/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3380790
its more 'spensive tho

psx was the poorfag's console which is why so many /vr/ fags had it

>>3380793
*Oh, PSX was also the loner's console, and we all know most of /vr/ didn't have friends kek

>>3380796
ebin
PSX is a poorfag and poorfag's friends console.

>he didn't own both plus a PC as a kid
We used to laugh at poorfags like you. Now it's just sad.

lol
op even created a thread pretending to be russian
make a latin american thread, op. say how you loved the ps because you could pirate all the games

>>3380790
>32 MB vs. 650 MB
Gee, tough decision.

>>3380828
Russians love to pirate too.

i remember wanting a sega saturn over a playstation or an N64 because i thought the logo was cool and i fancied myself a junior contrarian in the making

fortunately, my family was so poor we couldn't afford either of these consoles

;_;

>>3380790
>not get each of them for Christmas in successive years

must suck to have shitty parents

LOL
I had PSX cuz it was $100 when i bought it in '99 or so.
Really wanted 64 but it was more expensive.
Was super jealous of friends who had one because their house was the cool place to play Goldeneye and Super Smash

>>3381128

This. I had a PS1 but friday nights vidya parties with friends was all about dat N64.

games vs no games

Nothing actually uses the 64-bit mode in the N64's CPU though.

N64 if you wanted great 3D games.

Saturn if you wanted great 2D games.

PSX if you were a poorfag and had to settle for a system which could do mediocre 2D and horrible 3D.

>>3381231

Segata is always right

N64 has no gaems.

>>3381238
Sonypony pls.

>>3381238
Nice try faggot.

>>3381231
This post is pretty on the nose it hurts.

>>3381194
Why are you pitting the PS1 against its 3rd incarnation anon?

>>3381358

>N64
Smaller library but the first- and second-party titles were top notch and often revolutionary for the time.
>PS1
Had a few excellent titles and many decent-good titles, and of course a bigger library, though a high percentage of it is shovelware.

>>3381231
To be fair, the PSX was the 5th gen system to own if you liked RPGs, and it had the best overall library of the 5th gen consoles.

But otherwise I agree.

>>3380790
Sega Saturn > PlayStation > N64

>>3381368
>To be fair, the PSX was the 5th gen system to own if you liked RPGs, and it had the best overall library of the 5th gen consoles.

It was also the console to own if you liked fighting games

>Tekken
>Capcom
>SNK

Yeah, N64 was a no go if you were a fighting game fan as well....

N64 didn't beat it's rivals in any single genre other than maybe platforming, but even still PSX offerred more....I'm not gonna argue against Nintendo fuckers that Mario 64 wasn't the best even though I don't personally think so, but even if it were I'd take the variety on Sony over the one or two big ones they had

>>3381504
>playing Capcom/SNK fighters on Playstation

lmfao

>>3381504
>Crap VF ripoff
>Awful Capcom ports, get Saturn
>Awful SNK ports, get Neo Geo

>>3381474
You mean Sony Playstation?

>>3380790
sega saturn.

>>3381231
saturn had some really good 3d games.
Burning Rangers.
Panzer dragoon saga
Shining force 3 trilogy.
I admit not a whole lot of them.

>>3381368
Playstation had the most RPGs yeah, and also the best sports games and the most 3d platformers and 3d fighters.

Saturn had the best 2d games and 2d arcade ports, as well as all the Sega 3d arcade ports.

N64 had Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon - as always. Plus a bunch of nice games from Rare, and the best Star Wars console titles from the time.

>>3381557
Burning Rangers was good for all 5 minutes, then you notice that the scenery is shaking like cardboard, the camera is crap, and the controls are annoying.

that is not to say that you are missing out on much, since the game has what, 5 levels total?

What are some good games for the Sega Saturn? When I look at a list of games none of them seem particularly interesting over the psx library.

>>3381595
What sorts of games do you like? The Saturn has a lot to offer and the library is generally better than the Playstation X.

>>3381609
I'm open to most genres of games, but I mostly play rpgs. I'm also a fan of platformers, shooters, (either top down or first person) and some strategy games.

It seems like there are quite a bit of racing and fighting games, and I'm not averse to those, but they aren't really games I could get into compared to more story based games for the system.

>>3381619
Well, I don't play RPGs much, as I prefer games with gameplay, but there a few good ones on the Saturn. Shining the Holy Ark, Tactics Ogre, Cyber Doll, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, Albert Odyssey, SMT Devil Summoner Soul Hackers.
There are some good platformers, like Keio Flying Squadron 2, Clockwork Knight 1 and 2, Bug, Mega Man, Mr Bones.
There are also lots of great shooters, especially shmups, and a few good strategy games. The best strength of the Saturn was the great conversions from arcades.

>>3380790
>64bit
>only has 32bit bus

>>3380790
I'm sorry you or your parents could never afford both of them. Arguing about which game is better didn't make your parents and school mates love you two decades ago and it sure isn't going to work now. Please, just let it go for all of our sakes.

>>3381645
Why is there always some kid in these threads talking about his parents? Most of us weren't kids in the Saturn generation.

>>3381609
>The Saturn has a lot to offer and the library is generally better than the Playstation
False flag. I'm a HUGE Saturn fanboy and even I don't believe this.

>>3381634
It was internally fully 64 bit.

>>3381689
Did you know that people can have opinions that differ to yours? I like the Saturn library a lot better than the Playstation X library. Deal with it.

>>3381646
Probably because console wars are for kids, so it's a relevant subject.

>>3380790
>>32-bit vs. 64-bit
>Gee, tough decision.
You are right this is a no-brainer. Do the fucking math.

>>3380790
>implying N64 games ever ran in 64-bit mode.
All of your favourite N64 games are 32-bit games. Put that in your perspective and smoke it!

>>3381715
Yeah, that's fine. No problem. But when someone says the Saturn library is better than the PS1's that goes from being an opinion to being objectively wrong.

ps1 had better games, n64 just had mario, zelda, and goldeneye

>>3381758
No, the Saturn library is definitely better.

>>3381779
0/10 bait

>>3381779
i bet you vote third party too

>>3381508
>>3381512
>playing fighting games on anything but the arcade original
lmao

>>3381779
Look at this special contrarian snowflake. ;^)

>>3381801
>>3381823
>>3381807
Why do Sony Bronys think their console is God's gift to gaming?

