/vr/ - Retro Games

Does anyone have a guess as to what model CRT this is? Or a line at least. Looking to upgrade my CRT and this 31 in. Sharp caught my attention. I don't need anything beyond S-Video and this supplies it. Much appreciated

>>3291493
Back of the CRT if it helps. I've tried asking the seller about the model number too but they're a bit slow to respond.

>>3291047
No official one, just Hyperkin brand Wii/PS3 ones. I can't help but feel like these "all-in-one solution" cables aren't made that well.

>>3290979
So should I hunt down the transcoder you have? Or will this one work:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-107113-Component-YpbPr-Converter/dp/B009GUQYBO/

Comments say it works but it slightly scales to match VGA resolution.

Can anyone track down a service manual availible online for a mitsubushi 3501? I can't find anything by googling it.

Anybody have a test-card or something I can somehow display on my Wii? It's hacked obviously.

I've been trying to sort out the geometry on my CRT for ages and it's starting to really tickle my OCD that different games display with different left/right offsets and shit. At least if I know the TV is set up to display the full image at all times, then I can comfortably tell myself that it's the game's fault if something is not properly centred.

>>3291235
Is that a 36"? I have one and it's my primary monitor for retro.

>>3291598
>No official one, just Hyperkin brand Wii/PS3 ones. I can't help but feel like these "all-in-one solution" cables aren't made that well.

low quality or not you will be able to avoid scaling or any digital processing this way
I would say youre more likely to fuck up the image with shoddy scalers and transcoders than a cheap cable

>>3291493
looks like a sharp..but dont know model. does it have internal speakers?

>>3291671
google 240p test suite

>>3291496
I'm not sure but it isn't HD so you should be fine

Dont seem too interested in it to the seller or they might try to spike the price

>>3291493
nice amorphous body posture anon.

Found one of these 16:9 trinitrons, not sure if its worth taking because i already have PVMs, but i found it interesting.

>>3291694
Here is the number, my feeble body probably could carry this monster if i tried.

>>3291695
First tv ive seen with an actual scart input in Australia, not sure if it takes RGB scart though.

>>3291683

Thanks Anon.

>>3291694
>>3291695
>>3291697
I wouldn't call it particularly "interesting" but it is a decent no-frills set with no upscaling or 100hz malarkey to worry about. Digital tuner is a plus if you actually want to watch terrestrial tv on the thing.

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/420629712X.pdf

It takes rgb on scart #1, the other is more of a secondary input and/or vcr loop-through. Oh and hope you're buff, long armed and live in a bungalow as it's 65kg and awkward as hell to carry single-handedly. Good luck ausnon.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/zip/5629139006.html

>hundreds of CRT monitors and televisions for free
>Must take whole pallets

How do I even do this

>>3291906
TAKE ALL THE CRTs

>$130 CAD, so about 100 USD for both. (two BT-H1390Y's)

Not too terrible, actually. I'd probably have happily dropped $50 my YN had I not gotten lucky!

You got great monitors. If you pull the back off of either of 'em, take a picture of the tube label, please. Wondering if the tube is the same as the YN's - I seem to remember but cannot verify now that the YN uses a different phosphor than the Y, and usually you can tell from the part number on the CRT.

Also, can you post a pic of the backs? Wondering when they were manufactured. I'm finding my pics of the inside now so it'll be a minute.

>>3291695
32"? Dayum, son.
Still, weighs way less than a 20" PVM; think yourself lucky. Looks like a good set.

I can't seem to find my internal pics. ah well.

>>3291671
https://mega.nz/#!eoRyBYrY!qUDXCKuvYvUzGCdIFHyaB2tFz6x1LoRK7wMG1mlbs24
WiiMC and a few other players can play DVD video on a Wii.

For cross hatches, you'll want to use the 'fine' one unless you're in 480p. But I prefer this to the 240p suite for corner convergence tests.

>>3291906
Build a CRT fort for us. /crt/ motherbase.

>>3291954
>thinks a 20" pvm is supposed to weigh in excess of 65kg
You got done m8

Those lead bricks next to the flyback? Sony didn't put those in there...

>you will never create a cash grab startup manufacturing brand new professional CRT monitors and selling them to /vr/-tier hipsters for massive profit margins

>>3291686
Not me its up on craigslist haha. I'll probably just end up copping it.

>>3291681
Def sharp. Just trying to figure out the model is all but thanks anyways.

>>3292051
>kg
whoops, I fucked up. Thought that was lbs.

Anyway, my 27" consumer set weighs a lot less than my PVMs so I thought it'd be possible.

pic from last thread, I'm on the road.

>>3291906
you'd want to rent a flatbed trailer or a pickup truck.

If I thought anything was worth going to detroit for, it'd be this.

>>3291678
Looks exactly like my 3730. Definitely posts some photos of it in action once you've got it setup.

>>3291650
If it's anything like any of the other Megaviews I've tried to look up info on, you're not likely to find it.

Manuals for the NECs seem plentiful, but the polar opposite is true for Mitsubishis. I can offer you the pamphlet that I've found for the 3730c, but that's all I currently have.

>>3292152
You mean you don't want to take an action packed trip to Detroit to rustle up some CRTs?

>>3292152
The 2x Panasonics I got in the last thread were in Toronto. ~$100 usd for both, delivered to me.

>>3292593
Going to be doing this with the service manual too. Binding + laminated cover with hard back for $3 at my university.

advice for taking pictures of CRTs? "screenshots" as it were?

>>3292593
Show plz. Also I'm curious who did you get the from, what were they used for?

If I'm planning to connect at least 4 consoles to my pvm, is it worth it to get the more expensive shielded scart cables?

>>3292756
Someone responded to my classifieds ad looking for CRT monitors. I've been looking for a 'pro' crt for almost 2 years now for a reasonable price and have had no luck. They were supposedly acquired from a studio by the guy I got them from (I'm assuming it was free on his end).

These were the ones I posted last thread. Still waiting for my adapter/cables to test them but I'm pretty sure they will be in OK condition. They are nearly perfect cosmetically after giving it a cleanup and it was spotless inside. I will update when I get something connected and get everything calibrated, fingers crossed.

It's possible I may also be getting another 2-3 monitors in the next few days too. I almost gave up after searching for 2 years...kinda weird how as soon as I started to give up they practically get dropped in my lap. Despite living in a huge city broadcast monitors seem very rare here so I'm trying to get as many as I can, and the plan is to at least keep my favourite/best two.

The monitors will be used for arcade/jamma boards and a 15khz MAME setup, since I have no desire to collect console carts (until I have enough spare cash to buy a flashcart for all the major systems).

>>3292779
lol this post is going to cause a shitfest

>>3292789
>It's possible I may also be getting another 2-3 monitors in the next few days too.

this is called hoarding

>>3292817
Call it what you like but nah I wouldn't consider it hoarding, in fact I live quite barebones considering my comfortable upbringing and I actually hate having a cluttered living space and tons of stuff I don't use. I also clearly said in the following sentence that I'm probably only going to keep the best 2 monitors, and selling off/trading the ones I don't keep.

Since they are so rare to find in my area, I'm eager to grab a few as 'insurance' in case there's some major problem wrong with one of my monitors that I can't fix. I don't want a nice monitor to crap out on me and then have to wait another year or two to find something else to replace it. At least I'll still have an extra one or two as a replacement, or I can TATE my spare.

>>3292838
Come to think of it, it might have just been worth it to buy an overpriced monitor I wanted on ebay for $300-500 1-2 years ago, at least I could have been using it all that time.

The number of hours I have spent reposting my classifieds ads, responding to contacts or trying to contact people for monitors has definitely added up and I would have saved a lot of time and frustration just buying something, so I regret not coughing up the money for something I really wanted earlier. I was lucky to find something eventually, so I don't plan on going through that shit again.

>>3292838
>Since they are so rare to find in my area
they aren't rare to find in any area there are millions of them everywhere.

>>3292720
What sort of camera are you using? Phone? Cheap point'n'shoot? "High End" Point'n'Shoot? DSLR?

Photograph in a room that is as dark as possible/with as few light sources to reflect off of the screen. When at all possible, I take photos in a room that is only lit by the CRT itself.

Lower ISO settings to reduce visual noise. This may need to be adjusted to get proper exposure and/or avoid beam shadow. Low end cameras pick up noise fast as you raise this, where ones with better sensors can go decently high and still offer decent quality.

For cameras that don't offer RAW output, find the white balance setting that gives you the most accurate color reproduction to your eye. With my Kodak, this ended up being the fluorescent setting most of the time.

If you can adjust shutter speed, 1/60 or 1/30 are usually going to be your best bet on getting clean captures without too much "ghosting" from picking up multiple frames. This, of course only applies to stuff running at 60hz; 50hz stuff would do better with 1/50 or 1/25.

Macro Modes tend to give you the sharpest picture, alternatively, manual mode.

High-angled shots (taken at a sharp, acute angle to the screen) are often times easier to get, though unless you can manually focus your camera, getting what you want to actually be sharp can take a few shots. They're also less prone to moire problems than straight on shots.


