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Previous thread: >>3253787
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting: http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
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>> No.3272613
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PVM's are a beaut.

>> No.3272619
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>>3272613

trini's too

>> No.3272653

>>3272619

not with that convergence they don't

>> No.3272685

>>3272613
>>3272619
Both of these CRTs are fucked.

>> No.3272697
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guess what kind of crt

>> No.3272703
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>>3272685
Turtles just looks like it's out of focus, and the

Pokemans looks more like composite artifacts rather than convergence issues. Some geometry issues though.

>> No.3272713

>>3272697

>crushed whites

consumer trinitron

>> No.3272854
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35" mitsu from 1989, still kickin

>> No.3272890

>>3272685

how so?

>> No.3272901

>>3272854
That the console one? I saw one on craigslist but they're asking $200 for it, also, 260lbs is insane.

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>>3272607
Hi guys.

Need your help here. Today I got a Sony KX20PS1 amazing picture and image tuning for a 30 years old Monitor.

The problem is it look like the On Off button is faulty or something like that. Strange thing is When I press it the On and Off leds are lighted at the same time and nothing show on screen. it really annoying to make it work.

I also have a problem with my Snes as it look like it don't send video signal on the screen even if there is sound.

For the 2nd problem I think it come from the cable as I am using a Gamecube cable maybe?

If someone know how to repair this I would be grateful.

>> No.3272990

>>3272981
how are you connecting this?

scart or composite?

that's a nice tv, I have the NA version and I really like the actual aesthetic

>> No.3273023

>>3272990
Thanks for the reply.
Scart as i am in Europe.

PS : Is this thing really a TV ? Who would need side speakers connected by Spade and speakers wire pin,RCA input and seriously a BNC connector ? If this is a TV then this is a bad ass TV.

>> No.3273051

>>3273023
It's a TV in the sense that it outputs at 15khz and accepts the same inputs that TVs do. Most likely it was made to be a PC monitor for some kind of 8bit computer, i.e. an MSX or commodore or something like that, which were compatible with TVs but better suited to a dedicated monitor like yours.

>> No.3273069

>>3273023
>>3273051

The difference between a "TV" and a "monitor" is that a television has an RF tuner in it.

Monitors are for receiving local signals only.

>> No.3273087

>>3273069
>>3273051
Thanks for the details.

I picked up from a retired guy who used to work on TV control room.

He got some nice hardware in his house. I Picked a PVM from him too.

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>>3272854
Is that from Origins or Dawn of Souls in 240/160p?

Too lazy to go find them in the former, so here's a bestiary shot from the latter.

>> No.3273472

Hey guys, having a strange issue with a Sony 27KS100 (one of the silver flatscreen ones that seem to be everywhere).

Basically, on every input EXCEPT FOR COMPONENT the screen is not extremely black when it should be - some phosphors are clearly being lit, tinting it slightly reddish - and there's a slight rippling effect starting at the bottom of the screen and moving up. It's really noticeable on dark screens, i.e. tons of NES games that used black backgrounds. It can't be anything to do with the cords because again, it's on all composite and s-video inputs, even when the console is powered off.

Is there any way to fix this? If it's something I can fix with the service menu I'll give it a shot, but if it's something where I'd have to get in there with a soldering gun around lethal voltages I'll pass, there's plenty of dirt cheap TVs around me and I'm considering downsizing to a smaller set (preferably not a flatscreen because of those geometry issues) anyway, the only reason I haven't is because sixth gen stuff looks damn fine with component on this set.

>> No.3273639

>>3272981
you can't use a GC cable with a PAL SNES. You need a cable specificaly for PAL SNES.

>> No.3273819

I'm sort of confused about the difference between 480i and 240p. Will I lose any detail by deinterlacing the 480i signal from 6th gen consoles? My CRT isn't capable of 480p and I want the best possible image. Should those consoles be hooked up to an HD display?

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>>3273819
Unless you are able to deinterlace and take 480i content up to 480p, leave it as 480i.
Deinterlacing after the fact and taking a 480i output and turning it into 240p will give you either a jumpy and nasty looking picture, a blurry image, or both.
If you're somehow able to get the system to render and output in 240p itself, this can give better results, but will result in a loss of vertical resolution.

This applies to actual 480i games; If a port/collection/etc displays a game that was originally in 240p as 480i, and you have a way to turn it back to proper 240p, go for it.

This is 240p dong, using Swiss to have the GC output 240p rather than the 480i it normally would.

>> No.3273846

>>3273819

If the game runs at 480p/60 internally 480i output loses some detail (only half the image is being drawn per frame)

If the game runs at 480p/30 (or less) internally an interlaced signal carries all the information of the game.

The only 6th gen games i'm like 100% sure run at 480p/60 fps are Tony Hawk 3 and 4. (There are probably others).

I went the (expensive) multiformat PVM route because I wanted lagless 480p for my 6th gen games. If the games and system are 100% 480p (backwards compatible Wii, original Xbox? , backwards compatible PS3? ) you can also use a VGA cable or YsPbPr -> RGBHV transcoder and a computer CRT monitor.

PS2 and gamecube are annoying because you generally have to boot the system in 480i and navigate the hack menu before you can turn on 480p. A 480p-only VGA monitor will show no output during this time, though I suppose you could memorize the button sequence or use it in a weird combination with a 15khz tv and swapping the cables.

>> No.3273852

>>3273472

It's possible your set has different presets for brightness/contrast/tint etc depending on the input in use. One of my BVMs had the 480i input all fucked up and red as hell, but 480p was just fine because they were different settings.

Pay attention to the settings visible and see if they change from component to composite. If so, simply write down and copy the settings you like from the component inputs and enter them with a composite signal connected.

If it's a gain/bias issue you may need to work your way into the service menu. Write down all the current settings before you start messing with them

>> No.3273856

>>3273840
>>3273846
So essentially unless the game itself supports 480p, running in 480i will always give the best image clarity?

I know PS2 games run almost universally in 480i, but like you said, original Xbox and a ton of GameCube games have progressive scan. I just have a regular consumer set from the early 2000s with component, composite, and s-video and am trying to figure out how to get the best picture for GCN (Wii) and Xbox. PS2 through component looks much better than composite but not as sharp as I was hoping, likely due to it being interlaced.

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>>3272901
yes it is
>>3273447
origins, ps2, y/c

I just popped in some u.n. squadron and noticed some distortion, any idea what would cause this?

>> No.3273863

>>3273023
When I bought mine the seller also had the original tuner for it available

its branded as a profeel monitor here, predecessor to the pvm I believe

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>>3273860
the text seems weird. here's some depressed leon to show the same effect. on a different 240p console

>> No.3273869

>>3273856
It's not just the interlace, a bunch of 6th gen games will use whats called a flicker filter to try to make interlace look better but also makes it more blurry. I know a few games let you turn it off in options, like SSB Melee and FFXII.

>> No.3273874

>>3273846
>and gamecube
Hold B at boot, press A button.

If the game supports progressive scan, you've now activated it. Alternatively, if you're using a Wii, just have the Wii set to boot in 480p by default and you're good to go.
Comparing it to the PS2's mish-mash of activation methods is silly.

F-Zero GX is the go-to 480p60 6th gen game for me.