>own PS1 (its not called PSX you fucking idiots) since childhood
>0 games worth remembering
>0 nostalgiafag material


unless you're a huge JRPG autist there's really nothing noteworthy for the PS1. second most forgettable console next to the PS2

oh hi, what's going on in this thre...

>>3381779
I agree with you.
People seem to forget the JP library when talking about the saturn, which is where it really shines

>>3381556
CAN YOU FEEL THE SUNSHINE
DOES IT BRIGHTEN UP YOUR DAY

>>3381861
>>3381779
Can confirm, went to superpotato yesterday, was fucking shocked at how well the saturn did over here, as well as the dreamcast.

Not sure why sega didn't continue to release consoles in Nipland only, they weren't doing that badly from what I can see.

>>3381854
Youre an idiot or a troll.

>>3381708
I fully internally-ed your mom 64 bits if you sniff my drift.

>>3380828
Ps games were too expensive here nigga, I had no choice.

Have you fags already gotten bored arguing about SNES vs Genesis/Megadrive or is there some other reason behind the ever increasing PS vs N64 shitposting on /vr/?

>>3382054
Theory 1: N64 textures vs PS1 textures gif, as well as Pannenkoek2012, and DEEPEST LORE threads are triggering a primal territorial retaliation in Sony fans.
Theory 2: PS1 kids have been browsing /v/ for 4 years, but N64 kids who owned it in its prime, 1998, only now are able to browse /v/ legally.
Theory 3: As PS1 ever increasingly ages, its lack of contributions to this industry becomes more and more evident.

N64 was better. We just want justice, but we'll take revenge.

>>3381741
Don't say that! A handful of games used 64-bit instructions, that's all that matters!

>>3382193
>N64 textures vs PS1 textures gif
That one image that only digs into surface-level interpretations of the two console's graphical capabilities? And still isn't even that accurate on top of that? Yeah, we're SO angry about that shit :-)

>as well as Pannenkoek2012, and DEEPEST LORE threads
pic related

>N64 was better.
In terms of nostalgia yes, but looking at it from an objective standpoint, yeah.. the PS1 stands strong at that front.

>As PS1 ever increasingly ages, its lack of contributions to this industry becomes more and more evident.
So the fact that it actually managed to standardize optical media in a proper manner (and introducing a more simpler and cheaper production method), along with being supported by a company with policies that doesn't treat their third-parties like trash not "contributions" suddenly?

>>3382287
>So the fact that it actually managed to standardize optical media in a proper manner

By making you place the PS1 upside-down in order to read discs?

I remember playing all the adult games on PS. They were dark , gritty and reflected real life. Ioved the RPGs. We had Metal Gear, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy. Then I saw my friends playing their cartoony Super Mario Racer and crappy looking Metroid Prime.

No wonder Nintendont fans have inferiority complexes.

>>3382287
>standardize a-buncha-bullshit-that-means-nothing-to-me-as-gamer
Huh?
>along with being supported by a company with policies that doesn't treat their third-parties like trash
"But it’s not just the players. Hollis argues that Nintendo also respects the creators, even when it might be financially detrimental. Apparently, Rare was asked if it would consider making a game based on the next James Bond film, but the studio turned it down. “I thought about this and was not sure I’d really want to,” said Hollis. “We had a small chat, three or four of us on the team. It was like, ‘No’. We sent the message back, ‘The answer is no. We don’t plan to make another Bond game from another Bond film’. And that was it.”
Years later, Hollis still seems surprised at how easily Nintendo accepted their refusal. “It must have grossed, I don’t know, $400m or something. You might’ve thought that on a commercial basis someone at Nintendo, even lower down or higher up or whatever, would’ve said, “Well, are you sure?”, but out of respect for the creator and the importance of the people who actually made the game, that was it.” Instead of making another James Bond game, Hollis moved on to work on Perfect Dark
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/26/goldeneye-james-bond-n64-nintendo-shigeru-miyamoto-gamecity

Also, see pic. I don't know how factual it is, but at least this account from /v/ says Sony treated everyone like trash, and I know that's where your source for "Nintendo dogging on third-parties" comes from. So... it's your word against Rareware.

>>3380793
Oh fuck off. I had an n64 and was jealous as fuck of how many awesome games it had when I had to be stuck with those expensive ass carts and not to mention the games were boring and blurry as fuck. When I got my chipped ps1 my n64 never saw the light of the day again. Piece of shit only mario 64 was worth the damn console

>>3380790
Had both growing up. Ps1 wins hands down for better games.

>>3382305
>>3382320

Can I try? Can I try?

I remember playing all the adult games on N64. They were dark , gritty and reflected real life. Ioved the shooters. We had Perfect Dark, Duke Nukem Zero Hour, Battle Tanx. Then I saw my friends playing their cartoony Super Crash Racer and crappy looking Final Fantasy X.

No wonder Sionyggers fans have inferiority complexes.

Oh fuck off. I had a ps1 and was jealous as fuck of how many awesome games it had when I had to be stuck with those fragile ass CDs and not to mention the games were boring and wobbly as fuck. When I got my n64 my ps1 never saw the light of the day again. Piece of shit only metal giar was worth the damn console

>>3382338
>stooping to his level


Get out NDF.

>>3382341

Come on, I don't even think these other guys were serious either.

Both consoles had great games, no need to be either nintendrone or sonygger.

>>3381861
Yeah... the thing is, you didn't have to look that far to find good games in the N64 and PS1's libraries. And seeing as most Japanese-exclusive games tend to be over-hyped loads of mediocrity, I'm pretty sure the JP section of the Saturn's library isn't all that great.

>>3381559
>Playstation
>best platformers
On what planet? Nintendo is, and always has been, the platformer king.

>>3382363

Some people have strong nostalgia for western stuff like Crash, Banjo-Kazooie or Spyro.

Super Mario 64 and Jumping Flash are the kings of 5th gen 3D platforming.

The nintendo sixty fooooooooooouuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr

It is the only console I bought at launch. It is the only console I sold before the end of a generation.
What a disappointment. I had a SNES with over 25 cartridges and I sold it all because of it. The cartridges still had their plastic dust sleeve plastic cover.

