/vr/ - Retro Games

Not retro, will never be retro.

>>3365592
Fucking stop, holy shit.

Handhelds were typically two generations behind other consoles. The DS is essentially a portable n64.

>>3365592
This image is dumb and you're dumb for posting it.

>>3365589
Seeing as hiro doesn't give a fuck about /vr/, the sticky will never get updated and we'll be stuck with pre-y2k games forever

Retro is irrelevant. That term is outmoded. It's archaic. Retro by definition is 15 years or older.

Crude 2D Gaming
-Magnavox Odyssey, Pong
This era was dominated by Table Tennis type games. This is the era where gaming is in it's infancy.

Early 2D Gaming
-Atari 2600, Colecovision, Intellivision, etc.
This era was dominated by early 2D Gaming. This is the era where gaming begins to evolve.

Polished 2D Gaming
-NES, Sega Master System, Atari 7800, etc.
This is the era where 2D gaming is perfected. The best games of all time are released for these systems, ported to these systems, and true multi-generation franchises are born as well as modern gaming iconography and modern characters.

Upgraded 2D Gaming, Crude 3D Gaming
-Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, etc.
This is the era where 2D Gaming is continually evolving. Bigger stories, longer games, better graphics, more colors. Very crude, rudimentary 3D begins mostly on the Genesis, but then on the SNES with the FX chip and SVP chip on the Genesis. Modern game design begins, but is limited due to the controllers at the time - (one of the quoted reasons Mario 64 was moved to the Nintendo 64)

Dying 2D Gaming, Early 3D Gaming
-Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, PlayStation
This is the era that 2D begins to die, and the era that arcade ports are starting to fade as arcades themselves die out.

We are introduced to modern gaming, 3D analog sticks, and fully exploitable multi-level, huge and massive worlds that could never have existed before. Games span multiple CDs and can take days to complete. Memory cards become standard as many games now take multiple days to complete.

Polished 3D Gaming
-Dreamcast, Xbox, GameCube, etc.
This is the era where modern gaming is expanded upon, with the advent of faster internet speeds and the Dreamcast popularizing internet out of the box. Everything is kept from the previous era, but polished and made to look better, flow better, and feel better, including physics and more powerful hardware.

>>3365592
It is 240p on GB player, no online and alot of titles have heavy arcade influence. Faggot

>>3365589
>came before the big 3 6th gen consoles

PS2 came out in 2000.

>>3365604
Seems like your right about the term retro. It can't hold forever and it's best to use terms like console generation or classify them by capability

>>3365604
>3D begins
>4th gen

Oh hey check the underage.

>>3365597
If only it could play N64 games...

>>3365620
3rd gen consoles couldn't do 3D.

>>3365625
Yeah... shit would be so cash... too bad it never got any N64 games though.

>>3365613
That is true, both March 2000 I believe. Even so, it's a part of the 6th generation and one console from that gen is considered retro and is...6 or 7 months older?

>>3365620
>Turbo Kourier
>A shitty arcade game from 1986 that required the Mandala Virtual World System to run
>A box the size of a bathroom

What does that have to do with home video game consoles

>>3365620
>3D Begins
>Turbo Kourier

Oh hey check the underage.

>>3365631
ok m8

>>3365631
Your entire list can be summed up much more simply.
1st - 5thgen Attempting to emulate the Arcade at home

6thgen - + Attempting to emulate the PC.

>>3365642
That's a game from 1991, and it was for PC and Mac.

What the fuck are you doing

>>3365637
>>3365641
Fact is arcades had 3d in the late 80s

>>3365642
You posted a literally unplayable, cancelled NES game that only has still shots available. The game couldn't run on NES hardware.

>>3365652
But the post he responded to was about home video game console generations, and had nothing to do with what was available in the arcades.

>>3365631
>>3365642

Also check old 8-bit computers.
3D isn't hard much, but tile-based machines have problems to show it because you can't directly set pixels.

>>3365645
https://www.unseen64.net/2010/06/13/chuck-yeagers-fighter-combat-nes-cancelled/
And there was Elite for NES.

>>3365654
I'm not underage. When I grew up arcades were huge. I don't think about one without the other.

>>3365658
Yeah, okay, but the post is about HOME CONSOLE GENERATIONS DEVELOPING 3D, NOT ARCADES.

>dude posts something that is irrefutable

>10 spergs come out and strawman and move goalposts and talk about arcades

OH LOOK, A THREAD ABOUT HOME VIDEO GAME CONSOLES... I KNOW... I'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT ARCADES HAVE.

IN MY OPINION, EACH ARCADE GAME IS A HOME VIDEO GAME CONSOLE GENERATION BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY THE ARCADE CABINET AND TAKE IT HOME AND PLAY IT IN YOUR LIVING ROOM

I'M NOT UNDERAGE, I DID THIS ALL THE TIME AS A KID. ARCADES ARE TRULY THE BEST HOME VIDEO GAME CONSOLES MONEY CAN BUY.

>>3365659
Retro consoles are very closely linked to arcade.

