZDoom's change to OpenGL 3.x has finally paid off and we can put shaders on the screen, but right now we can't define new ones and have to replace ones hardcoded into GZDoom's menus. They're stupid shit like lens distortion anyway so they're basically placeholders anyway.

>>3449371
But not this Revenant or Arachnotron.
Its like the only things we still need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-KIS4Sk76c

>>3449427

>new weapons
>just one

You cheeky fuckers

>>3449427
90's as fuck

>>3449432
>new weapons...
>... although at this point we haven't settled yet on what those weapons will be

there you go you autistic fuck

they had no fucking clue at that time, retard piece of shit

>>3449450
holy shit dude.

>>3449450

Just think, guys. You too could be this angry over a half assed stupid post on 4chan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgklh0kDHiI

>>3449450
lmao damn dude

>>3449441
Its that music, sounds like something out of an old porno

>>3449308
>My custom PLAYPAL fucks up the floor in the first room with green streaks
figures..

>>3449463
Well I guess I forgot to set it to software lighting, oops.

>>3449427
>better graphics

>>3449470
Better watch it, you might have some assmad doombabby insult you

>>3449427
I want to bang that Accountant.

RetroShader devbuild for GZDoom g2.2pre-2067-g2f893af
http://www89.zippyshare.com/v/7CKfWNw8/file.html

Same readme >>3447631

Palette Tonemap + RetroShader devbuild + Bubblegum Crisis + Thunderpeak

It's like a brand new game. It's like a brand new old game.

>>3449345
Can only really see it when you go slow, unless you crank it up but I don't want it too shaky.

>>3449470
Despite it being the same engine with no technical improvements, the maps seem more detailed and full of more decorations. Maybe that counted in the early 90s, it's been a while.

>>3449467
Yeah that's much better. Looks like you have lens distortion on though.

>>3449479
isn't she a little old to be playing doom

>>3449481

Well those are cool fuckin weapons

>>3449229
>grasping at straws
>baiting using epileptic trees.
No; Original resolution for both of them. One on the right is the original and whilst it is nice; no longer necessary.

>>3449248
Absolutely fucking rad. Now all we need is the Dr. Who sods to take interest.

>>3449482
no.

Was surprised how well combination of RS and palette works for wads with custom palettes. AA looks so much better.
>>3449481
Thanks again, man, RS is awesome.

>>3449481
Can you post settings for gzdoom that work best with Retroshader and Palette? I want to make it as authentic as possible.

>>3449496
Set the sector lighting mode to Software and keep posterization off inside RetroShader if you're going to use the Palette tonemap. The RetroShader defaults should be fine unless you're not on 16:9 or the pixelation is a little strong.

>>3449492
Did you set it to be more pixelated? Trying to figure out if the pixelation gets worse when the resolution goes up.

>>3449501
posterization = 20
aspectx = 16
aspecty = 10

>>3449481
>Looks like you have lens distortion on though.
Yeah, I realised afterwards, had it on for that wobbly shader someone else made.

>>3449505
pixelcount = 1;
Copied pasterisation instead of it, I'm a dingus.

>>3449475
the point is doom II had the exact same graphics as 1

>>3449523
Yeah and that guy might fly off the handle and might jump down your throat because they use different textures and have new monster sprites

>>3449526
what are you going on about now?

>>3449505
>>3449507
Oh okay, I had my aspect ratio set to 19:9, that's why it looked too pixelated. I make a lot of changes on no sleep, that gets it extra retro.

>>3449534
this guy >>3449450

>>3449539
who cares, you messed up, they called you out, it's time to move on

>>3449541
It's not even a mess up, I was being a wiseass and that asshole completely lost his cool.

Not perfect, but pretty close.
Left: Chocolate
Right: GZ

shutup you faggots and tell me what you're working on

making gun sounds is hard

>>3449554
we know dude you don't have to keep bringing it up, no one thinks that piece of shit acted appropriately

>>3449562
Sorry. I just really hate when people get all uppity over shit like that. I'm going to bed.

>>3449556
Do you have mipmapping disabled so Texture Filter Mode reads None and not None (Nearest Mipmap) or None (Linear Mipmap)?

If not, maybe I'm just seeing the stupid pixel bleeding I can't fix off in the hallway.

>>3449570
sleep tight bro

>>3449570
and go fuck yourself, butthurt bitch

>>3449571

>>3449581
For more crunch set Anisotropic Filter to 0x, though that wasn't causing most of what I was seeing unfortunately.

>>3449481
RIP small 3D weapons

>>3449413
Meaty revenant was unfinished IIRC (also the graphic looked like shit)

Old arachnotron looks pretty much the same except it has a tiny chaingun drawn onto it instead of the plasmagun.

>>3449593

>>3449593
I might be able to fix that with minimal effect on the world by excluding a short gl_Position.w range from the vertex jiggler instead of only gl_Position.w == 1.

What mod is that?

>>3449605
That's just how retro games were.

At the very least you can disable it for now by renaming RetroShader's main.vp to disabledmain.vp or similar so it doesn't override GZDoom's non-distorted main.vp

So since we're all about tweaking GZ options right now, what would you recommend for smooth running in potato comps?

>>3449605

weird idea but i wonder how weird it would look with those bad risen3d/doomsday 3d models under this shader..
LOL BRB

Right: GZDoom at 640x480 (lowest one), no RetroShader, only palette, Software lighting (other look even more different)
Left: Crispy Doom (Choco can't run 640x480)

It's even more different now.

