/vr/ - Retro Games

>physical media
As opposed to eternal magic media?

Even some of my cheap burnable discs are still in good shape.

>>3341178
Gee, sure is nice that my N64 uses carts.

>>3341178
console cucks BTFO

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>Made in U.S.A
There's your problem

>>3341224

Theyre durable as hell, i had one beaten up copy of mario 3 missing on a dank attic for over 20 years before i found it and it still works

>>3341178
Disc rot is only a problem of a batch of Philips CDs from the early 90s. Even then it's not so bad, I've got one "rotting" CD at home and it's only bronzed during the 13 years of its existence and plays still fine.

>>3341178
Wtf dude, shut the hell up, Nintendo always makes quality products that lasts a persons life !

>>3341221
Same here. Plus if one ever breaks or rots, I just burn a new one. I'm far more concerned about the ever decreasing number of working consoles.

>>3341371
ironic falseflag shitposting is still shitposting

>>3341247
PCs use CDs/DVDs also and any argument you have can be applied to the console BTFO

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>>3341403
They used floppy disks which are save from disc rot (since they are disks and not discs).

>>3341406
>They used floppy disks

Consoles at the time used cartridges.

>>3341403
My PC uses Blu-ray disc. Does yours?

>>3341414
I think my other laptop might have a Bluray drive, yeah.

>>3341420
Wait, mine's a Blu-ray disc burner, not BD-ROM.
>>3341361
I've disc rot on some DVDs, Laserdiscs, HD DVDs, and a couple Blu-rays. It's the glue/adhesive for bonding which fucks up.

dvds dont suffer disc rot assclown

>>3341406
Okay this is just going too far
>implying a floppy disk's jacket is better protection than the plastic coating pressed optical media is encased airtight within

Manufacturing defects can happen with any media and I will concede that on 3DO and CDi games it's probably a good idea to at least look at the disc before you buy since in my experience numbers approaching 5% of those games show defects. Sega CDs including Saturn present occasional pressing errors as well. I don't find GD-roms to be this way and I suspect that by the 6th gen manufacturing standards improved but at the same time denser data means more susceptibility to physical damage and better polishing levels required (thus the explosion of resurfacing machines) and now that 6th gen lasers are running low across the board I think we see DVD roms with minor wear and tear being put into consoles with dim lasers causing a lot of people to call disc rot where in fact there is none

tl;dr I'll be happy to buy any and all optical media for pennies on the dollar from anyone who thinks disc rot is gonna get them - other than those idiots who leave their loose discs in their moldy basement then shirk responsibility by claiming disc rot got 'em

>>3341440
The difference is that floppy disks store data magnetically so they are constantly repaired by magnetic fields.
CDs on the other hand use pits which are eroded by the scanning laser just like a record is scratched by the needle.

>>3341463
This.
I can re-write my Amiga disks, and they're just like new.

>>3341440
Thats not the point


The point is that digital data locked inside deprecated medium is doomed to failure

optical discs are.specially annoyng because mishandling gradually damages it,

Carts Roms can be safely backup up nowadays but thats mostly because of logarithmic data density inxrease in past eras, but still generation 6th and even 7th can be backup up in a single hdd but u cant play ur backups without modding the console...
And you can even have trouble obtaining second hand original copy with no scratches that would hinder a perfect backup.

hdvdv and blurays will be a bitch in the futire. Hdd density growth keeps diminishing and the consoles and media copy prptection are much more complex

>>3341463
>>3341470
But that's wrong. Oxidation will compromise the magnetic qualities of the media. The only advantage is the astronomically lower data density. You can hack checksums with a pin for fuck's sake.

>>3341496
>muh cloud
let the grid go down i don't need it

>>3341178
Who gives a fuck? All my disc consoles are chipped and I have a softmodded Wii for Gamecube games.

>>3341340
I've seen some beaten as fuck carts work in some beaten as fuck consoles. As long as the contacts are good and all the capacitors are there, there's nothing stopping it from working.

Bit rot my ass.

>>3341221
i have a copy of raiden project from 1994 that still plays. its on a cheapo maxell disc too

>>3341178
>nintendont
>hdd
>latest complete iso redump

>>3341520
Moisture can definitely cause PCB traces to lift and separate.

I'm really fucking tempted to buy a spindle of 1.5GB DVDs so I can burn GameCube games to them. But why should I?