>>3273860
I had a feeling it was Origins. Have a copy of it laying around, but no saves to screw around with.

>> No.3273881

My TV cuts off some of the image at the top and bottom of the screen. Will adjusting the vertical size setting in the service menu fix that?

>> No.3273889

>>3273881
Yep

>> No.3273893

>>3273889
Cool, was hoping that was the right setting. Will it squash the image any horizontally/fuck up the aspect ratio though?

>> No.3273902

>>3273893
It may require you to adjust horizontal size a bit as well in order to keep(or fix if it isn't currently) the geometry correct.

>> No.3274157

>>3273868
crack it open and adjust the focus

>> No.3274176

>>3273840
>converting 480i into 240p
literally autism

>> No.3274181
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>>3274176
it has some purposes

>> No.3274304

>>3273852
Settings in the menu are identical across all inputs. The odd thing is is that it does seem to go away if the picture mode is set to anything other than standard - even sports, which makes everything brighter. Again though, even on standard, the component input doesn't have this issue.

>> No.3274651

if im playing ps2 on a crt through component where the fuck am i supposed to put the sharpness setting at? it's an RCA flat tube btw.

>> No.3274860

>>3274651
As sharp as it will go without artifacts appearing around high contrast edges

>> No.3274963

I'm going to set up a wiki for us, for a few purposes.
1) Documenting specific models that we've owned and used. This will make it so that people will have a place to search for a specific unit that someone might be selling on craigslist - this way, they'll have somewhere to look for info that is suited to retro games, instead of going off of whatever reviews from people who likely only used the display for TV and movies there are online.
2) Centralized info.
3) List of brands, display types, stuff to avoid/look for, stuff like that.

The first one is the biggie. Anyway, what should I host it on? I was thinking wikia but if anyone knows of any other free wiki hosting sites that'd be great.

>> No.3274989

>>3273860

That's 'ringing' or 'ghosting'. Note how it only appears on the right hand side of the white lines, that is, forwards in time as the scanline is drawn from left to right.

Usually you can fix this with a better quality cable or input method (S-video, component, rgb)

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I'm looking for the cheapest and best Scart switcher on Ebay. Is this thing garbage?

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>>3275287

>> No.3275360

>>3273881
Not if you're using a pal console

>> No.3275367

>>3275281
Yes, you want one that is powered

>> No.3275379

>>3275281
If it's a cheap scart switch, then it is garbage. You don't want to go cheap on those, unless you like losing your signal quality and getting annoying noisy audio.

>> No.3275383

>>3274651
I always put it either right in the middle or all the way down. Whichever doesn't touch the signal.

>> No.3275395

Some of you know shit about 240p and 480i so I figured I'd ask.

I noticed on the PS3, it will upscale PS1 games and make them look beautiful and crisp. When it does this with PS2 games, they typically look like garbage. Smoothing helps, but not much. Is this because the PS2 games were shit 480i and the PS1 games were clean 240p?

How the fuck do I force 480p?

>> No.3275420

>>3275351
wtf is wrong with your CRT?
What's the source?

>> No.3275426

>>3275395
Not sure if IIT will work but you could try a component cable

>> No.3275431

>>3275426
A duo-r

>> No.3275432
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>>3274157
it looks better in person I'm using an old point and shoot that doesn't like displays. I am interested though. I couldn't find a service manual for my exact set but a similar 35" console on manulslib. I might give it a go.

>>3274989
it's on the left on playstation which has an old cheapass interact cable. The Snes has a nice diy cable grounded to both pins. could it be in the connection to the pcb in the tv or traces too close together? I guess I'll try some new cables, I can always sell what I don't need or have backups

>> No.3275438
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I bought an SNES today. Here it is hooked up to my CRT. I don't know anything about this, but it does look nice and cozy. I couldn't get a better photo of it (for obvious reasons).

>> No.3275447

Can I have your advice in purchasing a BVM?
I live in the greater Los Angeles area and don't know what to look for, the best places to look or how much I should be paying. I own a first model snes, genesis model 2, and a saturn if that helps.

Currently on craigslist
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pho/5604249696.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/5592964978.html

Are bvms THAT MUCH better than pvms? Should I bother with brands other than sony?
Thanks.

>> No.3275479

>>3275426
>>3275431
It's currently hooked up via HDMI, so I'm not sure what you mean. A component cable for the PS2 on the PS3 slot?

>> No.3275483
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>>3275447
No, crts in general are garbage and produce fuzzy scanlines that interfere with the art of the game. This is why scanlines are never included in the screenshots of the games.

>> No.3275495

>>3275360
I'm not. Just got the screen size to what it's supposed to be. I've always played with HUDs and shit cut off at the top and bottom as long as I've had this TV (since I was a kid) and it's fucking amazing how much of the picture I've been missing. I think I've got this TV as good as it's going to get, and the difference is like night and day.

Why are default settings on most consumer sets such absolute fucking garbage, to the point where you have to go into the service menu just to fix it?

>> No.3275502

>>3275479
A component cable supports 480p. The ps3 will work with a ps2 component cable. I'm pretty sure the ps3 with display at 480p with it plugged in

>> No.3275505

>>3275502
HDMI cables can do 480p though.

>> No.3275520

>>3275502
UWATM8

Are you setting it to double scale and using 4:3 on the tv? I find mine looks best with smoothing off and the sharpness or detail setting all or most of the way down. FFXII can do 16:9 though just turn the flicker filter off in the options or it will still be blurry.

>> No.3275531

>>3275520
Which settings?

Fuck.

>> No.3275535

>>3275447
They are much better but pvms are still great. For those consoles you only need 240p so you don't need a multi format monitor. Look for a pvm/bvm with bnc inputs for r,g,b, and sync. If it's got that it's most likely really decent and you will be able to get the best picture possible out of your console. You then need some cable or adapter solution to get rgb + sync from your consoles to the monitor as separate bnc connectors. All your current consoles will output rgbs without being modded as standard. Personally I use console scart cables to a scart - rgbs 4 RCA adapter to 4 RCA cables - 4 rca-bnc connectors to the monitor. No idea how much they would cost in your area but I would imagine with holly wood/porn being there they would be very plentiful. Good luck!

>> No.3275575

>>3275447
>Should I bother with brands other than sony?
Yeah, you should if you can find them for a better price than those craigslist posting. JVC and Panasonic made some great monitors.

>> No.3275582

>>3274963
Would do much better than a medley of pastebins, that's for sure.

I don't know if ITEM-3/"The guy who controls gametechwiki" is still around, but I think that would be a really nice place to look to, since it hosts /vr/'s (relatively unmaintained) Repair/Mod General Wiki as well as /vg/'s emugen wiki.
No reason to resort to wikia when there's a choice closer to home.

/r/crtgaming actually has something similar in approach to that, but people are too lazy to update things for the most part.

>> No.3275669

>>3275505

>lag

>> No.3275676

>>3275479

>buy a CRT
>buy a ps1/ps2/ps3 composite AV cable

done.

You can also upgrade to a CRT that takes 480p over component for the mild autism variant, or a professional multiformat monitor that will support lagless 480p over component for the ultimate autism

>> No.3275686

>>3275447

If that BVM was multiformat I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat, but it's 15khz-only. $500 is a little too much for my taste for a 240p/480i 20 incher but tastes differ.

