/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3362358
Nice anon. What's your set-up?

My SNES on my 8044Q via RGB using luma sync because I'm fag.

>>3362170
Since no transcoding is required would pictured work? And then I could use a VGA to DE-9 cable to fit it in.

>>3362594
Component is RGsB

>>3362594
Why do you need it to end in a vga connector?

>PVM arrives in Fort Worth this morning
>FedEx delays package by three fucking days
>Will probably spend another two days sitting in a fucking truck

Goddamn I forgot how shit FedEx is.

>>3362668
They're way better than UPS. It may even work when it shows up.

>>3362682
My last experience with FedEx was awful.

>Collect figma
>Devil Homura announced
>Some shitty no name retailer the only official outlet that'll take paypal and ship to the US
>Only option is FedEx
>Thirty two fucking dollars to ship a tiny, light-ass figma from within the US
>Ships late
>Takes two goddamn weeks to get here
>Mysteriously shows up at five fucking am

I swear to god if they break my monitor, heads will fucking roll.

>>3362701
Damn, sorry to hear. I sent a PVM one time that got damaged, and refunded the guy, and FedEx sent me a check covering the whole thing. I even talked to a real American on the phone about it.

>>3362732
That just scares me even more. Sure, it's good that I wouldn't lose my money. But it'd not like I'll find another $50 PVM anytime soon. Well, not a decent sized one with RGB, anyways.

Dear god I hope it doesn't break. I just wanna play my ill-gotten Earthbound cart on a good set.

>>3362656
Because my Amiga 1080 only takes RGB through a DE-9 sub terminal, and obviously there are no DE-9 converters because it's a pretty obscure format. I figure the easiest way to hook up RGB is by adapting DE-9 to VGA because it's a simple pin to pin adaptation. This is only gonna be for my PS2 though, I figure for Genesis/SNES I'll have a custom cable made.

>>3362604
So an RGB to VGA adapter wouldn't work?

>>3362745
But thats not the vga connector. Maybe you could find the proper one though. Should be hard to make on either.

>>3362746
NM, I didn't read the whole thing I guess. If its a sync problem, there are ways to get around that. But the easiest is an Extron rgb interface. It'll give you all kinds of sync options.

So I've spent probably 3 out of the last 5 days, (in between shitposting on the 4channel and fapping) screwing around to try and get my retro setup working properly. It's been adequately functional from the start, but as you guys probably know, that isn't enough- It has to be juuuust right.

So what I ended up doing was dumping the switch box I was using; it turned out that was the root cause of half my trouble. Waste of fucking money. Instead I'm running everything through the TV's native inputs like you should, trouble is that means I've had to compromise and put some stuff on composite rather than RGB- But I've actually managed to get it looking fucking nice, it just gives a slight soft focus that really suits the older consoles.

Anyway now that I'm happy with it I took some pictures. OC incoming, see if you can even notice the difference.

>>3362784

>>3362787

>>3362784
Looks good, did you adjust the pots on the transformer? And yeah, cheap switchers fucking suck.

>>3362682
Hey I like using UPS, the PVM's I send out are always perfectly working when they reach their destination.

>>3362740
Any idea how this guy packaged it?

>>3362790

>>3362793

>>3362795

And last, but by no means least.

Taking pictures of CRTs is hard work bros, but I love them pixels.

>>3362795
I do not frequent these threads, but this looks sick

>>3362784
If you have to change inputs now anyway, why even bother with composite?
What switchbox were you using?

>>3362784
if you have inputs on the back, just get an extension so you
-don't have to go on the back
-don't harm the connector with repeated plugins/outs

>>3362391
PVM-20M2MDU. I've had this thing for several years now and it has treated me well.

>>3362824

My only RGB input was the first SCART socket; the other two only take composite. Luckily all my cables are high quality and the composite decoder on the TV seems to be pretty good so it's actually not that big a deal.

As you can see, it still came out looking good, all those pics are from the composite inputs. I saved the RGB one for the PS2 because I think the extra sharpness is more necessary for 3D games; and stuff like Resident Evil and Final Fantasy etc with those crisp pre-rendered backgrounds.

It's easier to just press a button on the remote to switch anyway. I was overcomplicating things before.

>>3362925
might wanna use the 2 other sockets with SVideo then

THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING VIDEO GAMES ABOUT THIS THREAD
GO BACK TO >>>/g/

>>3362979

I'd honestly say the image quality I'm getting is already on par with what S-Video would give me.

>>3362996

Go home, weary traveller.you appear to have lost your way.

Getting good, clean pictures of a CRT screen sure is a pain in the ass.

Guys I can't get rid of a variable roll on the picture from my super Famicom. I have tried both my consoles (original and 1 chip), sync on csync, different CRTs, even the xrgb mini. The roll seems to be more prominent on some screens than others. I have tried asking in the repair thread a couple of times but was ignored so i thought you guys would know more about it. Pic not really related

>>3363140
I don't recall your posts, but then again I haven't been a regular visitor to the repair threads for some time.

I need some more info. Do you get the roll on all outputs or just certain outputs? Is your TV and console properly grounded? Are you using different cables?

>>3362996
Fuck off, sperg.

>>3362751
>>3362746
Which extron model should i look into? A quick search and a lot of them popped up with VGA inputs and BNC outputs, I need the other way around.

>>3363198
Idk, might have to make a cable as well. Or maybe just use a different monitor. There are always small security monitors and the like on ebay. Most don't have rgb, but have svideo. I always just search "crt monitor" and find all kinds of weird shit. Some new in box as well.

>>3363198
Idk what you're trying to do but you can just use a breakout vga cable?
160xi is good a one. They all work well just depends on the features you need.

>>3362604
Component is YPbPr, RGsB is RGsB.
Both just happen to carry sync information on the green color coded wire. In the case of component, this is luma; With RGsB, it's actually Green.

>>3362745
If you're getting RGB from the PS2, 240p/480i stuff is going to be sent via RGBS, with S being either composite video or luma depending on the cable. You don't need any sort of Extron or otherwise in order to connect it to the 1080, only the proper cable.

If you go the SCART route due to simplicity, you'll need a cable that takes pins 7, 11, 15, and 20 and connects them to pin 3, 4, 5, and 7 of the 1080's DE-9. Additionally, you'll need pins 2 and 6 on the SCART end broken out for audio, as well as at least one ground on each end, preferably more.

Alternatively, you could get a third party PS2/PS2 Component cable that ALSO has a composite lead on it, and use that for RGBS. From there, a DE-9 to 4 RCA, similar in construction to >>3362594 would work, though that may need to be custom made to have the right pinout.

>>3362798
Why does everything look so wide? Are you stretching stuff to 16:9 or something?

>>3363140
Photo, or more likely video would help in showing what you mean.

>>3362790


Oh my gosh... Played and finally beat this game with my brother over a few beers in 2005-ish. He passed away in Iraq in 2007. I miss him more than anything. Thanks for posting this.

>>3363198
The back of your monitor is NOT VGA
VGA has 14-15 pins

>>3363218
Component doesn't carry sync on green. It has no green. It's sync red and blue. Generally equipment that can take sync on green can usually do component also.

The extron rgb interfaces can be needed but idk about this case.

Never, ever fall for the SCART meme.

>>3363235
Okay, we'll just use JP-21. :^)

>>3363234
The green colored cable carries green on RGB and luma + sync on component YPbPr

>>3363237
All it carries is luma. (Y)
The other two cables are red and blue.

The green is made by the decoder.

>>3363234
>>3363241
>Both just happen to carry sync information on the green color coded wire. In the case of component, this is luma;
Green Color Coded. Y is color coded as the green cable, and nothing more.
As I said originally, it's Luminance; A greyscale version of the image that accounts for the brightness of the image, and also happens to carry sync information.

And they aren't "Red and Blue"; They're comparisons between the blue of the "original" image and luma, and the same with red. A bit of math gives you Green.

>>3363241
No, it carries luma + sync. Otherwise you'd get no picture.
The other two cables are color differences B-Y and R-Y.

>>3363247
It's
Y
Pb
Pr
Y carries Luma. It's the green cable. It doesn't carry green.