>>3449606
It's Quake 1 Stuff ULTRA and Zaero1.wad.

>>3449560
>making gun sounds is hard
dont make them, rip them from youtube clips of people firing guns

>>3449593
>>3449626
>Quake 1 Stuff
I hate how it replaces most corpses with the zombie enemies. Makes some maps nearly unplayable.

>>3449618
Lowering resolution, closing everything but GZDoom, disabling filters + resizers + anisotropic.

>>3449630
I bet that's how half of the Zandronum mods I've played got their sounds.

>>3449625
This Kills ZDoom

>>3449619

LOL
feels like im playing chasm: the rift

>>3449638
>I bet that's how half of the Zandronum mods I've played got their sounds.
Hey if it works, it works.

>>3449645
What is that meant to be? a chaingun?

>>3449646
To be clear we're both joking about it sounding like complete shit, right? I can't tell because I know a lot of people unironically do it.

We've got thousands of video games to get sounds from, sounds that aren't low quality MP3s or M4As streamed from YouTube that still end up in mods that clearly took a lot of time and effort.

Here, take these. https://mega.nz/#F!1xdEFQ4A!wTuvZxFatpVjMPBAZVUtTQ

You know, posterization is slightly closer to vanilla in my opinion. It doesn't make floor brighter in front of player.

>>3449657
Looks like the Quake shotgun, kinda.

>>3449657
Yeah, its the only model that works in this broken pack. No other gun models work. The Revenant also renders the model like its in "Infinitely Tall Actors" mode and its hilarious. clipping up a webm of this madness

>don't use both effects they said
FUCK THE POLICE

>>3449682
what, looking for a cookie?

>>3449487
all right so not deliberately botched. but are you aware the original ran in a mode whose pixels are 20% taller than they are wide?

>>3449695
Was it necessary to be such an asshole, asshole?

>>3449490
he has a track record of falling into romances with ladies who beat him in deathmatch

>>3449703
oooh
>LOOK AT ME
>LOCK ME UP
>FUCK THA POLICE (lol)
>asshole, asshole

Just another kid looking for attention, keep the insults flying and give it your best shot.

what hell have i created

is there just one person posting screenshots and another shitposting in this thread

>>3449714

>giant revenants

>>3449715
Yeah, I'm doing both.

>>3449714
TRUE DOOM EXPRIENCE
AS INTENDED BY ROMERO HIMSELF

>>3449709
What is your problem, seriously? I've just posted a screenshot. Had a bad day or what?

Why do Imps spawn boxes on death?

>>3449714
Game Looks Great

>>3449714
no
NO
NO

>>3449721

Keep posting stuff, I enjoy it.

>>3449725
What pack did you find where the Gun models work? I just found gz-Models-r16.pk3 and i'm using that.

>>3449714
>giant revenants
>pinky refuses to die
>minigun is constantly fluctuating

>>3449735
http://www.wad-archive.com/wad/094e5fe4787575c5a797b51007ac7806 with the fixed modeldefs from Enjay http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?t=6109

Maybe those the ones already in it but I replaced it anyway.

>>3449714
Finally there's a reason for these shitty 3d models to be used!

>>3449735
can't shake the thought that it's humping flaming testicles toward me

can't shake the thought that maybe i like it

>>3449742
Interesting, without fix from Enjay imps don't spawn boxes, but with it I get same shit as shown here >>3449725

>>3449735
>>3449717
Why are they so huge??

>>3449813
HUGE
GUTS

>>3449819
Yeah but why? Does the model data have a scale parameter that is being parsed incorrectly or what?

>>3449824

I think its just an old PK3? Was more of a curosity, the one that the other anon with the fixed modeldefs works better, but I want to say its the wobble from RetroShader messing with it?

>>3449824
MODELDEF's scale value wasn't being read properly because of whitespace character 0xA0 existing in some lines.

>>3449725
They spawned AllMap model for some reason.
Here's a file that doesn't spawn it and Allmap still works. http://www.mediafire.com/download/u1apafq35siuq95/Modeldef.Doom.Items.def

>>3449850
Thanks

Traced the shading of a Pokeball, put it on Spencer.

Going to play Doom co-op for the first time with my friend today.
Anything I need or that I should know?
I have GZDoom and Zandronum, although I'm not sure if I know how to use the latter properly.

Any new Chexen updates?

Chex Quest + HeXen is the most hilarious thing I have seen in recent times.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/mlkl18wylos140p/AkimboDrumShotguns.pk3

For anybody who didn't catch it in the last thread, this is something I've been messing around with to learn overlays. Dual-wielded, double-barreled, drum-loading shotguns.

Load it up in Doom 2, then go to the console and type "summon supershotgun" to drop it ingame.

It still has the glitch that pushes the guns up when you die. The game doesn't crash, though, and it fixes itself when you respawn.

And before you ask, no, the glitch is not fixed by making a call to A_OverlayFlags and setting the PSPF_ADDWEAPON flag. That was the first thing I tried.

>>3449240
Indeed it is. Thanks, anon.

>>3449943
>Execution could not continue.

>Script error, "AkimboDrumShotguns.pk3:decorate" line 58:
Invalid state parameter {

>>3449958
update your zdoom

>>3449943
did you also try pspf_addbob?

>>3449958

Forgot to mention: This uses overlays and anonymous functions, so you need a pretty recent devbuild to run it.

>>3449964
Thanks, anon.

