/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3372856
2D refers mostly to sprite rendering.

>>3372856
Layer Section
Battle Garegga
Metal Slug
Samurai Shodown
X Men vs. Street Fighter
Vampire Savior
Just to name a few, there's a lot more

>>3372856
Don't fall for this delicious may may, PS1 was better able to render 2D due to having a true 32bit bus architecture. The Saturns bus was 16bit, requiring twice as many word transfers which limited the framerate.

>>3372886
the ram carts fixed that, for whats worth, made it so sprite-based games could have more frames than the PS1 could handle.

>>3372886
Why are there more animations and sprites in the Saturn versions of SOTN and Street Fighter Alpha than the PS1 versions? (two examples)

Saturn was a meme console. No wonder it flopped

>>3372910
There isn't for SOTN, and transparencies were made in to dithering as well.
And for Alpha? RAM. The RAM cart is the only thing that gave it the edge, and the only thing the PS1 was really lacking.

It's a neat machine for playing PC-98 ports with voiced dialog and higher color palette.

best bomberman

>>3372897
Throughput will hard limit the amount of animation you can push into the VRAM, and you need to push your graphics into VRAM before you can render them.

Since the VRAM was throughput limited, RAM cart games actually ended up having more slowdowns than games without them.

Check Cyberbots or Marvel Super Heroes with or without the RAM cart if you don't believe me.

Nanatsu Kaze No Shima Monogatari is the only exclusive I can think of atm. I think the Saturn was a good hybrid between the N64 and PS1 in that it ran nice-looking 3D models in real-time play rather well.

When it comes to 2D images though, I still think the PSX could have handled it nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLX1NP4DDJ8

>>3372969
It wasn't just for animation, though.
Take metal slug for example, it could load the entire stage on the saturn, while on the ps1 it would have to access the disc multiple times throughout the stage.
Also, with X-men vs. Street Fighter, the saturn actually had the arcade's tag team mechanic intact, while it had to be removed from the ps1 port because it would have to load from the disc every time you wanted to tag characters.

Keio Flying Squadron 2
Wrestlemania the Arcade Game
Afterburner II
Outrun
Space Harrier
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Mega Man 8

The Saturn had some perfect ports of arcade games. The games that were on Saturn and PS were better and more detailed, with more frames of animation, on the Saturn version almost all of the time. Saturn versions were only inferior when it was handled by interns, like SotN.

>>3373045
>Take metal slug for example, it could load the entire stage on the saturn, while on the ps1 it would have to access the disc multiple times throughout the stage.

Metal Slug on the Saturn ran at like 10fps for 90% of the game.

How's compatibility on SSF these days? Is Yabause still updated?

>>3373224
>10fps for 90% of the game
Yeah ok bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7wxX37sR9A

>>3372856
None of those 2D games are going to wow you today when you have access to the arcade originals via MAME or even later ports to stronger consoles. Saturn had the edge (with the "optional" RAM cart) in some Capcom fighters as it featured more frames of animation than the PSX counterpart. Still, unless you are truly /vr/-core and have a Sony Trinitron ready to roll out perfect CRT goodness---just either emulate on MAME or play later re-releases. Saturn emu should be left for games with no other versions to sample.

>>3373514
What is this obsession with playing everything on MAME and avoiding ports? You do understand that home ports included content that wasn't available in the arcades, right? He listed several fighting games, and while I didn't play them I'd imagine those have multiple modes and maybe a training option.
I rarely go for arcade versions when fifth-gen systems already had some really great ports.

>>3373524
>content
Usually useless single player gimmicks. Games were perfectly playable in arcades without this content.

>>3373549
>single player gimmicks
Well if you've got someone to play your old games with that's great. I sure don't find the career mode in SF Alpha 3 as a pointless gimmick, though.

>>3372886
lol
>>3373235
>How's compatibility on SSF these days?
Really good.
>Is Yabause still updated?
Nope

The Saturn is a big black pile of dog shit.

Saturn had the superior shmups. Enough said.

how do I get SSF/yabause to work?

everyone asking about emulation, saturn is going to get some decent emus soon as a result of the drm crack

>>3373770
Except for Dodonpachi, which was better on PS1.

>>3373779

They're disc-based. Run a game disc in your dvd/cd/whatever drive or mount one on a virtual drive.

>>3372856
games that you can easily emulate or find in 99% similar versions on other consoles.
When it's not the case it's because you can find them in superior versions on other consoles.

At the time it was cool for 2d fighting games enthusiasts, though

>>3373037
>saturn exclusive 2d games
These are the ones that I can think of

>>3373779
Don't use Yabause
SSF is great. If a game is not working, you probably have a bad rip, download proper rips from pleasuredome.

can someone help me ive been trying to play a game but whenever i mount the image it still says "empty drive". tried everything and i dont know what to do

>>3373514
>/vr/-core
>owning only 1 crt
pleb tier

>>3373907
You need to change the drive to F:\ in the settings

>>3374021
how do I do that I don't see it in the settings

>>3373839
ddp is a shit port on both so who cares

>>3373487
That's an emulator recording which eliminates the slowdown on the Saturn version. It is really the biggest fault with SSF, though it is handy if you just want to play the game.