Pb blue
Pr red

RGB in general is just the difference from gray. That's what those numbers mean when you look at an RGB scale.

>>3363250
see
>>3363258

Luma is the sync.

>>3363259
Luma is Y = 0.2126 R + 0.7152 G + 0.0722 B.
It's a black and white picture. In addition, sync is carried on the same cable.

>>3363258
I don't know if english isn't your first language, or if you're just can't read.

That is, quite literally EXACTLY what I just said.
Y is not green. Y ---------just happens to be carried along a green colored cable------

>RGB in general is just the difference from gray.
No. this isn't HSV or some crazy shit.
RGB are absolute values for the three primary additive colors, not something to be referenced against something they themselves would have to be combined to create.

>>3363265
I don't know who you're parroting but it's simply luma. Exact same as what svideo uses.

>>3363270
>parroting is repeating accurate information
I hope you are trolling and not just stupid.

>>3363268
>RGB are absolute values
Tell me where do you think those absolute values are from?
Give you a hint. Go open up pretty much any RGB scale. Through all the scales to 0. What do you get?
Now through all the scales to 256. Now what do you get?

>>3363274
Well I'm not the retard trying to say component luma is different then luma. So there's that.
>>3363278
through should be throw...

>>3363282
>Well I'm not the retard trying to say component luma is different then luma.
You are the retard who can't even read then.

>>3363287
I can quote I guess.
>No, it carries luma + sync. >>3363250
You said it a few times actually.

>>3363290
It does, in fact, carry luma + sync. If you can't understand simple facts that's your problem.

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/1184

>>3363278
Black and White, Full off and Full on.
You need to have R, G, and B to get anything other than black to begin with. Black is the only thing you could even technically say they're referenced from, but certainly not grey.

Where are you even going with this; You're just rewording things in some strange attempt to find some technicality where a piece of information is incorrect or otherwise misleading.

Where in any of my posts did I say that Y was Green Video, when you (or if there's multiple anons responding at this point, one of you) repeatedly what I said originally in >>3363258

And how could you even take issue with that concept if you're just going to call Pb and Pr Red and Blue?

This is honestly just arguing for the sake of arguing, with absolutely nothing to gain.

>>3363294
I'm not aware of which component cable standard carries luma + some extra sync.

Give me an article on that. I'd be interested.

If you're confessed you can read the article you linked where it mentions svdieo also and see that there isn't different kinds of Luma.

>>3363301
I don't think you understand what the word absolute means. Nor how RGB works.


>Green Color Coded. Y is color coded as the green cable >>3363247

>>3363302
>different kinds of Luma.
Nobody us saying there are different kind of lumas, dumbass.
All I saying is the fact that the cable colored green, marked "Y" in your TV, carries an electrical signal called "luma" which is the electrical representation of the quantity called "luminance" which is a component of the YPbPr color space. In addition, the cable marked "Y" carries both horizontal and vertical synchronisation signals. Thus it is perfectly accurate to say that the cable marked "Y" carries both luma and sycn.

All of this is explained in the page I linked, among many other places.

>>3363315
Why would ever say Luma + sync then?

>>3363308
And if you take that in full context:
>>3363218
Both just happen to carry sync information on the green color coded wire. In the case of component, this is luma; With RGsB, it's actually Green.
And then again:
>>3363247
Green Color Coded. Y is color coded as the green cable, and nothing more.

I will repeat: and nothing more.

If you want to start going into definitions, R, G and B as such are absolute. Red is red, Green is Green, and Blue is Blue. They are not "Red, compared to..." or "Red minus...". If you want to get really fucking anal, you can go into things about bias and gain, but that's completely unrelated in this conversation.


The signal/voltage on red intensifies? Red fucking intensifies. Blue and Green couldn't give a single fuck what so ever. White might cry that it got beat up and is all orange and shit.

In comparison, if Pb or Pr in Component change? The full saturation of color in the image changes, since they are REFERENCED to Y rather being ABSOLUTE and defined by themselves alone.

>>3363324
I took it out of context then. You could had worded it a bit better than that though.

>>3363327
I'll full on admit that is an issue I run into far too often. Without editting what I write several times over, most of what I write is more of a "stream on consciousness" sort of thing, and can often end up somewhat rambling.
As can be seen by the occasional missing word right in the middle of a sentence: It was there in my head, but didn't seem to actually make it to my fingers.

>>3363338
Pretty common thing on an image board like this. I misspell words that sound like each other all the time.

Though I'm not not sure what the other guy saying luma + sync was ever on about.

>>3363308
I legit have the worst 4am ideas...

>>3362792
All I know is it's apparently in a box considerably larger than the actual monitor itself. I hope that's a good sign.

>>3363227
Yeah no shit, see >>3362745

>>3363218
I think custom cables or S-Video will just be the way to go for every console unfortunately. Thanks a lot for the help Kya.

Somewhat related note, I'm getting my custom Genesis cable made for the monitor soon, would anyone be able to make a simple diagram of what I need for the cable maker with resistors and all that? Pictured is the pinouts someone from Sega-16 provided, he said he used a pin to pin adapter, but I think someone here said more is required.

>>3363567
>yeah no shit

you were the one hung up on vga outputs and breakouts
dont act like i just pulled that out of my ass cunt

>>3363448
If the box isn't sound then bigger doesn't always equate to safer. For a 20 inch monitor the most you should need is a 24x24x24 box and a 22x22x22 within that one.

>>3362798
yer, 16:9 is a bit much.

Which Metal Slug, btw?

>>3362164
I noticed that there are no Bang & Olufsen in the pastebin?

The MX-series are absolutely amazing TVs with built-in settings to de-interlace 480i for beautiful scanlines.

Danish quality product

>>3363932
those are beautiful and I hope to find one someday.

>>3363958
>>3363953
>>3363956
What TV? Some sort of PVM?

And what games?

>>3363974
It's a PVM-20M2MDU

First screenshot is from Soukyugurentai. The other two are from Cotton Boomerang. Both games are on the Saturn.

>>3363974
Games might be Sokyu Gurentai/Terra Diver and... Cotton? Unless mame, in which case i'm going for Mystic Riders for the second game :)

>>3364005
>>3363978

Shit, ninja'd while i shutdown my VPN...

>>3363932

I saw one of these on Ebay yesterday for fifty Britbux and I was very tempted.

But it's all the way in fucking Edinburgh.

>>3363218

>Why does everything look so wide? Are you stretching stuff to 16:9 or something?

That's just PAL bro. 576 lines versus 480 on NTSC, so most games with a 224-240 vertical resolution end up getting letterboxed on PAL; whereas on NTSC it divides neatly to give you scanlines.

I remember when Symphony of the Night came out on Xbox Live and everyone was bitching about how they'd stretched it to widescreen. However, having played it as a kid (and sorely regretting losing my copy considering how much UK versions are worth now) I remember what it looked like then, and it definitely wasn't in 4:3. It used the lowest vertical resolution the PS1 was capable of, and had black borders so big it may as well have been 16:9. So as far as I'm concerned, that aspect ration is IRL canon.

This is why it always confused me at first why scanlines were such a fetish in these threads, because I've never seen them in my life. It's an NTSC thing I guess.

It's also partly the angle I have to take photos from in order to avoid flicker. Pic related, this shows up as almost perfect 4:3 on the screen but looks much more stretched in the photo.

>>3363054
don't diss out S-video, it's legit up there with RGB, especially with 240p content. And it's a shame to let those inputs unused

I'm looking at a component matrix switcher but the specs for it list 480i as the lowest resolution supported. I think 240p will still work but I'm not sure... What do you guys think?

Are wide Sony Trinitron shit for gaming on NES to PS1 - PS2?

>>3364264

You can never go wrong with a Trintron. Just make sure it has the types of input you are looking for and it should be okay.

Stay away from the larger sizes because older games end up looking messy just due to the size, but in general widescreen displays are fine because they nearly always had selectable aspect ratios.

>>3364284
Thanks fampai
Is 80cm good or is it considered "too large"?

>>3364284
WSs have a good chance to be 100hz / scaled

>>3364294
Why is 100hz bad?