Webm shows switching from 1/30(2 frames) to I believe 1/40(1 frame every 4), and then 1/60.(1 frame)

Any ultra closeups of crt screens? I really like how they look. Not my pic btw

>>3292850
Professional monitors are

>>3292850
Millions? Shitty consumer Crts in general maybe, but not professional broadcast monitors in good condition. I've called most places within a 60-minute drive that would have had broadcast monitors (hospitals, media studios etc) and most of them got rid of them, I. E. They were in a landfill or recycled years ago and replaced with flat panel displays. And, the odds of getting one are only going to decrease as years pass.

There's always ordering online, but there's always a risk of damaging the monitor not to mention the costs. Importing a CRT from America to Canada costs like 150-200 dollars for shipping alone plus the cost of the monitor itself, and then taxes on top of that. I'm not exaggerating when I say getting a nice monitor here either involves lots of waiting, lots of money, or lots of luck.

>>3292591
It is a 3730c, but you'll have to wait for action pics, as I have to build a custom cabinet to put it on...

>>3292920
>>3292923
lolololol, no.

PVMs were in bulk at any hospital and news station. Up to 100+ at a local news station. from as small as 5 inches and as large as 15+.

Also "Shitty consumer CRT's" lel. PVM meme still strong. I would rather play on my 36 inch trinitron vs my 12 inch PVM.

When will you idiots grow up and realize most PVM's are total crap and only the smaller screen size is increasing your perceived quality.

>>3293264
Consumer CRTs have like 300TVL
regardless of size thats pretty meh for 240p

>>3292889
old. pvm 20l5.

>>3292889
"Let's boogie boogie"

>>3293280
actually think about that. You're gonna get lines really close together forming a coherent picture on a large consumer set, where a large computer/broadcast monitor would have narrow scan lines and extremely pervasive black stripes. It's already nearly unbearable below 5 feet on a 20" set; 27" would be terrible at 600-800tvl.

Remember, 240p systems were made with 80s consumer technology in mind.

>>3293264
PVMs are not "total crap" - I love that they along with other broadcast monitors have great HV regulation and don't bloom all over the place.

Still, broadcast gear (PVMs in particular) are getting pretty meme-y. Agreed.

>>3292923
The old commodore monitors (for Amigas) are really good if you want RGB with a high TVL. You ever look into them? Not sure what they go for online, but they might be more common in Canada.

>>3293334

>>3293264
Keyword "were". They did away with them years ago over here, a lot earlier than the states I imagine. Keep in mind Canada has about 1/10th the population of the US and our population and major cities are very spread out. Local TV stations died out a lot quicker here and weren't really as big as anything you'd find in the US. We also import like 95% of our media stuff directly from the US and other countries, so there's a lot less studios like that in general.

I was in medical school, and even using all the contacts I had I was hard pressed to find one. My girlfriend was also in media/communications studies and managed to find me one from a local university, but the red gun in that monitor died 2 weeks later. Even if you do find one, chances are it's going to be an old security monitor that's 8" with a million hours clocked on it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are by any means impossible to find, but it is definitely more of a task in Canada.

>>3293264
I honestly like the look of PVMs/pro monitors, and not everyone can justify having a 36" in this day and age. They are large and heavy and take up quite a bit of space. If you find one you most likely still have to do a bit of driving to pick it up and have someone to help you move something that large. One advantage to a PVM is that it's high quality in a smaller form factor, 14-20" is no problem for one person and it can comfortably sit on something like a computer desk instead of taking up an entire corner of a room.

>>3293364
Sorry, 20" is pretty hard on a PVM. I've had two.
14", maybe not.
14

>>3293334
P.S. sorry for stealing your pics 20l5 guy. But I had that monitor (plus the coverflap) for my amiga 1200 years ago. It's a great monitor.

>>3293369
Well, I think the 20" is about 60-70 pounds max... so it wasn't much of a problem for me.

>>3293376
It's fine. I'd offer the same advice.

>>3293369
I concur.

>>3293378
It's not the weight so much as how awkward it is to go up or down staircases with one.

>>3293384
this, my stairs have carpet on them and i when i used to need to bring my 20" pvm down, 4/10 times i would slip from the lack of grip from my socks going either up or down and almost dropping it.

what should i bet looking for if i want a thinner CRT
8-9 inch consumer? are the JVC or panasonic PVMs any shorter?
my 13 inch bvm is too deep for my desk

>>3293439
my 17" jvc is slightly thinner than my 14 sony bvm. It's also far lighter and has convenient side handles.

>>3293439
My 13" professional JVC is ~15.5" deep.

How do I find hours used on a BVM-20f1u?

>>3293528
Whatever, got it anyway. My hunt is over, for now.

>>3293693

>>3293528
status in the menu, with the test grid

nice grab friendo

>>3293707

So I've seen a Sony trinitron pvm for pretty cheap near me. Is it so much better than my modern HD TV for playing SNES?

>>3293710
Realized I don't have any 9-pin cables and the guy didn't have a spare, need to order one

>>3293753
Without an external scaler to use with the HDTV, Yes.

>>3293770
Any models you can recommend or is a Sony trinitron pvm decent?

>>3293693
>>3293707
>>3293728

Come on then spill the beans. How much did that little lot set you back in the end?

Assuming the vulgar topic of coin is discussable of course.

>>3293773
Just go get it, it won't be there long. If it works and it's a SONY PVM, it's worth it.

>>3291906
>4 hours from detroit
>only have a sedan

fuck

couldnt I just buy the whole pallete and junk all but what I want immedately?

>>3293693
Manuals printed and bound to make my life easier

>>3293787
So far I've spent nearly $350 USD for:

(2) 13" Panasonic-BT-H1390Y
(1) 20" PVM-20L5
(1) 20" BVM-20F1U
(1) BKM-10R Monitor Control Unit
(50) BNC to RCA adapters
& professional printed service manuals for each display

Pretty much works out to less than $80 a display.

I still need a bunch of BNC or RCA cables to hook everything up.

I think I might end up selling at least 1-2 of them after I decide which ones I'm going to keep, so I'll get at least 100-200 back. I think I did well especially since it's tough to find good monitors in the area.

>>3294021
Nice work.

I'm sure *someone* will be around soon to weigh in with his recommendations but in this case I'd be inclined to agree with what I believe these will be.

Awesome as the BVM undoubtedly is - I have 3 myself - the L5 has the edge on versatility with regards to non-retro systems and those little Pannys are adorable. You should get a decent chunk of money back on the BVM too to pay for your cabling and then some.

Of course the condition of each plays a big part too but don't put a huge amount of emphasis on chassis hours as the tubes were usually replaced around every 30k hours. In an ideal world the service tech would leave a note of the hours at which this was performed but that almost never happens on or in the monitor itself.

Anyhow, keep us posted.

>>3294021
I'm pretty much done with my CRT/retro journey here as long as these monitors are up to snuff when tested. I may get the OSSC scaler that's coming out and a low latency gaming LED or OLED display in the future (since I sort of need one for my PC anyway). I may consider getting a nice PC CRT if it comes my way but not going to actively search for one.

The only thing I have to do is finish my 15khz MAME/emulator machine which won't cost much, and I'm offically "done" with my gaming setup. Although I don't mind spending money on actual equipment, I can't really see myself spending any money on buying/modding additional consoles and collecting games for them (that I don't already have). I'm trying to keep clutter and excess to a minimum so I like the idea of just having 1-2 CRTs with a mame/emulator box and a couple 'newer' consoles like a modded/jailbroken Wii & PS3. I've been amassing a ROM collection and I pretty much have every console ROM/ISO released from Atari to Gamecube which I store on a NAS.

I bought some arcade boards which were an exception to my setup idea because I am a huge 3rd strike fan, so I ended up buying a CPS3 + multicart (~$300)...and said fuck it and spent another whack of money on a CPS2 + multicart (~$450). I'm probably going to eventually part with the CPS2 though, but the multicart is a really a nice kit.

>>3292889
Downsized this guy but here

>>3292889

the guy who sold me the XC-3730 was a retired monitor seller apparently. He gave me a long-ass vga-bnc cable and these goodies also.

>>3294230
I have 100s of these flyers

>>3294231
back

>>3294236
I was planning of scanning the whole manual but fuck, scanning is the worst thing ever.
Only did english.
https://a.pomf.cat/brfkny.pdf

>>3294241
oh Kya, I'm pretty sure you need to use the lower bnc RGB inputs. Tested it and came fine.

>>3293925
Considering that they're giving them away for free, they probably don't want to find that you tossed a bunch of junky CRTs back at them.
Now if we could organize a bunch of anons to go at the same time, we could take a pallet or two and just split it up.

>>3294241
That's glorious. Glad to finally see some documentation on these sets.

Is there a cheapish TV stand or similar product at ikea that will hold two side by side 20" monitors nicely?

>>3294270
http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/40104294/

I found this with a quick search at ikea. The BVM depth is about 21.5" and the width for both the PVM and BVM are ~17.5 (so 35" side by side).

This is LITERALLY PERFECT for two 20" trinis at Length: 35-3/8" & Width: 21 5/8"

>>3294282
>Particleboard
>Fiberboard
>ABS plastic
>Paper
I wouldn't entrust my monitors to these materials...

>>3294305
It seems cheap but they are a lot stronger than they look. I've had a lot heavier things on similar products from ikea including a safe and heavy full tower computer/server rack gear and it's been fine for years.

Is a Phillips 30PW9100D a crt or projection TV? And is it a good model?

