/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3444506

Shit opinion. The playstation was a well rounded console with tons of classics in every genre.
>metal gear solid
>Crash Bandicoot series
>Tomb Raider
>einhander
> Resident Evil
>Fucking list goes on and on and on

It had a lot of good racing games, fighting games, shmups, survival horror, strategy games, basically everything except for good FPS which is no significant loss really.

>>3444515
The medal of honor games were goat on PS1.
Underground

>>3444508
>sonygger posting mulitplats

some things never change

>>3444506
PS1 is a good console but I have no idea why it outsold the N64 by such a huge margin. The PS2 sold well because of the DVD drive, but no one was using their PS1 to play music CDs.

>>3444506
Herc's Adventures

>>3444532
Yeah the N64 versions of MGS, Einhander, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil were amazing!

>>3444534
"I have no idea why people would rather pay 20-40$ per game instead of 60-70$ per n64 cartridge"

Tomb Raider was a sega saturn game, fucking noobs

>>3444557
That says "Tomb Raiders"

nice try. also nobody owned a saturn.

>>3444532
Full blown retard.

>>3444554
People buy blu-rays despite being twice as expensive as DVDs.

>>3444578
That analogy would work if N64 games were superior to PS1 games, as bluray is to dvd.

>>3444581
This.
>>3444578
And also nobody buys blu-rays when Netflix and torrents exist.

>>3444550

>if someone dare critisize the PS-X, it OUGHT to be a N64 fan, no other way around it.

>>3444550

The PC versions of MGS, Tomb Raider and Resident Evil sure were better than the Playstation versions.

>>3444583
>>3444578

I buy blurays

>>3444581
>That analogy would work if N64 games were superior to PS1 games

But they were. Better graphics, no loading times, actual innovation in pushing the industry forward, etc

>>3444726
> i cant read into conversations
>when someone says multiplat reffering to PS1, that means he's referring to XBOX360!

>>3444757
>i cant read into conversations

The other person didn't mention the N64, it wasn't part of the conversation. Nice try.

>when someone says multiplat reffering to PS1, that means he's referring to XBOX360!

No, rather the contemporary PC versions, see: >>3444729

>>3444759
>dude paying 1000$ for a gaming PC in the fucking 90's WAS SUPERIOR!

>>3444761

Resident Evil and Tomb Raider were also on Saturn.

What's your next strategy, "Nobody owned a Saturn"?

The PS1 has enough exclusives, no reason to use multiplats like those, come on.

>>3444761
$3,000*

>>3444550
Funny you say that. The N64 port of Resident Evil 2 is the definitive version.

>>3444767

Not really, DC/GC/PC versions exist, but it's better than the PS1 version, yeah.

>>3444506
This is kinda shit if you are into RPGs.

>>3444763
>What's your next strategy, "Nobody owned a Saturn"?

PlayStation--- 102.49 million worldwide
Sega Saturn---- 9.26 million worldwide


Get shit on.

>>3444767
I was referring to the first title.

Why do PS1 kiddies always attack the nintendo fans?

Too scared to fight with the PC and Sega fans?

>>3444774
Yeah, we are afraid of the 1.6 million total saturn owners in the US.

>>3444764
$2,000 including monitor and the like.
Games for $5 or less and you needed a computer for other things anyway.

>>3444779

And in 2016, nobody gives a shit about the often malfunctioning PS1s, while Saturn is cult.

>>3444534
>I have no idea why it outsold the N64 by such a huge margin

>>3444789
Being cult and scarce just means you have to pay 300-500$ per game. it's nothing to be happy about.

>>3444783
>5$ per game
Maybe for shitty ones, and very early 90's games.

I don't remember stepping into a store and seeing boxed shit like tomb raider for 5$

>>3444807

Nah sonyboy, you can easily play backups on Saturn.

Same as on PS1. Did you really think PS1 sold a lot just because of Sony's marketing? it was also thanks to piracy and modchips.