>>3364297
image processing that produces lag and artifacts. I

>>3364294

Good point Anon.

Double check Trinitron-kun, looks for the model number to see if you can find the manual online.

Trinitrons were high-end, so usually they will have selectable frequency as well as aspect ratio. But you wanna make sure it's capable of regular 50/60hz.

>>3364308
aw shit, kind of defeat the purpose of buying a CRT then

>>3363219
>passed away
>killed
just say it...

Speaking of Trinitron, I've been browsing online locally for various models for a while now and continually find that they're asking for what I think are ridiculous prices.
$150 for a 14M2U, $350 for a 20M4U, $190 for a 14L2, and $200 for a 20N6U are just a few current ones I've found. Will these really sell for this much?
I live in a well populated area that I have to imagine would have a lot of these floating around still.

Phonedork?
> guy talks about hardware and gaming and is pretty innovative.
never gets mentioned..

>>3364339
he does get mentionned from time to time

he doesn't pump out a lot of vids so it's normal
I like his vids.

>>3364335
People who know what Trinitrons are think that they're still worth something. The trick is to keyword search for Sony TVs, CRTs, or even just "TV" if you have a day to spend.

>>3364532
Every video of his I've seen is just a bad handicam video of him talking about his PVM. Are there some videos that have more content or are more enjoyable to watch?

>>3364339


That nerd who thinks he's really Vin Diesel? No thanks.

He's pretty cool as far as your average youtubers go though.

>>3364127
>>3363932
>>3363938
I bought one today. You need to fiddle with it a bit to get it just right, but it looks great. Nice piece of furniture too.

thoughts? try not to hate my shitty phone camera

>>3365102

>>3365104

>>3365109

>>3365110

>>3365113

>>3365113
what game is this

>>3365117

>>3365117
seems..ok.
those lines are niether thick or thin.
Im going to guess its a trinitron from the 90's
more than likely consumer.
maybe RCA not bad. how big is the display...?

>>3365124

>>3365128
oh nvm. thats an PVM-FM1U probably. multiformat perhaps.;

>>3365118
Donkey Kong 64

>>3365127
right, wrong, wrong, 20.

>>3365135
yea I gave away that it was a PVM for that image. Every game is being displayed on a different set. So 4 different 'TV's'.

Meaning what you guessed for wave race has to be different from chibi.

>>3365128

>>3365220

>>3364548
That's not a bad idea. I'll have to try to get more creative with the way I search around for these things. Thanks for the advice Anon.

Anyone tried this? http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/pal-snes-rgb-cable-fix/
I have that problem and i wonder if I only need to remove the caps, or to also solder in resistors

>>3364330
Fuck off back to /b/ you cunt.

I have a very simple question. I have a PVM-20L5. I need to take the front panel off because it looks like there's some kind of light leak on the two top corners, which I was under the impression was only an issue with LCD screens.

So, how should I set the set? Should I just keep it upright or put it on its back with the screen facing up?

It is truly a shame that the PS1 didn't get more 2D games.

>>3365594
Uh it has a shit ton of 2d games. Not as good as Saturn but still.

Having a problem with a early PVM I picked up off a friend. Its all manual adjustments, and I've got it mostly fine, but there's this weird waviness in the top of the image where it bows in a bit. Any ideas on what it could be? It dosent happen at the bottom. I've already degaussed the monitor.

>>3365761
real pic

>>3363235
don't shitpost about scart. If you are able to build all your cables yourself, great for you. But if you aren't scart is the easiest way to go. At least in countries where scart-inputs in televisions are actually a thing. I can connect my consoles with RGB-scart-cables to commodore-monitors, my LCD-TV, consumer-CRTs, broadcast-CRTs and extron-switches (both via a sync strike/sync stripper cable) and my beamer (with a cheap scart-component-converter). All with the same scart-cables! So where's the hate towards scart coming from....?

>>3362795
Love me some Sonic CD

>>3365859
Mainly because it's inferior to any other RGB video delivery solution.

Is there a /crt/ approved s-video switcher? I realized the one I was using was causing some quality loss, and I really don't enjoy having to move the tv to switch between my video games.

>>3365594
What game is this?

>>3365626
No idea where this "Shit ton" of games is. PS1 and N64 combined have WAY less 2D games than the Saturn.

>>3365859
anybody is 'able' to. spending a bunch of money on 'instant weak point' connectors and adaptors is going to do you so much disservice either immediately or down the road.
every time this thread appears, someone using SCART invariably complains about audio hum or some nonsense.

if you're into this hobby, spend like $10 on a shitty soldering iron. stop being such a pleb consumer

>>3366202
All you need is one breakout

also a 10 dollar soldering iron isnt good advice

>>3366202
Nothing about CRTs implies were supposed to be anything other than pleb consumers

I've been using scart RGB on my PVM for most of my consoles for years and I've literally never had any issues.

>>3366085
Dunno about /crt/-approved, but I've been using an RCA brand 4-port S-video switch and haven't noticed ANY loss in quality or added lag. I notice 0 difference in my consoles plugged into the switch or directly to the TV.

>>3366287
Oh that's the one that I was noticing issues with quality. Eh.

>>3366292
What sort of loss have you been getting? I'd like to know so I can keep an eye out for if this one is going bad.

>>3366085
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTRON-MAV-16X16-COMPOSITE-S-VIDEO-Y-C-STEREO-ROUTER-NEW-EXCELLENT-/110805273337?hash=item19cc824af9:m:maF7n4Cn-WflUUajSEeCPLw

something like this
im not sure if all the extron composite switches take s-video

>>3366334
Whoah expensive!
>>3366085
Take a look at the Extron MPS 112. 4 svid inputs and conventional rca audio. They usually turn up cheap, like 1/10th of what that other one costs.

>>3366481
I think most of the MPS series do s-vid

>>3366481
Do those BNC inputs take composite?

>>3366491
Of course

>>3366310
I was getting the moving checkerboard pattern described in the s-video pasta.

>>3366481
Ooh thanks anon.

>>3366202
i accept that scart can be the cause of problems, yes. On the other hand - everybody using scart should know how the handle scart since his childhood. And it can't be the worst standard if it was used all across europe since the early 80s! As i already said, scart is very convenient if you have enough devices with scart ports. If you want to make custom cables for custom setups i.e. from the console directly to BNC or a monitor-specific connector like DE-9 oder DIN that's fine to me. But if you have many different consoles and many different monitors that's way too much a pain in the ass for me.

http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=system7sc&s=4#spec

what do you guys think the latency on this would be?

>>3366693

The SCART meme is literally that, it's a meme and troll bait round here because ofall the bumsore Yanks who are jealous because they have to dick around soldering and modifying their consoles, whereas every Euro has been enjoying RBG like it ain't even no shit.

Se also scanlines, those are a fucking meme too. A picture properly displayed from a retro console on a commercial TV was intended to take advantage of the natural anti-aliasing provided by a CRT and the way it draws the picture on screen. It was not intended to be seen as crystal clear pixels with black lines between on your PVMeme.

Anyway whatever, can somebody post some delicious pixelly Popful Mail? I'm just grumpy because I haven't had my coffee yet.

>>3366134

That game is Rapid Reload/Gunner's Heaven. It only came out in Europe and Japan. Great game though.

>>3366715
>yanks
>jealous

Keep telling yourself that.

>>3365316
Removing the caps will just result into a too strong signal, just solder 75 ohms to ground before the caps and it will work fine.

>>3366334
>>3366481
I got an inline 16 input bnc switch that accepts everything you throw at it for thirty bucks on eBay.

>>3366569
Glad I'm not getting that on mine, but I'll keep an eye out.

>thought my 202MU looked good
>See a 1000 line BVM in person

This is fucking bullshit.

>>3366829
thanks

I've got a Trinitron, but it only has SCART input. I have the official Playstation RCA cable, so if I get a SCART adapter, will it be be the same quality as an actual SCART cable? Is there even a difference is the first place?

pls don't bully me i don't know much

>>3367209
>if I get a SCART adapter, will it be be the same quality as an actual SCART cable?
No. Get an RGB SCART cable.