It's not a bad console if it's your first one and you're like 10 years old.

Nintendo six to four good games

All you faggots lose, got FMV 8 player? Fuck the FZ1 and its fall-apart glory.

>>3382314
>standardize a-buncha-bullshit-that-means-nothing-to-me-as-gamer
If "made games more affordable and spacious to put in more content" truly meant nothing to a gamer I guess, 'specially the former..

>Also, see pic. I don't know how factual it is, but at least this account from /v/ says Sony treated everyone like trash
So Sony got a little jealous that Naughty Dog put out a more technically impressive product? Nothing much really, especially since they've actually came to embrace it later on (otherwise all that wacky Jap shit like the music video would've never happened).

> and I know that's where your source for "Nintendo dogging on third-parties" comes from.
So I pulled out a well-documented Nintendo issue from some shitheads on /v/. That board is my only source on the matter, okay..

http://operationrainfall.com/2013/05/16/why-do-third-parties-hate-nintendo/

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/15/nintendo-and-the-third-party-problem-readers-feature-5062671/

https://books.google.com/books?id=0vc2DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=Nintendo+Masaya+Nakamura&source=bl&ots=_vauUIHV-c&sig=Z-GJAYeVEwV1Z7WPJBpSzrKAZ3o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpiILB4IzOAhWDHx4KHfMvAXMQ6AEIKzAC#v=onepage&q=Nintendo%20Masaya%20Nakamura&f=false

https://web.archive.org/web/20150509184630/http://www.geekcomix.com/vgh/fourth/nesbad.shtml


>So... it's your word against Rareware.
And it's yours against Nakamura, and almost any other 3rd party dev who worked on the NES/SNES.

>>3382297
I'm sorry you were stuck with the 1001 mang.

>>3382369
N64 has Conker, Silicon Valley, Rocket, Bomberman Hero, and Mystical Ninja, all of which shit on any PSX platformer.

>>3382423
>I'm sorry you were stuck with the 1001 mang.

Don't worry, eventually the PS2 released and.. it still got a lot of disc read errors. Fuck Sony.

>>3382429
Why didn't you get a later, not faulty model or a slim then dude? Hell I managed to fix mines just by cleaning the internal laser.

>>3382369
>Some people have strong nostalgia for western stuff like Crash, Banjo-Kazooie or Spyro.
Because they either managed to (somewhat) do their own thing to help them stand out from the rest of the competition (in the case of Crash) or they did some tweaks to the formula of a game that helped spawn a new subgenre (such as with B-K or Spyro).

>N64 has Conker, Silicon Valley, Rocket, Bomberman Hero, and Mystical Ninja, all of which shit on any PSX platformer.
From a technical standpoint maybe, but from a gameplay standpoint..

>>3381231
Please refrain from using Segata's pic in console war threads or any exercise for shitposting.

And to spout wrong/inaccurate opinions.

>>3382470
>Why didn't you get a later, not faulty model or a slim then dude?

Because I don't buy more consoles if they get broken, dude, fuck them. Also it's not that it got broken, it still worked (kinda), but I had to put the console upside-down

>From a technical standpoint maybe, but from a gameplay standpoint..

What do you have to say against the gameplay of Bomberman Hero or Mystical Ninja?

>>3382193
>N64 textures vs PS1 textures gif
/r/ing this.

>>3381231
N64 if you wanted 4 games.

Saturn if you wanted none.

PSX if you wanted a metric fuckton

>>3382779
>N64 if you wanted 4-player games.

>Saturn if you lived in Asia.

PSX if you wanted a metric fuckton of shovelware

ftfy

>>3382767
It's just a troll pic with n^something gaussian interpolation for the N64 and a funny "now loading" screen for the PS1 which then changes to a wobbling nearest neighboured texture which doesn't even make sense because it isn't even moving.

>>3382779
>Sonydrones get this triggered that Playstation X was the worst system during gen 5

>>3382863
If you're shitposting, that means you aren't playing sega saturn!

>>3382875
I'm shitposting from the Sega Saturn's web browser, Mr. Sanshiro.

>>3380790
64 bit of shit games
Or 32 bit of quality games
Tough decision.

>>3382425
Those are all terrible compared to the PSone platformers.

>>3382863
>Sega Saturn
No one had that back then. N64 was also seen as cheap and gimmicky. Everyone had the PSone.

>>3382930
The only one that comes close perhaps is Spyro, but the level design in that is seriously lacking.

>>3382934
>N64 was cheap
Cartridges cost more than discs, though. Also PSX was the cheapest system that gen, only $200 at launch. Great for poorfag casuals, bad for true gamers that wanted something more.

>>3382936
Crash and Rayman were far superior in gameplay. No one cared about "level design" as a kid. It was about fun. Stop posing you snob.

>>3382937
And everyone had PSone because of games. Why pay more for shit? Mind you, the N64 was seen as some colorful plastic shitbox with subpar Nintendo exclusives.

>>3382937
>bad for true gamers
>true gamers

>>3382941
>Poochy
Le momentumless platforming.

>Rayman
Rayman 2 was also on the N64.

> No one cared about "level design" as a kid. It was about fun. Stop posing you snob.
Just because this is a retro board doesn't mean you have to act out your childhood mentality when posting.

>>3382946
Nah, N64 was seen as the console with the most advanced hardware at the time and built-in support for 4-player gaming, making it very popular for people who actually had friends.

>>3382879
That still doesn't sound like PLAYING a damn Sega Saturn.

>>3382937
what? n64 was the cheapest.

>>3381006
>5 minute loading times vs. instant loading
Gee, tough decision.

>>3382964
them true mario playas riding green shells and yahooing to another dimension

>>3382984
Nope. It was $199.99 at launch, but since it launched 2 years after the PSX, inflation means that the N64 was more expensive to purchase than the PSX. Also N64 games on average cost $10-$20 more than PSX games.

>>3382964
True gamers in this case refers to people that care about good gameplay over cheap flashy bullshit like FMV's.

>>3382986
3500kb (sum of all the PS1's addressable RAM) divided by 300kb/sec disc access apparently = 300

Gonna work on that math, son

>>3382989
nope
if anything, money devalues with time. not the other way around.