Looking a little Minecraftian.

Squish

>>3450024
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

First beta of Endless Survival v0.51 before I post a proper first release on the ZDoom forums:

http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=endless_v051_beta1.pk3

Main focus on this version is revamping the score system so that monsters give score based on their type instead of a random value, and most importantly a few options to help with playing in single player - spawn mode and spawn rate. You can choose between progressive spawn mode (monsters don't spawn until you've reached a certain level) or random, and you can change the delay between monsters spawning to half, normal speed or double speed. You can also change the threshold for how many monsters you need to kill before a boss spawns. ITYTD and NM now behave like the other skill levels.

also have some new config PK3s, would like some feedback on what monsters should spawn on what skill (and also what level on progressive spawn mode)
http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=endless_omgwpns_v2_beta1.pk3
http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=endless_colorhell_v1_beta1.pk3

>>3449952
happy to hear it. that's the first time i've ever ID'ed a wad i've never played :)

There are so many coords to mess with.

worldcoords, eyecoords, gl_position

Maybe I should mess with vTexCoord next.

>>3450049
Hmmm.

>>3449916
You have infinite lives in Coop so for better or worse you can die all over the place, so go ahead and load up those difficult mapsets on Ultra Violence, though Nightmare is still nightmarish. There's also a gameplay flag that respawns you at the place you died, which can be convenient compared to running back thru half a level again, though you sometimes can wind up respawning outside a window or stuck in a tree and unable to get back to the level, so it's not totally recommended. You can also set flags to have weapons remain, and health/ammo respawning, and one that makes it so you can move through other players to make it so narrow halls and platforms are easier to move through. I think there's one that shares keys to all players once one is picked up. These are all great flags in the multiplayer settings to look for and enable.

>>3450034
Where do you change these options? I just loaded it up and it's not fun having Archviles spawn within the first minute.

Double threat of gl_Position and vTexCoord jiggling. Now everything up close is extra broken.

>>3450106
Looks even more PS1 now

PSX Doom has about 70 FOV.

>>3449265
saved

where the online at BOIS

>>3449267
>>3450139
I don't get it.

>>3450136
why does this happen on psx?

>>3450148

I'm just getting started with ACS scripting. Is there a conditional that checks a sector's current height or some way to disable this switch until the action is complete? This script works perfectly unless the user mashes the Use key in which case you can get the elevator stuck.

script 1 (void)
{
if (curFloor==1)
{
FloorAndCeiling_LowerByValue(8,16,128);
curFloor=0;
}
else
{
FloorAndCeiling_RaiseByValue(8,16,128);
curFloor=1;
}
}

>>3450149
The positions of vertices (the corners of models) are calculated as integers (whole numbers) instead of floating points (numbers with decimal places) so there's no fine precision.

There's some more stuff with the textures not being perspective corrected but I don't know much about that. It has something to do with including the distance between the point and the camera in the scaling of textures.

no, the pistol is wimpy and and inaccurate
the knife is good tho

>>3450182
WAD?

>>3450189
wait never mind it's aaliens. i had to zoom it in but then you can see the numbers font

>>3450189
ayyyliens with dump 3's weaponpack
the pistol's gr8

>>3450158
Oh, I found TagWait, that should work if I put it before the if statement.

>>3450221
This worked perfectly.

Thanks, zdoom

This reminds me of that picture of a caco that says "SCARED"

>>3450285
just for you anon

>>3449560
GRAND

>It's a Skillsaw map

GUYS

big question

How do I run the doom64 wad?

>>3450547

very carefully

>>3450547
loosen her up with the grease pail

>>3450547
>>3450554
>>3450568
Probably should have posted this in the first place

I get a "Script error, "DOOM64.WAD:ANIMDEFS" line 6:
Bad syntax." error message, so I hope you can now actually help me.

>>3450547
by running the Doom64.exe file

>>3450547
You must go on a magical journey through space & time, fighting evil and making new friends and foes along the way. or you could just look up a Doom 64 sourceport but that's boring

>>3450574

you should probably use the sourceport which it was intended to be played

which is doom 64 ex

>>3450574
are you trying to run it with a normal doom source port or something lol

>>3450575
>>3450576
>>3450578
I'm fucking stupid

and thanks

>>3450331
Going to my reaction folder, thanks.

1-3 play quake
4-6 work on my map
7-9 watch young frankenstein
0 an hero

>>3450669

good lord lmao

>>3450681
young frankenstein is fucking awesome you shut the fuck up

>>3450684

I'm laughing at the fact (and his luck) that he was a post away from killing himself

>>3450692
???

1-3 clean up my room and sort the 1m high pile of cords in the middle of it
4-6 work on my thesis
7-9 watch young frankenstein
0 an hero

>>3450705
fuuug
reroll

>>3450713

get to work fucker

>>3450705
>being a collegslave

>>3450716
>not being born into a rich family
loser.

>>3450716
>not being born in a country where you don't pay for college

>>3450730
is yuour thesis on sucking dick because i heard u know a lot on that


also it pays well

>>3450547

>>3450737
it pays more than you'd think

but less than you'd hope

Would you rock these licensed socks?

>>3449183
[8-24] Func Map Jam 7 - Back to Base
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/mapjam7.html

>>3450827
Yes. Are they available outside of Ausfailia?

>>3450827
why would you support modern ID and bethesda

>>3450834
Doom 4 is pretty good.

>>3450827

even i think that's too much

>>3450830
Goddamn.