>>3367225
Any specific recommendations? Seems like there's a lot of dodgy ones out there.

Contacted someone with a BVM-D24E1WU. Provided it has a low hour count, what's the most I should pay for this thing?

>>3367230
retrogamingcables.co.uk

I am an idiot

I tried to polish out a very small scratch on a CRT flat-screen with Anti-glare coating, yes I know :(

As you can see the coating went off a bit as you can see were the scratches are i

Now I have 2 options, first deal with it or pull the coating off, which I really dont want to cause I like the black tint it gives the monitor and the reflection of light that becomes nice and purple.

I was thinking that I could replace or imitate the coating, I just need to know what is made out off and for spreading it on the CRT, its a flatscreen right? ,so I just cut a thin piece of glass to the monitor size and tint it and whatever do to replicate the AG coating and mount it on the CRT

As for the brightness and stuff i can test on other monitor the original counting to get an idea how it should be to quire the same results as with the original coating

would this work ??

Or I just reapply the A-G coating on the thin piece of glass or a shop does that, but I need to know exactly how its made and what is used

>>3366945
Everything? My inline switch doesn't accept 75 ohm sync signals on the sync lines; it requires TTL sync. Does yours do the same thing?

>>3367259
The big guy likes everything I've thrown at it. I have a smaller 8 input one that does not play well with composite video as sync.

>>3367257

anyone ?

where can I find any information of the stuff/compounds that they used in these AG coatings, are they the same as the ones they are coating on glasses these days ?

Anyone know much about these Hitachi TV/Monitors from the 80s? There seem to be a variety of different models that all have the "TV/Monitor" branding. I take it they were meant to be used with old PCs so they should be pretty sharp looking, right? There's one for free near me is why I'm asking.

>so they should be pretty Sharp looking, right?

Hopefully they are pretty Hitachi looking

>>3367235
Your soul

>>3367446
I thought about using another word other than sharp out of fear of someone making a joke like this but figured no one would go for such low hanging fruit. Thanks for proving me wrong.

I have my PVM sitting in the shelf right below my stereo amplifier. When I turn on the amp, the magnetic field makes the screen wobble. Any way that I can prevent this from happening without putting my amp somewhere else?

>>3367363
>>3367402
Fuggeddaboutit.

Even if you found the recipe, it would cost you many times the value of the monitor to "hitch a ride" on a typical AR coat run.

t. Fiber optic engineer working with this kind of stuff on an everyday basis.

>>3367485
Sorry, didn't mean to reply to >>3367402

>>3367485
>AR coat run

I can built a rotation lathe from a old wachine machine, the most importations things are keeping it safe and securely tightened on the rotation device and the key thing is that its well balanced

then the fluid physics does the rest of spreading it evenly with the help of centrifugal force

>>3367523
Do you really trust the average 4channer to spin-coat sheets of glass and
A) wind up with a usable product
B) not wind up with a Darwin Award

?

Finally beat Batman on NES. Shit that was fun. Unfortunately just got this phone pic of the lovely batman logo, hence the scan.

>>3367556
Some really cool looking cutscenes!

Can't wait to get my hands on Return of the Joker.

>>3367552

yes why not if its build by someone who knows what hes doing then it is possible, finding/making the proper coating is the harder part thenpart

I had an old laptop with Windows 7 unoccupied, and I found an old VGA to S-Video converter collecting dust, so I turned it into an emulation machine for my CRT setup to cover the console I don't have and some older PC games on DOSBOX.

As it is, it 'just werks', but poorly. It's locked on 800x600 and a rather low refresh rate. It's playable, but the image is blurry. Kinda misses the point of using the CRT TV at all.

So I decided to research for a proper VGA converter (pic not related). Hopefully, VGA to Component cables. One that would allow me the proper resolution and refresh rate so the emulator looks on TV as nice and crispy as my consoles.

I have a couple of questions on this.

- First of all, what kind of convertor do I need? Which specific specs should I look for?
- Even my shitty VGA to S-Video has a small converter box USB powered. Do cables with no converter box like pic related have any chance of working right just as it is? Something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Gold-Plated-5FT-VGA-to-TV-RGB-3-RCA-Component-Adapter-Cable-Cord-for-Laptop-/131567246885?hash=item1ea204de25:g:fSUAAOSwyQtVuaRk
- Is this setup only possible with CRT TVs that do Progressive image? Mine is capable, but I'm curious anyway.
- Requirements on the computer side. Is this doable on Windows 7 and any integrated Intel graphics card? (If not, I may consider building another PC for this out of spare parts) I mean, proper fullscreen resolution (320x240?) so games look as crispy (and as "faithful" as the original console) as possible on the CRT TV. If I set 320x240 as the fullscreen resolution on each emulator's settings, would that be enough, or should the entire OS be running on that resolution?

Most of all, any experience doing something similar (either VGA or HDMI -to- CRT TV for emulation), and recommendations of an specific converter, would be greatly appreciated.

I'm looking to buy some scart cables finally, is retrocables. UK a safe bet?
I was going to go through eBay retro cables (the woman in the USA) but they are sold out and have been for ages.

>>3367993
>I'm looking to buy some scart cables
Which eceleb told you you to buy them?

>>3368003
?
I currently only have composite for my mega drive, and my CRT takes component and one takes RGB. I thought I'd get Scart for the best look.
My friend also has scart and he thinks it looks great.
I've got svid for my ps2 which also looks nice, but I understand scart is better and less likely to get dicey Chinese low quality cables.

>>3368008
>PAL
Better off just throwing it in the trash.

>>3367993
>but they are sold out and have been for ages
Check earlier in the day d00d, she delists 'em in the evening for whatever reason.

>>3367257
remove the entire coating and replace the film or use a clip on glare screen.

http://www.mecanusa.com/polarizer/AR-film/AR_sheet.htm

>>3368063
Oh? Strange, might be a time zone thing because I'm in Australia. Thanks for the tip, I'll check through the day.

Is it worth getting a 1702?

Does anyone know why it seems to be so hard to find a video monitor outside of the US? If I search on eBay for example, and filter to only show items in Europe, I get nothing. I've also checked Blocket, which is pretty much the Swedish equivalent to Craigslist, no results either. Getting one from the US isn't impossible though, since the shipping is much cheaper than I expected it to be for such heavy things, but it feels risky since they're fragile.

Another problem with this is that since they're usually made in the 90s, they rarely have switching power supplies. Are there any models that use standard ATX PSUs or something like that, where I could easily just drop in a more modern one?

>>3368019
Nothing in that post implied he used PAL, pal. SCART works for NTSC too.

>>3368254
Ye

>>3366695
b-bump?

how do you think these compare to XRGBs lag-wise?

Just got off the phone about the BVM-D24E1WU. Very nice retired Sony Technician out of California who said he might have one in a few weeks from an editing warehouse that was closing down. Crossing my fingers that I get it. IF it's available, and that's a big if since he's had other people asking about it, he might even calibrate it for me professionally before sending it out.

In his words (it would be basically brand new)

I hope he doesn't ask too much, but at the same time I can't even imagine what these are going to cost 10 years from now.

Anyone else thinking on biting the bullet on one of these, or am I the only one insane enough to drop over $1000 on a tube TV just to play 240p games on it?

>>3368410
>I hope he doesn't ask too much, but at the same time I can't even imagine what these are going to cost 10 years from now.
Hopefully, new and better screens will eliminate the need for old CRTs. I recently saw a demo of some monitors that were quickly moved around side to side by robot arms in a dark room, while the logo on screen stayed stationary. Anyone who knows what that was?

>>3368324
I do have a pal system, live in Australia.
I think he realised because I called it Mega Drive instead of Genesis.

>>3368587
That' dumb, you could have used a Japanese one.

>>3368008
Ignore the SCART-meme troll. RGB is amazing, and if you don't have soldering skills then SCART is fine, because you won't be able to buy a MD-to-BNC cable. Or not that I'm aware of.

Anyone else find that on their low end consumer sets 480i and 240p look almost exactly the same?