>>3444774
>Sega fans
>implying most of them even bother to defend the Saturn
>PC
>mattering at all

Its because the N64 is an easy target due to how shit and overhyped the console is.

>>3444818

As if the PS1 isn't overhyped shit as well. Barely any games worth playing for it nowadays.

>>3444532
>sonygger

Fuck off back to /v/ with your memery and never return

>>3444823
N64drone detected

>>3444818

Why do you think Sega fans won't defend the Saturn? It's a beloved console, it took some time for westerners to realize its full potential but in 2016, everyone knows it's a great console, I personally like it better than both N64 and PS1.

And why do you think PC doesn't matter? Why is that?

>>3444827

>as well

I was conceding you that N64 is indeed overhyped, genius. But the PS1 is too.

>>3444534
1:Easier piracy, could be actually sold in less rich countries because everyone could buy bootleg games
2:Bigger library, not even going to explain this
3:Better release schedule, modern kids don't understand this but the N64 got a good game very 6 months, at times even worse while the PSX was flooded with shovelware AND good games much faster
4;Easier third party support, which led to point 2 and 3
5:Europe, Nintendo and SEGA both failed to market and publish in Europe because they always used third party distributers and didn't care about it, Sony basically tapped into an underdeveloped market that was used to play on PC
6:I'm getting into conspiracy territory here but everyone I know had to replace his PSX at least once because it broke easily due to more moving parts, so more consoles sold to replace the broken ones

>>3444835
>6:I'm getting into conspiracy territory here but everyone I know had to replace his PSX at least once because it broke easily due to more moving parts, so more consoles sold to replace the broken ones

Not a conspiracy, the PS1 had a high failure rate, having to use the console upside down in order to play discs is common knowledge among PS1 users.

I just jumped to the Dreamcast when my PS1 broke, but I know a lot of people who went through at least 2 or 3 (or more) consoles because they kept breaking.

>>3444534
Carts and third party support. Only babies like first party nintendo games

>>3444828
The Saturn cannot compete one on one with the PS1.Does the Saturn have a better JP exclusive library than the PS1? Sure. Does the Saturn have a better 2D game library than the PS1? Yes it does. Does the Saturn have a better library of games than the PS1? No fucking way.

>>3444843

I'll be a baby then, but god damn I love F-Zero X.

PC gaming in the late 90's had great games but was a nightmare for the customer, you basically had to change graphic card and processor every 2 years because the advancements in technology were that fast, I remember spending the equivalent of $800 for a PC in 98' only for it to be obsolete by the time MDK 2 was out.

>>3444846

That's subjective.

I base my opinion on what console do I play more often. Between Saturn and PS1, it's the Saturn.

>>3444839
>having to use the console upside down in order to play discs is common knowledge among PS1 users.
I remember also keeping it sideways because my 12 year old me believed it helped spin the discs better.
I still loved mine and everytime I went to help my mom with groceries picking up a bootleg game for pocket change, good times when you bought a game with a fake cover and you would end up with another game.

One time I thought I had bought Megaman Legends 2 but it was actually Misadventures of Tron Bonne, I feel like I lucked out there.

>>3444850
Not for 2D games.

Speaking as someone who only had a PC growing up and had to emulate everything console, I must say the PSX is probably my favorite, I find the pixelated graphics comfy as fuck.

Metal Gear Solid
Vagrant Story
Silent Hill
Parasite Eve
Symphony of the Night
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy
Xenogears
Policenauts
Echo Night

I even enjoyed Fear Effect and Dino Crisis, and I would love to play some more of the JRPGs if I only had the time.

N64 on the other hand has to me always looked ugly as sin with zero charm, and there's virtually nothing worth playing if you're into story-based games and not just wahoo-sproing-bonk platformers.

>>3444872

>emulation

>>3444789
>And in 2016, nobody gives a shit about the often malfunctioning PS1s, while Saturn is cult.
That's because PS1 emulation is all-but perfected and you don't even need the real thing while Saturn emulation...yeah.