If I still played F:NV I'd make me some Doomguy pants.

>>3450830
reminds me of that part in HL1 where you fall down the pit in an elevator when going to turn on the power ti kill the tentacle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFYWJ7dbz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TsL0HyVq4g

>download the quake 2 v3.14 demo just for kicks
>the air control is sluggish and awful
>apply the v3.20 patch to it
>the physics are almost completely different all of a sudden

>>3450094
Options -> Endless Survival Options

or if you don't see it because of WAD load order, es_spawnmode 1 in the console

hi /doom/

I'm new-ish to modding and wanted to try out zdrl, but I don't want to play through doom 2 again.

can you guys rec me some good campaigns that have a different theme other than "hell"? I've grown kind of bored of it. preferably long like the vanilla campaign.

sorry if there's an obvious faq that I passed up and this is a stupid question.

>>3450904
ancient aliens has egyptian space hell
it gets pretty tough though

>>3450898
Moral: Quake 2 is rubbish.

Doom babbies.

>>3450929
Reminder that you posted this kind of shit on fucking Christmas day last year.

>>3450929
pretty accurate.

>>3450934
sorry I ruined your xmas :^)

>>3450910
thanks, I like it so far and got it to work, but when I started it I couldn't choose my class?

it defaulted me to demolitionist which is cool and all but slow as hell.

>>3450937
I was talking about you, my friend. It was Christmas day and shit like >>3450929 was how you were spending it.

>>3450941
Don't enable him.

>>3450942
I just think it's mildly amusing how shitposting in this thread has basically become a hobby of his. He's on the same tier as Barneyfag.

Realtalk: I like Quake way, way more than Doom.

>>3450954
Who doesn't? It's better in every single way.

>>3450956
It doesn't have popular metal tracks remade in tracker format, or really much music at all, if that's important to you I guess?

Also less enemy variety, although the few enemies are better designed and more fun with the exception of tarniggers because fuck those bouncing exploding assholes.

>>3450954
>>3450956
then why do we have Doom threads all the time and not Quake threads?
checkmate

>>3450958
Why do we have QuakeCon and not DoomCon?

Old gods: 1
Atheists: 0

>>3450954
quake is ugly af

>>3450954
>>3450956
The shooting in quake feels really floaty. Like the projectile speed is really slow compared to most other FPSes,

>>3450964
That's because, other than weaksauce shotguns, you've got no real long range hitscan weapons.

>>3450961
right, we'll call it a draw
both are good games

>>3450956
no its not

the pacing is fucking terrible. quake enemies have way too high ttk

>>3450964
>Like the projectile speed is really slow compared to most other FPSes,
What other FPSs? The grenades are kind of slow but that's intentional, they're grenades- Q1 rockets travel at eighty-something mph which is way faster than rockets in most games, and the nailguns are slower than bullets in, say, Battlefield or Planetside or ARMA or what have you, but faster than UT link gun projectiles or shock orbs.

>>3450965
You've got the Lightning gun (as rare as it is until E4), but even that's only medium range and how good it is heavily depends on if your sourceport has classic style or exact LG aiming.

Also only the single barrel shotgun is weaksauce, the double is perfectly serviceable for close range combat if you're saving nails (which you should be unless you've got a bunch, shamblers will laugh at your shotgun and explosives in your face).

>>3450969
>quake enemies have way too high ttk
aim better

super nailgun literally melts everything up to and including vores and shamblers

>>3450969
>quake enemies have way too high ttk
>toughest monster, the shambler, goes down in seconds from super nailgun fire

>>3450969
Have fun with your lost souls, cacodemons, mancubi, barons and shit then.

>>3450974
Fampai you picked like the two slowest projectiles in UT that are used more for area denial rather than dueling an opponent head on.

>>3450978
a few seconds is way too fucking long. quake is bad for this reason. borderlands and games like it are pretty much unplayable to me.

doom's way of overwhelming you with low-ttk enemies is much more enjoyable than quake's philosphy of enemy design

>>3450981
wow its not like there's a gun in the game that literally kills everything in one shot or anything

>>3450982
The other weapons aren't very good examples due to how much they change between games- i.e. UT2004 rockets are pretty quick, but UT99 rockets are slow as fucking balls (but you can launch a half dozen of them at once to make up for it and they OHK an unarmored player on direct hit).

>>3450974
>>3450975
>>3450978
>>3450981
lol what is this samefag? These arguments don't hold water at all.
>picks slowest ass projectiles to compare against
>picks best weapon to compare against
>picks half monsters that go down quick and the other half you shouldn't be fighting en masse outside of slaughter wads

quake is better than doom because it's 3d

>>3450983
>a few seconds is way too fucking long. quake is bad for this reason. borderlands and games like it are pretty much unplayable to me.
Congratulations! You have ADHD!

I'm sorry you can't appreciate Quake's excellent level design and good enemy designs that work with the levels themselves due to your incessant need to shooty shooty bang bang wow look at all this pixelated gore! What do you mean these enemies weren't designed for the Super Shotgun's ridiculous utility? Fuckin' quakebabbies and their slow-ass game!

>>3450982
The only actual "area denial" weapon is the Bio Rifle. Otherwise I guess the Rocket Launcher and Ripper are area denial weapons too, because ohno leading shots is hard.

>>3450990
>best weapon
>not the RL

there's a reason the nailguns are never even touched in quakeworld

If Quake was so great, they would've gotten a new singleplayer game, and not a multiplayer game that will attempt to compete against the new breed of multiplayer FPS games.