>>3368617
I guess he just assumed. Is PAL really that bad though? I don't particularly feel like modding or importing when I have a perfectly good console and library already.
>>3368643
Thanks man, I've heard good things. It's probably easier t than trying to find alternatives too.
Planning to get Scart for my Saturn and MD, then get a scart to bnc cable

>>3368825
My brother plays on PAL-consoles, but I only use NTSC. We live in a PAL-country. PAL should really only be used for games developed by companies based in PAL-countries, like Rareware, whose PAL-versions are much better. I think you should write in this thread: >>3368435

>>3368830
>PAL
>better on N64
Have fun with 8 fps.

>>3368410
I wouldn't drop 1k to play 240p games. I would to play 480p games

>>3368254
for the style of it, absolutely. If you have a c64 it's a must have. Doesn't have RGB tho, composite and s-video only.

>>3368825

The PAL/NTSC difference isn't that noticeable if you are from a PAL country and grew up playing PAL games.

I think the most important thing with retro games is authenticity so if you have setup where everything is working "as intended", whether it's PAL or NTSC, RGB or composite, even RF- Enjoy it and don't worry about what some online hipster thinks.

>>3369284
Well, "as intented" is usually how the NTSC-console worked since most games were made for that system. Rareware games should totally be played on a PAL-system though.

>>3369438
Has this authenticity meme now seriously gotten to the point where we're saying that you should only play games developed by American or Japanese devs on an NTSC display and games from European devs on a PAL display? Look, obviously I think you want to play old games on a CRT, otherwise I wouldn't be in the thread. Even the playing of NES games on old RF or composite only sets I can get. But fuck off with this shit, there's no justification for this kind of autism.

>>3369438

Rare deve are still around and active so there's a good chance that one of them will answer you as to which is the intended playing console for their games. Also, chances are good that they in fact had both PAL and NTSC consoles to test with, so just because they were in the UK doesn't mean that they didn't have NTSC units.

>>3368410
Honestly it just makes me sad that all those great TVs are just gonna be trashed and pollute the planet because people gotta have dem flatscreens.

Even for regular TV viewing, there was something special about the glow from a CRT that felt really great. Maybe I'm just an old man though.

>TFW kids won't know why we call it You-Tube

>>3369438

No dude, I didn't mean "as intened" in this bizarre /vr/ autist way where people try and fucking divine what the developer's true intentions were.

The developers didn't have intentions. They wanted you to play their fucking game. They knew players would be using TVs of a wide range of sizes and quality levels, and they tried their best so that games would look good on all of them.

When I say "as intended" I mean as in, having a fucking console hooked up to a fucking TV and plugged the fuck in, how it shows you in the instruction manual, how the majority of people were using these things when they came out, because that was what we had then. I swear to god the majority of these purist hipster assholes who bitch about aspect ratios, PAL vs NTSC, MUH SCANLINES etc are all kids who don't even remember using a pre-PS2 console IRL.

>>3369603
>The developers didn't have intentions. They wanted you to play their fucking game.
You obviously don't know what the word "intentions" means because you just contradicted yoruself.

>>3369580

Don't worry anon.

I'm willing to bet that in 10-20 years time, you'll be able to buy specialist CRTs from boutique manufacturers, the same way you can still buy records on vinyl and get audio gear that uses hand-soldered wiring and vacuum tubes.

And when you can, I will be all over that shit. The future isn't going to be like Blade Runner, but my apartment damn well will be.

>>3369627
>in 10-20 years time, you'll be able to buy specialist CRTs from boutique manufacturers
I doubt it.

>>3369615

See this is the level of autism we are dealing with here, can't even understand sentences with an implied context. You literally have to spell it out a letter at a time for these spergs.

>>3369632

Why not Anon?

If there's still a market for amplifiers built out of 1920s analogue technology for audiophiles, there could well be a market for analogue displays too.

>>3369648
Try doing this with a CRT

https://youtu.be/EzyXMEpq4qw

>>3369648
Amps are way easier to manufacture, store and sell.

Aaaaaaaaand it's here! Nep-spamming newfag with the 14M4U here. Finally have it set up, with no problems at all. Completely relieved. Pictures incoming!

Forgive the shitty quality, using a cheap-ass camera on top of a generally shaky hand.

>>3369737
Game? never seen that before.

>>3369739
Tail Concerto.

>>3369739
Tail Concerto, the furry Megaman Legends.

>>3369737
>>3369738
>>3369741
>>3369745
Gratz. Now you can stop Nep-posting and post pretty CRT pics instead

>>3369745
>>3369748
>Makes MML comparison right after I post MML pic
I am amused.

Also related, a pic from a much better known CC2 game.

That's the last of them for now. Next month I can get my SNES mini modded and show off that. Can't fucking wait, my satisfaction is through the roof right now.

Okay I just sold a few games and was gonna use the money for an atom-15/crt_emudriver 2.0 box.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/m8ZbXH

apu and gpu overclockable for no real gains, useless dual-graphics crfossfire. Seems like the perfect potato.

>>3369737

>>3369825
I don't know what you plan to emulate, but for /vr/ stuff I'd just get some second hand lga775 based box for next to nothing.

how do I hook up my pc to my composite crt?

>>3362164
I think CRT games, sonic and FF7 gave me this weird obsession with neon lighting which is what draws me so much to these kinds of monitors. Anyone else also feel?

I can't quite place why I love the look of it so much with the scanlines and everything...

I guess it's just an art style that I particularly like.

So how hot do PVMs get? Is it safe to set any figures on top of them? I won't get any melted PVC, will I?

I made a thread on /v/ but obviously noone there gives a shit but my question is:

So we have the whole indie scene blowing up with 16-bit replicas everywhere.

Is there a way to portray any of these in 240p/480i on a CRT and have them look legit like older games, or are we stuck with the awful emulation-esque blockyness for now?

Are there actually any projects making good new 8/16bit games from the ground up that are compatible with that era of consoles on a flash cart or something?

For example, how would I go about hooking up undertale to a CRT and having it look legit?

Can it be run in old native resolutions, or do you have to add some sort of switch to add in scanlines and shit?

>>3369501
Display doesn't really matter since most TVs from the mid-90s or something are support both PAL and NTSC. It's the software and console that matters. I've heard the N64 supports both.
>>3369521
>so just because they were in the UK doesn't mean that they didn't have NTSC units.
Sure, but if the game was optimized properly for PAL, the PAL-version is better.

>>3370051

You can use an XRGB-Mini to add scanlines to new games if that's what you're asking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3fOde0EBnY

You could probably play shovelknight in 240p with nes like scanlines this way, but I don't have one to test that out.

>>3369627
>I'm willing to bet that in 10-20 years time, you'll be able to buy specialist CRTs from boutique manufacturers
I hope so too, but CRTs will be harder to manufacture again now because they require some parts to be made by hand. I hope new display technology with as high refresh rates as old CRTs will reduce the need for them.

>>3369627
>I'm willing to bet that in 10-20 years time, you'll be able to buy specialist CRTs from boutique manufacturers

Doubtful. The only reason tube TVs were ever as cheap as they were is because EVERYONE was making them, & there were tons of factories to do it.

No Factories = Production cost through the roof.

>>3370070
>>3370067
The real question is, how long until we go from free CRTs on every street corner, to them being harder to find and worth something again?

>>3370074

10 years when the people who grew up on tube TVs start to retire.

>>3370063
I found out undertale runs at 480p and just upscales depending on your PC's resolution, so it should actually port out to CRT fine I guess. Thanks for the link, I think undertale would look pretty nice with scanlines.

>>3370070

I never said they would be cheap. I said "boutique manufacturers". That means highly inflated prices for an enthusiast market. Go check out the prices on some of those tube amps I was talking about.

But it'll be available nevertheless. The only reason it doesn't exist yet is because there are still relatively plentiful second-hand sets compared to the demand.

>>3370104
>undertale runs at 480p and just upscales depending on your PC's resolution
I fucking love when games do that. Pixelart games should do it just like that. It also keeps frem from mixing resolutions and rotating sprites without fitting them into the grid and all that bullshit.

>>3362164
D-Did I do well /vr/ senpai?

Undertale sounds kind of like like what upskirt porn would be called if we were furries.