Does a PVM20L5 require terminators on the RGB out? To my knowledge only the BVMs do, but my PVM came with them (and the BVM did not)

should I stay away from sony widescreen CRTs? someone is giving one away for free

>>3294443
If your goal is 240p gaming, yes. Unless it's a widescreen BVM.

Found all of these in a bin at the thrift store today for 50 cents each. Yeah I know its composite, but they're official ones at least, pretty neat find.

>>3294230
Do you happen to have one for a xc-2930c? I've been looking for the manual everywhere.

what do I do about corner divergence?
The top corners aren't converging.
And if I adjust the magnet rings then the bottom corners don't converge.
did I buy a fucked CRT?

>>3294435
You are correct, the 20L5 doesn't need em.

>>3294461
Well nevermind really, the 3730 seems to have the exact same kind of inputs so maybe I can infer. -

>>3294451
Open two up. Pull the pins and cables out one. Label the cables R G B. Put them into the other one at the RGB pin locations.
tada

>>3294450
or this.

>>3294465
two possible solutions:

1) get some permalloy convergence strips
2) use some magnets to bend the top corners to alignment.

Permalloy's probably less risky. But the CRT isn't something you should throw away just because of that, it's by no means unfixable.

Oh, also, try a degauss.

>>3294470
This. It's totally doable.

>>3294021
Heh, you've got a 20L5 too?
Still no clue what the 'N' on ky BT-H1390YN is for. But it's a good monitor.

I just printed my manuals double-sided and put them in a three ring binder instead of buying any from ebay. Still, good to see.

Got any pictures of the tube label in the H1390Y's?

>>3294241
So how close is this thing to a 3501?
Differences between the two?
Regardless, thanks for scanning

>>3294580

>>3294592

>>3294580
Dammit now I'm going to have that song looping in my head for days.

>>3294542
no built-in degaussing coil.

gotta find the manual one I haven't seen in 20 years.

>>3294249
I'd be down if my car weren't crapped out atm.

you could probably attach a flatbed trailer to a sedan, but it'd look weird.

For larger tubes I think I actually prefer lower TVL, as long as it's still higher than my horizontal resolution. More like a normal "progressove" raster.

>>3294654
*progressive

>>3294580
I will be sure to post pics when I get around to calibrating everything after I get my setup going. I didn't by the manuals from ebay by the way, I just used the PDFs I found online. Binding + laminated cover at my university were $3 each (printing + binding was about 4-7 dollars depending on length, I did that for the service manuals since they were like 200 pages and didn't want to kill my ink).

>>3294580
TL;DR he's my story.... gather 'round. After I got those two BT-H1390Y for a nice price just 3 days ago I was VERY content. I was probably going to end my search for pro monitors right then and there and be fine with having one of these cute 13" tucked nicely in the corner of my desk. I found the PVM 20L5 last night completely by accident. I was looking for a pair of sony IEMs for my friend (sony "in ear monitor" headphones). I wasn't really paying attention and since I had searched sony monitors so many times, it autocorrected my search to just "sony monitor". As the page was partially loaded I sighed pressed back to correct my search- but something caught my eye. I quickly pressed forward again. "Sony CRT monitor - $200". No model # or any other pics other than a blurry one of the front. Great, the same twat trying to sell his crappy 8" security PVMs on craigslist for 200 bucks. The photo did look a bit different, so I clicked it on impulse - something I've done almost every day for nearly two years. Cont..

>>3294690
The photo was blurry as shit, but it seemed larger than 8" and I couldn't help but notice that there was text in the corner bezel which is something I wasn't used to seeing on these ads. Then it hit me, that this had to be some kind of higher end PVM because of that text (that likely said multiformat). I had almost overlooked this obvious fact. I got pretty excited, and the ad had only been up for a few hours, and I contacted him right away. That night I had deliberately slept pretty light and set my alarm early to maximize my chance of getting in communication with the guy if he got back to me. I was starting to think there's no chance I would get it, especially after missing out on an $80 20L5 a few months back by only 3 minutes because I overslept. Anyway, he got back to me with a photo and I pretty much told him I'd take it and can come now if he wanted, and we agreed on the deal. 5 minutes before I'm about to leave, he said he had found another another surplus monitor that he didn't even know was there. I asked for a picture as it turns out it was a BVM-20F1U. Ended up getting both for $300 CAD ($230 USD) with control unit.

>>3294690
>>3294698
Just goes to prove that vigilance, affirmative action and just a sprinkling of luck can make all your dreams come true.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of working condition that BVM is in, once you source a control cable.

>>3294021
What area?

>>3294741
I'm going to be buying two 9-pin cables tomorrow on ebay to link the PVM, BVM, and control unit together. I had totally forgotten the BVM+control unit can control up to 36 other sony pvm/bvm monitors, which is nice.

>>3294748
Toronto, Canada

Well I'm in a sour mood. Opened my GXTV up to do a test or two on involving the possibility of modding it for RGB.

>Load up 240p Test Suite to have a good reference picture as to what is going on.
>Picture looks odd, but don't think anything of it.
>Decide to bring up color bars so I can see exactly what I'm doing
>Green is completely missing.
>Start looking around for anything I may have bumped or otherwise taking the back off, nothing sticks out.
>move the back casing a bit(still attached partially due to subwoofer
>bump neckboard
>see green for an instant
>attempt to recreate to find if it's perhaps a bad solder joint on the back of the tube
>screen goes full white with retrace lines
And that's what I get for not being happy with what I have and just leaving it as it is.

I'm not entirely sure what I could have done, but this is just the culmination of a bad day and I can't even begin to think of what may have just happened. Maybe tomorrow, I'll go up their with better light, see if another solder joint could have went or perhaps something is shorting out where it shouldn't be, but I'm just not in the right mind for any of this right now.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

>>3294230
>>3294231
>>3294236
>>3294241
>>3294243
It's nice to actually see this thing in its full entirety. Looks like a slightly different version to the one I have.
And those flyers are really neat; I'd love to have one just for the sake of it.

>>3294815
Clean up any flux residue.
Maybe not relevant but that's what had my snes not working yesterday.

>>3294815
Sounds like you bridged all three video amplifiers maybe.

Friendly reminder not to fall for the scart meme.

>>3294954
Post guides on how to make custom cables then

this thread reeks of freshman engineering

>>3294954
Friendly reminder not to use SCART even if it's the only way your set will take RGB?

>>3294917
I'm not really sure how, but technically possible though.
But it doesn't seem like I fried it, at least at a glance. removing said bridge should (have) return it back to normal, no?

I'll have to take another look, but I didn't see or smell any magic smoke.

>>3294954
>He comes from clapistan

>>3294316
Yeah. Not him, but I like to get 2 x 50kg sets onto my unit and then bounce up and down in between them. That way I know the table is secure. No fricking way would anything from Ikea hold up.

>>3295015
I wonder if it would be safe to use something like a heatgun on it to repair the solders

>>3294282
>http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/40104294/
from my experience you dont want your monitors to be low to the ground when sitting close.

So to input 31khz vga/rgb on my 20L5, I need to get a VGA to 5x BNC cable, and then connect H and V sync together with one of those T connectors?

And connecting 15 khz via a radeon card/crt_emudriver is exactly the same thing, right? (other than the fact it will be 15khz)

>>3295015
Well, now that I think of it, the guns actually go white when grounded, not when at max voltage. Still, I wonder how you managed to ground all 3 colors.

>>3295046
Found this instead: http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/20105341

It's longer, and will take the BVM/PVM stacked on top of each other and also take my LCD with room to spare. I might put the LCD somewhere else and put my speakers/stereo stuff next to the monitors instead.

It's quite low, but I found a mod for this product (pic related) involving two stacked together to make it taller with more space for storage. Pic related. Found two of these for $50 for both

>>3295074
Yes
There are 4 BNC vga cables that combine the sync but theyre kind of hard to find

>>3295087
i have a black one, craigslist find for 20 dollhairs.

i've heard people complain about sagging and bowing but i haven't had any issues.
pic related is old, i have more weight on it now from a giant inline bnc switch (to replace those shitty scart switches)

>>3295043
>repair with heat gun
you ever hear of Drakon?

>>3294981
>link to guides
okay.
>>3294470
there's your guide.
or drill some holes and add BNCor RCA jacks

>>3294685
ah,okay.I only printed the parts of tbe manuals I was most likely to need when I did mine.

Seriously, you're gonna love the panasonics. The 20L5 will look good too, but a bit too much black space for my liking.

My CRT has an identity crisis.

>>3295221
Yes, there are aternatives to SCART, but suggesting that intentionally and visibly damaging the outside of your system instead of using SCART just makes you sound contrarian.

>>3295217
Jesus, that poor Famicom...

>>3295221
I have to damage my consoles to avoid using scart?
you and 20L5 would get along great

>>3295313
Not that guy, but I just use composite for my Famicom, it's not worth destroying them for fake RGB i m h o.

>>3295328
You HAVE to destroy famicom shell to even get composhit you dumb fuck

>>3295348
Not on an AV Famicom asshat, you know like the picture that was just posted? Furthermore, you do not have to destroy the shell on an original Famicom to do a composite mod, you can put a mini phono jack where the RF plug was, leaving the shell untouched (completely reversible mod too). It's hard to believe that someone would call me a dumb fuck while being so utterly ignorant of any actual facts. Do some research before you spew your bullshit next time; better yet, fuck off back to [r]eddit since you so clearly gleaned your knowledge from /r/retrogaming.