>>3341361
this

Take care of your shit and it'll last well past your lifetime.

OP retardeth

>>3341587
Yup. Unless if some discs go bad cause of manufacturer error, it's not your fault.

>>3341534
Literally this.

With 6th gen consoles you have no excuse. PS2: fat console + HDD + softmod, Xbox: softmod, DC: no copy protection.

>>3341534
>hdd
finite lifespans

>>3341178
>Tony Visconti

Fair play, he produced some of Bowie's classic hits.

That's what happens when you leave your games in your parents garage for 10 years. Leave them inside and they will be fine.

>>3341224
Are n64 carts subject to lost data like snes carts?

You always can make a copy of a hard drive.
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>>3341663
>DC: no copy protection.
But GD-ROMs can store more data than CDs, can't they?

>>3341758
Few games actually use more than 700MB though.

>>3341758
GD-ROMS are 1GB each. Sega should've used the DVD spec instead of making their own optical disc format. At least GameCube used Mini-DVDs.

>>3341804
>Sega should've used the DVD spec
And pay negotiations to Sony?

>At least GameCube used Mini-DVDs.
They are kinda custom.

>>3341804
Would it have made any difference to the DC's fate?

>>3341773
What are they?

>>3341178
I am. I have CDs from long before you were born that are in perfect condition and will be for decades to come.
I'm also enjoying the regular disc rot threads started by MP3 babies who have never actually used a CD. It's always a good laugh to see millennials be millennials.

>>3341406
>using floppy dicks

>>3341809
Sony aren't the only ones who are part of the DVD Forum.
>>3341813
I have no idea.

>>3341406
>magnets how do they work

>burn game to cd
>put game back in case
>pretend like nothing happened

>>3341809
>>3341804
IIRC, the GameCube reads GCN discs in the opposite direction.

>>3341539
Some of us take care of the things that we own, you filth piggy.

>>3341178
Yes because I don't store my stuff in a dank swamp.

>>3341178
I wish we had janitors.

>>3342091
We do but he's too busy deleting posts that are opinions he doesn't like instead of actually getting rid of shitposting.

JUUST

Sega CD, Saturn and early CD-Rom DOS collector here.

All my discs have been fine for years. Not experienced 1 single issue of disc rot.

What the fuck are you doing to your games?

>>3342140
And those games are supposedly at the highest risk. OP is just perpetuating some boogeyman bullshit.

>>3342104
Are you the same guy from the Doom thread that got assblasted when I posted gameboy Doom?

If so, you got deleted because you were shitposting.

Is it true that gamecube discs were ment to last only 20 years? Or is this just a myth

>>3341718

In theory N64 carts can and will have bit rot eventually. YOU will however not have a problem with it, the carts will outlive you a long long time.

op cares enough about retro gaming to post on a board discussing them exclusively. Yet posts antagonisticly about physical games. The only reason not to have them is lack of funds. before anyone says space. having the space is also linked to funds. Don't get mad. enjoy your rom folders.

>>3342229
you're still a shitty janitor.

>>3342992
Is convenience also linked to funds?

>>3342992
He isn't a janitor. If he was he isn't anymore because janitors are supposed to remain anonymous.

>>3343014
Don't encourage him, he's been trying to get a 3 day ban. By posting in /vr/ for some reason.

>>3341178
I've never had this happen to my discs, maybe you should stop storing yours in your homemade underwater vault OP

>>3342641
It's not true.

>>3341221
I have shitloads of burnt CD-Rs from 2000-2005 (they don't even have a brand. They are generic as fuck) that play perfectly to this day. Disc roth CAN happen but for most of us is a meme.

>>3341178
Why yes, I would like some swiss cheese.

>>3341826
This. Disc rot is a fucking forced meme of colossal bullshit.

>have CD-Rs that I burned 20 years ago
>they werk perfectly fine
Hell, even most floppies I have still work without issues

>>3341178
I don't even own a blu-ray with a scratch and I'm having them for almost 10 years. Try again cartridge cellar kid.

>>3342641
That's longer than all succesful nintendo console eras combined.

>>3341724
You can also copy optical media 1:1. Anyways, I have audio CDs that was manufactured 30 years ago that still play spotlessly. Has anyone really seen disc rot in action? Sure, I've had shit scratched up by retarded family members (fuck you lil sis) but never pure rot.

pass me the disc bro

>>3345668
ewww did u jizz on that?

