/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[08-04] Urania, new Plutonia megawad
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/urania

[08-04] Anon maps update: Knee Deep Again >>3404968
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u1dec5iwynr6lm9/Knee_Deep_Again.wad

[08-04] THT Threnody (Ty Halderman Tribute project) released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/thtthren

[08-02] Anon maps update: Earth >>3400398
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Doom64EX/index.php?showtopic=143

[07-30] Anon map WIP: Moonlit >>3397363
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0lh8qppkkmq2x7/Moonlit.pk3

[07-29] Anon map release: HOUSE.wad >>3393371
https://www.dropbox.com/s/krtymf1c5am9saf/HOUSE.wad

[07-29] Vinesauce Doom Mapping Contest
https://twitter.com/joel_vinesauce/status/759106077120204801

[07-29] MM8BDM v5
http://cutstuff.net/mm8bdm/?p=249

[07-29] Anon mod release: Void Elemental >>3391175
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lodgca3scj2ivz/Void.pk3

[07-25] Anon map release: Foundry >>3384954
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NxOZlEf5aNOEx3YXh1TzEyeWs/view?usp=sharing

[07-22] Anon map release: Crunk Refinery >>3379784
http://basedhost.com/tmp/crunkrefinery.zip

[07-22] Andrew Hulshult Doom remake album
https://youtu.be/AGK1dr-Ql0w

[07-22] Interview with Romero on Quake
https://qexpo2016.com/tronyn-interviews-john-romero/

[07-22] Anon mod release: Spamcannon >>3377859
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=spamcannon.pk3

[07-18] Anon mod release: Green Snek >>3371332
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk49nzw50uje53s/Green%20Snek.pk3

[07-18] Anon mod release: Behr's 2016 Color Trends palette >>3369936
http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/DlMdqClj/file.html
http://www96.zippyshare.com/v/RzdAB0Pi/file.html

[07-17] Anon mod update: Smooth Doom Weapons Only >>3368842
http://www.mediafire.com/download/trk7yt4v9egtrnv/SmoothDoom-WeaponsOnly.pk3

[07-16] Anon map release: TerrorTomb >>3365964
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vucmubygevbuzfe/TerrorTomb.wad

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second for dump 3 never

>>3411184
D'aww

If you could cherry pick weapons from the Id shooters and make a weapon set with them. What would your set look like?

Mine would be:
Chainsaw: quake 3s gauntlet

Blend fist and pistol together and use quake 2's blaster and quake's axe

Shotgun: doom 4's shotgun, complete with grenade shot

SSG would stay the same

Chaingun: Doom 4's HAR with mini rocket secondary

Rocket launcher: Quake 1's launcher, maybe with the grenade launcher as an altfire

Plasma gun: quake 4's hyper blaster

BFG: either classic BFG or the rapid firing BFG 9k from quake 3

>>3411184

Yeah, at one point yesterday I was going to convert a video I found on tumblr and suggest the OP to put it at the beginning of the thread, but I completely forgot about it.

>you will never play Doom with your mother

>>3411191
>rapid firing BFG 9k from quake 3
You mean the BFG10K

>>3411184
>john romero's mom made him her bitch

>>3411197
someone with a twitter please post this to john romeros account

>>3411132

why does team damage trigger people

>>3411191
Q2 BFG
it's the proto D4 BFG

plasma gun would be combination of D2 and D4
D2 blocky base design, D4 sounds (they're so good)

>>3411196

Damn it I was trying to recall if it was 9 or 10k.

Cool gun though

>>3411205
100 friendly kills later

>>3411184
2cute

>>3411197
mysides.png

>>3411191
my weapons would be:

weapon 0:The q2 blaster due to infinite ammo

weapon 1: the "wingsticks" from Rage as a chainsaw weapon

weapon 2: doom shotgun

weapon 3: quake 1 grenade launcher

weapon 4: Wolfenstein3d Minigun

weapon 5: quake 1 rocket launcher

weapon 6: quake 1 lighting gun

Weapon 7: Quake 3 BFG

>>3411231

>RAGE weapons

Aw fuck I knew I forgot one. I want wingsticks for my chainsaw tier now

>>3411205
Where do you think we are?
Also I was the guy who asked that question, I'd love to play with you asshats sometime this week.

>>3411239
how about:
a chainsaw
with wingsticks at the end of the blade on both sides
they spin with the chainsaw teeth
and there's a secondary trigger to launch them when you're revving the chainsaw

>>3411257

Oh my god that is fucking rad

>>3411191
1: Revenant Skeleton Punch
2: Doom64 pistol
3: Doom 2 SSG
4: Quake 2 Machinegun
5: Doom64 Rocket Launcher
6: RTCW FG-42
7: Doom64 Plasma gun
8: Quake 2 Railgun
9: Doom64 BFG
0: Wraithverge

Centered view weapons or off to the side?

>>3411285
I prefer centered.

>>3411285

Centered, but I'm fine with off to the side.

>>3411281
>Revenant Skeleton Punch
2meem

>>3411285
mix and match

is quake 2 better than 1

>>3411302
It's pretty gud, but nah

>>3411297
NOOOOOO!

>>3411302
Naw son, a lot of people don't think much of the single player campaign but the multiplayer is pretty fun.
Q1 is objectively better all round, it q2 multi is maybe a little more fun because of map design.

I wonder what would've happened if Quake 2 made it as "Wor" (I believe?) like it was supposed to instead of id having to deal with Copyright difficulties. I imagine Quake 3 would've just become Quake Arena, or maybe its own thing again.

>>3411285

Centered.

>>3411297

YOU DOUBLE HERETIC

>>3411339
"Wor 2"

>>3411257>>3411274

what about the chainsaw yoyo(gib-gib) from serious sam double d xxl

>>3411297

There's heresy. And then there's ADVANCED heresy.

Bonus: Put a few marksman weapons offset, but on the left instead of the right.

>>3411285
Mostly centered, but slightly off to the right.

>>3411328
>>3411341
>>3411409
I appreciate that Unreal's Razorjack and Eightball are centred, they are very dangerous to the user and firing from the center of the player's view keeps them from accidentally clipping walls.