So many underaged here that didn't actually live through N64's 6+ month droughts of anything above mediocre.
>bububu Acclaim's shovelware filled the gap

n64 was nothing more than a party system and 2-3 decent solo games a year. It had slightly more relevancy to gaming back then than Wii U does now.

Oh, and make that 1-2 games if you didn't give a shit about all the horribly designed, boring 3D collectathons that rolled off the N64 conveyor belt in that era

>>3380790
i go with 128bit ps2

>>3383007
Of course it devalues, you retard. The N64 actually costs $211, compared to $199 in 1994 money. It's more expensive.

>>3383019
and the ps was 300 bucks in 94, equivalent to over 400 bucks today

>>3381818
Um, Neo Geo is the arcade original hardware...

>you should rate consoles based on hardware
gee, what a casualfag.

>>3381231
N64 if you were a fedora faggot and wanted no games.

Saturn if you were a contrarian special snowflake faggot (and wanted no games)

PSX if you were a well adjusted individual and wanted a massive amount of games.

fixed that for you, neckbeard.

The 5th Generation, AKA PURE DEPRESSION

damn, guys. I was just looking the top 10 sellers of the n64 and playstation and the conclusion I arrived is the following.

It's like the Paraolympics, you may win a medal but by the end of the day you're still missing an arm or a leg.

>>3381556
I am sorry for your abusve and deprived childhood.

>>3383008
>Oh, and make that 1-2 games if you didn't give a shit about all the horribly designed, boring 3D collectathons that rolled off the N64 conveyor belt in that era

Actually it was the exact opposite. Most games get by with only a few original or unique ideas, 3D collectathons have to have them all the time. The reason the genre died out is because it lacked a method of putting in filler like random NPCs and spreadsheet simulators, they demanded too much good design.

>>3383073
Gonna disagree hard on that one. I was playing n64/ps1/pc in the 5th gen. I think the mid to late 90's (97 and 98 especially) were some of the best years in gaming. There was so much good stuff coming out then. The 6th gen and the early 2000's was a much darker time for video games in my opinion.

>>3383008

N64 got a game with Reiko on the cover, though.

Seriously though, you sound like you're full of hate and vitriol for the N64. Calm down, try being an idort, it feels good.

>>3383008
>It had slightly more relevancy to gaming back then than Wii U does now
In Australia maybe.

The rest of your post is verifiably false.

>not having both
Who is the real poorfag?

Friendly reminder that console wars threads should be nuked.

>>3383150
I'll grant they might have been labor intensive to create. I'm not sure that's why they died though. That's probably more on the ridiculous saturation of them during that time period. Plus pubs did and do a lot of market research. Maybe it showed people got sick of the skinner box element in them.

If anything the popular sixth gen 3D platformers had relatively higher budgets and bigger teams since the advancing hardware and emphasis more on cinematic aesthetics. They just didn't (or couldn't because of linearity) utilize the Rare tropes like "collect 50 granny smith apples, 80 mangoes, a dozen watermelon, five cartons of V8 Tomato Juice and 100 elderberries"

Either way, they're not my bag. That's all I meant by shit design. I don't deny they filled a niche and other people liked them, though. I wish platformers that gen were more arcade games like Monkey Ball 1&2 than ginormous asset tours with padded content and janky ass, unwieldy levels since devs had no experience designing in 3D space and it showed

>>3381556
Poor Sega Saturn. It had so many opportunities to not fail, but the real nail in the coffin was Sega fucking up its US launch. It was a successful system in Japan so there's no reason it shouldn't have been able to succeed in the US, except that Sega of Japan was pretty much hellbent of making sure everything leading up to its launch was a disaster.

I was an U.S. embassy kid rich fag living in Japan during the Saturn/PS1/N64 era and had all 3 systems. General consensus among Japanese junior high school population of non-faggot arcade gamers.

First half of the generation: Saturn > PS1 >>> N64.

Ending years of the generation: PS1>Saturn>N64.

N64 was and is a console for casual faggots as seen by the most well regarded games for it being piss easy, zero depth "muh 3D world" experiences. It's a console for girls and elementary school kids who cry at anything resembling a challenge.

>>3384194

I refuse to believe you are over 20 and use words like "casual" or "hardcore" unironically.

>>3384194

Japan here.

We usually hate foreigners, especially if they are stubborn assholes like you probably are, if it's true you are a rich kid from the U.S. embassy.

So probably kids in your school were just fucking with you.

General consensus in Japan is that video games are cool, we have no console wars like you guys had in the west.

>>3384208
> So probably kids in your school were just fucking with you.

Nope, that's how it was.

Saturn was seen as the hardcore arcade gamer console. Sony was the new guy. The Saturn sold extremely well in Japan for the first couple of years and nearly matched or outsold the PS1 in software sales for quite a while.

The N64 was seen as dog piss casual console which can easily be seen by its sales figures in Japan (it sold worse than the PS1 and Saturn).

>>3384225

So you're saying most of Japan is composed of hardcore arcade gamers?
I'd think Saturn and PS1 sold well because JRPGs and visual novels, more than anything else.

You're a tool for using words like "casual" and "hardcore" unironically, still.

>>3384225

I meant they were fucking with you making you believe we cared about console wars, like westerners do.

It's a cultural thing.

>>3384225

I don't know how it was in Japan, but PS1 also has its share of casual games (in fact, it probably has the most), and N64 has some of the hardest games of the generation. Not to say PS1 and Saturn didn't either, but claiming all N64 were "cashul babby games" only puts yourself on a shitposting position that can't be taken seriously.

>>3384228
>You're a tool for using words like "casual" and "hardcore"

It's an accurate use of words that people understand. Sorry you're too cool for the internet.

> So you're saying most of Japan is composed of hardcore arcade gamers?

Where in the fuck did I say anything of the sort? Go learn how to read.

No Japan isn't composed of mainly hardcore arcade gamers but I could honestly give a fuck about the opinions of casual gaming school girls. Among people's opinions I actually value the Saturn and PS1 were seen as comparable consoles. The N64 was seen as a turd.

And yes PS1 and Saturn sales were definitely helped by lots of anime bullshit.

>>3384234
> I meant they were fucking with you making you believe we cared about console wars, like westerners do.