>>3341178
GOOD THING I HAVE MY SATURN CHIPPED.

>>3345815
literally retarded

You are lying. I have more than 200 PSOne games. This is not true.

>>3341814
Grandia.......... and?

>>3341908
i totally believed this as a 12 year old

>>3346570
>as a 12 year old
So a few months ago?

ITT: Foreign people who live in some desert shithole with high humidity, scorching heat, or other inhospitable and retarded conditions that no sane human should ever really consider settling their civilisation; who also happen to keep their CD's in a sauna.

Daily reminder that if you live anywhere with a more extreme climate than Britain, the north of France, New England or Washington- It's your own fucking fault.

If you don't have a cool, dry place to safely store all your games, then at least keep it stored properly in a covered box with some rudimentary seal, not out on a shelf where the sun will get around to it for at least a few hours a day, and the moisture of the air can get in with no problem. Not up in the attic where the temperature and dust will gradually eat away at them. Not in some damp ass basement.

Jesus are you people chucklefucks or what.

This is why i collect cartridges only

>>3346762
> i am an idiot

>>3341247
NO digital format will last for a long time, fool.

And a CD or DVD will last longer than flash memory of modern shit will. That shit's designed to be disposable and dumped with the next new thing to come out.

>>3346979
Flash memory is actually quite durable.

Since gold doesn't rot a gold CD will last centuries

But most companies decided it's too expensive and never bothered with it even though I wouldn't be surprised if some game devs archive their shit with it.

>>3346979

>what are cloud services

>>3347025
>What is digital storage somewhere else

>>3346997
>Flash memory is actually quite durable


Uhhhhhh, no it's not, bro.

>>3341178
It's your own fault for giving money to Columbia House.

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>>3342229
No I haven't even been in the Doom thread for months since I only pop in once in awhile to see if any cool new mods are out. What is Gameboy Doom

>>3341406
Does no-one realize this was obvious bait?

>>3346979
There are digital formats designed to last thousands of years. There's flash designed to last 100. A pressed CD might last 100 years. CDRs no chance. Especially turds like >>3346998. The gold may not rust bu the dye lasts exactly as long as any other disc that uses the same dye.

>>3348208
>Uhhhhhh
Most intelligent thing you've said. Flash can be very durable. I have flash older than you that's been through pretty harsh conditions and works fine. inb4 you prove this wrong because some counterfeit SD cards you bought on ebay died.

>>3341663
Except those consoles will fail eventually and when they're out of production your only choice is to buy an overpriced one covered with ten years of someone's filth. I have a Wii U which can run native Wii and Gamecube games, but as for the rest, no thanks.

>>3341908
no they're CAV, instead of the usual CLV, you fucknut

>>3341804
IIRC GD-ROMs are kinda like Long Play CD-ROMs. Something about spinning the disc slower.

>>3349836
Fuck off faggot

>>3349742
It's an incredibly well known fact that flash memory is shit.

>Pretty harsh conditions.
What, did your mom wash your skinny jeans with a pen drive in the pocket? Yeah, write to it about 1,000 times and see how well it works now.

>>3350305
It's an incredibly well known fact that underage know a lot of things to be fact that aren't

>write 1,000 games and overwrite your old flash with them.
Why on earth would I do that dingus? Do you not understand what's being discussed ITT?

>>3350408
Yeah, when you start putting words in people's mouths it's pretty obvious you're butt blasted. Yeah, the consequences of keeping your discs in shitty conditions. You brought up flash memory like it's anything special and doesn't suffer from failure.

>>3341178
This has never happened. I see no issues on my long box PS1 games, and those are probably at least 20 years old. It is nice to have retro games on the PC though.

>this triggers /vr/

>>3350420
You're a very confused child. Did your mommy drop you on your head or something?
I didn't bring up flash. However you brought up writing games to it 1,000 times. That is literally the shit that came out of your mouth. No one put it there but you.
I wrote games to flash maybe once or twice ages ago and have no intention of ever rewriting it. Just like I have no intention of using CDRWs for games and rewriting those.

>>3351197
>Your very confused child
Stopped there and ignored. Feels awesome knowing I won.

>>3351197
>>3351917
Actually, read the post for shits.