If the PVM is in good condition (no phosphor burn in, no screen scratches, h-sync jitter on 240p not visible from >1 ft, all three guns work strong) then it's a good deal. $200 for a 20" is a pretty good deal.

BVMs are a *tiny* bit crisper but mostly it has to do with the absolute fuckton of options they have for super fine tuning everything. I actually like my PVMs better because they're a bit more "get up and go" as compared to some complicated shit you've got to read the manual for.

>> No.3275735

>>3275686
>200$ for a pvm
maybe if its in perfect condition

>> No.3275794

>>3275531
sorry that was my dvd settings, disable 1080i in display settings, set upscaling to normal and use 4:3 or narrow mode on your hdtv, then lower the sharpness all the way and turn it back up until it starts looking too jaggy then turn it back down a bit. Sometimes the ps3 scaler can be wonky though so you might want to try disabling 1080p then 720p and see which resolution works best as most tv's can scale 480p and up just fine.

>> No.3275795

>>3275794
and don't use smoothing as that just makes everything blurrier.

>> No.3275852
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My Spanish neighbors are doing something and they are giving me a bunch of stuff and I just got this, my first CRT, thoughts? DVD players works as well.
Sorry for shit quality

>> No.3275869

>>3275852

>My Spanish neighbors are doing something
>moving?
>prison?

I can only confirm you do in fact now have a CRT.

>> No.3275882

>>3275852
Find out what connections you have in the back and use the best one.

>> No.3276323
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how can i get better convergence for my NEC FE990? As you can see by the picture, its kinda curved atm
i know perfect convergence is impossible but i want to get as close as possible

>> No.3276526

>when a ground is not the same as a ground
fucken electronics I swear...

>> No.3276563

>>3276323
>Flatscreen
You're just fucked when it comes to convergence, I'm sorry.

>> No.3276571

>>3275281
I find one of the best advantages of SCART is that it's just a single plug. The mere seconds it takes for me to just swap systems manually is great.

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>>3276323
You talking about the bottom edge? That's normal. "Flat" tubes are only flat on the fromt surface. The inside (where the phosphors are deposited) still has a slight curve to it.

Also, you're referring to geometry, not convergence. Convergence issues would have to be pretty extreme to show on such a shitty picture. Like pic related extreme...

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>>3276571
doing this ruins the socket. Use an extension if you must.
>>3275281
you pic is a piece of shit (but it does have some uses, one of which I hope to show soon).
What you want is a scart switch that has a side bulge, because it hides long switches. Pic related is probably the most you can get in mechanical form.

>> No.3276735

Really stupid question, but people have been able to mod regular CRTs to output RGB. Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?

>> No.3276738

>>3276735
>Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?
No.

>> No.3276757

>>3276735
>output
That is not the word you want

>> No.3276852

>>3276735
>Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?
Yes. But it's very very difficult, there will be also strong (color)flicker.

http://www.labguysworld.com/Goldmark1_001.htm

>> No.3276918

What setting would fix this sort of inward skewing that sort of looks like two inverted paranthesis ) ( on a Sony Wega service menu?

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Street Fighter Zero 3 from a Saturn going out via RGB to a PVM-8044Q.

>> No.3276981

>>3276918
UPIN and LPIN I think.

Make sure you note the starting values before you go changing them.

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>>3276918
>>3276981
Actually you might be better off with PAMP or a combination of all three.

Just note your settings beforehand and be methodical. It's not really that hard, just requires patience and logical thinking.

>> No.3277016

>>3276993
>SEXY

>> No.3277023

>>3277016
crt curves are sexy. dont try to fuck your crts its too dangerous.

>> No.3277086

Got another watchman at goodwill; this one's in color. Gotta say, the images aren't perfect, but for their size they can be pretty crisp and vivid. Clarity matters a lot less when playing on something smaller than 5 inches, but there's some fun and novelty in playing on something tiny. Very bad for Japanese kanji though.

Would post pictures but my phone camera doesn't accurately capture the image color and brightness.

>> No.3277090

>>3277086
post pics.

>> No.3277094

>>3275432
Grab a pic might be similar to my 35" mitsu

But focus should be on the flyback with h,v focus adjust and maybe gamma adjust

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>>3277090
Here's the body of the Watchman. Seems it came out in 1994. These colors are mostly right, and I broke out the ol' photography lamp. Game boy added for size. Screen is ~5". Table is covered in stuff because I'm still recovering the room from an influx of goodwill finds. Disregard the dust on the table; it's chalk because the tabletop is a chalkboard.

>> No.3277328
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>>3277315
The color on this image is not nearly correct. Everything is a lot brighter in real life and no matter my iso, white balance, and color settings I can't really bring out the color. Some of the blurriness is the potato camera, the shot distance, and the fact that this thing's best input is composite.

If anybody cares I can post pictures of another game, but I'm sure you don't. The main appeal is that you can put these just about anywhere and connect a game system to it and it has a charming look. Not so charming if your eyesight isn't good or you're trying to read text.

>> No.3277347

>>3277315
I have a b&w megaview. they are cute tvs. Does yours have rca inputs for easy hooking up?
>>3277328
That looks decent im sure its better irl. Also try anime/movies will look great.

>> No.3277375

>>3277328
Super rad, I've actually been on the lookout for a 5-8" color TV, but I've only found B&W ones thus far.

>> No.3277409

neat, post Super Mario World next

I have a 5" PVM but it kind of defeats the purpose to have a "small" tv when it's still like a foot deep. Yours seems to have a much more practical footprint.

>> No.3277415
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>>3276945
Nice! I have a 8042Q and it looks great on RGB. Here's Saturn outrun running on mine

>> No.3277527
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>>3277347
If this unit is anything to go by, later color watchmans have a composite video and mono audio rca input like this one.

My older mega watchman FD-500 only has a 3.5 mm minijack external antenna input that can be used with a F-type coaxial to 3.5mm adapter for use with an RF modulator. And someone told me that you can mod the unit for composite input, which I'm still on the fence for doing. Older (especially handheld with 1"-2" screen) watchmans might lack even the ext ant input and might require jury rigging the coaxial cable directly to the antenna, though I'm not sure how well this works.

Short of actually connecting a DVD player with anime to the unit I chose to look at a Saturn game's animated FMV. Due to size and let's face it, PVM this is not and accuracy the compression artifacting that plagues Saturn videos is lessened.

>>3277375
Well, as far as I'm concerned you can do no wrong looking out for later models of the Mega Watchman or the Color Watchman. I had a chance to get another old panasonic B/W portable TV, but there was no power adapter to test it.

>> No.3277542
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3277542

>>3277409
Well, I know if I ever found one I'd jump for a 5" PVM no matter the length. This TV is nice for what it is, but you can be the judge on how it probably doesn't compare to a pro monitor. Of course keeping in mind that these pictures aren't exactly what I'm seeing. Barring having your face inches from the screen, it's not that noticeable.

>> No.3277551

>>3277328
What is is that? Is that UNO DX?

>> No.3277612
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3277612

XM29 pops up on ebay for 199 then suddenly it's 700 with 4 days to go still. The same person bid twice in a row. What a joke, This shit isnt worth it anymore. How many of you have actually paid these ridiculous prices for monitors? Who are these people? I can't justify spending more than 200, after all it's really just an old ass CRT. The difference between a consumer trinitron and RGB monitors can't be that good for these prices.