Where did I say shit about a console war? I gave the general consensus in Japan during the time.

>>3384249
>Where in the fuck did I say anything of the sort? Go learn how to read.

By the way you were expressing your opinions, it seemed as if you thought the reason PS1 and Saturn sold well was because of "hardcore arcade players"

Anyway, you're a total tool.
Probably nearing your 30s and still caring about "hardcore" and "casual" shenanigans like a teenager from /v/.

>>3384238
> N64 has some of the hardest games of the generation.

Nope.

>>3384249
>Where did I say shit about a console war?

Look at this thread's OP image. You're on a console war thread.

>I gave the general consensus in Japan during the time.

From the point of view of a gaijin who was probably made fun of by other Japanese students.
Nobody hated the N64 in Japan. We don't really develop emotions toward machines. The only system that gets special treatment is the Famicom because of its cultural impact, but in general we just enjoy video games and don't engage in useless arguments about "which company/console is better"

>>3384259

Yup.

>>3383296
Interestingly, N64 did very well in Australia relatively speaking.

When PS1 hit 1 million AU consoles sold the N64 was at 600 000, that's not even 2:1.

Another interesting fact is the PS1 actually sold 33 million consoles (one third) AFTER the PS2 was released. So the real reason the PS1 had so much success selling consoles was Sony were able to sell lots of them to poorer third world countries in the 00s.

>>3384265
>Another interesting fact is the PS1 actually sold 33 million consoles (one third) AFTER the PS2 was released. So the real reason the PS1 had so much success selling consoles was Sony were able to sell lots of them to poorer third world countries in the 00s.

Another thing is that early models broke easily, I know a lot of people who went through at least 2 or 3 PS1s.
But since bootleg games were so ridiculously cheap, it wasn't a big problem.

>>3384256
>By the way you were expressing your opinions, it seemed as if you thought the reason PS1 and Saturn sold well was because of "hardcore arcade players"

It helped but that doesn't remotely translate to "all of Japan = hardcore arcade gamers". Hell my first post explicitly states I ignored casual gamers and was only speaking of the opinions of the more "hardcore" arcade going crowd.

> Anyway, you're a total tool.

Of course I am. I mentioned something about arcades and provided accurate information on the sentiment of Japan at the time (that is also backed up by sales data). Anyone on /b/ who takes competitive games seriously and who doesn't gush over casual easy mode BS because "muh story" is seen as a tool.

So yeah, I'm a huge tool. Still doesn't change the fact that Japan thought the N64 sucked balls.

>>3384263
> Yup.

To casual faggots who've never 1CC'd any arcade game or had any significantly good score in anything of note yes I'm sure your "hard" N64 games seemed special.

>>3384272
>provided accurate information on the sentiment of Japan at the time

You provided a fantasy of your own head.

>that is also backed up by sales data

That just means the N64 lacked JRPGs like Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy, doesn't mean Japan actually thought the console sucked or is a "piss dog bubby babby casual piece of shieeetttt". Japan isn't as passionate as westerners are when talking hardware or video games. They either like them or not, but they don't make a big fuzz out of it as if it were politics.

>>3384274

Show me your WRs, hardcore boy.

>>3384261
> Nobody hated the N64 in Japan. We don't really develop emotions toward machines. The only system that gets special treatment is the Famicom because of its cultural impact, but in general we just enjoy video games and don't engage in useless arguments about "which company/console is better"

Confirmed for not knowing shit about Japanese teenagers and being some basement NEET pretending to be Japanese. Japanese teens shit on things just as hard as anyone else, hell if not worse.

>>3384280


Not him but check 2chan's geemu board. There is no console war there, it's all on-topic.

It's shocking when you see the difference between them, and /v/ or even /vr/, or any other western video game board, which are always surrounded by flame wars and corporate dick-sucking.

There's also the fact japanese never did aggressive ad campaigns, there was no "sega does what nintendon't" stuff in Japan. The closest it got was Segata Sanshiro and the hint that, maybe, the "evil company" that killed him was Sony, but it was all very vague and they never really addressed Sony directly. In the US, we got a NiGHTS commercial with a guy throwing a PS1 down a skyscraper.

I think there is some truth to it, japanese people seem to be different in that regard to westerners. Not saying they are better or don't shit on things, but from the looks of it, they don't care as much as we westerners do.

>>3384280

Japanese teens shit on many things, such as westerners who think they're hot shit but in reality are assholes.

>>3384272
>Japan thought the N64 sucked balls.

Actually I've heard this is more because the Japanese are very conservative when it comes to gaming, and the N64 basically threw down the gauntlet and fully embraced 3D gameplay.

That's one of the reasons we've gone from Super Mario 64 to Super Mario Galaxy to Super Mario 3D World - Nintendo have essentially been gradually trying to arcadify the series for Japanese players.

>>3384292

Japan loved Super Mario 64, though. There's a lot of meta stuff on SM64's gameplay that was first brought up by japanese players.

The reason N64 didn't sold like hotcakes was because of what this anon said:
>>3384276
>N64 lacked JRPGs like Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy

>>3384298
> Japan loved Super Mario 64, though.

Super Mario 64, one of the most hyped games of all time and which should have had huge mass market appeal, only BARELY outsold Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn (1.8 to 1.7 million). The most beloved video game mascot of all time and it barely outsells a highly technical and much more niche genre 3D fighter in it's home land.

My impression from the West is Mario 64 was the end all be all game when it came out. In Japan at the time Mario was definitely a big game but it was no bigger than many other games at the time.

My impression at the time was that Virtua Fighter was a bigger deal than Mario 64 was and when you think of the combined sales of arcade plus console there is little question this was the case. From my understanding of the Western perspective of the time Virtua Fighter was considered a good game but wasn't even considered in the same category of hype.

>>3384337
>only BARELY outsold Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn (1.8 to 1.7 million)

That's not a small feat. Japan loves VF and yes, VF2 was the most sold game on the Saturn if I'm not misaken.

If it sold more than VF2, it means they liked it.
Probably what they didn't care too much about are games like Goldeneye, for example.

>>3384337
Since the saturn outsold the n64 in japan, it makes sense

>>3381116
Must suck to be an entitled shit

>>3384298
>Japan loved Super Mario 64, though

On an absolute level, I guess it had pretty good sales. But relatively speaking, it was very disappointing for Nintendo.