>I didn't bring up flash however you did

No I didn't. Link back to the post where I did

>You brought up writing games to it 1,000 times
No I didn't. Link back to the post where I did.

>That is literally the shit that came out of your mouth
No it isn't. Link back to the post where it did


>No one put it there but you
You did. Right there in the post I'm responding to

>I wrote games to flash maybe once or twice ages ago
Then you have no experience with it and can stop shilling it

Seeing as I don't keep my discs in 70+% humidity near mold and standing water.

Or rather, I don't spill soda on my games and then never attempt to clean them until years later.

>>3351921
>Actually, read the post
>quotes part of it that don't exist.
When you resort to that you know you've lost.

Pretty sure using flash since before you were born is experience sport.

>>3350305
>write to it about 1,000 times
Shit you actually said

>tfw a few of my dreamcast games have a small bit of disc rot
Fucking sega.

>>3341178
>Electric Angels

Disc knows its contents contain absolute shit and therefore is committing suppuku out of complete shame

>>3349812
Good luck running PS2 and Xbox games from your Wii U (which was the point of that post: preserving 6th gen games via HDD).

There will always be used consoles available to scrap for parts, if a fan or laser dies and the part is out of production. You can fix it yourself, like an adult. No need to buy some ratty abused shit, implying I even would. If you actually take care of your shit there's no need for that anyway. My 20 year old PS1 is still working as well as the day I bought it, same for my almost quarter of a century old Sega CD, but all that's anecdotal.

>>3352938

Good thing that guy figured out how to make a Saturn flash card that plugs into the VCD slot.

>>3353374
Yes. I look forward to not having MPEG capability is games like I do with my 20 year old mod chip. kek.

>>3341178
>underage memes cometh
And here they are

>>3351932
What part didn't exist? Is this some sort of weak troll?

Yeah, just regular write to it. It doesn't have to be games. In fact, it would take far less than 1,000 games to equal 1,000 files.

>>3353703

Things decay, that happens to everything, time to emulate and procreate

>>3355565
How do you divide your time between emulating and procreating? 100%/0% is my guess.

>>3341373
Fuck me, that is scary. It's gonna be even worse in the future since a lot more old consoles will have been scrapped/forgoten and the "newer" generation consoles have such ridiculous failure rates.

how can you make fun of retro physical media when modern solid state drives start dying the moment you begin writing to them

there's a reason tape drives are still being used and developed today for archival backup storage.

>>3356112
That's not the point. Nothing in this world gives more pleasure to a jelly poorfag emubaby than the thought that their "paying for plastic" meme is justified by some actual problem instead of just sour grapes.

Disc rot only happens if you leave your disc out of its case. Seriously, if you are actually responsible with your discs, they will last a long fucking time
The only discs I have that are rotting are a spindle full of Dreamcast (burned) games, and they're easily replacable

I'm pretty sure our disc lasers, spindles, and all those fucking moving parts will die way before our discs. I hate having to buy backup optical drive consoles but meh what can you do?

>>3356724
Drive emulators are an option. They're silly prices now but then again so were floppy emulators a while back. Then the Chinese stepped in and now they're $15. Expect similar prices for optical drive emulators some time int he future.
I don't really mind having spare consoles. It sure beats paying ebay prices for a new drive mechanism a few years down the road. I only by at garage sales and flea markets so I only paid a few bucks each. Space is the main thing. A boxed 2600 takes up almost twice as much space as an xbox.

>>3341426
>a couple Blu-rays
Damn.

>>3345664
My CD of Antichrist Superstar fucking disintegrated when I picked it up after years of being kept on a closet full of records. It was spoopy.

>>3341191
don't act like an asshole, it's an actual term for this shit.

>>3358369
That was the devil's work anon.

but cartridges won't rot...right? ;__;

>>3358419
Only in emubabyland

>>3341191
As opposed to Digital Digital Digital Forever™.

>>3341178
Nice meme. Disc rot is a literal myth.

>>3341178
http://www.newwavetech.com/vendor%20stores/resource_centers/rimage/WhitePapers/CD%20DVD%20Rot.pdf

>>3363339
disc rot isn't a myth, but it occurs due to mistreatment, if you take good care of your CDs it won't happen

>>3341178
I have games I bought from the mid 90s that are still going great without problems. I think you're exaggerating how quickly CDs rot.