Oh yeah, I went there. Fuck you gonna do about it?

>>3450986
>You always have a BFG

>>3451005
well that's the thing

quake WAS great

>>3451005
It just isn't as popular.

Even normies now know DOOMGUY, RIP AND TEAR, RIP AND TEAR, HUGE GUTS ETC ETC and Doom is the go-to 'retro FPS cliche.' Not saying Quake is better designed or anything, it's obviously a rush job and a half as fantastic as it turned out, but every Quake game is different and the most popular one by far is Q3A. So it only made sense for them to go for the 'remake Q3A with modern ASSFAGGOTS elements' route.

Singleplayer Quakers are definitely the minority compared to multiplayer, and for multiplayer Q3A/QL is the largest crowd bar none- especially once you count all the people who hopped onto that bandwagon to act like they played HARDCORE ARENA FPS GAMES and had never even heard of the era before railguns.

>>3451005
Poor argument when Unreal 3 doesn't exist but Quake 4 does.

>>3451008
he obviously means the ssg

Okay guys hear me out here:

What if the quake ranger could throw his axe

>>3451021
or

quake ranger
with
the hexen electro axe

>>3451005
what does the quality of the original game have to do with the devs trying to pander to what's popular right now for the new spinoff?

that's like saying ''if Doom's speed, huge levels and frantic gameplay was so good how come they didn't make Doom 3 like that?''.

>>3450993
i actually do have adhd and i wouldnt wish this hell on anybody, but it has nothing to do with my tastes in video games. i have no problem playing slow games, i just dont like slow fpses. they are extremely unfun to me.

>>3451017
Also: would you WANT a new singleplayer Quake game?

I mean, half of what carries the original so far is the fantastic level design, primarily Romero and his hard rules for designing maps. Q2 was after he left and Petersen and McGee were left to cobble shit together, and it definitely shows in the endless grey military complexes that have little of the verticality and "connected-ness" of Q1's brown castles. The art style is murky but defined, with its low-res environments and enemy textures letting your mind fill in the specifics- which works fantastic for a 1990s game with direct Lovecraftian influences, but would never fly in 2016. Modern audiences would never accept a game with small yet intricate levels with no map or pointers or really any environmental interaction at all other than hitting walls with your axe to open secret doors, only seven weapons (two of which are better versions of another two, and one of which you don't even get until halfway through the game, later if you suck at finding secrets), less than a dozen enemy types and multiplayer so quick you blink and you're dead.

>>3451025

Damn anon calm down there, Timon's Axe is crazy powerful

>>3451025
Not exactly the same, but Arcane Dimensions includes an axe upgrade (aside from the standard reskinned axe) that makes it do triple damage or more, which is enough to get rid of low tier enemies like knights in one swipe, gib zombies without explosives, and actually work as an alright melee weapon.

HUUH...?

>>3449714
This looks like something that would be made for a movie to make it look like the characters are playing a video game in the early 2000s

>>3451086
Not angry enough.

>>3451086
UT4 flak cannon MG
i liked the gatling design of Q3

is the ranger a doom marine who got sucked into an alternate dimension?

>>3451086
who's this cherubic ken doll

>>3451089
I still don't like the yellow two-tone helmet, either. Too futuristic.

Then again, all his gear looks more modern or modern+, now, instead of the "plate armor and an axe" Ranger we all know and love.

And why does he have random-ass pieces of cloth wrapped around his wrists?

>>3451086
>Ranger
>Not scowling and isn't FUCKING PISSED
0/10 poor show

>>3451086

Hey, armor that isn't an overdesigned piece of shit. I'll take it.

>>3451086
looks like a football player.

>>3451118
At least it shows they're still working on his design, it's come a long way from the cinematic trailer with ape-man Ranger wearing Wrack's armor. Still a bit fancy for my liking- and the lack of the two strips holding his chestplate together that were in both Q1 and Q3 is kind of lame, as that was the only real detail on his original armor- but they're making progress.

>>3451117
Definitely not FUCKING PISSED enough, even if the face is a bit better.

Chin's too big, though.

you guys don't get it

that's ranger's seductive face

>>3451095
ranger is like doomguy but in a world where everything is super shitty

doomguy gets sent to the UAC base on mars where science-types sent shit through hell for shits and giggs and then had everyone turned into zombies
ranger gets sent to the local military base where the unnamed government sent shit through forgotten worlds and dimensions of the Elder Gods for shits and giggs and then had everyone turned into mindwiped drones with the pleasure centers of their brains wired up to kill humies

doomguy gets a full face helmet, lots of guns and experimental energy weapons that kill everything real good
ranger gets some shitty medieval cosplay gear, some Home Depot deck-building equipment and a 'lightning gun' apparently jury-rigged out of rusted tin cans that someone forgot in Unspeakable Dimensional Horror's Basement #783

doomguy gets to experiment with demon drugs and balls of pure energy as powerups
ranger hits walls with an axe and finds floating pentagrams and rings of invisibility that don't even make him invisible

doomguy eventually becomes a hero who saves the world from demons and then goes back into hell to kick more ass and (assuming D44M's new canon is in line with that and N64 DOOM) stayed there forever to make sure no more demons got out
ranger was never heard from again, the world was presumably killed and he kept slipgate jumping between dimensions until he went mad and started just killing everything he met

doomguy explores all sorts of exotic locales including martian landscapes, destroyed human cities and demonic planes of torture, with all colors of the rainbow (and fireblu)
ranger stares at a bunch of brown and grey and moss green until his eyeballs bleed

doomguy is stoic, inquisitive even, constantly checking his surroundings for secrets and enemies and even the hardest hits won't keep him down for long
ranger is just constantly pissed at how unbelievably shitty everything in his world is


ranger had a hard life

>>3451134
hey baby

wanna HUUH my HUUH all HUUH while HUUH HUUH HUUH Shambler HUUH Quad Damage HUUH HUUH urethral insertion HUUH HUUH HEAURURGHGHH