Anyone here play Heretic 2 at all? I had the demo when I was a kid, but haven't tried it since. It didn't run super well on my computer.

who else going to see if doom 4 even fucking runs on their machine now that it has a steam bypass

mostly i just want it for access to the resources inside but if it runs after putting everything on subtoaster it might be interesting

>>3411295

You got beef with revenants, fuckboy?

>>3411368

That's a thing?

Speaking of Serious Sam

https://github.com/Croteam-official/Serious-Engine

>>3411463
wat u speek ov

>>3411479
You're reminding me of that one anon who named his wad "Pissboy" and then when I asked him why, posted furry porn and said "why not"

>>3411483
ioSerious when

>>3411514
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/denuvo-has-been-defeated-first-doom-crack-is-now-available/

*not really a crack

From VOKSI

>>3411519
So I can DL the full game and have steam think it's the demo?

>>3411532
Aw jeez, it does require Steam to run.

Yeah that seems to be the gist of it, even with VPNs and such I wouldn't risk it in case I fucked up. I don't need my Steam account getting banned over this.

3DM will solve the Denuvo problem eventually.

>>3411481
yes as well as a machine gun that shoot out exploding sentry guns

>>3411538
Ah, ok then.

what happened

>>3411438
I've played it enough to say I did, but it's a bitch to get running on a modern system. Wasn't too happy with it overall after all that effort, but then again, while I love the setting, I thought Heretic 1 was a bit bland and vastly preferred Hexen.

>>3411621
Try gldirect
gldirect.sf.net

>>3411629
I run Linux for everything, but thanks anyway.

>>3411621
I remember the demo being like tomb raider, but less clunky with more focus on combat. I really liked how the areas felt somewhat real, vs the original Heretic which was kinda abstract.

The best thing about Heretic is the sound effects and music. Gameplay wise it's still good, but other than the inventory system it's still a little too close to Doom.

>>3411631
It's kinda a bummer that Wine is so problematic at times, otherwise I would have switched to Kubuntu already

>>3411641
PlayOnLinux can ease a lot of pain, but yeah, I understand. Steam is a total godsend, too. I still think it's worth it, given all the shit with Windows 10 and also simply because I believe the Unix-like architecture is overall a better way to compute. If it weren't for systemd, anyway, but that's a whole different issue and beyond the scope of this thread.

>>3411613
something happened?

>>3411645
I just use Windows 7 with Never10, but yeah, this is more of a /g/ thing.

>>3411648
we went half an hour without a post

>>3411652
it's nighttime, whaddya expect

>>3411652
i was out drinking

pointless vfx go!!

>>3411750
You should give that shotgun more of a pump animation when it's lifted.
It goes by so far that it lacks the satisfaction of pumping it, which is also a bit weird because the muzzle flash stays there for quite awhile by comparison.

Really nice effects though, this is for that MetaDoom mod?

>>3411754
yeah, i've got an improved pump animation on hand, i just haven't plugged it in yet.

and yeah, it's for metadoom. thanks for the compliments!

>>3411758
Looking forward to it, seems pretty fun.

>>3411750
try this:
make the blood splat half their scale, then double their scale over 8 or so tics (about 0.25 s) tics
you can do this with decals too, makes them look more splattery

Friendly Reminder

>>3411862
i fully support this

>>3411862
Supported.

>>3411862
Thanks friend

>>3411862

Honest question to anyone who isn't tired of talking about Brutal Doom yet. I'm new as fuck so I don't know shit.
Apart from the annoying fanbase, what's wrong with Brutal Doom and/or Project Brutality?

Last time I asked this the mod fucking banned me for three days for "low quality posts outside of /b/", whatever the fuck that means. I hope hotpockets don't notice me this time.

>>3411907
Terrible audio design is my main gripe with it.

Why hasn't DOOM been ported to a smart fridge, microwave or pic related yet?

>>3411862
memeit.jpg

>>3411862
I just play in zdoom software

>>3411908
Oh yes, definitely. I don't really think it's irredeemable garbage, but it could be better.
There's some soundpack mod for BD20b, but it's pretty shit too. I'd like to have sounds from Accessories to Murder in PB, but I can't into modding yet.

>>3411908
That and the torture porn for me.

>>3411940
Oh yeah, I hate the noises the monsters make when they're dying. Makes me feel gross.

>>3411907
>the mod fucking banned me for three days for "low quality posts outside of /b/", whatever the fuck that means.

it means you're basically going into the shmup thread and saying "what's wrong with ikaruga?" or into the metroid thread and saying "what's wrong with other m?"

>>3411949
So I'm not allowed to ask questions I don't know the answer to? I'm not trying to bait, I'm just new to Doom.

>>3411907
Brutal Doom started as a fun gameplay mod that got derailed by bad design designs and an ego that's hardly befitting a mod for a 20+-year old game.

There are other reasons, of course, but that's more or less the crux of it.

>>3411950
no, but don't be surprised if you get your head bitten off

forgive the cynicism, but the chances that you are actually genuinely new to doom and actually haven't heard any of the criticisms to brutal doom are miniscule

>>3411953
That's what I'm trying to ask. I hear people mention bad design decisions, but they never explain what they mean (probably because everyone but me already knows).

>>3411954
Well, new as in started playing on and off a year ago. I've heard criticism, but mostly some really non-specific stuff or something about the author himself.
Anyway, I'm just curious. I like playing with it sometimes, so it's not like I'll stop having fun.

Anyone else here try out the updated Samsara yet? It's pretty good.
>tfw there's an option to kill that horrid top bar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmsGM31vYj8

>>3411953

>design designs

>>3411976
HAH

>>3411970
oh jeez

>>3411907
Just stick around for a while and you will eventually hear about it anyways.

I'm sure that everyone here can agree that while mods are a ton of fun, vanilla is in the end the most charming choice.

/r/ that video of the russian kid who only plays brutal doom and whose mother gets pissed.

>>3411964
that option has been in for, like
forever

>D4D barons

>>3411964
You could do that with cvars, anon.

>>3412027

git gud

>>3412027
>being bad

>>3412032
>>3412037
It's not like they're that hard to kill, it's just the constant leaping is annoying
Also they look awful

>>3412048
Just like your gem waifu.

But yeah, the leaping is seriously pretty annoying. All kinds of enemies that can move over big distances in a second are an awful idea in general.