On the real console the game runs slow as shit. It's the reason why I sold my 1mb pack-in cart version in one of the old /bst/ threads.

>>3373839
Dodonpachi was better on the Saturn I think, but Donpachi was dogshit and better on the PS1 (Saturn version has huge amounts of completely arbitrary slowdown, which makes it much harder to dodge).

>>3374883
>how do I do that I don't see it in the settings

seriously?

>>3374909
these are the only two i see, chose both still says dive empty

>>3374925
If you put the game image on the virtual drive then obviously you have to select the virtual drive there (DiscSoftVirtual).

>>3374928
i did choose discsoft virtual but it still says drive empty

>>3374938
You have to restart the emulator after you changed it
If it doesn't work, your rip is probably bad.

>>3374971
its working now, but the music keeps cutting off and theres no sound effects. do you think it might be a bad rip then?

>>3373549
>training modes
>survival modes
>boss rush modes
>arrange music
>useless

You're not impressing anyone you hipster faggot

>>3374989
>MDF/MDS rip

Those come from an old games pack which has basically more broken games than working ones.

>>3374989
If there is no music then yes, that is a classic sign of a bad rip.

>>3372910
>more animation for SOTN
I love how these memes spread.

>>3372910
Why does SOTN run like shit on the Saturn?

>>3375120
poor programming

>>3375120
There's an explanation in a txt format on the acual disc from the programming team, saying that they weren't so happy with he end results. Cute!

>>3372856
SoTN definite version was on Saturn

>>3372934
>>3375098
>>3375120

You all still evaded the question about Alpha 2.

>>3375260
>There's an explanation in a txt format on the acual disc from the programming team, saying that they weren't so happy with he end results. Cute!

Is that true?
Is there any translation of that?

>>3375012
>>MDF/MDS rip
>Those come from an old games pack which has basically more broken games than working ones.

Is MDF/MDS a proprietary format?

What program popularized its use and when was its heyday?

>>3375948
https://tcrf.net/Akumajou_Dracula_X:_Gekka_no_Yasoukyoku_(Saturn)/Developer_Notes

>>3375123
To be fair, the Saturn documentation was dogshit, it's hardly their fault.

>>3372934
Alpha 2 is better on PS1 even without the ram, default Saturn already has better RAM than the PS1 and the VDP helps quite a bit with more detailed backgrounds.

>>3372934
Alpha 2 is better on Saturn even without the ram, default Saturn already has better RAM than the PS1 and the VDP helps quite a bit with more detailed backgrounds.

>>3378696
can't delete the post, this is what i meant >>3378701

>>3378679
>To be fair, the Saturn documentation was dogshit, it's hardly their fault.

No, the documentation was good for most parts. They just didn't fucking use 90% of the hardware.

>>3375851
that's a horrible fuckin lie

>>3379954
No it isn't. Saturn version has a tonne of exclusive extras worth checking out.

>>3372874
>Layer Section
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfcNRQx148c

>>3373524
Arcade versions of fighting games are considered the core experience and many early home ports had significant changes to frames/timing.

>>3379957
One boring extra area isn't worth the entire game being laggy shit.

Saturn has more VRAM (1.5MB total), RAM expansion and a separate processor for 2D backgrounds, so it could do better 2D.

The PS1 was just lacking VRAM.

>>3375851
Please, stop.

>>3380096
Also the Playstation had a terrible way of doing 3d. Even the Saturn wasn't that bad.

>>3380105
the saturn is still shit tho

>>3380105
>Also the Playstation had a terrible way of doing 3d.
Not really, other than the slight jitteriness it's known for (whose intensity depended upon the skill of the dev utilizing the hardware) it was still rather decent for its time. Anyways, before the advent of graphics accelerator cards, some 3D DOS games with textured graphics had similar looking results (see: Magic Carpet)

>Even the Saturn wasn't that bad.
If anything, the 3D was very similar to that of the Playstation's, if a bit more simplified due to its using quads over polygons. The only advantage it had was being a bit less jittery (emphasis on "a bit") due to the backgrounds chip.

>>3380003
Go tate or go home

>>3380003
https://youtu.be/78Q6Ck9DAH8?t=214

>>3373756
internet anyone?

>>3373872
all the good saturn titles...never to be translated...like tears in the rain

>>3378673
>https://tcrf.net/Akumajou_Dracula_X:_Gekka_no_Yasoukyoku_(Saturn)/Developer_Notes
>"If you have ideas such as “I want to play this type of game,” or “I wasn’t too happy with this part,” please write us or join Konami and work with us. *laughs*"

My heart sank when I read this line, where did it all go so wrong anons...

>>3378658

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_120%25

>>3372856
how was ps1 the better console please?
Sat has better sound chip, more memory, better controller, 2 cpu's instead of one etc etc
ALL of the SNK or Capcom 2D fighters feel and play like dogshit because the ps1 doesnt have enough ram.

What's the best emulator for Saturn? I missed out on it back in the day, I don't know if Saturn was even available in Canada.

>>3382619
SSF

>>3372856

>>3385078
Sonic Jam is awesome, but the port of 2 is garbage, it really frustrates me because the 3 port is fucking fantastic.

>>3372856
But the Saturn had NiGHTS into dreams... and will therefore always be the superior console.

>>3385094

What happened to the port of 2?