>> No.3277618
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3277618

>>3277612

>> No.3277632

>>3277612
Shopping for these on ebay is a lost cause, just like buying actual cartridges and discs, at this point you're dealing with people who have wised up to the fact that these things are in demand and competing with people who have a large amount of disposable income on auctions. Your best bet is to follow the CRT hunting guide in the OP.

>> No.3277634

>>3277551
Yeah, it is. There's both a Saturn and PS version, but I generally only collect import Saturn stuff. You probably won't find it for a good price from a US source (read: ebay). This one was imported with a lot of other games from Surugaya.

>> No.3277691

>>3277634
>This one was imported with a lot of other games from Surugaya.
Do you need a proxy service to get stuff from that place?

>> No.3277697

>>3277612

>fox and grapes

>> No.3277761

>>3277691
Depends. If you aren't buying any items rated 18+ then you will be given the option to use paypal so you can purchase the items directly if you already have a paypal account. If there is 18+ stuff the option is disabled but your credit card may work still. I have a bank debit card backed by Visa that worked on the site (despite the site saying it actually doesn't accept foreign issue cards, which I only used because I was frustrated at the time as that note was only made on the final page where you enter the card info, and just wanted to go for it), but that's probably going to depend on your brand of credit card and possibly how your bank likes to handle credit card transfers.

If you manage to buy it directly on your own, then you have to ship it to a forwarding company in japan since surugaya doesn't do overseas shipment. If you can't get payment through, then you should go through a proxy service and have them take care of everything.

The /a/ and /a/ offshoot boards's buyfag guide lists proxy and forwarding services. Not all proxy services offer forwarding.

If you're not familiar:
http://www.buyfags.moe/Special_services

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>>3277612

I've paid those prices. They are the market rate, for people with more money than time.

The XM29 is a rare monitor, highly sought-after, and rarely appears on marketplaces that are widely searchable by the public.

If people are paying those prices, that is the very definition of market rate.

>mfw neetcucks priced out of the market

>> No.3277775
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3277775

>>3277542

Scratches are on the plastic scratch-plate, not the actual surface of the tube.

>> No.3277832
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3277832

>>3277542
>>3277775

Mario's in focus, rest is not. I think the scratch-guard is messing with the auto-focus. It looks a lot better in real life, I don't know shit about photography. The blown-out-ness is just from the camera.

Oh and I was wrong, this thing is actually 14" long. It ends up being the same depth as my 8"s (and almost as long as my 9") so it doesn't actually gain me any useful desk space.

They are around... if you're willing to pay ebay prices. I got mine for about $80, looks like the ones on there right now are either asking ridiculous prices or wanting you to buy three at once. I wouldn't really expect something like a modern-ish 5" PVM to pop up at a thrift store, could be wrong though.

Mine actually came inside a carrying case, which was sort of a positive thing for me on the listing - seemed more likely it was only used for the occasional location shoot and not left running 24/7 like some of the picture monitors you find.

Interestingly, that model you posted (5bx5) still seems to be going for about $50 and up (sold listings) on ebay. Only current listing is asking $110. If I could find a good price, I'd pick one up too. Would be a real neat workbench tv for old skate videos.

>> No.3277858

Anyone in the GTA have a multiformat?
I'll pay good money for one.

>> No.3277872

>>3277832
>>3277775
As you could see from the pictures, the 5bx5 isn't as sharp as a pvm (gee, I wonder why) but I like mine so far but obviously not for $110.

That said, I kinda really like those 3 pvm 5041qs in a rackmount. I have oscilloscopes that are about that length and I really like the A/V geek vibes rackmount equipment gives off. Perfect for that crowded electronics room aesthetic.

>> No.3277901

There is literally nothing video games about this thread.
You're talking about TELEVISIONS.
Go to /g/.

>> No.3277908

>>3277901
Fuck off, these threads have been on this board longer than you probably have.

>> No.3277924

>>3277901
televisions are important for playing video games

>> No.3277965

>>3277872

Yeah, I dig the rackmount aesthetic too. The thing that worries me though is that usually those multiple monitor kind of setups just scream "security cam" or "camera monitor" etc, the environments that are most likely to just leave them on 2000-8000 hours a year until they get blown out.

That one with the hood on it looks a bit more promising, except for that silly price. It's "or best offer", but <i>still</i>.

If you check out the "sold" listings, you can see that they pop up every ~2 weeks or so at reasonable prices ($90-ish shipped). Most of those too have the carrying case, so you've got a reasonable expectation they weren't used too much. The scratches on my scratch-guard are slightly annoying, but it's great knowing that I can take it off if I want and the actual tube is pristine. Like most things sony, I'm guessing I can buy a new cover for it too (if I want to spend as much as I did for the monitor).

PVM-8044Q and PVM-8045Q (8") are a bit more common, so they're cheaper, and are sharp as hell at 450 TVL. (The 5041Q has 250). They also come with S-video inputs, for better quality from unmodded N64s or you don't feel like shelling out for scart cables + Scart -> BNC adapters.

I picked up a BVM-D9H5U, but I kind of meme'd myself - at 9" there's not much of a difference between the interlaced and progressive scan modes, and I'm gonna have to shell out $88 to get a 4:3 mask if I want to get the full screen area.

>> No.3278061

Heads up for anyone in the San Antonia area. I'd say it's a fair price for a monitor this size.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-3230-32-Professional-Video-Monitor-Retro-Gaming-RGB-Trinitron-CRT-/222145754349?hash=item33b8eb34ed:g:vcMAAOSwLnBXV5~y

>> No.3278146

Is there any difference between flat and curved screen CRTs?

>> No.3278149

>>3278146
Flat screen have geometry issues that curved screens should not, and as such, you should try to find the latter, although they're less likely to have component inputs.

>> No.3278165

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/ele/5615032669.html

NEC XV-2930. I don't believe these can do 15khz over RGB, and their composite input is probably line doubled. Nice as a large 480p monitor.

>> No.3278198
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3278198

This thing is listed on craigslist near me, anyone ever seen one like this? I've never heard of it or the manufacturer, Sampo. At first it looked like an HD set or some budget shitbox but looking at the inputs on the back, I'm not so sure. Some searching online reveals that this multimedia monitor line mainly comprises presentation monitors, though this one looks like a consumer set. I found a manual online that has a list of supported resolutions in the back - it did list 720p/1080i, which makes me think it's an HDTV, though it also lists a bunch of different 640x480 resolutions - maybe it's a multiscan and one of those is 480i, thus meaning it can support 240p?

>> No.3278283

>>3278198
Sanyo
Only way to know is to test 240p composite if you see scanlines.

>> No.3278540

I'm not particularly tech-savvy so I'm hoping you guys can help me here.

My mom's Sony Trinitron Wega KV-34HS420N appeared to die the other day. When we tried to turn it on the Stand By/Timer light blinked 7-8 times and it wouldn't turn on. Already tried unplugging and replugging it, cleaning the dust off, and making sure it has proper ventilation space but it still won't turn on. Is it ded?

>> No.3278552
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>>3277527
>>3277328

>shadowmask

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>>3278552

Slot/shadowmasks are my favorite. I don't know what's going on in that guy's tv, as the cell resolution is really tiny.