>>3370152
>those infinite blacks

this is why I love CRTs

>>3370152
The p-p-picture is over exposed.

>>3370171
Y-y-you, too!

>>3370017
depends. If have several studio monitors of different sizes and age.The newer and the larger ones tend to stay cooler. My old Barco CVS 14" however get's quite hot on top ...
Btw why do you ask /vr/ how hot your PVM gets?? Just test it yourself ....

>>3370051
get an extron emotia and and extron RGB interface.
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

>>3370202
Well it's not gonna get hot unless it's in use for a bit. And I tend to forget things like that after playing vidya for a while. So I wanted to ask ahead of time.

>>3370546
merely the sun can fuck up weaboo figures
so i wouldnt do it

Looking good.

>>3370829
burn in?

>>3370838
None at all.

>>3370074
>The real question is, how long until we go from free CRTs on every street corner, to them being harder to find and worth something again?
We are already getting there. In my metropolitan area, no one was giving away a free CRT anywhere for months on end, and I settled for paying $20 for the one I got. I was thankful to get it too, since it has s-video and good picture, and wasn't some 14inch VCR combo.

>>3370889
We are already there.

Only old people have CRTs, and they usually look like shit.

>>3370546
I seriously doubt it'll get hot enough to melt plastic unless you have soap figurines. Just make sure you don't put enough on top to cover up most of the vents, if there are any.

Can someone recommend me a scaler for my composite NES that isnt the framemeister

i want to use it on my PC CRT

>>3370546
I have a cheap Play Arts Kai Yuffie sitting on my OEV203(20M2MDU) and it's perfectly fine. For any normal PVMs, you should be fine. BVMs you might have to be a bit more careful with, specifically if they have an SDI module in them, which tend to create a ton of heat.

This also assumes it's not enclosed in a small space. Heat dissipation is something you have to take into consideration for stuff like this.

>>3370829
Y-You tsuu.

>>3371072
beware of blasters

>>3371062
If i removed some of the modules out of my BVM would it improve the heat?

It has a lot of different cards inside it (older bvm 1310 without an OSD)

but im not sure which are needed for RGB and which arent

>>3371115
Older ones are entirely analog, so they may generate more heat than some of the newer digital ones; Or at least I would think.

Less electronics being run inside will likely lead to less heat generated, but I don't know which cards may be installed or which would be the biggest culprits. Wouldn't hurt taking a photo or two of the back, and someone with a similar vintage set may be able to help you out.
Again though, as an anon said above, testing these things out for yourself is a definite way to see how hot things get: Turn the set on and play some games on it for an hour or two: Feel the top, does it FEEL like it's getting terribly hot? Or if you have access to an infrared thermometer, you could obviously use that.

any good guides on calibrating my crt for optimal picture quality? picked up some old 32 inch panasonic TV.

>>3371128
Oh im a different anon than the figure anon

and yes my BVM gets extremely hot to the touch on the top (but there are heatsinks on the back so its probably ok)
ive fitted a small computer fan inside it and one on the outside both blowing air out

beyond the heat issue, ive just been curious on which of the modules i actually had to have

>>3371140
240p test suite?

>Me,brother, and my neighbor help my mum with groceries
>Neighbor tells us someone has a CRT out for the trash in their front lawn
>jackpot
>All three of us go across the street and haul it towards my house
>CRT looks a little banged up but still looks fine
>Plunge that shit in and test it out
>Works like a charm
>mfw

Alright guys, it's crt TV galore down here right now and erry body giving them away. which one should i aim for?

http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/zip/5658725125.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/5682229909.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/zip/5686415054.html

honorable mentions:

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/5684421412.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/zip/5689422615.html (think this one might be a toshiba or something, can't make out the brand name)

Is there a way for me to get bsnes/higan/whatever fork to output fullscreen at the native resolution? To just have it sync to what the rom wants to output?

Manually setting the monitor to a custom resolution everytime I want to play anything is killer. Why can't it be like mame?

>>3364561
his jokes are terrible.
but his technical know how is pretty good.
and large PVM/BVM collection is pretty unique.

>>3369632
>>3369658
>>3369627
Botique fed/sed is more likely once the patents expire.
After 20 years I'm tired of looking at stabilizing wires to be quite fucking honest. Please fix.

>>3371285
bumpin for this

>>3371285
>>3371409
The KV-27TS32 looks pretty good. The 32'' sets are gonna be heavy, difficult to move both in and out, and unless you're specifically looking for a -LARGER- set like that, more of a bother than anything.
Last one is a Toshiba.

Personally, a free digital converter would be nice, but not worth breaking my back over something I wouldn't have room for anyway.

any Sony fw-900 owners here ?


Okay so I have a chance of buying a Sony fw900 locally for around 100$

Now I know when I come I will check if-the monitor is hot that tells me he was worming it on, which is or is not a good sign ,despite it has to be on for at-least 30 minutes to use image restore function on it

now what are the things I should look out when buying a second hand crt (fw900), colors, contrast,sharpness geometry, but how can I define those things if they are good or not ? my own judgement

Now the seller said he uses it very rarely, but I will say this, he said it will need calibration so he seems to know what hes talking about and said I can test it out and look at it before purchasing which means he has nothing to hide so theres a +

Now IF ITS shit or used up too much i think I could get the 100$ back if i sell it as spares to keep other good fw900 runing considering on rarity, mainly the electronics.

What programs can I use to test it, now Im gonna have a laptop with me to test it and Im afraid the laptop will not put out a signal strong enough to test the monitor fully to its potential ?


what are the most common symptoms of failing on these fw900 ?

>>3371559
>100$
>currency after the value.
This is a 18+ website..

>>3371559

at 100 you're getting a good deal considering the rarity of them

>>3371564

take that jealousy else where

>>3371334
well, he's a massive person. He's absolutely not how you'd imagine the average nerd and i really like that. Knows his stuff, is technical and kind of a badass. And don't forget he's the type of person to carry a PVM around to play at the hotel when he's on field service. Great guy.

>>3371559

anyone

>>3371724
Nokia monitor test

>>3371757
doesn't work on modern windows

use eizo monitor test instead

So I've noticed a couple things about the picture on my recently obtained PVM.

First, and this is most noticeable up close on black screens, there's two thick horizontal lines running up vertically. It's kind of like that effect you get when filming a CRT screen with a camera, except it's... Not on a camera.

Second, there's a sort of vertical "ripple" at the center of the screen, going downwards. It's very subtle, but I still notice it from time to time.

What I want to know is, is it my PVM or is this some of that scart interference I've heard others complain about? I ended up buying a cheap cable because I was on a bit of a budget for the moment. I can buy better cables soon, but I want to know if that's the likely cause before I go sinking more money into this.

>>3371790

those lines are probably a signal problem, weird lines appearing out of nowhere are more common on LCD

about the ripple probably bad capacitors more specifically filter caps dont filter out the mains enough thats when you get ripple

>>3371809
>Signal problem
So is that the cable then?

>bad capacitors
>filter caps
This sounds bad. Really bad. What are my options?

>>3371827

try replacing the cable


just learn how to solder and you will be fine

>>3365859
>>3363235
I can't believe this guy posts the same thing every thread and STILL manages to get replies.

>>3371871
Wait, you're talking about bad capacitors in the scart cable then?

I thought you meant in the PVM. Which scared the shit out of me.

>>3371895

no in the power supply in the PVM, ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS THO

>>3371897
I see. I only asked since google turned up some posts about putting capacitors into scart leads or some shit.

But yeah, I'll order a new cable in a few days and report back. Feeling better about this now.

I really need to stop trying to cheap out with this shit. It's only making me spend more in the long run.

>>3371910
>It's only making me spend more in the long run.
That's because you fell for the scart meme.

>>3371920
Even with my tiny issues it's still 10,000x better than I ever had with composite. Especially if said composite is on an HDTV. Find me a guy who's selling bnc cables for game consoles and I'll buy, but there's no way I'll be learning how to do that shit myself anytime soon.

>>3370829

>>3372035
>>3372039
Looks good, man. I can't for the life of me get my PVM's geometry to look that perfect.