A modern comparison is this console generation and it's close ties to PC games. You can't talk about the PS4 for example without mentioning PC ports.

>>3365668
Okay, so, when someone posts about home video game consoles, don't talk about arcades.

Fuck off. This isn't an arcade thread.

>>3365667
>I'm underage and I live in a bubble with my consoles and ecelebs. No arcades here!

>>3365672
Right so arcade ports can't be talked about?

Some crazy underage hipster shit right there, kiddo.

>>3365673
Home consoles were specifically designed to miniaturize arcade cabinets so you could play arcade games in the home.

Home video game consoles are a distinct and specific departure from arcade cabinets and arcade hardware, the very nature of both of the industries refutes the other, and is the same reason why arcades have died while home consoles still live.

If you do not understand this basic fact, that when discussion pertains to home consoles, it is distinct from arcade cabinets, you are a fucking idiot and are either pushing a false narrative, trying to move the goalposts, or are avoiding addressing an argument head on.

No one brought up arcades except this fool here
>>3365620

He used an arcade game to refute a post about home video game consoles.

That's called a logical fallacy.

>>3365678
Hey, you're the LCD faggot. You can fuck right off.

Here's my idea for a new rule system on /vr/: get rid of the current rules and instate a rolling update that considers anything released more than ten years ago as retro, and change the "retro hardware" to "retro software". That way we can discuss pre-2006 games, but not 2012 PS2 games on /vr/.

What do you guys think?

>>3365681
Oh hey the beaner who didn't know what ANSI is.

>>3365679
this guy always posts the same thing dude
last time someone posted the argument he posted virtua fighter as the example

he is a well known troll who always does this.

>>/vr/thread/S3281759#p3281926

Why do you guys fucking respond in threads where Fire Emblem guy posts? Stop doing it.

>>3365684
Perfect goddamn idea

>>3365679
>Home consoles were specifically designed to miniaturize arcade cabinets so you could play arcade games in the home.
How can you talk about them with the mentioning arcades then?

>>3365684
I'm fine with this.

>>3365693
how the fuck

is an arcade game that utilizes 3D graphics

an example of a home video game console

using 3D graphics

>>3365693
Because the discussion is about when home video game consoles become retro, and has nothing to do with arcade cabinets, nor are arcade cabinets referenced at any point in the generations of home video game or portable video game consoles.

>>3365689
He specifically posts that shit to derail the thread.

Just learn not to reply when he brings up an obscure arcade game next time.

>>3365631
Any turing complete computer can do 3d. The only question is at what efficiency, eg. how long it takes and how complex/good looking it can be. I've seen bump mapped environmental lightning being done on a C64, but it also had commercial vector games.

>>3365697
Not sure where you're getting the idea that arcades are home consoles.
>>3365706
>and has nothing to do with arcade cabinets
PlayChoice 10? There's so many examples..
Arcades and retro home consoles are linked.

>>3365712
ya, I realize, just saying when it was commercially available/viable

>>3365709
> an obscure arcade game next time.
Millennials consider virtua fighter to be obscure now?

Hmm learn something new everyday I guess.

>>3365715
Let me help you.
>>3365604
This anon posted a nice description of why the term "retro" is meaningless when pertaining to console generations 1 through 6.

This anon responded
>>3365620
By posting an example of 3D in an arcade cabinet.


>PlayChoice 10? There's so many examples
A backwards engineered NES put into an arcade cabinet.

Name 10 more.

>>3365718
>Mom, I'm a master 4chan troll! Maybe if I reference Virtua Fighter, he'll get derailed and I can move shit around and make them think the post wasn't calling Turbo Kourier obscure!

>>3365719
Labeling video game advancements by home console is pretty pointless when in retro times 90% of it was in the arcades.
>Name 10 more.
See SEGA

>>3365720
I mean can you not read a post chain? The post it was quoting (the one with trump) was clearly talking about Virtua Fighter.

>>3365721
On the contrary, labeling video game advancements by home console when describing when home consoles could perform 2D or 3D is pretty perfect and has nothing to do with arcades.

In fact, when listing advancements in the home console industry, you have to define what home console generations could perform 2D and 3D first.

So, I have no idea what you're talking about.

So holy fuck, yeah, GBA should be retro

>>3365727
Except I was the one who posted that, and I was referencing his usage of an obscure bullshit arcade system to derail this particular thread.

His usage of Virtua Fighter last time still had nothing to do with anything, because crude 3D was available on the Genesis before Virtua Fighter was released to begin with.

>>3365734
No it shouldn't.

>>3365730
>home console industry
The same industry that was making arcade games?

Where can I pick up a pair of those retardation blinders btw? I'd imagine my outlook of the world would improve greatly if I had the same prescription blinders that you're using.

>>3365721
Wow, SEGA made tons of arcade games? Why did they make home consoles then?

>>3365742
>The same industry that was making arcade games?

Oh fuck... You're right...
It even says right here the third generation of home consoles included over 100 different arcade machines...

I wonder why we never saw these in sears or target or kmart as kids?