>> No.3278642

>>3278629
>the cell resolution is really tiny.
maybe it's because it's tv is REALLY tiny....
>>3277315

>> No.3278669

Lads, I found a PVM-20M2MDU for $200 on Craigslist. I'm a bit new to the CRT thing, so would you say this price is worth it assuming it's in good condition?

>> No.3278706

>>3277858
Me too friend. Gta is a nightmare to find good pvms

>> No.3278804

How do you tell a good video switch from a bad one? Going to buy one soon.

>> No.3278964

Okay, some more things about the sampo. According to the manual, only one of its two component inputs and it's VGA support progressive scan signals. This would imply that the rest are 480i I guess...? Also, pic related is from the manual - the RGB is at 31khz since it's meant for plugging in a computer, but everything else is 15khz. If it's 15khz that means it's definitely 480i, right?

It's an hour away from where I live which is why I want to be reasonably sure before I drive out, if it was nearer I'd just haul along something with S-Video and test it. If it does support native 480i/240p as well as 480p+ it'll be an amazing find for everything up to sixth gen consoles.

>> No.3278965
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3278965

>>3278964
Forgot pic

>> No.3279018

>>3277901
>poor emukiddie detected

And you should fuck off to the emulation general on /vg/ because theirs nothing retro about it.

>> No.3279039

>>3278540
It's repairable if you feel alright working around the insides of CRTs.

If I'm remembering correctly, it's an issue with high voltage regulation. If you do manage to get it to turn back on(not entirely unlikely if you leave it sit for a while), and display video on it, bright scenes will cause the width of the picture to vary wildly.

I was actually having the same issue on my 27hs420. I never got around to opening it up to fix it properly, but leaving it sit, unplugged for a few months seemed to make the issue go away, and I don't use it often enough for it to be that high of priority.

>> No.3279131

>>3279039
So basically just leave it be for a while? Good to know. My mom took it as a sign to finally drop money on a LCD but I might take it if it starts working again since widescreen PS2 and Wii games look really good on it.

>> No.3279214
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3279214

>>3278198
>>3278964
>>3278965
Looks like a nice set which flies under the PVM radar, I'd jump on it. What size, 29"?
>>3278283
>Sanyo
No, Sampo. They made quite a few CRTs back in the 80s and 90s. OEM'd for Dell at one point.

>> No.3279242

>>3279214
29" or 32" is what I'm getting from the manual, I emailed the seller asking if they can check the model number for me. I've legitimately never heard of Sampo, from the looks of it outside of these semi-professional grade displays they mostly made TVs for continental east asia. They don't even seem to have an english website.

>> No.3279403
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3279403

>>3279242
How much are they asking out of interest?

Don't worry I'm yurop so won't be sniping hehe.

>> No.3279448

>>3279214
>Sampo
strange.
>>3278965
If it says 15khz anywhere in the manual then it will do 240p & 480i.

>> No.3279457

>>3279403
$45. I'm gonna go for it.

>> No.3279471

My CRT only has coaxial. That means it can only be mono, right?

Should I like buy a seperate stereo?

>> No.3279483

>>3278540
>KV-34HS420N
>HS

Don't bother

>> No.3279487

>>3279471
Buy a new CRT first

>> No.3279512

>>3279471
Nah it can be stereo but if that's all it has, it probably is mono. Easiest way to plug multiple things is the old fashioned way, get an old VCR and use it to route your consoles through. But seriously if it's coax only get another.

>> No.3279515
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3279515

Can anyone identify this model? Saw it on Craigslist

>> No.3279576

>>3279483
It's decent for 480p+ Component sources, and for video/television viewing.

>>3279515
"It's a Sony"

Contact the person who listed it and just ask them; Should be a sticker on the back that has it.

That said, mid 90s Trinitron, composite video, probably s-video. Somewhere in the 30 or so inch range, given the remote and Sony emblem size in comparison to the tube.

>> No.3279659

>>3279487
>>3279512
Aw, dang. That TV is my childhood. I admittedly am using a VHS to route into it at the moment, but the VHS only has one audio input, sooo...

>> No.3279672

>>3275438
simple but good. is it S-video or component cables?

>> No.3279686

>>3279659
If it has some sentimental value, by all means, hold onto it (I held onto an old 80s trinitron XBR for several years even though it only had composite because it was identical to a set my grandparents had) but you'll probably want something better to play your games on.

>> No.3279703
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3279703

Does anyone else own a Samsung GX?

It only has composite and coaxail input but the composite is pretty damn good IMO.

>> No.3279717

>>3279703
I was actually going to buy one of these on my local craigslist but the dude never responded to me.

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>>3279703
I've often wondered if it would be possible to modify for S-Video or RGB input, but it is a neat little thing all on its own.

>> No.3279726

>>3279659
if you are using a vcr to convert rca composite to coaxial you can hook up the audio to a receiver and speakers. Just make sure the source is stereo.

>> No.3279729

>>3279726
>>3279686
Thanks guys.

>> No.3279851

Can anyone here recommend a set of speakers and an headphone amp? Preferably total cost under $100, $150ish max.

I have a fiio e6 and a bunch of /g/csg iems (piston 3, KZ ATE S, rock zircons) but they all sound like they're at 90" separation on each side or more.

>> No.3279912
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3279912

Post setups

>> No.3279915

These threads are like porn holy shit.

>> No.3279923

>>3279912
Nice. Replace the gamecube with a genesis and thats almost perfect.

>> No.3279926

>>3279923
Gamecube is pretty much just there for show. I play all my gamecube games on the Wii over Component, though the GC does have very good S-video output.

The PS1 is probably getting replaced by a Fat PS2 soon, unless anyone can convince me that there is a reason not to.

Currently looking for a model 1 or 2 genesis, undecided on which one I want really, and I need to get some video switches soon.

>> No.3279929

>>3279926
If you want to use the gamecube for something other than show you could get a gameboy player and then some homebrew that replaces the normal GBP software (meaning you don't have to track down the expensive disc) and allows it to output 240p, also making it much brighter. Only problem is is that silver GBPs aren't easy to find if you want them to match.

>> No.3279935

>>3279929
Yeah, I'd prefer a purple or Spice (Orange) gamecube with matching player, though I know the Spice ones are japan only. I do have a Spice controller though.

>> No.3279942

I need some help guys.

So I sent this guy a message about a PVM-2530 on Craigslist, dude is located in Sunrise, FL and I'm in Tampa. It looked like it was in decent condition and I plan on testing geometry and shit when I get there but these things pop up so rarely in my area that driving ~8 hours total actually sounds worth it for muh scanlines.

I sent him an email and first I got a bounce, undeliverable message.

Here's the email exchange:


"Hi. When would you be able to come pick it up for $240?

-----Original Message-----
From:anon@4chan.org <randomnumber@reply.craigslist.org>
To: randomnumber <randomnumber@sale.craigslist.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2016 10:46 pm
Subject: PVM for sale on Craigslist

Hi,
I'm interested in the PVM you have on CL:I sent an email a day ago but I got an undeliverable message so I'm trying again.
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ele/5618342724.html
Is there any way you can hold it for me until next weekend? I live in Dunedin (near Tampa) and it's a bit of a drive to pick it up (3 hrs 45mins).
Thanks,
Anon"

Now the listing is down.
I've been burnt on CL before so I'm sketched the fuck out with the undeliverable and now the guy taking the posting down. His message was pretty damn short and unpersonable as well - I'm not going to drive ~4 hours to get fucking mugged.