>>3412048
>>3412049
I like the leaping barons and running charges the pinkies do personally.
Many ways to deal with them on just about every level.

Although once in awhile I see Barons leap into a pit and then it's just an easy kill

>>3411514
>that one anon who named his wad "Pissboy" and then when I asked him why, posted furry porn and said "why not
not the same people
source: maker of pissboy, never gave a reason why I named it that or posted furry porn
i'm still butthurt about never getting any actual feedback

Well...
I ran GZDoom for the first time and I saw, how does OpenGL-rendered Doom looks.
I didn't like it, is there a way to make OpenGL look like software-rendered Doom?

>>3412075
There's a "software" lighting option, but otherwise no. Make sure you're turning off texture filtering.

>>3412075
Options -> Display Options -> Texture Options

Texture Filter Mode: None

If you have a "modern" graphics card you should be able to run Reshade with GZDoom which should allow you to force GZDoom's output into Doom's palette, but I'm not sure how to go about it since I can't get the damn thing to work. Just know I seen someone do it on the ZDoom forums.

>>3412075
Unrelated to how it looks, but under the Mouse options disable Prescale Mouse Movement. At first I thought it was just scaling the mouse movement to the window size, but other sources say it's mouse acceleration. I'm not sure if it's because it actually disabled mouse acceleration or because the sensitivity changed but I was taking much better shots after disabling it.

>changing the menu dim colour from piss to dark blue with 0.15 dim amount
awwwww yeah, that's what's good

>>3411907
Because it's a mod that fucking ads ironsights and cutscene kills for the two biggest things wrong with it.

It also actively fucks over other mods because of just how much shit it breaks, and the thousands of children asking for every mod to be Brutal Doom compatible.

The creator of it is essentially subhuman.

The gore in it destroys the Doom aesthetic and looks like a five year old squirting ketchup everywhere.

Though this is partially all non software rendered sourceports fault, Brutal Doom requiring sourceports with support for vertical aiming and OpenGL rendering associates it with the endless waves of children who have the barrier to enjoy the game lowered flooding in to just complete shit up modding communities.

>>3412096
Just tried it. It's not mouse acceleration, but I don't know what it's supposed to do.
Disabling it slowed down my horizontal mouselook speed to fucking 10px/cm or something, while retaining vertical mouselook speed.

>>3412105
>ironsights
>cutscene kills
>gore
Optional. Ironsights can be disabled (I think) or just not used. Cutscene kills are only for fists, and can be disabled by simply pressing R. Gore can also be decreased, although that's obviously a big part of the mod.

>It also actively fucks over other mods because of just how much shit it breaks
Doesn't every gameplay mod do that?

>and the thousands of children asking for every mod to be Brutal Doom compatible.
>The creator of it is essentially subhuman.
Not a problem with the mod, though. If I enjoy something, I don't care if it was made by fucking Hitler and enjoyed by literal Nazis.

>>3412116
Why bother playing it at all if you can turn off everything the mod does?

>>3412149
For the enhanced gunplay.

I'm joking, that's trash too.

>>3412149
The point is that it's customizable.
Also, besides gore, BD adds weapons, reload system and kicking, changes the enemy behaviour and makes the game a little harder.
It obviously strays from the traditional Doom gameplay, but that's kind of the purpose of a gameplay mod.

>talking about BD when PB exists

>>3412152
Meanwhile, this thread highlights fucking Accessories to Murder of all things as a recommended gameplay mod.

>>3412158
Accessories to Murder is like BD's Realism if it was competent.

>>3412160
AtM's guns and reloads are shit, let's not kid ourselves.
The only thing it does any better are sounds.

>>3412161
Sound is setting the bar pretty low.

>>3412157
Oh also another modern element that BD adds that's trash for Doom: reloading.

What the fuck does reloading add to the game?

I seriously need to know why anyone would want to have their gun stop every few seconds in DOOM of all games.

>>3412168
To add a tactical element, but BD's reloading doesn't add much required thought. It just happens and there's no drawback aside from you can't shoot for a split second.

So really all it does in BD is add something visually interesting because cramming 50 visual effects down your throat at once is BD's style.

Unlike AtM's reloading which adds more thought due to discarding unused ammo, adding required prep between more intense gunfights.

>>3411174

VERY IMPORTANT AMMO ADDED

>>3412175
Active reloading in Doom sounds like an actual mechanical twist though. I can understand why people would want a feature like that because it rewards good ammo management.

BD's reloading rewards absolutely nothing while taking away your ability to shoot at any point in time as long as you have ammo.

>>3412161
>AtM's guns and reloads are shit
I like the pump shotgun when set to it's original stats before Weasel put a huge nerf on it. Pretty much played the mod solely for the shotgun.

Same for Brutal Doom really
I love shotguns

>yet more brutal doom discussion

You guys are idiots. It's like fucking clockwork

>>3412210
We should just ban it all like the zdoom forums did.

>>3412213

Or people could show some self control and not respond.

>>3412210
No one's arguing or trolling though, we're all just agreeing that it's bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_gQAITzIk

>>3412228
Not gonna happen. There are people who have to post how not baited they are.

>>3412265
I watched the first three seconds of this and it already felt like pretentious Game Theory level fuckery.

>>3411949

People have some beef with Ikaruga? That's news to me. I always felt like it was a very nice shmup. Does it get hailed as the one shmup to rule them all by entry level babbies or something?

>>3412521
When you play Ikaruga you can play for shooting game and chain or you can play dot eater.

>>3411285
For Doom, I prefer centered.
For more modern games I prefer to the side, with the possible addition of aim down sights

>>3411302
I think it's a bit better for being a fully realized game, rather than the not quite finished and rushed compromise which the first one was (though that also made it a very unique sort of game).

>>3411750
p cool

>>3411910
It probably has. There's a blog about Doom being ported to everything.

>>3412105
Ironsights are perfectly fine for games or gameplay mods designed around it, as is reloading.

I won't defend BDs actual flaws though, such as the sound design, and the gore which I honestly can't take seriously.

>>3412161
AtM is great if you tweak it.

>>3412538

Doesn't that add to the challenge though?

>>3412610
Sort of.

The real issue with it is that the game is very static.

It's a good shmup, but it's very static and if you want to play for points there's quite literally only one way to play it.
It's not really a flaw that is noticeable until you start playing for points. If you just play it as dot eater then it's fun.