>>3444853
That's not subjective,in what genres does the Saturn surpass the PS1? Shmups? Not really considering that the PS1 has some great shmups as well and some were available on both platforms with very little differences.

>>3444850
It was not like the 80s when you could buy a Commodore 64 in 1983 and there'd still be new games in stores in like 1989.

>go in a store in 1999 and try to find anything that runs on a 1993-ish 486 box with 8MB of RAM and Windows 3.1

>>3444876

I'll also argue it's because Saturns, unlike PS1, are actually very sturdy and durable, and have great controllers.
But anyway I keep hearing Saturn emulation actually works if you put up with some shitty GUI. I don't care about emulation either way, I use PS2 to play PS1 nowadays.

>>3444881
No, it is subjective, anon. I said why I say I prefer Saturn over PS1: I just use it more often.
And the "very little differences" in 2D games make the Saturn versions worth playing over the PS1 ones.

>>3444881
Not him but the Saturn has many nice jap exclusives you can't play on PSX.

>>3444884
You could at least run Windows 95.
I had 12 MB RAM for my 486 and played stuff like Diablo 1 or Age of Empires back then.

>>3444903
The PS1 has many jap exclusives you can't play on Saturn

>>3444884
Our first PC was a 486 DX2/66 we got in early '95. there was only a year and a half window where you could go in a store and buy new software for the thing. by the time Clinton's second term started, you'd have to browse the discount rack.

>>3444839
Flipping the PS1 wasn't even a thing until FFVII came out and super-nerds started keeping their PS1s on for 6+ hours at a time

>>3444913
>sony were unable to build a thermally sustainable system

Pathetic

>>3444913
>super-nerds
It's fucking videogames on console, unless you're playing Winning Eleven on the thing(and even then you had to know an obscure japanese football game) you were a shitty nerd.

>>3444910
>you'd have to browse the discount rack.
What's so bad about that?

>>3444918
>football games
>niche

They were talking about Winning Eleven on every fucking magazine before ISS came out

>>3444919
It proves the point that technology in the 90s moved super fast compared to the surrounding decades.

>>3444848
Ill let you have that one

>ITT: People who can't replace a $5 drive mechanism that isn't even screwed in

The PS1 was cheap by design that's how it would have spanked Saturn right out of the gate had Saturn not spanked itself

>>3444848
>>3444946
Eh, thought the later Wipeouts on the PS1 were better. I can still see the appeal behind X, especially since it's one of the few N64 games to actually run very smoothly.

>>3444795
7up is pretty cool though.

>>3444946

OK wait, if I can have F-Zero X, let me have Wave Race 64 and 1080 Snowboarding.

>>3444515
>except for good FPS
Granted, no console is ideal for FPSes, but the PS1 basically started the whole endless train of console FPSes.

Medal of Honor, Lifeforce Tenka, Powerslave, Quake II

>>3445038
>Wave Race 64 and 1080 Snowboarding.
Not even close

>>3445047

For a game to be a "console FPS" it has to be developed for it, not be a port.
Alien Trilogy is the best FPS on Saturn/PS1

>>3444876
Mednafen-Saturn is working pretty well for me, the only game I couldn't get to run is Super Tempo.

>>3445054

I'll fight you on WR64. It's to this day the best jetski racing game, not that it has a lot of competition besides arcade games like Aqua Jet or the Sega one.

>>3444532
This is /v/ bs, gtfo

>>3444532
>>sonygger
take your meme back to /v/

>>3444532
DELETE THIS

>>3445056
Yet another anon's arbitrary rule he feels everyone should agree with.

>>3445174
>>3445129
>>3445065
>>3444576
Y'all niggas need Jesus.

>>3445182
*rape* *rape* *rape*

>>3444763
Most of the time, games like that ran like shit on the Saturn. Also silky smooth 10fps in Wipeout. I love the Saturn, but don't kid yourself.

Also
>>3444759
Comparing PC to consoles? Are you retarded? Might as well compare the arcade versions of games too. Of course they're going to be better. It's only fair to compare a console to other consoles.