Should I abort or am I being too paranoid? If this was local I'd bring a friend but nobody's willing to drive the arduous 8 hour roundtrip with me.

Also I'm kicking myself because I didn't download any of the pictures on the posting.

>> No.3279946

Guys I found a guy locally who has a JVC with RGB on it....it looks like a 13".

Should I go for it? He wants $120 for it.

>>3279515
get it

It looks like it's in good condition but those motherfuckers are heavy as fuck.

>> No.3279972

Has anybody here taken the OLED plunge?

I've seen a couple smaller Sony Tri-Sync displays selling on ebay for $1200ish. I'm not sure if they take RGB inputs but there's definitely BNC on the back of them.

I guess you could always do Framemeister passthru as well and just go HDMI, it would probably look like balls though.

>> No.3279975

>>3279942
Are they not emailing you back? I would try talking them down from 240 since would be driving so far.

>> No.3279998

>>3279975
I'm going to see if he'll do $180 for driving this weekend, it's literally all I can spare until my next paycheck.

This RGB shit get's expensive....totally worth it though

>> No.3280001

>>3279946

if it's a multiformat i'd pay $120 no question asked, as long as screen scratches/burn in/case damage are only very mild to non-existent.

if it's 15khz only I'd talk him down to $100. Give it two tries, and if he still won't budge I *might* pay $120 if it's modern-ish (>1996, RGBs/YPbPr, >=640 TVL) and in good condition phosphor/scratches wise).

*By /crt/ standards I'm a richfag with more money than time. Lotsa neetcucks on here who'll say "$40 tops", neglecting to value their labor hours (because they are fucking worthless).

>> No.3280081

>>3280001

>>3280001

Well, correction: if it's 15khz-only I'd talk him down to $100 or less (That price includes shipping/ value of your time + gas it takes to get to him).

For a mint, high TVL 13" 480i, I find $100 reasonable, but that drops depending on what's "wrong" with it. For a "low" TVL (<= 450), slight scratches, burn in, or lacking all four input options (composite, S-video, component, RGBs), <=$50 is a lot more reasonable.

The least I've paid for a 13"-ish-class is $50 (no burn in, case damage, or tube scratches but composite and RGBs only. was not feeling rushed because it was my seventh PVM/BVM etc), and the most I've paid is $240 (multiscan, all four major inputs, slight burn-in. was in a hurry because I wanted it NOW).

Depending on your /vr/ system, consumer 480i trinitrons with s-video can get pretty close in terms of quality for /vr/ stuff. The difference is really only night-and-day when comparing color depth, non /vr/ + dreamcast, or 480p+ consumer sets (lag city)

t. rich wagecuck

>> No.3280089

>>3280001
How do I know if it's multi-format?

I'm going to have it tested when I get there, the guy's already sold me a decent D9H5U for $155 (it's 16:9 though unfortunately, going to use it as a desktop monitor if I can find one of those stupid 4:3 faceplates)

Can I use one of those little converter pieces (RCA female to BNC male) to at least test it with dogshit composite?

>> No.3280093

>>3280081
thanks for the info

>> No.3280108

>>3274181
>converting a 480i signal that has been converted from a 240p source
>adding even more input lag
>in a fighting game no less
literally autism

>> No.3280120

>>3275483
>produce fuzzy scanlines that interfere with the art of the game
They don't you retard
Scanlines are blank lines that don't at all interfere with the original image

A CRT's phosphor is typically optimized for 480i
When a CRT displays 240p instead of upscaling it it instead just skips every 2nd line on the display resulting in a sharp unscaled image with no loss of information

>> No.3280124

>>3277761
Please don't spoonfeed next time.

>> No.3280140
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3280140

I got shafted on the $50 PVM and then this shows up 20 minutes from me for $150

Is it impossible to get a cheap PVM anymore?

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3280142

>>3280140
>article from 2006
>"yeah you can find these RGB monitors for a few bucks at thrift stores"

fuck

>> No.3280153
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3280153

Looking to replace a KV-27fs120 with unfixable geometry issues. I have two possibilities nearby:

>KV-32XBR100
$50

>KV-32XBR250
$70

Need something that has an interlaced signal for light gun games and good picture quality for my systems (and laserdiscs).

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

>> No.3280162

>>3280142
yes the before times but thats an exaggeration. 50 dollar monitors still show up once in a while.

>> No.3280164

>>3280153
That Linytron is amazing...

>> No.3280171

>>3280164
Thanks. My friend picked it up for me at some thrift shop in long beach, California for $20.

I have it hooked up as my second monitor through composite by means of an HDMI to SD adapter. It's great for playing old tv shows while doing work.

>> No.3280217

>>3279515
my grandma has this model and to be honest the image is blurry af. Maybe ask the dude for a pic where the TV is turned on, showing the menu screen to see its sharpness.

>> No.3280243

>>3280124
This isn't a buyfag thread, nor is it a direct /a/ offshoot board. Nor is that information well documented in the guide. Most of the post is a personal account of how it worked out for me, and the fact that my own credit card did work is not something the guide covers.

I also posted the fucking guide.

>>3280153
Ah, Sharp and their swag red colored electronics equipment. I need to see if they have more of those besides that really sought after boombox.

>> No.3280258
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>>3280243
There's this, the Sharp X1.

>> No.3280306

>>3279972
>Over a grand
>To play upscaled 240p games
Autism

>> No.3280308

>>3280306
I would concur, at that point just get an XRGB Mini and play it with any old consumer flat panel. If you don't like LCD plasmas are very cheap second hand and generally quite nice.

>> No.3280319
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3280319

>>3280258
sexy as fux with that plexiglass.

>> No.3280698
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3280698

So I've finally found a half-decent VGA CRT on Craigslist. It's a KDS AV-7TF with an FD Trinitron tube. Should I go for it? Any particular quirks or disadvantages from a flat CRT that I may not be aware of?

>> No.3280812

>>3280319
Why did they use to put plexiglass on old monitors anyway, to stop people from touching the screen?

>> No.3281179

Pvm-9041qm. Is this a pal monitor? If so is there any reason an American shouldn't buy one? Also what's considered a decent price

>> No.3281190

>>3280698
>KDS AV-7TF


>only 17", get out with that shit

>> No.3281232

>>3281190
Nothing wrong with 17"

It's the display aspect ratio of that monitor which concerns me

>> No.3281270

>>3280812
Protect from scratches. It kind of adds glare but some people like how the plexi makes the image look.

>> No.3281326

>>3280153
>KV-32XBR250
Hi-Scan. Avoid.

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3281328

>>3275869
They got stumped

>> No.3281441

>>3281232
Its 4:3
most likely 70Khz so

1440x1080 @60 Hz or lower all the way down to 240P at 120Hz (if youre hooked up to a pc)

>> No.3281450

>>3281326
XBR is just a generic name for Sony's highest end consumer models, going back to the 80s. Only the ones made after 2000 are HD.

>> No.3281476

>>3281326
It isnt HD

>> No.3281545

>>3281476
>>3281450

Don't be clowns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

KV-32XBR250
Hi-Scan without HDMI/DVI (4:3 screen)

>> No.3281626

>>3281179
Anyone?