Fairly sure Miyamoto himself is on record saying that Japanese gamers didn't "get" Mario 64 and that's why the N64 didn't sell very well in Japan.

>>3384348
>>3384352

Actually it's worse when you to consider the lack of the N64's game library. Saturn and PS1 owners had a huge Japanese library (Saturn had nearly 1,300 games in Japan) to disperse sales across. This is especially true with fighting games as the Saturn had a huge list of amazing fighting games. N64 owners had a fraction of the game selection with Mario 64 being one of the few notable games for damn near a whole year and yet Japanese N64 owners still didn't buy into it all that hard. In comparison in West I think Mario 64 damn near sold at a 1:2 ratio to the N64.

>>3382780
>Saturn if you lived in Asia

Well considering that the majority of people live in Asia...

>>3384559
Isnt Africa the biggest continent?

>>3380790
I had a PlayStation because we could get pirated games for it. My rich cousin had an N64 and a large TV.

I used to dream about having a N64 as games like Mario Kart 64, Smash Bros, Goldeneye and Turok looked so cool.

Plus my cousin rarely ever let me play on it when I was over at their house.

Some years later I managed to convince my parents to buy one for me w/Pokemon stadium. However, because we were poor, that was the only game I ever had for the n64.

When I became an adult however, things got a lot better, I eventually bought an everdrive 64 but I have quite a lot of n64 cartridges. I even play Mario Kart 64 on some friday nights like I used to dream about doing when I was a child.

>>3384568
It's hard to "live" in Africa

>>3381231
This post is so fucking right dude. The ps1 is the literal tumblr/facebook meme normie shit "liek if u remember thiiss xD"
Also the Ps1 is full of inferior rpg´s compared to the rpgs on the snes.

>>3384703
>The ps1 is the literal tumblr/facebook meme normie shit "liek if u remember thiiss xD"

That's both N64 and PS1, both consoles were popular in the 90s.

Saturn is the hipster choice.

>Also the Ps1 is full of inferior rpg´s compared to the rpgs on the snes.

It has a lot of great RPGs, although yeah some of the sequels from SNES titles weren't as good. Some others, like Suikoden II, are great though.
I will concede that playing RPGs on PS1 sucked because of loading times though.

>>3381774
xD

>>3382925
>PS1 QUALITY
>MEMECRASH
>MEME RPG WITH SHITTY CUTSCENES
>LOADING TIMES
>CLUNKY AS FUK CONTROLS

LOL NO.

>>3383008
>Le I hate nintendo 64 meme.
>giving a fuck of what happened in 1996

Fuck off sonygger. n64 was groundbreaking.

>>3383045
>ps1 for the well adjusted individual

Fuck off for a moment please, that console was full of shovelware and also it was for the poor retarded people like you.

>>3384337
Saturn fags really believe this. Incredible.
The n64 was expensive dude, that was the problem.
No one talks about virtua fighter now, it didn´t have any impact. Soul calibur is a better example than this.
Super mario 64 is one of the best games ever made and one of the reasons that made the life of the n64 longer than it should.

>>3384719
>>3384726
>>3384738
>>3384748
You know you can just use multiple quotes instead of bumping this stupid thread all the time.

>>3384748
>>3384738
>>3384726
stop embarrassing yourself, nintenigger.

>>3384651
Also, Africa isnt as big as Asia.

>>3384754
>The n64 was expensive dude, that was the problem.

In Japan the N64 was roughly $150 cheaper than the Saturn. It was literally the cheapest console of that generation.

> No one talks about virtua fighter now, it didn´t have any impact.

It was literally THE game that completely shifted the market and showed gaming companies around the world that true polygon rendered gaming (instead of 2D ray tracing "fake" 3D) was the future.

"Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) staff involved in the creation of the original PlayStation video game console credit Virtua Fighter as inspiration for the PlayStation's 3D graphics hardware. According to SCE's Shigeo Maruyama, the PlayStation was originally being considered as a 2D-focused hardware, and it was not until the release of Virtua Fighter that they decided to design the PlayStation as a 3D-focused hardware."

< Literally responsible for the console jump to 3D.
< "No impact."

>>3384754
>No one talks about virtua fighter now, it didn´t have any impact.

Only impressionable kids who cling to Plebkken and Tits or Alive believe this.

>>3381231
>Saturn if you wanted great 2D games.

Yeah, all two of them.

>>3384913
Most DOA fanboys respect VF from what I've seen.

>>3380790
PC.

>>3384931
> Yeah, all two of them.

Street Fighter Zero II
Zero III
Xmen vs Street Fighter
Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
Vampire Savior
Half a dozen NeoGeo ports that were the best way to play SNK fighters unless you wanted to drop $150 per game for AES cartridges plus $600 for the NeoGeo itself.
Asuka 120% Burning Fest Limited

Battle Garegga
Gunbird
Rayforce
Raystorm
Radiant Silvergun
Gokujyou Parodius Da
Hyper Duel
Guardian Force
Blastwind

And that's just getting started.

>>3384936

PC if you want FPSs and RTSs.

>>3381724
32+16=48
48<64
Jaguar is superior.

>>3384960
So, the Saturn was for poorfags? That's what I understood from your post, anyway.

>>3385647
DO THE MATH

>>3381006
>2 handles on the controller vs. 3 handles on the controller
Geeh, tough decision.

>>3385658
Nice non-sequitur statement there chump.

>>3386059
>Saturnfags literally SEETHING

>>3386075
I don't even own nor care for the Saturn though. I'm more of a Sony guy as well.

Not even one n64 game did 64bit operations. 64bit was a meme as using 64bit addressing was slower than using 32bit on the n64. Literally blast processing but at least blast processing produced actual results.

Threads like this need to be purged into fucking oblivion. I want /v/ to leave.

>>3386142
>Muh /v/ boogeyman
/vr/ turned to shit a long time ago, friend.

>>3386118
>64bit was a meme as using 64bit addressing was slower than using 32bit on the n64

muh wikipedia parroting

The reason it was slower in most situations is because the system bus was 32 bit so it needs two transmissions. Internally to the CPU however, (like working with cache) it's full speed, and some games do make use of it.