>>3294990
Don't fall for the "don't fall for the scart meme." meme

Looking sexy.

>>3295402
You didn't say "AV Famicom", only "Famicom"
Also
>playing famicom without sound

>>3295409
specs?

Anyone have any luck getting csync out of a fat ps1?

>>3295447
there is no easy c-sync access on the PS1.
Use luma to avoid checkerboard and/or use a sync stripper, again preferably on luma.

>>3295445
PC Engine Duo running on composite on a Sony BVM-14G5E.

I need to RGB mod my PC Engine but I'm not sure how easy it is and I'm not taking any risks with how much I paid for this.

Hey guys, got a Gateway Vivitron monitor and I managed to get the picture on it nearly perfect, with the exception of some odd distortion around the edges (only on one side of the monitor - it looks sort of like a D - straight on one side but sort of skewed on the top and bottom on the other) that there doesn't seem to be a setting to fix in the menu. I'm guessing this is something I'd actually have to open up the monitor to adjust? I kind of don't want to because, like I said, otherwise it's nearly perfect otherwise and I'm worried about messing something up.

Also, there are some BNC ports on the back for RGB in addition to the VGA. Would these actually work with an RGB enabled console even though it's a PC monitor? I'd check but I don't have RGB cables or the necessary adapters and don't feel like spending money on it only to find that I need a line doubler for them to work.

>>3294698
God damn man... I know I shouldn't even be complaining, as im picking up a very large monitor very shortly, and wouldnt even have room for more then two, let alone the half dozen you're saying you already have... still stings a lil, knowing you snagged that BVM and 20l5 so easily, at such a good price.

In any case, congrats, I hope the monitors serve you well, and please, show them off as soon as you can :)

If you ever wanna get rid of them, let me know. Assuming you don't live in Scarberia or Missasauga / do live downtown, I could come pick up~

>>3295172
Comfy.

>>3295427
>playing famicom without sound
Are you fucking serious? You can a use 1/8" jack to AV cable for audio and video, it's one of the most common AV mods. I can't believe you actually thought you were making some sick burn.

>>3294954
>falling for the "falling for the scart meme" meme

>>3295556
I just got 4, but I got them over the course of like 2-3 days this week. This was after 18+ months of searching almost daily and sending out lots of emails and calls, so I wouldn't exactly call it easy.

Another funny story about the 2 Panasonics I got- I found out last night that I only even ended up getting those because I missed out on a 19" JVC from someone I was talking to for quite some time (my fault since I didn't give him a straight answer about taking it). The other guy only sold me the 13"ers because he got that 19" upgrade from the dude I was speaking to in the first place.

>>3295172
Nice. There really shouldn't be any sagging or bowing, especially if yours came with the metal support beam things that are supposed to go in the center. Sometimes people leave those out or forget to pick them up in the store

>>3295172
Looks like my setup only better and with more consoles and more comfy.

all is ready for phase 2 of the super-secret plan. Tomorrow will be a tiring day.

>>3295110
Does the one on monoprice do it?

>>3295805
I have the VGA to 4BNC one
From what ive heard it doesnt

the monoprice VGA to 5BNC with a T connector should be good tho

Man I just can't justify the prices for all this rgb stuff. S-video on a consumer trinitron looks really good, anyone just use that?

>>3296132
You can use component on a consumer trinitron if you pay for a good RGB -> component converter.
S-video is ok, though.

>>3296136
Not on mine, its one of the KV models. I know it's really picky but I don't want the wega models because the silver is so ugly. I think some of the later black XBRs with the curved screen have component though. I'm on the lookout for one.

Why doesnt anyone make RGB cables that just end in BNC? Is it just so they can sell the extra breakout cable?

>>3296143
And if you're going to say its for people with the xrgb why not make one that ends with the xrgb RGB in? Whats the point of the scart at all? I've never heard of anyone actually buying these cables to use directly on their pal TVs

>>3296143
>Why doesnt anyone make RGB cables that just end in BNC? Is it just so they can sell the extra breakout cable?
Exactly. That's why they are pushing the scart meme.

>>3296143
because BNC for console is niche as fuck

>>3296146
SCART is pointless for anyone outside Europe and not a good connector in the first place, electronically speaking. The only time you should use it is if a) you're in Europe/PAL area or b) you need to plug in some device that only has a scart or jp21 input/output.

>>3296150
But almost everyone is buying these to eventually end up at BNC for their rgb monitors or RGB in on their XRGB mini. Using scart seems like the long way around.

I was going to say, well maybe its because the XRGB mini came with a scart adapter so people just made cables for it since its easy, but it comes with a JP-21 adapter!

>>3296143
because GL fitting caps and resistors in BNC

>>3296150
Even rca would be better.

>>3296146
Most people cant solder and theres no guides online for making custom cables aside from drilling holes

scart was already a popular connector and they make money selling the breakouts

simple as that

>>3296160
Sorry can you explain a little more? This seems like an actual answer.

>>3296157
>>3296159

Provide guides on how to cost effectively make custom BNC console cables or provide a solution aside from drilling holes to avoid scart

and where do you put the sync stripper?

ive said it before
This thread reeks of freshman engineering

not everything in the world is done in the most efficient way

>>3296170
Hey I was just asking, I don't know the electrical details of how they work. Not everyone is an engineer.

>>3296170
>guides
Does anyone really need a guide to fit a BNC connector to a 75 Ohm coaxial cable?
Just get a crimper/pressure tool and crimp/punch away.

>>3296180
>Does anyone really need a guide to fit a BNC connector to a 75 Ohm coaxial cable?
Yeah.

>>3296181
Take your pick:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terminate+coax+bnc

>>3294698
Very interested in the BVM - You can make a remote out of a PC and a USB RS485/rs422 controller or a RS232 to RS485/422 adaptor. Anyone have the pastebin link handy? I'm on my phone.

>>3296160
Mount the caps or resistors inside the console. Problem solved.

Or put a junction box mid-cable, if you must. No need to use SCART as a substitute for a junction box.

>>3296170
And the sync stripper? put it in the console, if your console doesn't actually output csync (only the PSXes IIRC)... Cut the traces that go to the multi-out and hop the cut trace with the capacitor/resistor/lm1881/whatever.

>>3295402
>you have to destroy the shell to do a composite mod on an original famicom
Bullshit, but it does make life easier to do it that way. Pic related. Composite via TRS jack. No drilling involved.

>>3295348
The 'destroy the case' method is certainly more common, however, amd it's what I did on my first famicom mod. But I found that while I can deal with holes drilled in the back of my console, on the sides where it's clearly visible and jutting out in a weird way is too much.

>>3296170

If you needed to add resistors/caps/sync chips, a VGA/15-pin breakout connector has enough room and they are cheap. VGA cabling or loose VGA cables are also very cheap and can pretty much be found everywhere since barely anyone uses vga type cables anymore. You can also buy VGA->BNC adapters for a few bucks

>>3295402
sorry m8, meant to quote >>3295348 here >>3296234 .

>>3296262
Or open up the console, cut a trace, and do that. But yeah, a d-sub shell typically has room, too. That's not really a great connector either, but at least it doesn't carry audio. and these signals are pretty low frequency for video.

>>3296271
(should add as an afterthought that I'd rather use D-Sub than SCART anyway because they are actually common here and there are a LOT of good KVM switches you could use to switch sources, and they are cheaper than a good SCART one).

>>3296278
oh also my Commodore 1942 is a bi-sync (31khz and 15.6khz) RGB monitor and it uses a HD155 D-Sub, so that'd be convenient.

>>3296264
No problem my friend, thanks for providing pictures.

>>3296282
*HD15

Okay, I'll stop spamming for a bit.

Drakon gore. Same AV famicom he melted the back of with a heat gun (posted earlier).

>>3296271
I prefer to do the mods in the console itself, but I was just offering a solution for people that won't do it for whatever reason.

>>3296278
VGA cables are almost always better shielded too

>>3296304
Definitely better shielded; they have to be able to provide decent video at MUCH higher video frequencies than 15khz.

>>3295427
>phono jacks can only carry one signal
What is this? 1955? I heard transistor radios are all the rage - they're small enough to carry around and they run off a single small battery! Most of them output mono through a miniature version of that jack the Ma Bell operators use for switching lines, but some of the expensive ones can output stereo for your hi-fi electro-voice stereo speakers!

>>3296330
note that you'll have to use shortwave radio to get stereo woth decent quality since frequency modulation's still a few years off for you.

Be sure to save an IBM System/360 for me since they're gonna be scrapped in the 70s and 80s. Also,buy stock in Micro-Soft, it's going to be big. Sell your Commodore Business Machines stock in 1986 or 1987, it's not going to be good for too much longer.

>>3296292
last pic of the drakon maiming. He actually wanted the CUSTOMER to pay for another AV Famicom if he wasn't okay with the back of that one being melted; he'd take 20% off the price of this one. What a piece of shit.

>>3296292
Someone please stop him

>posting drakon shit as a lightning rod

>>3295074

Has anyone been able to get VGA 640x480 to display properly on a PVM-20L5?

Mine does just fine with component 480p, but with VGA the image is very weird and washed out. Some horizontal lines are much brighter than others, there's some strange horizontal ringing, and when I press "H/V Delay" the sync signal looks all wavy instead of a nice cross shape like I get with 240p/480p.