>> No.3281643

>>3281179
>>3281626
PVMs usually handle several formats like NTSC, PAL, SECAM, NTSC 4.43

>is there any reason an American shouldn't buy one?
One reason is that it could only work with a 220 V power outlet.

>> No.3281649

>>3275281
There is no such thing as a good cheap Scart switch. If it's less than $100 that means it's shit.

>> No.3281669

>>3275281
>>3281649
http://retrorgb.com/scartswitches.html

>> No.3281713

>>3281643
Ffs thank you. That's what I was thinking but wasn't sure. Tried looking up specifics on that but I couldn't find anything on it.

>> No.3281719

>>3281713
The user manual should mention which formats are supported. And also whether it works with 110 V.

>> No.3281790

How often is it safe to manually degauss a PVM? I have some discoloration that I haven't been able to fix, so I want to just leave it on all day and degauss it frequently throughout the day to see if that helps, but I don't want to damage it, so how long should I wait between degaussing?

>> No.3281840

what kind of brand is APEX?

>> No.3281857

What price is good for a JVC TM-H1900G monitor? It seems to only support composite and s-video, which I don't have a problem with since I already have a monitor that can do component/RGB. I'm just not sure if it's worth getting as a spare/backup or not.

>> No.3281938

Is Sharp a good brand or is it a "bargain brand"?

>> No.3281953

>>3281938
Good.

>> No.3282025

>>3281938
All Japanese manufacturers (Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, JVC, Pioneer, Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and any others I'm forgetting are good because superior Nipponese manufacturing or something. The major American and European manufacturers (Philips, Grundig, Zenith, GE, Magnavox, and RCA) were once good but anything with their logo on it made after the year 2000 around when they all were bought up by Chinese firms you should be weary of. Some east asian (i.e. Taiwanese or South Korean) are good, like Samsung or LG. Avoid budget brands (Orion, Daewoo, Memorex, etc.) like the plague. Also don't touch anything with a built in VCR/DVD player.

>> No.3282114

>>3281840
shit

>> No.3282261

>>3281840
Surely not a brand at the top of their game.

>>3282025
In many cases, you'll actually find different brands carrying tubes of the same origin,

JVC and Panasonic are one. I believe my old Memorex has/had an LG Tube.

>> No.3282561

>>3278669
No. Get a consumer CRT for 20 dollars and save yourself the trouble.

>> No.3282652

how 2 check running hours on ikegami

>> No.3282857

I posted this a while ago but no one replied, posting again just incase.

I got an NTSC SNES a while ago, but I can't get a clean video signal on any monitor, (yes I've tested it on multiple). I would like to think it's just a bad AV lead, but the audio signal is fine which makes me think it may have something to do with the console itself. Heres a video of it on a Trinitron CRT. Any anons experience this before, or know whether or not it is just an AV problem?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMTZsT-DmqA

>> No.3282923

>>3281840
apex used to be THE shit, now it's complete shit.
man, i had a modded apex dvd player with a dbz background, region free and macrovision free.
>>3280153
sweet nixie clock, i've never seen that enclosure, custom?

guys, it's been a month and a half since i turned on my d20f1u, send help

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[ERROR]

Left you alone most of last thread, quick 1 pic update. Finally starting to tweak the Toshiba 27A42 consumer set; I've added RGB inputs and I'm working on convergence next.

Also grabbed Custom Robo V2.

Someone asked last thread if they were playable injapanese; the answer is 'yes'. Just say yes to everything or no if you get stuck in a loop (はい is yes; いいえ is no). Hit start in the robo customization screen to test your weapons and shit. Very playable, and I cannot read any kanji and read katakana only with a chart next to me (I can handle hiragana without a chart but very slowly so I don't bother). I fucking love these games. And they're both REALLY cheap - I got 1 for $10 and V2 for $15. They go cheaper on amazon, but I found them in a local shop so fuck yeah I was going to buy them.

>> No.3282959

>>3282923
yeah, I had an apex 20" years ago. It was the family set. It was pretty good, I just remember it had a LOT of overscan by default and was unfortunately a flatscreen.

>> No.3282962

>>3282952
BTW as to not mislead this is s-video as I've still not done any tweaking on my N64.

>> No.3282973

>>3282857
That's weird. I wish I could help but I've never used a PAL TV.

Have you tried it on other CRT's/LCD's? If flatscreens are showing the same issue then it's the SNES. Otherwise I blame the TV or a really horrible cable.

>> No.3282976

>>3282973
>didn't reat thoroughly
Sorry. You'd tested multiple.

Yes, it's possible it's the cable. If it's not it's probably the oscillator supplying the NTSC subcarrier frequency to the video encoder or it's the video encoder itself.

>> No.3282986

>>3282973
Yeah I've tried it on a different CRT and a HDTV. The video signal is always noisy. It's definitely not the monitor. I might upload a video of how it looks on a HDTV later, to show how it looks, because the horrible flickering only happens on the trinitron.

The only other thing that may be causing it is the shitty step down converter i'm using. I don't know exactly how the signal frequency is being received; it's an NTSC 60Hz power cable being converted by a 50Hz converter, displayed on a 50 Hz screen.

>> No.3283010

>>3282986
you can just use a normal wall-wart with swappable tips, you know. I forget what type the barrel connector on a US SNES is, but they are available. Also if it's a super famicom, you can just use the euro SNES wall adapter. anything outputting between 7 and 12 volts (though 7.5 is slightly safer due to the manufacturing tolerance on the 7805 regulator) should work too, if I remember correctly. If 7.5 gets you audio issues move to 9 volts. I forget which console it was, but one of them needed higher voltage for the audio chip.

Anyway my point is that the step down transformer is extreme overkill. If it's a super famicom a genesis power adapter works too.

>> No.3283025

>>3283010
just looked it up, it's apparently "power tip R" (and I know swappable tips exist because I have two),

>> No.3283031

>>3283025
Here ya go. http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/power-tip-connector-r-ar28f

>> No.3283045

>>3282952
>>3282959
>>3282962
>>3282973
>>3282976
>>3283010
>>3283025
>>3283031
>left you alone most of last thread
>posts 8 times consecutively

>> No.3283047

>>3283045
>leaves people alone
>posts when he comes back

>> No.3283050

>>3283031
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. I had a feeling the converter was unnecessary.

>> No.3283256

>>3282857
I thought that NTSC composite wouldn't work on PAL TVs? RGB should, though.

>> No.3283317

>>3283256
some 90's CRT's aren't compatable with NTSC AV cables yes.

>> No.3283571

>>3283317
Not exactly /vr/ but why the hell do electronics companies decide to remove features from products as they make newer model revisions?
Older onkyo receivers nr717 on up had passthrough of all component resolutions to HDMI. When you get to the x2x series it isnt until the nr929 that this feature is existant.

>> No.3283574

>>3283571
The point behind this is I want the option to connect to my CRTs when im playing solo but my big flatscreen for co-op or multiplayer splitscreen

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old CRT bit the dust. took it to some local mechanic who charged me 55 dollars to open it up and tell me the power transformer blew up and there's nothing to do about it.

got a 25'' Sharp circa 2000 from some guy 20 miles away. pretty good except it's got some convergence issues I think
(screen simulation attached)

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Testing out my pvm. Pretty sure some things with it are fucked and I want some advice on what exactly is fucked and what it should look like when it's unfucked. Pic related is linearity.