Go play Mars Matrix

>>3411191
doom 4 chainsaw
quake 2 pistol
doom 3 shotgun
doom 2 ssg
quake 4 rifle
doom 3 chaingun
doom 3 rl
quake 3 plasma gun
doom 3 bfg

Slap some colours on it.

>>3412116
brutal doom's gore and dismemberment actors break triggers and stuff involved with them half of the time. If so much as a gib splats over the higher step to the exit switch in Doom 2 map08 for example, chances are the lower one won't raise at all

now imagine arena-styled encounters where a door is expected to open once you kill everything, something somewhere is sure to break from all those gore actors spawned near the one barred door you're supposed to go through

>>3412640
haha nice 1 m8

>>3412640
the ssg is supposed to be *less* accurate than the shotgun, not *more* acxurate

>>3412629

Ahhh, makes sense. Thanks anon!

(I'll go play Mars Matrix too, good rec)

>>3412640
u memeing nigga

>Still no news on the Vinesauce Doom mapping contest

What the hell is that Swede doing?

well, i finally made the bridge to rail jump (pic kinda related)
now i'm bored

>>3412234
>we
not this guy>>3412116

>>3412763
half his tweets are about him being too sick to do anything.

>>3412878
does he have the cancer or something?

>>3412916
When he was a child his immune system destroyed the beta cells in his pancreas, meaning he doesn't have enough insulin.

With diabetes, the blood vessels supplying the penis's erectile tissue can get hard and narrow, preventing adequate blood supply needed for a firm erection. The nerve damage caused by poor blood sugar levels can also cause ejaculate to go into the bladder instead of through the penis during ejaculation, called retrograde ejaculation. When this happens, semen leaves the body in the urine.

Joel is very sick.

>>3412923
what happens when you grip too hard so as to not make a mess and the semen stays inside?

>>3412950
If you keep that up you'll impregnate your own prostate.

>>3412958
sounds like something out a chinese cartoon

>>3412961
It sounds like something John Carmack would do to preserve his bloodline.

>>3412963

>>3412923
His recent tweet is more about being busy editing. Something will come up related to the contest eventually.

>>3412990
3 months ago in his weird Doom wads stream he said he was gonna stream Metroid Prime.

hasn't said anything about it since.

Should I play D!Zone? I know it's crap, but it's historical crap too, so, I wanted to check it out.

>>3412689
lasaga

>>3413034
it's only 150mb what do you have to lose? btw i recommend d!zone 2 with 21hex_m.wad. it's pretty good for shovel

>>3413034

>>3412923
Huh, interesting.

>>3412521
It is very solid shmup ( the art-direction is especially wonderful ), but has its problems; the game/scoring system is not very fun and turns game into more of a puzzle, bosses are rather lazy ( 3rd boss and 4th boss in particular, although arguement could be made that 4th stage is the boss ), the music, while good, does tend to feel bit samey due to strong leit motif...
But what happens when a niche game enters mainstream is that people get pissy because all this attention is going towards one game they perhaps do not love. Same kinda happened with Touhou, although problem is more with the fanbase which caused shmup market to get oversatured with shooters with little girls in them. There are ton of great shmups around, mostly unlocalized or without much attention - Ikaruga was one of lucky few. Dodonpachi Daioujou, Armed Police Batrider, ESP.ra.de, Battle Garegga, Crimson Clover, Kamui...

Anyway, same thing happened with Brutal Doom. It got into mainstream consciousness, and then came influx of people harassing developers about compability, kinda like people would come to comment "touhou is harder". The drama surrounding author is just toppings.

Sorry for sperging, but shmups are rather close to my heart.

>>3413158

R-Type is better anyway

Hey, I love me some Doom and I've played a ton of WADs lately but I'm getting kind of burnt out. I've never actually played Quake in my life though despite owning them on Steam, and I'm sure I've downloaded them before in the past as well. Is it worth it to play them? I'm looking at the information in the OP and I kind of want some personal opinions. What's the best way to experience it in your opinions. I'm just curious since I hear they're amazing too and I think I should try to experience them.

21HEX_PN.WAD
21hex_pn.zip (58 KB, 1994-07-18) - Peter Naus
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=563

the inner garden courtyard is copied six times with little variation. the rest of the map consists of long corridors and one very steep staircase. there are 230 monsters most of which you will dig through with the shotgun - there are plasma and rocket weapons available but they do not come until late. do not look for a chaingun - it exists but is behind the exit(!). maximum secrets 7/9. an easy map, but it drags on and repeats itself too much.

>>3412028
you could do that even *before* the cvars

>>3413158
>GZDoom Builder crashes
>1.5h work erased

Sigh. Once again, my habits bite me arse.

>>3413207
save and save often

>>3413207
bind save to mouse1

10 minutes into D!Zone gold, I only played a few maps.
Already considering suicide

>>3413215
is that one of those dodgy doom to doom2 conversion maps that puts an archvile in somewhere completely at random?

What is with BTSX's fetish for Revenents in every room?

>>3413225
Revenants fall into comfortable spot of being dangerous enough, but frail enough - used as more dangerous imp.

>>3413225
some genius decided to turn revenants into a meme. they used to be just another monster in the mix, as common as hellknights or cacodemons. now they're everywhere.

>>3413231
i blame that doom monster strats video desu

>>3413236
i think it's more the fault of those who saw the video and spammed its catchphrases everywhere.

>>3413231
>some genius decided to turn revenants into a meme
calling doom_txt

>>3413231
Revenants have been a popular enemy for challenge since Plutonia.

>>3413231

>>3411191
>Plasma gun: quake 4's hyper blaster
Why? It was nothing special, really.

I kind of wish the Revenant shoulder things from PB were equippable with a sidearm.

>>3413224
Could be. Although a lot of these are just badly designed in general. Throwing various enemies at you without supplying any weapons to deal with them is a recurring theme here. Also, D_RUNNIN

DO NOT

discharge your sidearm in the hazardous storage area

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53115

>>3413314
john caromerack looks like a contemplative gorilla

>>3413323
heh reminds me of mbfedit.wad

>>3411191
I swear I'm problably the only one who liked the Quake 2 hyperblaster.

>>3413334
hahaha thats just asking for it...