>>3380790
>Wobbly 3D models vs. proper Z-buffer
Gee, tough decision.

>>3385658
>lists 2D games
>lol poorfags
Did you have a stroke?

>>3386449

>Wobbly vertices has anything to do with the z-buffer
At least know what you're talking about.

>>3386449
>games vs no games
Gee, tough decision.

>>3386462
The point is PSX 3D looks like garbage because it has neither a Z-buffer nor floating point calculations.

>>3386494
PS1 owners don't have a problem with shaky polygons, just like how N64 owners don't have a problem with vaseline-o-vision.

>>3386465

>memes vs memes

Gee, why is the english language so bizarre? What the fuck is "gee"?

>>3386549

Anyone who used composite video was happy with vaseline-o-vision.

>>3386465
Name 5 PSX exclusives worth playing that haven't aged like fucking shit.

You can't.

>>3380790
N64 had fewer games worth playing but those games had a ton of replayability and in general were great. Playstation had more games worth playing but not many that one would consider a cult classic.

N64 for like, 8 historically fun games
PS1 for about a hundred good games.

PS1 wins by a landslide on graphics capability.

>>3386629
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid

>>3386641

> that haven't aged like fucking shit.

▲
▲▲

>>3386641
Overrated trash.

>>3386629
Name 5 N64 games.

You can't.

>>3386693
Super Mario 64
Ocarina of Time
Banjo-Kazooie
Perfect Dark
Paper Mario

>>3386693
Blast Corps
Body Harvest
Bangai O
Buck Bumble
Bomberman Second Attack

>>3386709
Nice taste desu

>>3386709
He didn't ask for just ones beginning with B.

>>3386702
>>3386709
>games

I said games, not 20 fps blur simulators.

>>3386717
>blur
I sense some irony here.

>>3386719

PS1 is jaggies and wobble, not blur. Get your memes right.

>>3386719
>blur
SOMEDAY YOU WILL FIND ME

>>3386719
>being this fucking stupid
Why the hell are you even in this thread?

>>3386719
Low FPS is choppy, not blurry you fucking retard.

>>3381827
No one said that. It's just that the PS1 library is better than the Saturn's.

>>3386772
>>3386779
t. mad sonyggers

>>3386717

Bangai-O is 60fps, mememaster.

>>3381107
That's a shame anon. I had all three of the consoles growing up and I kind of wish I had more games for Saturn growing up. In fact I wish I had more games for all three of them now.

Saturn was greatly overshadowed but had some cool games.

>>3386782
Better in terms of what exactly?

Even PSX's forte, JRPG, was no match for the greatest JRPG of the '90s: Panzer Dragoon Saga.

>>3380790
>>224 pixels vs. 240 pixels
Gee, tough decision

>>3386457
No. But you can't read, obviously.

>>3387661
>greatest JRPG of the '90s: Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Saga is great, and almost the best. But best one is none other than Paper Mario.

>>3387669
2001, senpai.

>>3387673

You got me, I guess. Give it to Saga.

>>3382320
do you have no friends because you hate n64, or do you hate n64 because you have no friends? discuss.

>>3387661
What's so special about it, other than its high price tag?

>>3388487
Go download SSF and see for yourself.

arbitrarily playing games based only on what platform they appear on is very stupid, which is why console wars are mostly fought by children and teenagers. I did it too, but at least now I can see that it was stupid. Grow up and get money, then you can buy any system you want and not have sour grapes coloring your vision of the different game machines.

>>3386782
>It's just that the PS1 library is better than the Saturn's.

You mean bigger.
Better is questionable.

>>3386209
You just confirmed that the bus was a chockepoint that made using 64bit operations useless. It literally is a meme because the system wasn't even designed to utilize the 64bit processor to it's full potential.

>>3382986
Yep, and that load time adds up when you get games that are more than a couple hours long.

>>3387673
..released on a console from 1996.

>>3388509
So you can't tell me and are only parroting what others (most likely resellers) say, gotcha.

>>3388628
Not the point. You'd have to say it's the best RPG of the '00s.

>>3388646
>You'd have to say it's the best RPG of the '00s.

Fuck me reading comphrehension, sorry about that. It's a decent RPG with a very appealing style even for an N64 game, but I can't really say it's the best JRPG of that decade; especially since it has a lot of competition with 6th gen JRPGs that have even better mechanics, yet that's a whole other can of worms

>tfw love all 3 5th Gen consoles and own a good amount of games for them

Anyone got recs for 2D sprite-based PS1 games? I already know SotN. Thanks!

Well the ps has the greatest game created for that generation so it's not that hard. Mario 64 is great, however.

>pic related. It's the greatest game of that generation

>>3391978
>>3391978
>pic related
>forgets pic

Literally going to an hero.

>>3381854
Resident Evil: Survivor. Easily my favorite PS1 game, and my fondest memories are with it.

I had an N64 first. I got it because I loved my SNES so much. I was really disappointed with the lack of games after I had played all the good ones, which were good but few. I sold it and bought a chipped PSX, never looked back. Best decision of my life.

If you really haven't played any of the PSX/Saturn exclusives and only had an N64 for that whole generation, you have been massively missing out and you have absolutely nothing to smug about.

I pity you diehard Nintendo fags. Have you only played Nintendo consoles till this day or did you give in for other generations and only refuse to play PSX?

>>3380790
Not enough stuff nor variety on N64.

>>3392469
>I pity you diehard Nintendo fags

Yeah, maybe if you were poor and had to sell one console to afford another, having a chipped PS1 was the best decision, especially because of how cheap bootleg PS1 games were. But you still missed on good stuff and I bet you had to swim on a sea of shovelware with that chipped PS1. I know I did.

>>3392564
But you still missed on good stuff
Yeah, there were some good Saturn games I missed out on. Certainly not anything on N64 or PSX though.

>I bet you had to swim on a sea of shovelware with that chipped PS1. I know I did.

I didn't. How did you manage to do that? Shovelware is such a non issue. Why would you ever bother with it? That's your own fault if you wasted your time playing that shit.

Why wouldn't you just ignore it? Don't buy it, don't play it.

>>3392613

>I didn't. How did you manage to do that? Shovelware is such a non issue. Why would you ever bother with it? That's your own fault if you wasted your time playing that shit.