I've tried the VGA outputs from two different laptops as well as a dreamcast. I've tried pure H-sync, combined H and V sync (BNC T-adapter), as well as an Extron. The Extron helps with the distorted upper left corner, but everything else is still shit.

Considering just throwing up my hands and trying that $50 VGA-> YPbPr converter from monoprice. I'd like to play Shenmue in 480p.

>>3296292
>>3296351

Honestly hotglue isn't the worst thing. A few tacks to keep some wires pinned in place is fine. The problem is that this dude goes way overboard to the point where it's a detriment.

Me again. So I got one of those tables. Definitely pretty low as I had thought so I'm going to get another one to stack on top of it.

The monitors stacked next to the LCD didn't really look that great, plus it disallowed me to put my speakers on there (but I really should be getting get proper speaker stands for them anyway). I'm kind of faced with a dilemma because it's going to be hard get both the CRTs and my LCD at comfortable viewing heights without making compromises. I'm considering wall mounting the LCD as well or making using a smaller one I have. I want a new HD TV, but it's kind of low of the priority list. It's also a bummer that the receiver I'm thinking of grabbing probably won't fit comfortably in the storage area (the hole only 6" tall).

>>3296432

>>3296292
>HD155 D-Sub
>HD15
DE-15

>>3296421
I'm thinking it might not like 640x480 and be looking for 720x480 instead, and as such causing problems. Just a guess though.

>Dreamcast
Actually, scratch that. That is rather stange. Any pictures to show off what you mean?

>VGA -> YPbPr monoprice
Don't feel like going to check again at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that also acts as a scaler. If you're okay with that, then cool, but if you're going for maximum visual fidelity, I figure you wouldn't want that.

>>3296432
Don't know what you plan to play on those, but putting one in TATE would probably be a decent idea.

>>3296445
DE-15 was not part of the original spec I didn't think. HD standing for 'high density'. But yes, it is in a D-sub size E shell.

>>3296432
If you open the PVM and BVM ever I'd love to know the part number on the 20F1U, too.

>>3296434
and while thos3 20 inchers are nice, IMO you'll probably like the 14 inch one more... Unless you like more of the screen black than lit.

>>3296445
Yep, I'm going to be using one for TATE but for the sake of aesthetics I will probably leave them like this when not in use unless I find some way to re-design my setup.

>>3296498
>the original spec
It is, however the proper shell size and pin count. I know what the HD stands for, but it doesn't really mesh with anything else "d-sub" related otherwise.
Just arguing semantics really.

>>3296515
I'd accept DE15 on a hypothetical "identify this connector" test, but I'd have written HD15 personally. Doesn't really matter, though, and yours is probably more accurate since it lists shell size explicitly.

>>3296513
Why do you think I'd like the 14 more?

so you guys know that a 14" CRT is better than a 20", right? Like, an image that small obviously looks better with less magnification. when you blow a 224p image up to 20"+ that's what introduces artifacts. you don't even need S-video or higher at small resolutions, it looks good on its own.

>>3296551
I dunno, having both a PVM-20L5 and nearly the same 14" panasonic set as yours, I just liked my Panasonic more. The raster lines are thicker and closer together, more like a TV or arcade monitor, but with much better HV regulation (no bloom) and better convergence around edges and RGB inputs (better than TVs at least).

I won't say the 20" PVM's/BVM's are actually bad (they're quite good), but at the kinds of distances I typically play games at (less than 8 feet away), the razor-thin raster lines and mostly black screen are really irritating to me.

You could feel differently, of course. But I swear by my Panasonic for everything but 480p content, where the 20L5 really shines.

Pictured: 20L5 240p

>>3296597
"640k ought to be enough for everyone"

>>3296597
No, there aren't artifacts on 20" CRTs. But high TvL 20" monitors have a lot of black space between scan lines that annoy me. Also nice copypaste from last thread.

>>3296623
and BT-H1390YN. 14 inch PVMs would look pretty similar actually, I've compared Keio Flying Squad on my Panasonic vs. Kya's 14M2u (or whatever the model was, I forget).I happen to like tri-dot phosphor masks, though.

>>3296634
Looking back at this, I think I like the relative "softness" of the image here compared to my PVM, while still not losing identifiable unique pixels.

Games like pokemon on the PVMs (20") suffer the most for it.

>>3296597
Nice pasta

>>3296535
I personally keep jumping back and forth between them. Mainly because calling it a "VGA connector" bothers me if it's not actually carrying RGBHV.

>>3296634
Only thing Keio's been on has been my 20M2MDU and the Megaview. The 14M2MDU is just sitting in my attic with its case off waiting for me to actually try to fix the purity issue on it, something that last nights GX fuck up really makes me want to put it off further.

Poking around at the neckboard, there are definitely a number of solder joints that aren't exactly what I would call quality work, but this right here is the only thing that definitely stands out at me, and is in the general area that was bumped when the issue occurred.

>>3296661
Looks like dragonites' sprite has half the resolution as dewgong's.

>>3296445

I'll snap some pics for you tomorrow, got srs buttraped at work so I'm going to bed early tonight.

I'm pretty sure it's not set-specific, as my 14L5 has the exact same behavior, and I'm pretty sure my BVMs do the same thing too, will retest them tomorrow.

Does anyone have a good spec for 480p timings? I have a hunch that something in the blanking intervals must be different and is throwing it off somehow

>>3296665
Well that sure worked...

I'd like to take the neck board and do some touchups on all of the solder connections, but I won't lie in saying that the idea of trying to undo the connections to the flyback are giving me a frighten. Mainly because I'm a chicken shit.

>>3296672
It's to signify depth, as your Pokemon are obviously supposed to be closer than the opponent's.

>>3296661
TL;DR the 20 inch monitors are made to excel at displaying 480i, with each field clearly and distinctly visible. In this they excel. Unfortunately they are, in a sense, TOO good at that to be good at displaying 240p (totally my opinion).

The smaller monitors have less space to cram the picture into vertically, so they fare better at presenting it as a progressive image. Look at a PC CRT in 480p - or your 20L5. They don't have extremely visible blank spots between lines in the raster because they were meant to display a progressive signal in that resolution. With 240p however they use the ideal line spacing for a 480i field as a reference instead of a progressive 240 line frame.

I also like some of the old computer monitors for this - my Apple IIe composite monitor excels at such content since it was designed with a 240 line frame in mind. Being composite-only, however, I don't really use it for anything but NES games and playing with my VIC-20.

>>3296634

>low resolution
>slot mask
>blue tint

>>3296672
You never played Pokemon!?
Seriously, why are you on this board? Not trying to tell you to get off, though (unless you're underage).

>>3296686
>750TVL is low resolution
>not knowing what a blue tint looks like because the monitor he's viewing the pic on is set to 9300k

>>3296634
>>3296686
Yeah that pic's lower resolution. It's an older picture.
You can still see exactly what I mean though. If there's a tint it's the camera's fault as I wasn't really white-balancing properly at the time.

>>3296681
nope. back sprites are 8x8 as opposed to the front sprites which are 16x16.
also back sprites in all versions (Japan R/G/B/Y International R/B/Y) are the same, never updated. that's why they look like such shit

>>3296709
>>3296686
My one newer pic of the monitor on Zelda I've got on this phone. Very high resolution by comparison.

>>3296710
I'm not referring to bad pixel art, though. Bad pixel art looks bad on any screen.

I'm referring to the zebra stripes that are the game's battle screen.

>>3296710
>back sprites are 8x8 as opposed to the front sprites which are 16x16.
I get that, and while it doesn't look great, it does give the effect I said.
Or at least to me it does.

>>3296728
I think it's a combination of that and saving space in the ROM. The japanese releases of red and green had half the ROM size of the US red and blue.

>>3296731
Actually I'm certain it's that.
>We put Mew in right at the very end. The cartridge was really full and there wasn't room for much more on there. Then the debug features which weren't going to be included in the final version of the game were removed, creating a miniscule 300 bytes of free space. So we thought that we could slot Mew in there. What we did would be unthinkable nowadays!
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/0

>>3296665

Those R-O and B-I pins etc just looks like flux residue to me, or maybe the world's worst conformal coating.

That thing near the "EL502" silkscreen looks a bit weird though. Can't tell if it's a crack in the solder or just some lint due to the shit lighting.

IPC-A-601 standards specify 1000lm/m^2 lighting at the workstation surface

>>3296719
To be fair gameboy pokemon games were never meant to be played on a CRT- PVM or otherwise

>>3296747
>IPC-A-601 standards specify 1000lm/m^2 lighting at the workstation surface
I'm dealing with a shitty ceiling light that is maybe 60W and camera flash. Not dragging this back down to the porch like when I cleaned it, and it's pouring rain either way.

I REALLY need to invest in some lights or something.

There is a decent amount of loose lint on there from attempting to clean it up with a bit of alcohol, though all I have at the moment are shitty q-tips that are too loose to be of much use, as can be seen from what they left behind.

>>3296760
>>3296747
I DO have some schematics for this thing, if that may be of any help.

>>3294815
>>3296760

Just re-read your issue. Full white with retrace lines doesn't really make sense to me - if it was full white the retrace lines shouldn't be visible?