>>3413340
of course ;) you're meant to shoot the thing to illustrate the effects of the A_Mushroom code pointer.

why the fuck does anyone defend KDiZD, holy shit

>>3413324
>This mod incorporates two core functions: urinate and defecate

let's not give this mod any attention.

>>3413338
The sounds just ruin it.

Seeing it gib strogg was good though.

>Romero's wiki page has a section dedicated to his hair

>>3413338
Loved it. I can still imagine the sounds right now

>>3413360
>The sounds just ruin it.
doomguy with raised eyebrow.jpg

>>3413364
I don't like energy weapons that sound like a toy.

It's also why I don't like the D3 Plasma Rifle even though the design is pretty great.

>>3413371
what does an energy weapon that doesn't sound like a toy sound like? energy weapons aren't real (yet).

>>3413360
>>3413371
But the sound is amazing, really give the feel of a powerful energy weapon, just like the original Plasma Gun. The added sound of the rotating barrel helps, too.

The Quake 3 plasma sounds, now that was weak muted shit, and sadly it carried over to Doom 2016.

>>3413324
>>3413353

>a mod that lets you pee an shit in the doom engine requires the latest gzdoom dev build

mods like these are a mistake
the very concept of dev builds is a mistake
REMOVE dev builds from premises
D E L E T E

>>3413384
don't you know, you always gotta use the newest features for everything even if older methods work just as well and are much better for compatibility

>>3413384
skimming the thread, it seems like the mod actually _breaks_ with the latest dev build.

>>3413324
>Pain Elemental vomits Lost Souls
Okay
This is fucking hiarlious

>>3413375
>what does an energy weapon that doesn't sound like a toy sound like?
This is actually completely irrelevant, if it sounds bad then I don't find it satisfying.

And I think it sounds like a toy, it doesn't matter if it would sound like a "real weapon" because that's just not the point of what makes it feel bad to me.

Take the Doom shotgun for example.
That doesn't sound realistic at all but it doesn't sound bad either.

>>3413378
I don't think it does make it sound powerful.
Rotating barrel sounds fine, but the pew pew pew does not.

I didn't care much for the D4 Plasma Rifle unless it had the heat mod attached to it.

I like the original Doom Plasma Rifle sound.

I'm not usually a fan of energy weapons in games because of sound effects, EDF2025 has some good energy weapon sounds though

>>3413406

I have to agree, that part was pretty cute.

>>3413414
you just have shit taste in sound design

>>3413432
Great counterargument.

It's not like you're in the minority with liking the Hyperblaster or anything.

Oh wait

>Sgt.Mark still hasn't fixed the incompatibility his gore/brutal mods cause in newer GZdoom builds because his dumbass typed (0,l) instead of (0,1) in a line of code

I mean, it's easy to fix it yourself, but the point is, you shouldn't have to do that. When the player downloads a mod, and before he even starts playing it they have to fix a fuck up you made in the code, that's a sign that your mod is badly put together.

>>3413465
If it's so easy to fix why don't you just do it

I'm playing jenesis.wad
Can someone please explain?

>>3413475
I did. But I wish I didn't have to. And the reason I'm angry is because this is a huge pet peeve for me.

>>3413437
You weren't providing an argument, just an opinion. And it seems like you're the only guy who doesn't like the hyperblaster sounds. Original doom plasma gun has that weird upward inflection at the end of each shot. Sounds like a crunchy Atari game sound effect

>>3413465
>>3413484
Why are you even playing it?

>>3413482
i also found that. no idea what it means.

>>3413465
i expect most of his users simply download the whole package and use the bundled version. those who follow the scene, play other mods, and keep up with engine development are comparatively a small minority.

>>3413490
Because despite it's flaws the gore in BD is still good, and I like painting the walls and ceilings red with the blood and intestines of my fallen foes?

>>3413507
Get Ketchup, dude. Same gore. Less Mark IV-isms.

>>3413172
I prefer Doom but quake is cool too. The way I enjoyed it was quakespasm with texture filtering off. The GOG version is easier to get the soundtrack working because it comes with cue files of the OST that you can rip nad put back into the game folder. Not sure if steam gives you those files but you can find the soundtrack easily online

Dev in joke, us plebs will never get it

>>3413508
Hello.
I am dumb.

Script error, "ketchupV5.pk3:decorate.blood.txt" line 545:
Expected ',', got 'l'.

How do.

>>3413628
do you have the newest build?

>>3413628
Open the pk3 with Winrar, open the Blood decorate file, search for (0,l), and replace the "l" with 1, so it becomes (0,1)

>>3413631
No. The 30 of July one.
The latest one is fucked for me for some reason, black screen.

>>3413648

Thanks a ton, man.

>>3413648
don't you mean 0.l and 0.1

zdoom doesn't use commas as decimal points

>>3413675
Yeah, that's what I meant.

>>3413674
No problem

>>3413648
>>3413675

This one, correct?

>>3413684
Yep, that's the one

>>3413684
both of those

i still can't fathom how would you make that mistake in the first place

>>3413684
i didn't know revenants could code

>>3413701

Maybe 0,l was somehow faster for how he typed than 0,1.

Or maybe he read a tutorial of some sort that used 0,l over 0,1 and has taken it to heart.

>Can't use Ketchup and D4D

Fuck.

Does anyone know who made EWEPS.wad? I see it being used for slaughtermaps on Z&/Skulltag since forever, but I just now started wondering where it came from. It uses Dehacked instead of Decorate, so I was wondering if it might have been made for a very old version of Zdoom, or maybe even in the 90's.

>>3413684
Surely that would turn up as soon as he tried to test it?

He does test things out before releasing them r-right?

>>3413781
it only came around in newer zdoom versions, where graf apparently decided to put error messages on everything

>>3413684
Why does this even work in the first place? Why would a program EVER treat l and 1 like the same thing?

>>3413717
duh, they both replace monsters

>>3413783
which is the reason this was discovered in the first place

>>3413482
>>3413494
>he doesn't know about Angry Beavers
your posts are flawed. get out of my face.

>>3413817

That show frustrated the hell out of me. Seeing as it was one of those "Oh they always lose, how wacky!" shows. Always made me feel bad how they got shat on constantly

>>3413820
Norbert was often a prick, but Daggett never did nothing wrong

Which Dev Build doesn't have the missing textures bug?