>>3451138
doomguy starts out with just a gun and his fists.

at least ranger had a shotgun and a fucking axe.

somehow hell gave doomguy a convenient difficulty curve.

broken-ass website says he's a cherubic lando calrissian

https://www.betafaceapi.com/demo.html

>>3451124
I mean, it's fitting; Q3A puts him at 6'5", 230lbs, which is half a foot and 50lbs bulkier than Doomguy.

>>3451089
He probably got a bit happier

>>3451150
it detected his chin size as "extra small"

don't trust this website with helmetted men with tiny eyes

>>3451146
doomguy's fists do the same max damage (20) as ranger's axe

that's how shitty it is

i'll give you that the shotgun is better than the pistol, but doomguy also gets the super shotgun which makes ranger's double barrel look like an airsoft

>>3451160

hey, maybe the doomguy is just so strong that his fists do as much damage as an axe

>>3451163
probably a little column A, a little column B

if doomguy is so stronk why can't he jump

>>3451160
>doomguy's fists do the same max damage (20) as ranger's axe
we're not talking game balance mechanics, a shitty punch isn't gonna do as much damage to a monster's face compared to an axe.

>super shotgun
not in doom 1, plus Ranger gets something much better than Doomguy's chaingun, as well as more useful powerups like Quad Damage.

also seems that Ranger has returned way happier for Champions so everything turned out all right for him because now he's playing pretend-Overwatch with his buds.

>>3451154
Or lost a bit more of his grip on reality, like what happens to most people that meet shrub-niggerath.

>>3451168
skipped leg day

>>3451168
he skipped leg d-
> then how come can he run at 60mph
...
-fuck

>>3451168
if doomguy is so stronk why can't he look up and down.

>>3451179
he's got neck problems
that's why he mostly doesn't turn his head, just with his eyes and turns with his entire body

>>3451173
>we're not talking game balance
Well if we're talking lore then Doomguy is the fastest person alive but can't jump while Ranger apparently has frictionless boots he stole from a sandraker and goes faster the more he jumps.

>plus Ranger gets something much better than Doomguy's chaingun, as well as more useful powerups like Quad Damage.
yeah fair, Quad Damage pretty much puts everything else to shame

SNG beats the chaingun, but ranger also gets no BFG equivalent

>also seems that Ranger has returned way happier for Champions so everything turned out all right for him because now he's playing pretend-Overwatch with his buds.
He can't be truly happy until Mynx is back, judging by the Q3 intro pose.

They're totally fuckin' between matches.

How long until I can use Flatsprite and Wallsprite in Zandronum?

>>3451179
he's so stronk his neck muscles prevent him from craning his head up or down

>>3451187
5 eternities

>>3451183
It looks like Mynx has a big ol' dick bulge here.

Tell me I'm not the only one who sees it.

>>3451179
he doesn't need to because in the future all guns have homing bullets.

>>3451187
they'll sooner invent a time machine and travel back in time
at that point future Zandro should be up to speed with current GZDoom

>>3451187
why not add the functionality yourself

it's opensource you know. And it looks bangin on your resume.

>>3451183
> [VGTG] I am the HUUNH

>>3451037
>would you WANT a new singleplayer Quake game?
yes, but i realize fully that zewimax will never allow it to be good

see, quake is about two things: raw FPS gameplay and lovecraftian/eldritch horrors

i'm not too worried about the FPS part, but for horror to be good, it has to be unsettling, and might not be for everyone (especially if we get into Geiger-like stuff and unsettling geometry)

so, as not everyone could enjoy it, it'd either get toned down to the point of no effect or get replaced by jumpscares because hey, kids like jumpscares, right?

>>3451238
quake has jumpscares with its teleporting-in enemies, though

see also: everyone who played on hard and met the two teleporting shamblers in fucking E1M3 before you even get a super nailgun

>quake: HUUNH
>doom: UNF
>wolf3d: KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>3451238
>i'm not too worried about the FPS part

You're kidding, right? No one has made Quake's style of level design since Quake, and if Zenimax/Id has a go at it they'll probably just do the same locked arena shtick they did with Doom 4.

>>3451250

i never knew bj was so racist

>>3451250
I think you mean
>wolf3d: NO WAY

>>3451197
90's underwears, V thongs and latex suits. Don't question it

>>3449637
>>3449626
What would be a better spawn spot for the zombies?

>>3451260
But what if she had a dick? I mean, just sayin'. Ha ha.

>>3451252
moon man mod when?

>>3451268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWL7czAd4JU

Already been done.

Are there any texture sets that have terrain with colors like pic related?

I'm looking for sandy, mars-ish type terrains rather than the usual "earth/rock" terrain we're used to.

>>3451268
you're late

it's kind of shit

>>3449704
underrated

>>3449481
>BGC + Thunpeak
You are officially my nigga.

>>3451329
BGC is fun, for some reason.
The sprites are cool, even if the gameplay is just shitty Dehacked.