Hey man, I loved The Crow and when I saw that there was a Crow game on the playstation I wanted it no matter what. It was depressing how shit it was. At least I didn't pay more than $10 for it.

>>3392618
My condolences.

>>3386640
Final fanasty hasn't aged so well graphic wise.

Let's not forget the loading times on psx.

>>3381559
N64 had no mercy. Smash bros was great. Tehres tons of Japanese only games that are good too.

Only thing people missed out on was fighting games but the arcades always the best option or mame.

Most Americans didn't care about RPGs even if there was some titles ported to America.

Rsdient evil and final fanasty series are the only titles I wish was on the n64.

We did get a superior re2 port eventually.

>>3386629
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken 3
Silent Hill
Ridge Racer Type 4
Final Fantasy Tactics
Legend of Mana

and many more

if you open the list up to everythign that wasn't PSX exclusive but simply not on the N64, the list grows to massive proportions.

Bottom line, if N64 was your only system, you never played 90% of the best games from that generation.

>>3392670

Metal Gear Solid came out on PC.

and it aged like shit

>>3392647
>We did get a superior re2 port eventually
That port was dogshit, what are you talking about?

>>3392675
Better than the slow ps1 version and low textures.

>>3392671
>Metal Gear Solid came out on PC.
Two years later.

>>3392680

So it wasn't an exclusive.

You could have picked a lot of other games that are good and were indeed exclusive to the PS1.

Why do people always list things like FF VII and MGS as PS1 exclusives? They fucking weren't.

>>3392675

Ps1 version had no anti-aliasing, terrible models, low textures.

The only good thing about the ps1 version was the mini games and better sound. And cut scences.

N64 had extra stuff which is a bonus along with the no loading multiple CDs back and forth.

>>3392690
>better sound

Not really, N64 has actually better sound.

The PS1 version is really the worst version of RE2.

If we're gonna limit ourselves to PS1 and N64, then N64 it is.
But there's better versions of RE2 like DC, Gamecube or the later PC port.

>>3392697
Dreamcast was the best along with GameCube.

But I'm just doing ps1 vs n64.

>>3392690
You forgot about the N64 exclusive one year waiting time to enjoy the scraps of the superior console.

N64 also never ever got RE3.

>>3392706
>superior console.

PS1 really was the most average console.

N64 was better at 3D, Saturn was better at 2D.

PS1 was better at game library (albeit with a ton of shovelware), but it's by no means "superior" to the other two.

>>3392671
So where's the n64 version?

>>3392716
>N64 was better at 3D
That literally doesn't matter when it's only blurry, way overrated kiddie games.

>>3392724
The entire games aged better than their ps1 counterparts.

Look how ugly ff7 looks, with fans demanding a remake to fix that mess.

Metal gear was a cool game when it came out but has aged badly graphics and everything wise.

>>3392717

You can be smarter than that. I'm not defending the N64. All I'm saying is that if you're gonna talk PS1 exclusives, then talk PS1 exclusives. There's a lot of them. MGS isn't one.

>>3392724

Would you look at that N64 hateboner. Even spouting the typical "kiddie" insult, how cute! I love hateboners like this.

I bet you enjoy your mature, load time of fluttering textures for only adult games on your ps1, right?

>>3392735
N64 looked bad back then already.

FF7 was always ugly. MGS still looks great.

>>3392750

MGS is nothing impressive.

>>3392749
>Even spouting the typical "kiddie" insult

Because it's true. N64 has a tiny library and all the overrated N64 classics are games aimed at kids, except Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.

>>3392750
No it didn't. Compare the games again fool.

MG has aged bad.

>>3392756

Meh, your hateboner is kind of small if you can admit N64 has at least 2 adult for true mature gamers game, you let me down, man.

>>3392749
And yeah, I do hate it. I hate it because it was a let down. The SNES had a much better library and I loved it. as a console. Despite that I can admit to its faults.

N64 fags are in love with a shit console and can't even admit to its faults, of which it has plenty.

N64 has the worst fanbase out of all the Nintendo consoles. Your blind love for that box of shit is just sad.

>>3392756
Smaller quality library vs one with many shitty fighter ports and shovel ware aka ps1.

Wowie. Enjoy your load times and terrible pixel and shit textures games.

Weird you mention kiddie when everyone looks like a deformed kid in ff7.

>>3392750
>MGS still looks great.

Take off the goggles, it looks like shit.

Here's a Konami game that looks better, and it's on N64.

>>3392754
MGS was huge and is still a very good game.

>>3392764

Nah I'm an idort. I like PS1, Saturn and N64. I don't love any of these consoles though, I only love certain games in all of them.

If you can't admit N64 has good games, then you'rejust blindly hating it. Not too much different from N64 fanboys blindly defending it.

>>3392770

MGS was a hit, but being a success doesn't mean it was good. The game was a tech demo that still managed to have mediocre graphics and the gameplay was a clumsier and more gimmicky version of MG2.

>>3392770
Soooo great looking.

>>3392774
I played Goldeneye till my thumbs bled. Waverace was a really fun launch title and SM64 was truly a revelation in terms of movement and exploration. It's just that in retrospect, the N64 didn't have enough games.

PSX had so much more variety in all genres except shitty 3D collectathons. It is vastly superior.

>>3392782
Yes.

>>3392789
Not really. The GameCube version is however the best one.

Notice how all the ps1 games get remakes, like re1...proves the developers are not pleased with the old ps1 style graphics.

>>3392786

Yes, we all know PS1 has the largest library. That doesn't mean all that library is good, or that N64 is a shit console for "kiddies".
As for "vastly superior", I dunno. Between my Saturn and N64, I don't really go back to my PS1 as often as you'd think. I still love some of its exclusives, like Harmful Park or Ghost in the Shell, but overall if I had to make something like a "top 10 best games of 5th gen", it's be mostly N64 and Saturn.

hmmm...

The best PS1 game is Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.

The best N64 game is The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask.

I owned both consoles. In retrospect, both sucked compared to the generations that came immediately before and after it.

>>3394272
>I owned both consoles. In retrospect, both sucked compared to the generations that came immediately before and after it.
loner detected

n64 4 player local multiplayer was the best thing ever

sorry you had such a shitty childhood