>>3413823

and that poor spaz got it the worse often.

I feel like that guy's voice actor was at his best in Invader Zimm.

>>3413823
I remember losing my shit at Daggett's long WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOing upon getting hit with something really hard, that shit was gold.

I'm not exaggerating, I could sit there through a whole episode with a straight face and so, but seeing him fly off screen with that sound effect made me fucking lose it every single time.

f.lux is kicking in so I can't see dark anymore. Tried some shadows.

I've got the mechanism for getting inside working, so it's prettying up the outside and then working on in - which will go much faster.

>tfw shitty computer so you cant enjoy Doom 4 Doom at its fullest.

This fucking machine can't even handle a fucking Doom mod fucking kill me.

>>3412079

...
This solved all my "Missing Textures" problems.
God im a fucking dumbass.
Thanks dude.

>>3413920
That shouldn't solve it, that's a legit bug that you should still report.

Literally me.

>>3413902
Try running GZDoom on an oldass Dell that already struggles to run Win 7. Even loading Youtube videos above 720p if not 480p was a chore. Pretty sure I saw the same model if not a similar one in elementary school.

I just stuck with software ZDoom while I was on that piece of crap. Shit was bredy old.

>>3413925
Why did I notice just the shoulder and think that was Giant Robo for a second

>>3413924

It was in Trilinear
I put it in Linear
Everything werks now
I'm on a shitty PC.

>>3413928
why would you install win7 in that in the first place?
i'd stick to winXP or linux

>>3413943
It came preinstalled. Funnily enough I was expecting it to have XP in the first place.

Is memorial for doom 2 playable?


Fuck D4D and Doomero's Zion with Doom:ONE

Barons on the 2nd one instakills you with full HP and armor

A lot of Doom's weapons just clip to straight black but I'm having a Hell of a time getting it quite right. Always too much or too little, no in-betweens.

>>3413314
what if john romero was john carmack?

>>3413902
I can't even run Bioshock at more than 20 frames a second on lowest settings.
>>3413928
Also this

ZDoom looks infinitely better than GZDoom anyway

One's got that nice crisp crunch and the other's like biting into vaseline

oh god can't unsee

>>3414046
It's not really much of a gauntlet anyway.

>>3414039
>What are "filtering options" for 50 armor bonuses?

>>3414046
>>3414047
It's actually correct due to it being multiple lanes instead of a regular "base"

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/MAP03:_The_Gantlet_(Doom_II)

>>3414050
>wikia
>wikiA
no anon, you are not allowed to do that
> http://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP03:_The_Gantlet_(Doom_II)

>>3414049
That's not the only thing that makes it look too smooth in comparison to glorious 256 colours

>>3414039

But i can't look up or down without wanting to kill myself

>>3414062
gl renderer has more than five purples

get rekt

>>3414046

Only thing bad about that map is that it introduced chaingunfaggots.

>>3414058
so what's the deal with the wikia anyway

>>3414110
original maintainer left to make doomwiki.org and wikia refused to remove the old wiki and is now being canniballized by amateurs

or something along those lines, can't remember

>>3414062
yeah, uh, if only it didn't completely shit the bed while looking up and down.

also what the fuck is with the captcha and the italian names and shit what is going on

did google hire linguinis to work on their images or something

>>3414110
>>3414119
and it's full of java bloat and that damn click the ad to continue to external links shit

>>3414123
it's a 2d game you don't have to look up and down, you millennials are spoiled you don't know what retro games are like

>>3413494
>>3413482
I'm going to guess that thing 227 was replaced to make something else.

>>3414127
1. sounds like a browser hijacker on your end my man
2. nah

>>3414127
I can't tell whether you're being serious or not on that last sentence there but I default to calling people fags regardless of the posts' satirical nature, so yeah.

also the fact that you apparently don't know about ublock unlocks a secret double fag derogative. computer updated: acquire a powerful weapon.

>>3414172
no it's wikia

>>3414190
both, it isn't 2d and it's a non-issue since most things aren't far from straight ahead.

javascript disabled or not, it still tries to do it and doomwiki.org doesn't because it's not shit.

could you be a little less presumptuous? you're actually intolerable and unfunny like this and i'm sure you're nice in person

>>3414127
>>3414205
nonissue or not this is zdoom you talk about. the one sourceport known for introducing shit like being able to look up and down, jumping and crouching that were not much later made use of in custom maps. it's pretty much an overstatement that the first two games don't need all that but i still like being able to ocassionally look up and down without feeling like i'm just tilting my eye peripherical view upwards

also pretty ironic of you to call him that considering that one last sentence but yeah its okay, im also pretty sure you're a cool guy to be around irl

>>3413820
Angry Beavers wasn't nearly as harsh as CatDog, though.

>>3414368

Yeah, I hate that show too

>>3414373
I can agree with hating CatDog. Felt like the entire premise was that everyone was out to get them.

Angry Beavers at least usually had their misfortunes their own fault.

i tried trigonometry
i have no idea what i'm doing

>>3413820
Ed Edd n Eddy did that to me. Great show, but I really wanted an episode where the Eds would just beat the shit out of Kevin. Hated that faggot.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53115

ivebeenheretoolong.png

>>3414431
see
>>3413324

what's the best way to play doom 1 on android?

>>3414382
It looks like you're making the omnirocket, anon.

What should I use to set up a Quake 1 (and maybe 2) server? Quake 3 doesn't want to play nice with windows server 2008, so that's out (just wanted to set up Elite Force anyway but fuckit)

Source ports, software, whatever. What's the best/most used/whatever.

>>3414470
EzQuake is basically the only QuakeWorld package you'll ever need.

>Large group of Revenants appear.
>"nah fuck this"
>Bail out and run down a series of winding passages.
>One of their missiles manages to follow me perfectly down them and nail me for max damage when I think I'm safe enough.

>>3414046

I dont get it

>>3414530
it's missing a letter

>>3414543

B-but, it actually used to be writt-

Doesn't matter, I get it now

>>3413705
The very thought of computer-using revs is wrong.
>There may be skeletons posting in this thread.