Hey /doom/ my older bro wants a Doom-themed birthday party, what's some good Doom decorations? Mom's crafty and can make just about anything, and if it's cheap enough we can buy it

>>3451354
Get some Doom textures and turn them into big sheets to put on walls? Caco balloons?

>>3451354
pain elemental balloons

color a halloween skeleton with red shorts and give it a silver shirt with arm cannons for agitated skellies

Is replacing the super shotgun and BFG with a time stopping ability at all a good idea for a mod?

>>3451354
>my older bro wants a Doom-themed birthday party
amazon has a wide selection of books on how to deal with autistic relatives, anon.

>>3451396

are you implying that a doom party is not the coolest shit

>>3451404
In the retro shooter general, no less.

>>3451389
>Replacing the two most satisfying and reliable guns in Doom
Not really worth it. Especially considering the damage output you're losing with a loss of BFG

Unless you're replacing all the weapons? Different weapons and the balance that comes with it is fine.

But if it's vanilla then lots of challenging levels are really designed around having hte SSG or BFG on hand.

>>3451408

I wouldn't say that it would be vanilla, but the weapon loadout would probably be mostly similar.

I would hope that the time stopping would at least offset the damage output loss, but you have a point about how satisfying the weapons are.

Hmm. Too bad energy weapons and double-barreled shotguns don't really fit the character I have in mind, then I wouldn't have to think about this.

so wait i don't understand

is ranger a human? like is he from the same humanity that is fighting the strogg in quake wars and quake 4? what do the strogg have to do with anything in the first game?

>>3451421

I don't see any other species the Ranger could be. And as far as I'm aware, Quake II, 4 and Quake Wars have nothing to do with I continuity-wise.

>>3451426
what about the crates that bore the symbol of the strogg in quake?

what if quake 1 was strictly off the record black ops type shit?

>>3451428
I think it's implied that Quake takes place in the very far future from the other games.

>>3451428

I think that in all likelihood, the Strogg symbol being the same symbol on the crates was either id being lazy or was not meant to be anything more significant than a sly nod to Quake I fans.

But I guess there is room for theories.

>>3451021
He can in Quake Stuff Ultra, if you have one of the magical runes.

>>3451436
Q1 is the only game that doesn't really have any link to ANY other id games- no hanging Commander Keens, no extra storybooks linking families together, and the Q1 logo was re-used in Q2 so that's a later connection (and more likely id just reusing a design they thought was neat).

Oh and Ranger showing up in Q3A/QC of course but that isn't really canon.

>>3451472
what about the dopefish?

>>3451160
I suppose every UAC marine as a standard gets injected with at least a little bit of whatever is in those Berserk packs, making their punches somewhat equally as damaging as larger melee weapons, and also boosting their running speed.

>>3451480
Dopefish exists outside of the id continuity.

>>3450545
I don't get it.

Somebody just leaked 30 minutes of the cancelled XBLA version of GoldenEye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRRuhviJGMQ

>>3451510
Would be better if he leaked a source code or beta version.

>>3451134
Its a Dreamworks face if I ever saw one. Not as bad as the one in the trailer, but still terrible

Any sound pack with pc speaker sounds for GZDoom?

oh yessssssss

We getting some good goddamn progress now.
If I can keep this going, I might actually get this released before I die of old age or something.

>>3451526
oh fugg

so, what'll be added already? melee weaps?

>>3450545
Do people seriously consider Skillsaw's maps to be that slaughtery? I always felt his mapping style more showed influence from the Scythes.

>>3451527

metric ton of bugfixes, new gameplay options, new monsters.

The next big update will be melee weapons, not this one.

>>3451526
>floating 666 around monsters head
bit goofy. difficult to take seriously..

>>3450705
none of those are playan doom
step it up

>>3451546
it depends of course what your idea of "slaughtery" is. everyone seems to have a different one.

I tried the latest RetroShader devbuild from >>3449481 but I get pic related when I enter a level.

The version posted in the ZDoom forums works for me, though.

>>3451574
>RetroShader devbuild for GZDoom g2.2pre-2067-g2f893af
Is your GZdoom up to date

>>3451582

Latest one, I actually downloaded it like an hour ago.

>>3451583
Oh I couldn't see the version in the title bar at first due to the horrible font colour.
No idea then, though I'm not using the x64 version of GZDoom.

>>3451584

I just tried the 32-bit version to see if it would work there, and nope.

Thanks Term for the ACS help

>>3451574
In lensdistortioin.fp look for "lowp void main()" and delete lowp.

>>3451593

That did it. Thanks anon.

>>3451598
hiss

>>3451601
Sorry I don't like pussy I only fuck off asses.

This is some metroidvania shit

>doom babbies

So Doom 2 is widely regarded as being the shit one, right?

I'm playing through it for the first time and I'm finding myself thanking god when each stage is over because it's just not fun. I've played my fair share of wads that use Doom 2 assets and monsters, but going back to the original is just painful.

Doom 1 was fantastic through and through save a few stinkers during the later episodes but Doom 2 just feels like a slog.

>>3451614
well memed doom babby

>>3451614
Doom 2's level design starting from around The Factory onwards is basically trash.

>>3451614

Generally, yeah. As far as the level design goes, anyway.

>>3451614
I like Doom 2's maps more than Doom 1's episode 2 and 3.