The PS1 was just a decent all-rounder, nothing perfect but it was cheap and had a good library so for those who couldn't afford a PC, it was a fine choice.

>>3444816
So how come no one bought a Saturn?

>>3445573
Shit rushed launch.
Not many games were localized.
Sega of America's incompetent leadership.
Hardware that was too annoying to program for, so western developers ignored it in favor of the PSX.
Killed off after only ~3 years which in turn scared several developers away from supporting the Dreamcast.

However, if you dig into its Japanese library, you'll find quite a few hidden gems, like Bug! and Virtual Hydlide.

>>3445583
Way to miss the point.

>>3445596
Which was?

>>3445583
>Virtual Hydlide

>PSX will NEVER EVER have the funkiest retro game

>>3445606
It's silly to point out that both the saturn and ps1 can easilly play burnt games, then claim the ability to play burnt games was why the ps1 was so popular.

>>3445621
Well the Saturn had no games to burn.

>>3445621
Saturn used secret ninja technology to keep piracy at bay that was only recently cracked, almost 20 years later.

>>3445583
>Virtual Hydlide.
>hidden gem
Did we play the same game? Because it's probably the shittiest RPG on Saturn.
>>3445621
People were probably afraid that Segata Sanshiro would rip their spine out if they pirated Saturn games.

>>3445609
Both Bug! and Virtual Hydlide saw US release on Saturn he's trolling.

can't we just agree that n64, saturn, 90's pc, and ps1 all had good games and varying strengths and weaknesses and stop wasting time arguing on the internet

>>3444767
>no Extreme Battle Mode

N64 version is shit.

>>3444818
>>3444828
As what I guess you would call a "Saturn fan" I can tell you;
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you don't like the Saturn, it doesn't matter if you don't appreciate it, it doesn't matter if you and everyone like you doesn't play it, I'll still be able to enjoy it. It's irrelevant and it's not worth my time to try and change your mind or win an argument.

Is the Playstation better? Is the N64 better? Is the Saturn better? Nay, I like them all. What kind of fool would be indoctrinated by the aggressive marketing tactics of a soulless corporation or the biased statements of a magazine shill? "Don't buy those games, buy these games." He was payed to say that because most families can only afford to buy so many games, if they're buying those games they're not buying your games.

But does it matter to me? Are games not games? Is a good game not good because of the brand name upon it?

Foolishness.

>>3445669

The original PS1 version didn't include that either, and anyway superior later ports like DC or GC included the extreme battle mode, so still no reason to play it on PS1.
The N64 version still has unique features like item randomizer and EX files.

>>3445718
>item randomizer
Meh.
>EX files
These can be looked up online.

I'd still take PS1 DS over N64. But yeah, N64 def beats original PS1 ver.

>>3444583
Somebody buys blurays, otherwise how would we get torrents of bluray rips?

>>3444795
What a despicable ad, feeding that shit to a baby before they are even aware that it's bad for you.

>>3444843
Or people that genuinely like having fun. Stupid fanboy.

>>3445710
>Is the Playstation better? Is the N64 better? Is the Saturn better? Nay, I like them all. What kind of fool would be indoctrinated by the aggressive marketing tactics of a soulless corporation or the biased statements of a magazine shill? "Don't buy those games, buy these games." He was payed to say that because most families can only afford to buy so many games, if they're buying those games they're not buying your games.

You were doing well up to here when you got melodramatic and stupid.

>>3445780
See the thing is sugar isn't actually bad for you, in moderation. I allow my kid to have sugar in a lot of things and in that era, sugar was expensive enough that it wasn't stuffed into everything. It wasn't until 1967 that the chemical process to manufacture high fructose corn syrup was industrialized.

Basically, if you just treat HFCS, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil and enriched white flour like poison you'll be fine.

>>3445825
I didn't say anything about sugar being bad for you. People who think sugar is bad for you are completely wrong, the ideal natural diet for humans is almost 100% sugars from fruit, like the other primates eat all the time. The thing is it has to come from natural, raw or lightly processed food.