It's really bad that pretty much no PAL-console seems to have shipped with a SCART-cable even though all of them except the NES was RGB-capable. It was usually shipped with a RCA-to-SCART adapter. The worst examples of this are the Xbox and the Xbox 360, which shipped with branded converters. This was obviously no off-the-shelf part, they made them specifically for that console, why not just make a SCART-cable then?

>>3371339
>fed/sed
Who gives a shit?
Give me a Laser Beam Steering TV already that's the new CRT

>>3372053
This one is former stock from a broadcaster so it was pretty well adjusted when I got it. I just tweaked the brightness a little to suit video games.

>>3369912
I don't remember anything particularly with neon lighting in ff7 tho

>>3369912
Scanlines are gorgeous.

>>3370051
Look into soft15khz/crt_emudriver
Also see >>3370212

I doubt it will make garbage like Undertale look that much better though

are there no Sony fw900 owners here ??

Scanlines are meme, so I'll be fine with OLED in the future.

>>3372616
What makes you think OLED displays won't have all the same issues that flat panels of today have when it comes to real hardware? The image will still have to be scaled to the display's native resolution, and as usual built in scalers will detect 240p as 480i and use non-integer scaling. You'll get better colors and I'm sure it'll look great with high end scalers like the rgb mini but aside from that I don't get all the people who act like OLED is going to be some magic technology that will mysteriously alleviates all the issues of flat panels.

>>3372652
OLED with a scaler
Everyone who is waiting for OLED is talking about OLED with a scaler.

>>3372616
>>3372616
afaik lag on the current OLED-displays is a nightmare ... way worse than LCD and LED!

>>3372868
They're probably going to be like plasmas where the early ones are complete trash but later ones are really good. I've got a 2009 Panasonic plasma that's great for 720/1080p content, minimal lag with enhancement settings on.

>>3372616
used Y/C tv, free-almost free. $50-60 to have it prof calibrated by a shop.

20"+ Pro Monitor
$50-$500. calibration is usually the same cost

oled tv-$3000+ scaler $300+

hmm?

>>3362784
Get a gscartsw

The colors on Composite SDI are fucking shit on my JVC, it's like night and day even after 45 minutes of fucking with the settings

>>3372968
WHat kind of fucking retards pay someone to 'calibrate' their TV?

>3000
hence the word future
they wont be 3000 by the time that CRTs arent around.

>>3372974
it's easier than fucking with it yourself. Have you even done convergence purity, geometry and focus on an old tube set? it's a pain and my local shop has it done same day, done perfect with the proper equipment. I used to do it myself and still do on found tv's to get them close but I just bring the good ones in to get them done. it's not expensive and they usually have it done the next day.

>>3372065
I give a shit. CRT's are only getting harder to find.
>laser scanning tv
Not going to see that as a botique item.

>>3373147
Wasn't there only one consumer laser TV ever made? I think it was Pioneer or something, and had a lot of issues.

Got a question for this thread.

What should I be paying for a ~30" TV nowadays? Are people still giving them away for free as long as you're willing to haul it out of their basement yourself, or are they getting rare enough that they are worth money again?

>>3373193
It wasn't a laser scanning tv. It was a rear projection tv that used lasers instead of lamps as their light source.
Mitsubishi made a couple models before calling it quits.

The tech lives on in projectors but again it's not the theoretical scanning tv people talk about.

Took a bunch more pics of this Ikegami. Only one turned out not crap.

>>3373276
I got these speakers to go with it. Got them for $5 at Savers, and only paid #5 on amazon for the amp pcb. The sound is meh, but fine for arcade games.

>>3371482
your'e right. ad is still up, contacting about the KV-27TS32. thanks sir.

>>3373287
forgot pic

>>3373205
paid $50 for a mitsu 35" console tv but only because it was cool looking and had all the original papers, reciept and warranty. It was $1,799 in 1989 so I think it was a decent deal.

>>3373205
If it's not a (P/B)VM then you shouldn't pay more than $100

I'd pay up to $450 for a decent PVM-2950 though desu senpai

Scaler with composite input that isnt the framemeister?
I want to play my un-modded NES on my PC CRT

>>3373483
http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=in1508&s=4

How well do you guys think this will scale?

>>3373205
>Are people still giving them away for free as long as you're willing to haul it out of their basement yourself, or are they getting rare enough that they are worth money again?
Check your local craigslist/wantads and tell us. We don't know what your local area is like. Like I mentioned in the battlestations thread, I spent months looking for a CRT with S-video that was larger than 14 inches. I ended up paying $20 for my 31 inch. Other people have multiple free large CRTs available in their area. You need to look for yourself.

>>3373483
>http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=in1508&s=4
too expensive.

a dvdo iscan + v2 or hd should handle single field okay for under a hundo used.

>>3373572
feel your pain I'm in rural alaska and crt's are non existant. I probably own 75% of the ones in my area now.

>>3373576
http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_6_1/dvdoiscan.html

>Find a 16:9 SONY BVM
>According the serial number on back, it's 724/1000, meaning only 1000 were produced
>less than half of those probably still exist

I think at some point someone is going to have to compile a list where you can submit your BVM number with pictures. I never realized just how rare these 1000 line BVMs were.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-14/japan-last-vhs-video-tape-recorder-maker-ends-production-this-month/.104283

R I P faithful companion

>>3371227
Your post is worthless without a pic or model number

>>3371140
Google the service menu, tweak the geometry. Be careful though anon make sure you know what your doing so you don't fuck it up

>>3371937
I can't check your model no. right now, but does your PVM only have BNC inputs? Could you troubleshoot it with something other than SCART? Don't want you to waste more money if you don't have too anon.

>>3371140
>>3373857
write everything down before you adjust anything so you have a baseline to return to.

/r/ the deflection/gemetry adjustment cheat sheet

>>3373879
What, this one?

>>3371559
You can throw a grid pattern on the screen to get an idea of the focus, geometry and convergence

Common point of failure is the flyback

Bad focus, or pops and bad focus are some of the signs of a bad flyback

>>3374185

well I already went and picked it up. Barely fits in my car got it for around 100 euro and considering there even more rare here in Europe I think it was a good deal

it powers up fine no problem, and I actaully had to wait to get the monitor to warm up before I could use the image restore function, but I could test he monitor fully cause laptop doesnt have a graphic card that can run a beaast like that to its full potential

>>3374508

here is the test pattern on it and seems ok, the guy said it needs calibration but dont you need one of those things to put in middle of sreen or something ?

>>3374518

also forgot to mention im gonna open it up and closely examine all the electronics that will give me a good indication of how much the monitor was in actual use and re-adjust everything except convergence it seems fine


Have to hook this monitor up to a real PC to see how good it is, I have a new old stock Lacie 22" and there is a noticable difference when i connect a laptop to it and then a PC

>>3371140
>>3373043
>>3373857
>>3373879

I hate this thread sometimes

>>3374518
Looks perfect from the pic anon
That grid is probably as good as any

I always have to adjust the focus on sets I pick up though.

>>3373578
Anon you responded to here. I live in California, in a large city. The age of free/cheap CRT's worth getting everywhere is rapidly coming to an end, if not over already. I'm honestly tempted to grab one of those crappy 14 inch coax-only CRT's just so I have something if my 31 inch goes down, since I'm not sure if I can find another for cheap when that happens.

Fuck this game. Made it up to the final boss only to find out he has 3 forms. Never beat it.

I found a nice 15-inch TV in a thrift store today, 50 SEK, which is a little less than 6 USD. It has 2 SCART-ports and 2 RCA, and it looks great. It's not a PVM, but those are hard to find here, and it seems to be more or less impossible to change how the image looks unless there's some kinda hidden service menu, but it will have to do for now.

>>3374529

Be careful anon. Messing with the insides of Tube TVs & monitors can KILL YOU. They're basically giant lightbulbs/batteries that hold a shit ton of AC.

I'm sure you know what you're doing though.