>>3451617
I just got to The Suburbs and yeah the quality declined sharply once the levels started going for "woah dude outdoor cities"

a lot of the secrets are really weak too, most of them boil down to finding the secret switch that opens the secret door full of cacodemons on the other side of the map and the reward is like, an invulnerability sphere that's completely useless

>>3451005
I think it's a shame that people don't remember Quake' s singleplayer.

People look at the current washed out brown and grey cancer in FPS games, look at Quake, read about it's hodgepodge development, and assume it was a boring slog that was merely an afterthought to the now legendary multiplayer.

But it was fantastic and atmospheric. The ambient sounds and dark colours worked to make a really oppressive effect. I didn't care much for Quake singleplayer when it came out, but I went back to it recently and I love it. It was a game copied by everyone but it still feels unique because nobody seems to have tried to recreate the actual atmosphere. The levels flow very well and you're never stuck; the gameplay is just great. Shame about the bossfights.

Quake really deserves a reboot like Doom.

>>3451031
>Quake
>slow

>>3451613
Is that supposed to be at insult or...?

Post your favorite doom related song

>>3451628

...What is going on with the Doomguy's hand

>>3451631
mutation

>>3451592
>daggers can't be spammed infinitely anymore
>axes no longer take skill
gay

>>3451629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmaL69poIKk

>>3451623
Quake's SP is real good fun. Episode 2's my favorite.

>>3451643
I can't decide if I like e2 or e3 best. Still haven't gone back to e4 yet (last played it in 1996).

The atmosphere, the music, shooting grenades up at ogres. It's fucking great.

>>3451647
I got into the custom SP level scene a little while ago and there's some real good stuff.

>>3451638

I ain't done, daggers are gonna be tweaked where you throw three in a rapid burst with every click.

Axes are probably gonna hit a little harder now

>>3451614
>So Doom 2 is widely regarded as being the shit one, right?
it is an acquired taste. there are very few completely irredeemable maps.
>>3451618
>>3451617
i don't agree with this at all

>>3451658
Opinions I guess.

>>3451638
what's the point of a sword mod if you can just use range weapons all the time?

>>3451614
>>3451617
I wouldn't call the following maps outright shit, myself: 1-8, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17-20, 22, 26-29

But thats me.

>>3451662

The sword is for show.

and now I have a HUD element telling you your ass is gonna have to wait

>>3451701
[LOADING MORE ANUS PENETRATORS, PLEAAE WAIT]

>>3451701
Love the hourglass.

>>3449265
>HIGH instead of hihg
That's not how it works

i think i get better ideas when i drink water and stay hydrated

>>3451718

Technically, you should be doing that all the time. Put like a big water bottle at your desk or whatever, I don't make mods or anything but that's what I do.

Term, you really should have a check for if the player is PROP_FROZEN/PROP_TOTALLYFROZEN so you can't dash around when you shouldn't in Demonsteel-

>There is no GetPlayerProperty function
Oh, fuck

>>3451736
solution: use MODINPUT_BUTTONS instead of INPUT_BUTTONS

it's there for a reason.

>>3451567
Heeeeeh.

You'll certainly take them more seriously when you find out what they do. Easily the most aggravating Arch-vile variant.

>>3451614
I'm with you anon. I had always thought with it's expanded list of monsters and super shotgun that Doom 2 had more interesting encounters, but replaying through it recently I was surprised to find just how many maps I thought were just really poorly designed in that they could've used a few more passes to look and feel less like someone threw them together quickly in an afternoon.

It also got me to look at who the individual map designers were, which gave me a much better appreciation for Romero. I had thought that he was sort of just a personality, but he really did have the touch as his maps have an overall quality and care that shows he actually was a superstar developer.

>>3451746
Alright then, get on it Term! Unless you think cutscene shenanigans are more important I guess.

>>3451779
Knowing Term, very very yes. He'd never remove cutscene shenanigans.

Are the few purple shades in Doom's palette actually used? I can't find anything with purple.

>>3451803
It is used in the Cacodemon's fireball. There's also left over magenta between the Wolf SS's legs from when they were converting the sprites from Wolf 3D.

>>3451803
commander keen's shirt for one

>>3451807
>>3451808
Thanks. So the only thing that existed that used purple in Doom, not Doom 2, was the edge of the Cacodemon fireball?

What a waste.

>>3451291
Another pic of what I mean, any help here?

>Try Demonsteele + Super Sonic Doom
>flying, screaming Yakuza assault the ship in the intro and softlock the game
Fucking lol

>>3451816
I like BTSX's custom palette, cause theres more purple.

>>3451821
This is probabely the closest to what you're looking for that I could find.
It's from Blood 2, and should most likely be scaled down to 64 by 64, if you want to use it as a flat.

>>3451291
Man, I wish there were textures like that, too. But since most maps are made with indoors in mind I doubt there is any.

>>3451816
i guess doom wasn't a very VIOLET game

>>3451546
Aeternum and Vanguard are pretty slaughtery.
Hell, Vanguard has a level with like, 600 enemies doesn't it?

>>3451825
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Stardate_20X6

>>3451828
Hmmm, I'll have to hunt through a shitload of textures by the looks of things.

1 texture won't be enough to create an "environment". The idea is "Martian surface".

>>3451821
And there's the DrDoctor's Texture pack that has variations like this
http://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/texture-stock-mainmenu-152-97360/55-doom-style4/1353-drdoctor-texture-pack

>>3451839
It's a shame that not many texture makers use the oranges of doom, as there are actually quite a lot of them in the pallete.