Didn't you watch those CRT repair videos that were posted a few threads ago?

Anyways grounding the guns wouldn't cause white, you'd just get no image at all. Instead I think you've got the opposite problem - full voltage hitting all three guns instead of a controlled, varying voltage.

And the good news is that if it's white (and not magenta) it means your green gun is still guaranteed to be good. Gun failures are essentially unfixable (got an 8044q with no green), so you're lucky there.

You probably fucked up something related to the video amplifiers and or the blanking circuitry. Do you have an oscilloscope?

>>3296781
I actually watched them a few years ago back when these threads first started, and planned on doing so again.

I know the green gun is good as it was absolutely fine less than 20 hours before, and that it's a loose/broken connection somewhere.

Those pins at the top, I am pretty sure what runs to that amp, and what happened to get bumped.

>Do you have an oscilloscope?
Nope. In terms of "electronics testing equipment" I have a relatively basic multimeter and that's about it.

I really don't like leaving it on for more than a few seconds, but I'll take a little shot of what I mean "full white with retrace"

Admittedly the green COULD still be out at the moment, but I'm more concerned with getting a normal raster back at the moment than I am solving the missing color issue.

>>3296793

Well, come to think of it, that guy did have an example of retrace lines. He got them visible by just cranking the shit out of the "luminance" pot or whatever on the neckboard (amplifier control voltage?).

Do you have any shots of the front of the neckboard? If you're lucky your first issue was maybe just shorting the green gun to ground (lint, debris etc), then your second bump cleared that out but dimed the luminance pot. Look for a potentiometer on the neckboard and take some piccs

>>3296752
>To be fair gameboy pokemon games were never meant to be played on a CRT- PVM or otherwise
You do realize that the original pokemon games were in fact OPTIMIZED for the super game boy? they are all colorized on it, where only yellow is on GBC.

The games were clearly intended to be played on CRTs or game boys, as they made an effort to support SGB-specific enhancements.

I think you may need to think before you make assumptions blindly, mate.

>>3296797
I didn't notice any pots on the neckboard itself, just the basic screen voltage control on the flyback, which I did think to check, but only did so slightly and it didn't seem to have an affect.

I'd like to get some photos of the front of the neck board, but I don't really have a good place to rest it that I wouldn't be worried about it touching something it shouldn't, and it's got wires coming off of it to several different places, with the one that I've been trying to avoid the most being the flyback.

>>3296760
I know you didn't bump the flyback, but I'd see what happens when you twist the flyback's "screen" potentiometer.

>>3296827
I didn't notice any real change, but I don't want to turn it too much.

Anything that could go wrong by lowering the voltage too much?

>>3296826
oh, nevermind, you tried that.

Um... Maybe check the wires leading to the main board? do you have the complete service manual that we can look at?

>>3296831
If you turn it all the way up the tube might start arcing - just quickly move it back down if it does. Turning it too low might turn off the tube as a precaution, but moving it back and power cycling the set should fix that.

>>3296834
This is what I have for it.
https://a.pomf.cat/nsrmjb.zip

The full model number for it is "GXE-1395"

I'm pretty sure the wires leading to the main board are the cause of the green issue, since tapping around at the neckboard managed to bring green back again(that is to say, it's a "full magenta raster with retracelines") for a moment, but with no change otherwise.

The image is too bright to get a decent photo or video of; Both just result in a blown out screen with nothing actually visible on it, the video just showing the screen flicker as well.

Been playing Zelda 1 for the first time, maximum comfy/immersion achieved. Half drawn map, comfy chair, and dim lights. Already have 9+ hours clocked in and I'm up to dungeon 8.

Wii VC over composite.

Going to trip for now since I'll probably be posting a lot here until I get everything sorted out. I'm the dude who got the PVM/BVM/2 pannies.

I was going to buy a bunch of BNC male/male cables to chain a few of the displays together but they are a bit too expensive for me to justify the cost. I considered buying a roll of cable and crimping my own but I probably shouldn't be spending any more money.

Looks like I will be getting a bunch of M/M component cables to use with the BNC->RCA adapters I'm getting.

>>3296821
They most obviously were NOT made for play on TV's, they simply encouraged it and made some smart optimizations for such a case. Who the hell in their right mind would think a game made for a screen 2.6 in. would have TV's in mind while developing it?

>>3296694
>You never played Pokemon!?
Why would anybody notice this just playing the game? Fuck off for real.

>>3296898
Oh, no, the special border you can ONLY SEE ON A TV WITH A SNES and the colors YOU CAN ONLY SEE ON A TV WITH A SNES by no means indicate that the TV was kept in mind as a way to play; neither does the N64 POKEMON STADIUM GAME which had a special emulator to be used with a transfer pak to PLAY THE GAME ON YOUR TV.

You're retarded.

>>3296935
You'd uave to be blind not to notice your pokemon look twice as blocky from behind as in front and that every pixel's been scaled up into four pixels. Especially when playing on an LCD with fixed pixels.

>>3296890
That works, I guess. I have a few BNC cables I got free at my old job when we were getting rid of stuff.

>>3296935
>>3296898
Both of you are indeed pretty fucking retarded. See the points the other anon already made, those are pretty much exactly what I would have said. Except that I'd add that 'super game boy enhanced' means developers actually developed and tested the game on TV screena, and also the original SpaceWorld demos of Pokemon Gold/Silver (I think it was 1997/8 at first? It had a long development period) were on Super Game Boys as well.

>>3294559
if they're fully populated. I've had official ones that aren't.

here's some soldier blade shots

>>3296985

>>3296985
sorry these are small, but they're just iphone pics anyhow

>>3295498
Duo is a bit trickier, but standard PCE is easy since you can just solder to where the big EXT connector meets the PCB, lots of space and little chance of messing up there.

Still I'd say it's easier, even with a Duo, on the whole than chipping a PSOne (tiny PSX) I very nearly messed up mine doing that, since you need to solder on top of some SMD resistors and stuff like that, I nearly slid those away. The only tricky part about RGB modding a Duo is you need to solder directly to pins coming out of the video chip (SMD), which should be easy enough given fine wire and a fine tip on your iron.

>>3295409
game?

>>3297001
Looks like Puyo Puyo to me.

>>3296973
Which is exactly what I was talking about when I said "optimizations" and the like. A fucking border doesn't magically make the game look better on a TV.

>>3297015
Correct, Puyo Puyo Tsu.

>>3296996
Hopefully I can get it done soon. I'm really not confident with my soldering skills, I may have to find someone to do it for me.

Doesn't help that the medication I'm on makes me shake like a bitch.

>>3297028 and >>3296996

yeah, i modded my duo-r for component out. soldering to the video chip's pins was a pain. unfortunately, jailbars are now an issue, and fixing this involved removing some SMD caps and soldering new ones in their place. that's my next step, and i am not looking forward to it.

>>3296982
>Both of you are indeed pretty fucking retarded.

>retarded
>for not staring at the pixels of a gameboy game I played 18 years ago

Nobody likes you you fucking spaz.

Just got a new CRT a couple of months ago, and I was really surprised.
>nice old lady I used to go to church with asks me to help her move again
>she found out about my power level from my mother because they're co-workers
>offered me 40 bucks and a CRT she bought in '96 that she doesn't use anymore
>didn't really want another CRT TV because I had 10 of them but decided I'd look at it after helping her and make my choice then
>dusty as FUCK huge ass 32" Toshiba CX32F60
>literally so dusty I couldn't even tell if it was in decent shape or beyond repair
>plugged it in and turned it on, everything seemed to be working okay and it still had the remote that came with it
>Fuck it, why not, I'll take it
>literally could not lift it and neither could the three dudes that helped me move, two of whom are football players
>Took the combined strength of all four of us to load it in the back of her pickup
>get home and make my bodybuilder brother help help me get this fucker in the apartment
>TV nearly went Bane on our spines in the process
>clean it up non-stop for over 4 hours in every crack and crevice until I finish and die from exhaustion
Holy shit, this is the most immaculate CRT I've ever seen, not even a micro scratch and it looks like it just came off the assembly line. I've never seen a CRT in such near mint condition before. Everything looks so fucking beautiful on it I'm left speechless every time I see it. God I love old ladies and their autistic dedication to hoarding. Best TV I've ever had.

>>3297118
I had one of those for a while, mainly used by my father for Ms Pacman, Super Bases Loaded, and Mario All Stars. Ended up suffering from vertical collapse and it wasn't worth keeping around.

How did it take all of you to move that thing? It, admittedly, wasn't the lightest of things, but I remember bearhugging and not having TOO much trouble getting it around on my own.

>>3297168
Your right, I am not a strong man, but looking at the owner's manual, It's 128.9 lbs/58 kgs. I guess we were tired from moving or something? Either way, it's an amazing TV and games like Xenoblade and The Last Story look beautiful on it.

>>3297174
Perhaps. I only moved it when relatively fresh; Emptying out a house beforehand would definitely make it considerably more difficult.

>>3297223
Please tell me that's not the angel statue thing from Doctor Who, I've had nightmares about that fucker for YEARS. I almost thew up just looking at that. But yeah, we were absolutely drained. Have some FFII/IV.

>>3297230
I t ' s a l l i n y o u r h e a d

>>3297230
>he cant enjoy vaporwave
baka

>>3296996
I slid a SMD resistor off the board on mine, but I'd taken pictures of the PCB before hand and was able to replace it with a big through-hole one. It's not really the end of the world - especially since we have PSOne service manuals.

