/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3429557
AFAIK, the PS2 is better at playing PS1 games. quicker load times, slightly improved graphics (???), etc. it has the added bonus of playing PS2 games.

>>3429557
>my thoughts were that the disc reader on the ps2 is better than that on the original hardware.
Really? My old PSX still reads cds just fine, can't say the same thing about my PS2 fat.

>>3429557
Ps3 best for ps1. Also the last to play ps1.

Graphics get better and less load times.

>PS1s and parts are much cheaper
>Slim handful of PS1 games that are incompatible with PS2
>Cute little screens and battery packs that snap onto PSOnes in a comfy way

So to answer your question, no you didn't make a mistake. A PS2 with a soft mod outputting component to a CRT is a candidate for GOAT dirt-cheap system.

>>3429590

If a softmodded PS2 could actually access the internal PS mode it would be an easy GOAT, Popsloader usually doesn't cut it unfortunately. Regarding the OP, if PSIO ever gets finished and close to 100% compatibility it will make original PS1's much more desirable.

>>3429613

* Popstarter is what I meant to say, Popsloader is the PSP one. It's updated now and again but as it was only a emulator for one game from the start further development seems futile.

>>3429613
You can still boot burned PS1 games with the softmod and a top loader. At the beginning of this year NOS fat fliptops appeared on eBay out of France of all places and I tried mentioning them every chance I could to the point I got banned for spamming but I really wanted as many Anons as possible to have the sweet joy of both top loading and IDE HDD

OP here, its a slim, is softmodding out of the question?

>>3429649
Absolutely not. You can softmod a PS2 slim with Free McBoot. Also, you should look into getting component cables if you don't have them already. It makes those PS1 games look so good. The PS3 uses the same cable so you should be able to find one for sub $5.

>>3429669
i just have the standard RWY cables, are you saying i should get one like pic related, or are the standard cables fine? i have a decent CRT to play on so i'm not sure if it'd even support the extra cables.

>>3429675
Yeah, you'll want component cables the difference between that and composite will blow you away. Also, a top loader is much easier to swap discs on you just miss out on the fastest way to store games because it doesn't have IDE and nobody has hacked the firewire. You can still use USB or stream over the network though, you just get choppy FMVs sometimes.

>>3429675
Go with SCART if you want a decent picture, not those crappy RCA component cables.

>>3429669
Free McBoot doesn't work slims past a certain serial number. Otherwise it's pretty great though.

>>3429738
>I'm 100% invested in the scart meme
There's no difference in the signal and component cables are much less fragile than scart.

>>3429738
SCART =! RGB

What you meant to say was use CSync RGB is better than YPbPr for the PS2.

>>3429750
>There's no difference in the signal and component cables
Yes there is. RGB and YPbPR are two different color spaces. RGB is better in most cases since the signal separates Red, Green, Blue, Sync among other things.

>>3429757
Only SCART gives true RGB colours.

>>3429772
Also untrue. If you put a ps2 into rgb mode with component cables plugged into it you will get RGB and sync on the composite line. The multi out port uses the exact same pins whether it's a component or scart cable plugged into it.

>>3429761
What other things? Please explain in detail how you believe RGB to be inherently better than YPbPr I'd like to know.

>>3429792
No you won't, you clearly don't know how video signals work.

>>3429792
http://www.retrorgb.com/playstation.html#ps2

>The component video encoder in the Playstation 2 is known to be a bit noisy.

>>3429584
>http://www.retrorgb.com/playstation.html#ps2

PS3 has no scanlines when playing PS1.
It's linedoubled to 480i which causes flicker and combing artifacts.

>>3430240
Wrong.
PS3 looks much better playing PS1 games, but not PS2 games.

I just test my PS1 (first version with AV jacks) and PS2 slim with the game Alundra.

The PS1 was connected with S-video and the PS2 slim was connected with component. They are both NTSC.

The PS2 slim picture output was lighter and more saturated colors.
The PS1 picture output was darker and more muted colors.

What caused this,
The video encoders of the different consoles?
or the different signals given to the TV (S-video and component)?

>>3429572
The only graphical benefit of playing PS2 on PS1 games is you can enable bilinear texture filtering.

It generally does make games look better though. I'm not a delusional PS1 fanboy.

Found a second hand PS2 fat 30003:
softmodded,chipped, new laser, hdd adapter, 60gb hdd, 1 original controller, 8mb memory card (no-name brand), seller throws in a component cable as an addition to the original cables

~73 dollars

Should I buy it /vr/?

>>3430365
But not perspective correct textures?

>>3430550
>perspective correct textures?

Nope. That would be more complicated. The PS2's GPU is essentially an array of 16 "enhanced" PS1 pixel pipelines (albeit with 1 texture unit per 2 pixel pipelines). One of the enhancements is that the PS2 has a texture filtering sub-unit along each texture unit.