7-up like other soft drinks is laden with sugar, have all kinds of artificial flavours and preservatives in there, are extremely acidy and acid forming, a terrible food to feed a baby.

>>3445873
7 Up is actually quite free from artificial ingredients and always has been. Until 1950 it DID have lithium in it though. That ad is from 1955, likely part of the new drug-free marketing for the product. At that time it would have been no more unhealthy than lemonade. Probably even with less sugar since it would have had less citric acid to balance thanks to the lime.

>>3444506

great baitchan posting

Ace Combat 1-2
Ape Escape
Alundra
Armored Core & AC:Project Phantasma
Brave Fencer Musashi
Clock Tower
Crash Bandicoot 1-3 & Crash Team Racing
Croc & Croc 2
Darkstalkers 1 & 3
Dino Crisis 1 & 2
Doom
Einhander
GDarius
Galerians
Gex 1 & 3
Guilty Gear
Heart of Darkness
Intelligent Qube
Klonoa
Legacy of Kain: BO & SR
Marvel vs Capcom
MDK
MediEvil 1 & 2
Megaman Legends 1 & 2
Megaman 8
Megaman X4-6
Metal Gear Solid & MGS:VR Missions
Misadventures of Tronne Bonne
Oddworld 1 & 2
Omega Boost
R-Type Delta
Rayman 1 & 2
Resident Evil 1-3
Ridge Racer Type-4
Rival Schools
Skullmonkeys
Spider
Spyro The Dragon 1-3
Street Fighter Alpha 1-3
Strider 2
Threads of Fate
Tomb Raider 3
Tomba 1 & 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1-3
Twisted Metal 1 & 2
Vigilante 8 1 & 2
Wild 9

>>3446000
>all these shit ports of 2D fighting games

>>3446000
>Doom
>Playing a console port of Doom
nice trips but why

>>3445807
???
Do you spend all your time being self conscious for other people who aren't blending in and being mediocre enough to impress average women?

>>3446381
>he doesn't know the epicness of PS1 Doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEqy7yMEx8Q

>>3446381
PS1 Doom was damn near a remake of Doom 1 & 2. New graphics, lighting, monster sounds, weapon sounds, and an ambient soundtrack to give it a more horror feel. Doom 64 actually borrowed the sound fx and had a similar soundtrack since the composer Aubrey Hodges worked on both games (as well as the PS1 version of Final Doom).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRP2OlnX4Gs

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>>3446542
>>3446550
fuckin shit that's awesome
is there a wad for these enhancements?

>>3444772
That is true, but man, Quest 64 is a damn comfy game.

>>3446565
Actually yes, there's a total conversion. You need GZDoom to run it.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/57957-psx-doom-final-doom-tc-version-2-135-now-released/

>>3444772
holy shit i just looked it up there are only 3 straight rpgs on the 64
wtf
rpg fans who went from snes to n64 must've been pissed

>>3446575
niiiice

>>3444835

I burnt out my original PS1 (I actually sold a SNES and a box of SNES games to buy the fucker when I was 7 or 8). The local "game store" wanted like 150-200$ to fix the PS1 so my dad bought me a new one. That one lasted until I sold it to that game store with a couple games to buy a PS2. My Sister got a PSX around that time, I had the fat PS2 which burnt out and was replaced by a slim PS2.

That slim PS2 lasted until about 2 years ago when I fucked up one of the sensors modding it.

>>3446576
RPGs are all about atmosphere and stats rather than game mechanics directly, especially at that time. 3D was headed in novel and exciting ways with games like Mario or PIlotwings and sports games so Nintendo wanted to concentrate on that. It doesn't excuse it, but there's some defence.

>>3446550
Don't forget removing monsters, nerfing the fuck out of the revenant, simplifying and shrinking levels, and trying to make a horror game out of RIP AND TEAR GOTTA GO FAST DOOM years before Doom3 perfected that suck.