>>3297025
No, but colorization of the game automatically does, and you don't see such massive zebra stripes on any consumer TV I've seen, or on smaller broadcast monitors (not that massive anyway).

I've got a PVM, a laserdisc player, but no laserdiscs. What are some good movies/anime I can pick up cheap to test this machine out?

>>3297663
anything you can find really
itll all be dubbed tho

>>3297689

Thinking of picking this up

>english subs

Are there any other decent releases with english subs? I didn't even know they released any anime with subs on laserdisc in the u.s.

>>3297694
Theres a handful of subbed laserdiscs
some released in the US some japan

laserdiscs, as far as i know are hardsub only

youre honesly better with VHS if you want subs

>>3297663
What do you define as cheap? There is a criterion collection version of Akira for like, $40-$50, It's the awful English Dub though.

So I got a CRT VGA monitor the other day and since I don't want to set up a separate computer with Windows XP, I was wondering what are my options as far as making sure everything work smooth with two monitors on a modern computer.

Is there any software to make using one new monitor and one VGA monitor together less of a painful experiance?

So I might be getting a SECOND BVM-20F1U today. I am becoming a crt hoarder...

>>3297775
What do you mean? There's nothing painful about it.

>>3297775
plug vga monitor into vga/DVI port
plug modern monitor into any other port

profit

Literally just picked this up off a Craigslist guy for free. That woodgrain doe.

>>3297914

>>3297916
Nice side speakers too. This thing is beautiful

>>3297917

nice score! That looks really cool!

>>3297921
Thx, pumped

>>3297917
This thing also has external speaker outputs. Nice

>>3297968
It's a Hitachi CT2000W

>>3297968
>rgb
lucky bastard

I have a 35 inch tube TV I want to get rid off. Does anyone in the chicagoland area want it? Has S-Video & stereo speaker jacks in the back, as well as a headphone jack & s-video jack in the front panel.

So, I found the BVM- 20F1U / 20F1E / 20E1U / 20E1E / 14F5U / 14F5E / 14F1U / 14F1E / 14E5U / 14E5E / 14E1U / 14E1E _service manual_ as a PDF just now on a french forum. The scans are pure shit and I'm not sure how the pages in the middle tile together (though admittedly I've not tried very hard), but for your viewing pleasure, here's the PDF as I found it as well as one where I went through and rotated all the pages for easier reading. Whoever invented 1-bit black and white scanning and decided to cram 242 pages into 5.6 megabytes by shrinking them deserves to be buried alive.

Anyway, better than nothing, here's the service manual.

Rotated & a little better:
https://mega.nz/#!nlZCzCiL!z156baxo97a3yo1-9DUmOvXdqTKIliRxllHNTUOjrD4

Original:
https://mega.nz/#!DtJyhTRY!gHQzDrz9T4iu2Zqjdf6PMVrDyHv3TqQ-estduZCnlIA

>>3297968
If you figure out what the RGB pinout is on that VTR connector, let us know. I seem to remember people asking about those before, and from what I can gather they usually aren't used for anything but composite video on the big broadcast tape machines. So that's non-standard usage. And yeah, that wood grain is fucking gorgeous.
You absolutely need a VCS for that. One of the wood-grain ones.

>>3297775
hey famibro. is that actually your pic or just a repost like the filename implies?

>>3297663
Terminator. I saw the first terminator movie for $8 on laserdisc in a used bookstore last week. If I had a LD player (could find one), I'd have bought it.

>>3297663
This will be hard to find and not subbed or dubbed, but there's a hong kong laserdisc of the Toei Animation Yu-Gi-Oh movie thing. Like part of "season 0".

>>3298330
The bvm pdf is pretty easy to find. Thebroadcaststore has a decent one if you view the page about the 20f1u and scroll to the bottom where the links are.

>>3297663
Man I want a laserdisc player so bad. I want the entire first season of sailor moon on it, the sleeves look incredible.

>>3298350
this?
http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/19861/bvm20f1u%20operating%20manual.pdf
No, that's the operating manual. This has the schematics. It's a service manual.

For the JVCs, the switches on the back automatically add resistance right? So I don't need termination?

>>3298447
My apoligies misread the post you are correct good sir. Although arent the E series slightly different?

>>3298447
I misread you are right my apoligies.

>>3298495
The JVC and panasonic sets perform termination on those switches. if you have nothing connected to the outputs, set them to 75Ω. If you have something connected to the outputs, set them to open and set up termination on the thing that the output is connecting to (or if it has no switches it's probably internally done).

So those switches toggle termination, yes.

If you ever needed to terminate something that didn't do it automatically AND didn't have switches (or if your switch was stuck to 'open') you'd do it like this.

>Finally get around to rgb modding my N64

>...still looks like dog piss

>>3298680
Try using RF coaxial ;)

>>3298680
N64 is probably one of the worst consoles in terms of RGB mods, you're not going to get a much better picture than s-video and it will only be marginally better, if at all. I've read this multiple times on various sites/forums so surely you came across that fact as well.

Maybe you could consider the UltraHDMI, or do that hack to remove the antialiasing stuff

>>3298724

Yeah, I used to have a gameshark but I think it's in storage or in a closet somewhere. Will try to pick another one up tomorrow when I get off work.

After being initially disappointed, I did some A/B testing with S-video and it's still definitely worth it. I don't have to fiddle with the chroma setting to try and guess how strong the colors should be, but the main benefit is that the image is much stronger. I don't have to dime the contrast and crank the brightness any more just to get a bright enough picture and be able to see things in the bottom ~25% of the luminance scale. I can leave the settings the same as they are for the rest of my consoles.

I think mostly I'd just forgotten or not realized how bad N64 really is. As a kid I played it on a dog shit consumer set, so the set was the limiting factor. Now the N64 itself is the limiting factor and I'm not used to seeing its flaws so clearly.

>>3298724
>you're not going to get a much better picture than s-video
>it will only be marginally better, if at all.
Completely false. Not only does the RGB increase the clarity and color accuracy exponentially, the newest mod has the VI De-Blur that removes the secondary layer of anti-aliasing like the Ultra HDMI.

The GameShark will remove the primary layer of anti-aliasing, but leaves too much dithering and pixelation behind.

>>3298724

>UltraHDMI
>http://ultrahdmi.retroactive.be/

>Won't sell directly to customers
>Have to buy at inflated reseller / modder prices

>I literally rework boards for a living (IPC certified) but this assmunch won't sell to me
>everywhere's on a waiting list anyways

>besides, have to use lcd or laggy/expensive HDMI-> RGBs/SCART converter

Last time I checked in this thing was still vaporware, kinda surprised it actually ended up coming out, if only in very limited quantities.

It does look cool for the future (once they get some competition or knockoffs going), but it doesn't seem to be worth my $160+ at the moment. I can understand it being worthwhile for someone with a nice 5ms gaming monitor and "no space" for a PVM though.

>>3298805

>newest mod

Link? Search terms I should be using?

>>3298805
Cool, I didn't know that. My knowledge is a bit outdated I suppose. There's a difference, but in my experience s-video and RGB n64 wasn't too much of a leap.

>>3297968
There's a pretty good chance that is Digital RGB, i.e CGA.

>>3298330
I've had a cleaner version of that sitting on my mediafire for like a year now.

85MB as opposed to 5.6MB, and seems to be much higher res and quality as well.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s0973umfjap06cb/Sony_BVM_20F1__-_20E1__-_14F1__-__14E1__-_14F5__-_14E5__Service_Manual.pdf

>>3298843
This thread talks about it. You can do it with your FPGA, or reflash Tim's N64RGB for it.

>>3298885
Thanks for the link.

>>3298885
Thanks for the link, this one is good enough to probably get printed. Now of have both manuals for each of my new sonys

>>3298885
Can I connect the H & V sync together from a vga to RGBHV adapter using those T plugs into my BVM?

How do I connect my pc to my crt, without the picture looking like ass?

>>3298805
>disabling antialiasing
>Wanting N64 graphics to be just as jagged and shitty as PSX graphics
Also, the s-video to RGb hop has minimal impact on the 64. I tested it the other day on the panasonic monitor with the console cracked open.

(this is not a pic from that test, btw, just me playing Zelda on my Toshiba CRT)

>>3292097
if I ever won the lottery, I would have done this but sell directly to consumer at factory prices. Limit 1 per customer and because shipping heavy ass shit would add on to the price, it would be obvious who the scalpers are if they ever attempted to re-sell new or used. Of the people, for the people.

I think the forest temple is my least favorite dungeon in this game. Worse than the water temple.

>>3292097
pro CRTs could cost multiple thousands of dollars to produce. The ones we buy are (typically, I think) depreciated a lot like a used car.

last pic to spam for now.

>>3299015
no offense but these screenshots look terrible; maybe work on your setup before you make fun of other people for wanting to disable n64's shitty antialiasing

>>3299074
>The ones we buy are (typically, I think) depreciated a lot like a used car.
All CRTs are deprecated.

>>3299079

Seems like people do combine syncs like this without problems

>>3299158
N64 is gonna look like shit either way m8.

Took me about 9 hours total. Can finally say I experienced Zelda 1, totally worth it.