Due to their similarities it's very simple to get the PS2 running PS1 games. When you turn texture smoothing on, it means that the single pixel pipeline's texture unit has its texture filtering sub-unit kick into gear and do bilinear sampling.

>>3430559
So the PS2 doesn't even have perspective correct textures?

>>3430565
The PS2 does have it, but my point is that it's more complicated than simply inserting an automated sub-unit along a pixel pipeline like with bilinear texture filtering.

In a loose sense, the PS2 doesn't even "emulate" PS1, it literally has a form of the PS1 GPU inside of it

I hang on to mine just for the boot screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIx-e07PmyM

>>3429750
Stop using cheap component cables.

>>3429557
There's a great video on this:
https://youtu.be/f7fCTHu99bk

>>3429832
And you clearly don't know how PS2s work. THE SAME PINS CARRY RGB/S IN RGB MODE AS CARRY YPbPr/C IN COMPONENT MODE. If you plug component cables into a PS2 that is set to RGB mode, the component cables will literally be putting out RGB with sync on the composite line just like if you plug a scart cable into a PS2 that is set to component mode, the scart will have YPbPr/C on the pins it would usually have YPbPr on. Cables are just cables, all they do is carry signals.You could make your own cables that look any damn way you want them to and they'd still carry the same signals.

>>3429838
And if you send RGB/S out the multi port you won't be using the "component encoder" though I've never noticed any "flakiness" in it.

>>3430589
You mean cheap scart cables. Sadly, the standards fluctuate wildly. A $30 scart cable can still show up and be "cheap" while a $30 component cable (that you can easily find for $1-$2 in a junk bin) will be good quality. The bottom line is that the way euro scart cables are designed is inherently more fragile than the way phono/RCA cables are designed with far more potential for shorted lines and interference.

>>3430365
>bilinear texture filtering.
>It generally does make games look better

What exactly is bilinear texture filtering?
Can you post some side-by-side comparisons of PS1 vs PS2 enhanced screenshots?

>>3430240
I never had that problem.

As for scan lines, i never used old tvs for ps1.

>>3430940
Honestly I advise against fucking with any of that enhancement shit the PS2 offers because it kicks it up to 480i and does a bunch of other weird shit to it at which point you might as well just be emulating. That Pgxp thing or whatever with the perspective correction is pretty impressive but the point of playing on real hardware is accuracy, which using "enhancements" puts you in a dumb middle ground on. About the only game that looks eye-catchingly better with it is Vagrant Story probably because as a late release it was designed with the PS2 in mind.

>>3431037
>because as a late release it was designed with the PS2 in mind.
Source on that?

>>3431041
May 2000 issue of Official US Playstation Magazine

The only really major thing you're missing is that GOAT boot-up sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIxUScfOQwg

Also IIRC some games like FFV have issues on the PS2, but you shouldn't be playing the PS1 version of FFV anyway.

>>3429584
PS1 games on PS3 are only worth it if you plan on playing on an HDTV, since it upscales pretty nicely. Trying to play them on a CRT will give you eye cancer.

The opposite is true for PS2 games on PS3 though, they look great on a CRT but look awful on an HDTV.

>>3430241
If you're blind, sure. The PS3 doesn't support 240p, so PS1 games are upscaled to 480i.

>>3429636
Anyone knows if this works fine?

>>3431250
What, fliptop cases or burned PS1 games in top loading PS2s?

>>3431359
That specific top loading cover for the fat PS2. I found the website where you can buy it, but I don't know if it's reliable or not.

>>3431710
I have one I bought new from france. The first time I opened it one of the hinges immediately broke but a little superglue fixed it. It's basically just a disc-sized flap cut out of a ps2 top. You even have to take the actual spinner out of the top you take off. It closes and snap downs precisely though. The thing works like it ordinarily would when it's closed and when you want to do a disc swap, you just carefully pop it open. I imagine that eventually I'll break the catch and need to put a little hook or something but even if I do it's still by far the least pita way to swap discs on a phat.

>>3431250
you dont even need that with a freemcboot memory card

>>3431753
I don't want to use a slide tool to fuck up the disc tray and I know that you can't use PSXLOADER with a PS2 Fat.

>>3431761
Sorry my english is shit

You can use *PSXLAUNCHER on fat PS2 but you need to open the tray with the slide tool and I don't want to do that because I know I'll fuck it up.

>>3429738
>>3429761
RGB and YPbPr are mathematically identical to each other and are supposed to produce identical images. Realistically, the result is a literally unnoticeable degradation in quality with YPbPr. The PS2 doesn't have the best Component transcoder, but it comes with it out of the box and its by far the cheapest, most convenient, and equally good looking option.

>tfw American people genuinely believe using magical $20 European video standard is always the best option

>>3431802

Blame it on the autists and their "CRT general" where the SCART meme was born from.

>>3431780
That's exactly why you get a fliptop

>>3431816
Exactly. I'm just asking if they're good to use. Like, it's not of cheap build, etc.

>>3431840
Well, it is cheap build but it's still better than any other option.