>>3414574

>>3414574

>>3414574
>>3414582
>>3414584

Sir Minigun Von FUCKHUGE

>>3414593
i hope you can dual-wield these

Dark Forces is fun but damn, this hidden path hiding the blue key was bullshit.
Googling the map name even suggested me "[map name] blue key"

>>3414593
the ejection port leaning towards the area the gun is angled to seems like a bad idea
means whoever's firing is going to get pelted in shells

>>3414593
You know what I want to see?

A sawed-off minigun.
Like, those separators right there. Miniguns are known for spray, so all that extra barrel length just seems like needless weight.

Saw down the barrels to maybe just one separator or so and enjoy the dakka.

>>3413596
Sedlo is/was a prolific speedrunner known for rocket jumps, one of which, in vanilla at least, is required to access that unmarked secret (on map03 i believe).

Alien Vendetta contains a number of such easter eggs paying tribute to the most successful speedrunners, most notably the "Hell of Flame" hidden area in map24 of the second release.

>>3413732
no idea, but i did a search and found this
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/deathmatch/skulltag/mkdoom1
>Other Files By Author : Eweps 1-6

>>3414593
looks bretty rad, friend

>>3414618
i don't see why not

>>3414593
>>3414676
That handle looks incredibly uncomfortable, unwieldy, and flimsy due to the entire weight (and centre of gravity) of the gun being way out front of it. but if you moved it forward to be more balanced the HUD sprite would be blocked by a hand... though at the same time the barrels seem to be cut short on the sprite for some reason.

>>3414676
>>3414691
>though at the same time the barrels seem to be cut short on the sprite for some reason.
I like that, personally. Means more room for a muzzleflash.
Definitely agreeing that the handle seems incredibly flimsy, though, that's really no way to hold a gun.

What's it look like if you moved it forward a bit?

>>3414676
looking good but move the sprite up

i'll keep these in mind, there's still a lot of work to do on it
work i'm doing tomorrow
also positioning and FoV is hard

>>3413707
it's an old school typists' mistake. i mean, really old, "gal in a typing pool in the 1960s" old. mechanical typewriters of that era had no "1" key, instead you were expected to type a lower-case L. mark must have learned to type on a fifty-year-old mechanical typewriter before he could afford a real computer. :)

>>3414574

>>3413807
It didn't. It treated it as "0" because DECORATE is ridiculously forgiving of mistakes to the point where a whole bunch of issues can't really be fixed without breaking things horrible and I'm pretty sure this is why Graf drinks.

>>3414730

>tfw when that millisecond where you aren't sure RTL or LTR

>>3414584

>>3414757
I'm still not sure is it RTL or LTR.

>>3414784
it's right to left
panel 1 staring into mirror
panel 2 feels around for skull
panel 3 looks down
panel 4 imagination spot

>>3414382
>enemies are literally made of rockets

fund it

>>3414786
Thanks

>>3414787

>cyberdemon made of rockets

>instead of shooting them it throws parts of it's own body, can kill them normally or just have them kill themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAX3PX4w2A
GET
DOWN
yureru mawaru fureru setsunai kimochi...

>>3414770
what are some good wads to play with HD?

>make a lot of progress into a level
>come across an archvile while unprepared
This isn't funny anymore.

>>3414904
I believe in you! Perseverance is the number one tool in anyone's bag!

>>3414904
WHRRRRRRRRRRRR
HEHHAHA

>>3414991
>BTSX map10
>5 arch-viles
>fighting 2 at once
I don't remember this wad being so difficult.

>>3413338
I loved it, really conveyed the sound and feel of velocity.

So this:
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=51425&sid=81bccad33ba88dd3034fe28545db5171

plus this:
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53107&sid=81bccad33ba88dd3034fe28545db5171


= DRooL?

I might be overdoing it, but I love overdoing it.

>>3415040
More! More! More!

So this:
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=51425

plus this:
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53107

= DRooL?

>>3415040
>solid surface above another solid surface
Is this even possible?

>>3415046
They are not solids. They are just bunch of middle textures.

>>3415045
auto inducting seizure mod

>>3415046
Could be possible with 3D Floors, otherwise no.

>>3415013
Which episode?

>>3415068
1

>>3415064
Why do so few maps actually utilize true 3d floors? I think every modern sourceport allows for it, but I almost never see it in wads

>>3415069
IIRC, skillsaw dislikes that map, cause he made it before he fully figured out what style of mapping he liked making or something. I wonder if the final release will have it replaced or overhauled

>>3415080
3D Floors are very memory heavy from what I've heard, so too many of them could seriously lag the engine. Also compatibility with older engines that don't support it (yet).

Although I do agree that good use of it could seriously spice up a map in a good way, and it is under appriciated for what it can do.

>>3415080
Most of the good mappers simply prefer making vanilla and boom format maps

What mod has the best energy weapon?
Pew pew guns a best

>>3415080
not every modern sourceport allows for it unless you're defining that as "zdoom-based". and building levels with 3d floors is a pain in the ass since the game's level format is not designed to support it at all.

>>3415114
I hate the sounds and the sprite doesn't fit but the mechanics of Dakka's lightning gun are great.

>>3415080
I'd like to believe it's because monster AI with 3D floors is very stupid.

working on a remake of this wad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgwebBj1ng


it's still not complete but... here some WIP screenshots
http://imgur.com/a/HmH0t

>>3413475
It's a really fucking retarded error though, like, it isn't like a miscalculated state jump or something.

>>3415085
i can't see why, it's a bit sectional but nothing much else wrong with it. prefer that to yet another dodge-missiles-for-10-minutes-then-telefrag-a-cyberdemon effort.

>>3413465
>>3415152
1 and I or l aren't even close to each other on the keyboard, it's like he tried to copy and paste 1 in but fucked up, but why couldn't he just type it in? Didn't he have a hand free?

>>3414091
There's nothing wrong with chaingunners.

Trying to procedurally greeble this even though if I ever use this template for something the greebles won't show up at M_DOOM size and will be replaced with a photo of a circuit board or something.

>>3415163
What program?

>>3415226
Blender, using Blender Renderer and not Cycles.

>>3415230
Ah. I know Maya has a plugin for modeled greeble (never used it). Blender probably has a similar plugin. Might be better than trying to do it in the material. You can always photoshop edit it later too. Just thinking out loud.

Looks good though. Just needs to be exaggerated as is for doom res.