2 is still better though

Wii VC through composite

>>3299239

>>3299246

Could some one explain to me how a pc crt like this differs from a tv or pvm. Does the technology work the same way?

Things look a lot sharper and the virwsonic pc crt, and I seem to see "scan lines" when using resolutions of lower than 640x480

>>3299254
A pc crt is 31khz and are used for higher resolutions. tvs/pro monitors are generally 15khz with a few exceptions (multiformat ones)

>>3294125
>>3293314
>>3293313
>>3294130
Nice, digging these

>>3299273
here's some more phosphor smut

>>3299008
It's a dirty way of combining sync, but it will work in a pinch. It'd be better to build a small circuit to combine them, or perhaps use a cheap Extron RGB Interface to process the sync.

>>3299273
How's about...

>>3299302
..some interlaced content?

>>3299303
Ah ok. I'll look for a cheap interface on ebay then.

>>3299302
So I go VGA ->interface ->monitor (with desired sync type, either RGBS or RGsB if the interface/monitor supports it)?

>>3299335
That's the general idea.

I've mainly used mine just for simplifying connecting my laptop the the Megaview.

>>3298885
>>3297968
>>3298336
And it's definitely CGA.

Ooh boy, one of my favorite youtubers just got a pro monitor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eATyGSQ2-E

A co-worker of mine says he knows this guy trying to get rid of an old crt. So far he's told me the following about the thing:

Its from around 1985.
Toshiba.
Fucking huge, he says it's 40 inches.
Wood frame, and finish, and a large speaker underneath.
Says it was used in a karaoke bar, it's possible the thing is from an Asian market, I dunno.
Says 4 strong guys had trouble lifting it. I'm imagining this thing being massive.

Anyways he says hell see if he can get the model number for me, but I wanted to ask if anyone here would have any inkling what the heck this thing could possibly be.

>>3299624
Hrm im not sure

I feel like its more likely 37" but i could be wrong
sounds like its worth getting though

>>3299624
Something like this?

>>3299661
>playing duck hunt
>try to cheat by holding gun right up to screen
>have to sprint from one side of the screen to the other
>sweaty after first round

Can anyone recommend me a downscaler?
component or composite im fine if it has 100ms of lag or so just not over that much.

>>3299845
You mean a scan converter? I've got these two.

The Corioscan outputs cvbs, svideo and rgb. The Extron does all that plus ypbpr. Haven't measured input lag but doubt either is over 100ms. Obviously the Extron has that "pro" look and feel to it but performance wise I'd be pushed to tell a difference. Considering the Corio was 1/10th the price I'd be tempted to call it a bargain.

>>3299918
i mean something consumer and that isnt 20 years old

i know of the extrons and they dont lag

>>3299918
Anything close to 100ms is fucking awful tho.

>>3299254
using a Philips 109b and it's my go-to monitor for games that were designed for 4:3, which I end up cranking the res up to 1920x1440 when possible. It has hard scanlines which are visible from res 1024x768 and lower. The lower the res, the harder the scanlines get too so it's nice for 640x480 games and emulation but that is as low as it goes natively. Upscaled games still manage to look nice thanks to the scanlines though but all I play are FPS games and Demul.

>>3299158
Well not shit it looks bad, it's on a consumer TV with convergence issues over s-video.

N64 output is NOT shit, though, so I don't really know what the hell you're expecting from it.

>>3299254
>iphone blurry pic
>not even rotated right

The technology is the same between a PC CRT and a TV or broadcast monitor (note that Sony PVMs are, contrary to popular belief, not the only broadcast monitors in existance). The difference is in the horizontal sync rate that the CRT's controller boards were designed to run at. TV's and broadcast monitors typically run at about half the speed horizontally as a PC CRT, outputting 240 lines of a frame in the time it takes for a PC CRT to output 480. Theoretically, with the right controller circuitry, you could make a tube from a PC monitor run at TV scan rates.

>>3299940
>a scan converter that doesn't lag at all
bullshit. It might be pretty small amounts, but it's still going to lag. Tell me mathematically how it WOULDN'T lag when it needs to buffer at least one line of video before it can transmit it to the TV (2x upscaling would require sending out pixels twice as fast as they are coming in, which is impossible to do in real time since the pixels you're trying to send out haven't even come in yet).

>>3300132
Actually, it might be doable with only half a line buffered, but I've not actually worked this out on paper and I have a feeling the different-speed horizontal blanking period could mess this up.

>>3300132
were talking about downscalers and i dont care about minuscule imperceptible lag

>>3300132
I don't think many downscalers have any practical lag, its mostly upscalers..

Amiga 1080 again. Since getting VGA out of the Wii would require 480p, thus disabling 240p on VC and scaling the games, I decided it isn't worth the cable it seems - at least for the Wii part. I also wanna hook up my PS2 to play PS1/2 games and the cable I was gonna buy had the Sony hookup. Would using it for my PS2 work out better since there isn't any scaling involved? Or should I just invest in a Component to VGA converter and get both bases covered.

http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/rgb_compare.html
..speaking of palette's
look how off this guy's NESRGB palette is

its really painful to look at
are the colors of any of his other RGB modded screenshots fucked on other systems? or is this mainly a NES issue

>>3300428
It's NES specific. Most systems output RGB at some point, the NES does not. The NESRGB boards basically pull their colors out of their asses with no regard for how the actual colors looked.

Unsaturated-V5 is an alternate slightly better palette you can flash with a special cable and M$ windows, but it's still not perfect.

>>3300186
Downscalers are probably doable without lag, if you're content with dropping every other pixel. Otherwise (if you want smoothing/blending) it'll take some processing time (shouldn't be too bad but your light gun won't work properly).

>>3300523
and since we're talking analog video I should specify that a 'pixel' is being determined by the input pixel clock, and you can drop every other pixel if your output has exactly half the pixel clock of the input.

>>3300375
you will probably want YPbPr to RGB ('vga'). I don't have a PS2 but from what I remember the PS2 doesn't output RGB like the PSX does. (can someone confirm?)

>>3299195
>deprecated
and
>depreciated
are not the same words.

>>3299281
>>3299302
>>3299303
Thanks lads these are great too. so comfy

So I picked up a 35 inch mitsubishi from a fellow anon I met here a while back. Anon, you know who you are. Cant thank you enough.
Anyways, this thing is a monstrosity. Weighs very close to 300Ib/over 120kg. I couldn't even get it up my narrow stair case without the help of two guys who happened to be passing by. They were pretty big and strong, and even THEY had difficulty moving it. The only way we actually got it up the stairs was by rolling it over and over awkwardly up the steps. It worked at least and I was able to slide it into my room from there...

I'll take pics of the thing when I get home, only have a poor cell phone camera, so can't say the pics will be very good quality... but I wanted to showcase the sheer size of the blasted thing. I have my 20l2 sitting on top, and it's almost comical how much the Mitsubushi dwarfs the little trini. Almost seems like an 8 incher, without proper perspective.

Oh, and it goes without saying that RGB looks really really good on it. Any Snes 240p stuff especially. If there's any reason for me to get a dreamcast and Saturn or even a GameCube or wii, I think now I have it. Since this monitor is essentially a multiformat.

Now I do have one question for you guys. I really really really want to get the manual for this thing. Where could I go about getting said manual? I don't mind paying money for one. But Google isn't helping at all.

>>3300601
>rolling it over and over awkwardly up the steps.
rip convergence
rip geometry
rip purity

>>3300637
Yeah, it sounds bad but I checked the image carefully after I got it into my room. My stairs are carpeted, and I made sure that the tv was handled with some semblance of care. In any case, the wood frame is thick as all hell, and could probably survive much deadlier bumps then what it got today.

>>3297663
Alien (1979) is on laserdisc, pic related. Hoping some anon will capture it for fellow anons.

Pretty much every popular /vr/ movie is on laserdisc

sadly its composite only, which some anons will have issues with

Anyone else find that with some games composite or s-video looks better because of saturation and more apparent dithering?

>get a multiscan BVM
Why do people even suggest this?

>poor? just win the lottery

>>3300535
>from what I remember the PS2 doesn't output RGB like the PSX does. (can someone confirm?)
The PS2 can output either YPbPr, regular RGB or 31 kHz RGB SOG depending on system configuration and game support.

>>3297663
Pretty much any highly popular AAA title really. No, I'm not joking. LD's were made of major movies up until the late 90's, and these days all the people who built up LD collections are transferring over to Blu-Ray. So there's millions of copies of stuff like Terminator 2 for $5 or less. I got Terminator 2, Aliens, and Secret of NIMH for $10 total.

I just wish I could figure out a way to force s-video out of my player, since I have a s-video setup and the LD player is the odd man out.

Never got this answered last thread but how does the extron RGB work? Can i convert the 480i DC games as well to 240? Can this also work for connecting my Laptop to play MAME titles?

>>3300879
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de 2nd last section

>>3297757
>There is a criterion collection version of Akira for like, $40-$50, It's the awful English Dub though.

The Streamline Akira dub has some classic moments tho, such as "men, we're going to the Olympics!".

>>3300929
>CAANNNEEEEEDDDDAAAA!!
>OKAY LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Streamline dubs are so cheesy but I'm a sucker for those late 80s-early 90s dubs.

>>3300887
read all that so i'm assuming that a 480p image can be downscaled as well? Thanks for the help btw.