It was okay, but there's nothing that beats the original. Stop thinking putting scary, environmental music to Doom is a good idea. It's not.

>>3446604
This. I like the explodey face as much as the next guy but nothing can replace the metal midis.

>>3446604
The only monster they removed was the Arch-Vile because of memory limitations, but they did add a new one, the Nightmare Spectre.

And as for cutting down levels, the only one I know of that was hit hard was The Pit in Doom 2, severely reduced in verticality. On a positive note, most of the city maps, which were the least liked/least popular ones, were omitted, so the PS1 version can be thought of as a "best of" for Doom 2, although it obviously lacks Icon of Sin and the Wolfenstein levels.

>Stop thinking putting scary, environmental music to Doom is a good idea. It's not.
That's your opinion, but obviously an unpopular one since most Doom fans (a lot of them PC Doom vets) hold the PS1 version in high regards.

>>3446604
>Stop thinking putting scary, environmental music to Doom is a good idea. It's not.
I run Project Brutality, the ambient music mod, and the visor hud mod.

It's a good idea.

>>3444508
Tomb Raider doesn't really hold up, and Crash Bandicoot... really? I will never understand why people talk about those games as though they are still relevant in any capacity. They were already obsolete by the time Mario 64 came along. Einhander is just your standard, overpriced meme shooter.

I suppose Resident Evil and Metal Gear are still worth mentioning. As a kid, I wasn't into those types of games, and honestly the original Metal Gear is the game I fucking blame for the "interactive movies" we have today. Sometimes I wonder why I wasn't into the system as a kid, and it's pretty apparent that, outside of RPGs (which I didn't like), it was quantity over quality.

>>3446572
Is it, really? I remember being vaguely interested in it when I was starting to gain a taste for the concept of RPGs, but I feel like anyone who says the game is good is just some poor shmuck who got stuck with it as a crummy birthday present one year.

>>3446626
It also had the most bitchin cover art work for Doom hands down

>>3447036
Both of those games came out after Mario 64 actually

>>3444506
it got a good number of PC ports

>>3444506
I thought the same thing as a kid, the 64 had stuff I liked and played fast, i hated the idea of disc based games he moment they started happening.
They still suck btw.

>>3447036
>They were already obsolete by the time Mario 64 came along.
I dunno man. Can't really compare TR to SM64 since the former is in an almost entirely different league. However Crash Bandicoot I think has aged a lot more gracefully, as I've burnt myself out of SM64 before I even got 50 stars. The hackneyed objectives and the anus camera controls and level design of the latter really didn't help, and leads me to think it just became mostly popular on virtue of being a Mario game. I gotta admit though, Mario himself does control very well.

>Einhander is just your standard, overpriced meme shooter.
Not really different from Sin & Punishment, and even then I still greatly prefer Einhander.

>>3446562
How many of those have you actually played to denote them as "shit"?

>multiplat
Is that even an actual criticism?

>>3447036
>Tomb Raider doesn't really hold up
stopped reading

>>3447103
>disc based games he moment they started happening.
So around the time of the PCE-CD? Or the moment PC games started adopting the format?

>>3447036
>Tomb Raider doesn't really hold up

Translation: Kids in 2016 can't get into older games. Go back to your xbox. This thread is sad, anyone who can't find awesome non-rpg PS1 games is an idiot.

>>3447153

>>3444506
sometimes it's too formulaic but some games did challenge the same old same old RPG top-down formula.

>>3447156
If that guy genuinely thinks Tomb Raider and Crash Bandicoot games are "obsolete" and not "relevant in any capacity" then it's a pretty grim outlook for his capacity to criticize games. So I doubt he's playing much xbox, he's playing xbox one and PS4 because that's what they told him were the best games.

>>3447234
>xbox one and PS4
>not the Wii U

He did claim that SM64 did "age better" than both titles after all.

>>3444872
Ogre Battle 64. Seriously, if you haven't tried it, do so.

>>3444506

This is kinda shit if you're not into fighting games.