>>3374529
good luck get behind all that shielding

>>3373929
yes, ty anon
>>3374690
eh I still have a 27" that we had when I was a kid, still working. I'd hold out for at least a s-video set. I hear ya though, most have been thrown away and only old hoarders have any left. I feel very lucky to have found a working 35" even if my friends think I'm crazy. Here's the last 3 sets I went through, all flat with compomnent, Sanyo and the Trinitron were free, paid $10 for the Samsung at a thrift store. probably a year of searching between the 3. Gave the samsung away and kept the other two

>>3374978

it cant kill you not enough current but it can shock you thats for the big red lead, but the power suplly is a different story

>>3374992
just screws

I still didnt get it out of the car is just too heavy, havent got the closest clue how Im gonna get this thing up the stairs to the attic

Why was RGB not present on any American consumer TVs? Most consoles and VCRs render an RGB-signal internally that's turned into composite or whatever, so wouldn't it have been much simpler than that S-video bullshit?

>>3375091
Keep in mind, most consoles from that era up until PS1/Saturn/N64 shipped with RF coax A/V cords. You had to go out and buy composite cords for your SNES. Unless you were an A/V enthusiast, you were probably using coax back then. My PS1 was the first system I remember coming with composite cables. And most people didn't bother using s-video except those using SVHS or Laserdisc. Many didn't see the point in component until HD video/DVD started becoming a thing.

>>3372072
what TV on the pic?

>>3375112
>You had to go out and buy composite cords for your SNES.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. PAL-consoles usually came with RCA-cables and a SCART-adapter, at least later consoles, not good. The Xbox and Xbox 360 came with a branded converter, obviously not an off the shelf part.

>>3375091
>VCRs render an RGB-signal internally
Even if for whatever reason a VCR were to pull together an RGB signal internally, it's still dealing with what is essentially a composite based signal at best for standard VHS and S-Video for S-VHS.

It wasn't seen as necessary since the entire country used one video standard and could standardize on an existing connector(eventually), the standard Phono/RCA. Higher video quality would have been wonderful but was seen as an unnecessary complication and expense. Easier to just stick with "good old NTSC"
Europe on the other hand had a mishmash of different standards, both with the video signals themselves(PAL/SECAM) and the connectors themselves.

>>3375112
>or Laserdisc
Which is ironic since that's pure composite straight up.

>>3375112
no the snes came with composite cord, you had to buy a rf adapter. Not sure about the Jr. I already had a snes when it came out.
The genesis came with an rf adapter and you had to buy the a/v cable.

There was an oem s-video cable available stateside for the snes but I never saw one until the n64 and boy was I excited when it worked on the snes too! Also there was an adapter for the n64 that plugged onto the multi out and let you use the rf adapter as it had no coaxial out on the console itself.

>>3375125
I thought VHS was s-video quality at best? while laserdisc is composite at best

>>3375128
>adapter for the n64
NUS-003

I remember using that for my Gamecube for the longest time.

>>3375145
Laserdisc is pure composite video. Period

VHS has some separation between luma and chroma, but they are ultimately run together. It also has reduced horizontal resolution(TVL) to save bandwidth. S-VHS increased the bandwidth available, and as such increases the available horizontal resolution as well.

com·fy
ˈkəmfē
adjective - informal
Playing NES RPG's at your desk late at night.

>>3375158
vhs can look decent run through a line doubler, heres El Dorado on a denon a/v reciever with tbc line doubler. I want a svhs player but not enough to order one from ebay.

>>3375170
I never said it didn't.

I wish I knew how to fix my S-VHS player. It still played tapes last time I checked, but it's like there's some wacky field mismatch going on, along with some horizontal shaking for whatever reason.

>>3375207
have you tried a head cleaner? my standard vhs gets wonky sometimes when I play an old found tape and gum it up. I ran out of the "solution" but 99% iso seems to work fine.

>>3375169
Agreed!

>>3375170
>>3375207
>>3375210
Why are you guys messing around with VHS-players?

>>3375169
Exactly.

>>3375145
>>3375158
>>3375125
>>3375170

Laserdisc did had superior picture quality to VHS, though. And a lot of LD Players had adjustable comb filters built in as well.

Could I use one of those graphics cards with the S-video ports for emulating interlaced consoles? like dreamcast or PS2

how old are you guys?

>>3375503
24

>>3375128
>no the snes came with composite cord, you had to buy a rf adapter.
This is NOT true. The early SNES's came with the RF adapter, the later SNES's came with composite. Got my SNES around 94-95, and it came with the RF adapter. I never had a cable for my A/V multiout until I got an s-video cable last year.

>>3375145
SVHS is S-video quality, LD is standard-def RF/composite quality, but doesn't suffer from the degradation and distortion you get with VHS.

>>3375501
As long as you are outputting to a resolution and frequency your TV can accept, yes.

>>3375503
31.

>>3375238
I have a decent number of old VHS tapes, and they look quite nice on a decent CRT. You also have the people who watch content that was/is only available via VHS, be it old anime or whatever.

>>3375210
It doesn't seem to be dirty heads. As far as I can tell, they're squeaky clean.

I finally decided to open it up, and I can actually get the picture to go back to normal by loosening one of the two screws in the center of the video head assembly and applying pressure towards the downward leaning side of it. It brings the two fields back into alignment and gets rid of the horrible jitter. Sadly, I have no way to retighten them in this configuration, and as soon as I move, the picture goes back to the way it was.

Is it possible that the proper screws for adjusting this would be on the bottom of the assembly, or?

Video of the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfySYHZs0eU

>>3375503
23 as of a few days ago.

>>3375656
Laserdisc picture quality was miles ahead of VHS. It was a composite signal but had nearly double the TVL resolution of a standard VHS tape, and is about on-par with SVHS. Plus, laserdisc was capable of digital audio.

>>3371285
>>3371482
well guys i'm back again.

picked up the KV-27TS32. really nice set, lots of inputs, overall picture is really nice. but just learned it has a bit of screen burn in on it. the number "6" is burned in on the top right. pain in the fucking ass, but wondering which one of these tv's to keep now. i have a sony, and a panasonic. I'll post pics of each one.

>>3375672
I know, but you still don't get much use out of s-video with laserdisc. You do notice it more with SVHS though. Still prefer LD to SVHS.

>>3375682
Most high-end models that have the S-Video port have 3D Comb Filters with adjustable settings, which do a pretty good job.

Hey, I figured out the issue with my PVMs and VGA. TLDR: Buy an Extron SS 200.

They're all multiscan and display 31.5 khz component no problem, but I was getting a weird, distorted image when I tried to display 640x480. I tried my dreamcast and several laptops as the source, and tried each of my three multiscan monitors, but always got the same oddly washed-out result no matter how I connected it. I tried straight H-sync, H and V into a T-connector, and an extron 150, all same issue.

I found a post on shmups saying I needed an Extron SS 200, turns out that did the trick just great after messing with the front panel switches.

Looks fucking great. Stoked I don't have to buy a separate monitor or questionable transcoder to play dreamcast and 98-era PC games the right way.

>>3375112
>You had to go out and buy composite cords for your SNES.
>>3375128
>no the snes came with composite cord, you had to buy a rf adapter.
>>3375656
>This is NOT true. The early SNES's came with the RF adapter, the later SNES's came with composite.

For what it's worth, I'm 100% certain my launch SNES came with both RF and composite cables. The NES (at least the Action Set) also came with both.

>>3375674
sony

>>3375721
panasonic

>>3375721

sony looks higher resolution to me

also less blown-out contrast, but that could be a settings issue

>>3375721
sony 2

>>3365102
>>3365104
>>3365109
>>3365110
>>3365113
>>3365117
>>3365124
>>3365128
>>3365220
>>3365224
Nobody wants to take a guess at what these are?

>>3375763

>>3375707
I have a SNES bought in december of 94 or 95 and it only came with an RF cable. Still have the complete box and instructions which the quick install sheet doesnt even show a multi a/v cord only the RF and how to daisy chain with the original NES.

>>3375764
gex
not retro gamecube stuff
rogue squadron (good shit)

>>3375813
Not sure why he didn't put it where someone is more liable to actually read it, but based on the filenames, it's a matter of "guess the display".

>Quality 62 jpeg
Jesus

>>3365104
>>3375846
well it looks like a slot mask too me.