>>3415242
Yeah it didn't work great at Doom res.

Just going to draw on it.

>>3415080

>3D Sloped Floors took forever to line up due to quirks.
>Only upside is you can climb the roof and monsters drop through it when a script activates.

I only use them to cheese detail anymore, really. Especially outdoors. They're not worth the effort otherwise. Monster AI handles them just fine though, except obviously they'll try to stand right under you if you're above them, rather than back up and lob projectiles.

The more floors you try to stack ontop of one another, the more complicated it gets to play with. Which is real fucky if you try to say, put a 3D shelf inside a 3D shed outside under a 3D bridge, but totally possible.

Circuit photos are retro greebles.

Circuit photos are retro greebles.

Never forget the day BE died.

>>3415319
>So many fucking downloads for HDoom

Trying to find a way to make "random" spawning based on x/y position that's the same every time the map is run. This is a picture of a giant room with 65025 health/armor bonuses in it.

>>3415319
Porn > all

>>3415332
looks like a moire effect

>>3415329
>>3415337
sorry you've been had. it's fake.

>>3415345
Sup Jenova

>>3415352
nope, check archives, it was proven fake last time it was posted.

>>3415345
Sorry, here's the real one.

>>3415080
I used them a lot in a Morte and in my Castlevania mod

They're good as long as you stay under 100 or so per map. The silos in pic related caused GZDoom to lag pretty badly (any noticeable lag is bad imo) and so I removed them and replaced them with blander silos that you couldn't climb up. All the buildings use 3d floors though. Its good for simple multi level concrete prefab-like buildings. Also necessary for something like a Castlevania mod where platforming is widespread.

Mapping for Doom64 without the use of 3D floors made things interesting, but I've managed to still do multi level buildings in the latest city map, which I just finished today:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/Doom64EX/index.php?showtopic=143

Its map 5, runs in Doom64EX as usual

>>3415332
Same room with added shells and stimpacks. Can't do much about the thick diagonal line..

How do you remove reloading in Brutal DOOM v20? I can't find the older mutators for v19-18 and the mod-specific options don't let me remove it.
inb4 fuck off, faggot

>>3415406
dont play brutal doom?

>>3415387
>just noticed the dispersion pistol
What is this?

>>3415406

Supposedly, it's a cvar.

>>3415410
An Unreal/Turok tribute gameplay mod I'm working on very slowly through my depression. The dispersion pistol's just a placeholder sprite, and probably will be for a verrrrry long time.

I'm trying this "fixed randomization" stuff out for spawning certain monsters, as I dislike how zdoom's randomspawners can't be seeded.

>>3415387
>>3415387
now load it with a voxels mod

>>3415507
performance measured in seconds per frame

>>3414787
Does anyone have the "Rip and Tear" page that is Raiden fighting Senator Armstrong? I saw it on /v/ once, back when I went there, but I've never seen it reposted since.

>>3415362
I'm surprised it isn't filled with the many tribble-like iterations of Complex Doom, each version adding or changing one tiny thing.

Gates of Anguish
anguish.zip (60 KB, 2004-10-30) - David L. Farrington
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=12934

hell has warped this landing pad / warehouse and made the doors invisible. can you find the exit? hump walls for an hour to find out! if you get near the end it gives you a computer map, but cruelly the actual exit is invisible to it. however, once you have solved it, you realise there's not much you actually need to do - most of the map can be omitted and the exit reached in a minute and a half, without even any tricks.

>>3415708
Looks super flat for a 2004 map too.

>>3415764
aw fuck that is 2004, didn't even notice that

feels like a 96 map

>>3415564

Here you go, buddy.

>>3415764
>>3415769
it's from 1994, but didn't get uploaded to /idgames until years later

>>3415782
the date of the file inside the zip is 1994-07-29. unfortunately the idgames interface only looks at the zip datestamp.

>>3415774
Thanks man, I've been looking for that since forever

This room's pretty safe, it seems.

Man, I might even finish this map on weekend.

Doom 2 Memorial Soundtrack is SHIT

>>3415894
Those pipes look nice.

Getting an error on zdoom.

>Could not create new screen (1920 x 1080): 88760868

This was working fine just the other day and I didn't make any changes. Any idea what's causing this?

>>3415962
rename your ini so it makes a new one, see if that runs at 1920x1080

if so, set everything up again

>>3415906
you're SHIT

This is from what comic? Mad?

>>3415040
looks kind-of Dark Souls

i like it

>>3415387
Maybe this would be better.
>>3415507
Zdoom would probably just crash on startup!

>>3416162
looks like floor tile

>>3415319

I always wanted something like MadWorld as a Mod for Doom. All would be like a black and white comic, with the words like "BLAM" "ZAP" appearing everything you punched someone. The only thing that would have color is the blood.

I love MadWorld so much.

>>3416213

There's always Zero Population Count. I've really meant to play it, but my MacOS9 emulator is borked.

why is unreal never discussed here? i never see it brought up, not even to make fun of it. was the series just that irrelevant before ut99?

>>3416235

Unreal's great.
I want to play it again. I keep forgetting to.

quick redesign to test size/ screen positioning

too much to the side?

>>3416247
>Unreal Tournament 2016: 0.000001 Alpha Version

>>3416249
Looks like the actual game with the rendering resolution turned low

>>3416247
looks bretty damn good, but it makes the gun look much tinier.

still, on the right track. increase the size just a bit and i'd say it's perfect.

>>3416213
I did texture replacement on E1M1 of Doom in a Mad World style to see how cool it would look, but because of the simplistic geometry of the stage it didn't end up looking very good and I scrapped the project. It's a cool idea, it just didn't look very good.

>>3416247
Screen position is perfect. Size, a little small.
I think it'll be good with a little embiggening.

>>3416247
>gun not centered
2 / 10

>>3416252

Oh man. Oh man, do you have a picture? Anything? I would love to see that.

>>3416247
Change FOV to squish it z axis a bit

>>3416162
its fucking art.

Now to the mandelbrot fractal

What made Doom explode into a cultural phenomenon while Wolfenstein's reception was lukewarm?

Was it just pushing the edgeometer?

>>3416289
killing nazis is a wholesome american pastime

killing demons somehow encourages satanism or something?

I never understood the why of it