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>>3283821

And here is the test grid pattern. 256x224

Also, the whining is way louder than any other crt i've ever owned, so im pretty sure there's something in it that needs fixing as well. The flickering on 480i is pretty bad too, dont know if that's normal or not.

>> No.3283830

>>3283828
Just go in the menus and adjust the geometry

>> No.3283847

>>3283830

Alright. What should I be aiming for with the grid pattern? Should the red squares be visible?

>> No.3283873

>>3283847
You want them to all be the same size and all red squares fitting within the screen.

>> No.3283874

>>3283847
straighten the lines

although what you have there doesn't actually look that bad so adjusting it as a noob you might just make it worse

>> No.3283891

>>3283874

Yeah, there's a tv repair place around me so I was just gonna maybe take it there. I don't want to fuck anything up, and maybe they can figure out out why the fuck the whining is so loud.

>> No.3283963

>>3283874
>>3283891
Man you people are lame
This isnt rocket science

>> No.3283971

>>3283963
I have a Sharp 25N-S100
is there a firmware capability for me to adjust geometry or do I have to open it up and rotate the magnet things with white paint on them

>> No.3283985

So I caved and got a Sony PVM off eBay for a decent price (~180$). I'm kind of a noob and don't know how to hook it up to my ps1. none of the plug sockets on the back will take the red yellow and white leads. Is there an adapter or something i need?

>> No.3283986

Heads up for anyone in western New York, there's a production company in Buffalo selling a bunch of surplus, including three RGB monitors, one from Sony, one from Panasonic, and one from JVC. $75 each.

http://buffalo.craigslist.org/ele/5614244235.html

I'd go for them but I'm all the way over in Ithaca and don't feel like making a six hour round trip for them.

>> No.3283992

>>3283985
>using yellow RCA for video
PS1 natively supports S-Video go do it

>> No.3283997

>>3283986

>>3272607
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model.
1- Gib Model Number
2- They're BNC connectors and require a passive adapter to be used with RCA cables, let alone most monitors being mono audio only. Outside solutions for audio are always going to be the better choice
3-It's a PVM, don't waste it on just using composite unless that's the best the system in question can do.
4-Don't you think it would have been prudent in actually reading up one what you were buying rather than just jumping in with wild abandon?

>> No.3284005

>>3283821

"convergence" - red and blue separation. generally requires removing the set's cover and fucking with the rings and/or the yoke. Make sure you mark where the rings original settings are because it's easier to make this worse.

"geometry", "v linearity" -

The top circles are stretched vertically while the bottom ones are not. You might need to adjust the yoke, not sure. Never seen this before IRL.

Minor:

Also you need to change the H Raster and V Raster size and center settings. On my PVM these are in the service menu. I press 'menu' once, then hold 'enter' and press 'degauss' to enter the service menu.

>> No.3284025

>>3283997
Shit, meant to quote >>3283985

Either way, the Sony is NOT an RGB monitor, rather limited to S-Video and Composite.

The JVC and Panasonic, however, both support RGB, and actually seem to be very similar models all in all.

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3284093

Got my first PVM today, a PVM-1343MD. How'd I do senpai? Scart cables and BNC>RCA converters are in the mail...

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3284096

>>3284093

>> No.3284097

How do you guy project a test pattern onto the CRT?

>> No.3284105

>>3284097
Google "240p test suite"

>> No.3284108

>>3284093
>13''
how much did you pay for this tiny thing, baldy?

>> No.3284114

>>3284105
thanks

>> No.3284136
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3284136

>>3284093
>Scart cables
Do not fall for the scart meme.

>> No.3284149

Whenever there's a bright area on-screen on my TV, like a white text-box, the other parts of the screen get darker. What's causing that and how can I fix it?

>> No.3284158

>>3284149
how darker?
and with what games?
might be an anti-epilepsy thing.
I know they did a shitload of that in the late 90s as an overreaction to Electric Soldier Porygon

>> No.3284170

>>3284158
Slightly but very noticeable. Any game with white text boxes does it. It's very noticeable in Persona 3. Also during cutscenes with the dark blue border, a bright image in the cutscene makes the border appear black.

>> No.3284171

>>3284136
Do not fall for the "Scart is a meme" meme.

>> No.3284272

>>3284149

bad hv

>> No.3284284

>>3284272
What's that and can it be fixed from the service menu?

>> No.3284292

>>3284284
bad high-voltage transformer
do you live in a dusty house anon

>> No.3284294

>>3284292
Yes. Is it something I can dust?

>> No.3284302

>>3284294
sometimes dust can cause it to short out.
if removing the dust doesn't help then it actually needs to be repaired.
don't wait around because if it blows, so will many fuses etc and your tv will basically be fucked.

>> No.3284307

>>3284302
Is there anything else it could possibly be?

>> No.3284337

>>3284171
It's a meme when used outside countries that had SCART.

It's not in those countries though where it's affordable and _your TV actually accepts SCART_.

>>3284294
Another thing you can do is to turn the contrast the fuck down, because you might have it too high.

>> No.3284338

How do the 750tvl JVC monitors compare with Sony PVM of the same size (but less tvl?)

>> No.3284341

>>3284337
Turning contrast down does help, but it doesn't eliminate the problem completely, and also ends up desaturating the colors at a certain point.

>> No.3284342

>>3283985

>>3283985

depends on your budget, how autistic you are and if you can solder/use a crimp tool.

Cheapest option is you order a "female RCA to BNC" adapter on ebay for <$1, wait 6 weeks, and plug your composite (yellow video cable) into it. If you're less patient, US ebay sellers have them for $2.50 each individually, ~$1.50 in bulk. Electronics stores will charge you anywhere from $1.29 (local OG shop) to $8 (radio shack ass-rape).

PS1 also does native S-video, if your set takes it.

Autism is you order an RGB SCART lead for the PS1 and then a SCART -> RGBs BNC adapter. The difference between S-video and RGB is very subtle and only really noticeable in terms of color depth. The SCART -> BNC adapter comes in handy for systems like Genesis that won't do S-video without modding, since it's either RGB or deal with composhit. We have strange anti-SCART hipsters on this board, but a $50 SCART -> BNC adapter with a sync stripper built-in is by far the easiest solution if you just want to throw money at something and make it work. Look for "wookiewin" on ebay.

Maximum autism will see you buy a SCART cable for your console and cut it open and rewire it yourself, adding BNC connectors and optionally a sync splitter if needed for your console/monitor combination.

>>3284337
Freecunt "muh impedance/muh crosstalk" tier autism will have you ruin your console by drilling holes in it to mount fucking R C A jacks (and not even BNC) because he's a fucking dumb meme.

Regardless if your set technically has a speaker, you will almost certainly want a real speaker setup. The cheapest way is a set of computer speakers and a dual female RCA to stereo 3.5mm adapter.

>> No.3284347
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3284347

Amiga 1080 here.

I have messed with the vertical height of the screen before, but I'm not entirely sure how to make it the perfect ratio. Should I make it fill it to the top or just leave it be? It sucks not knowing for sure whether or not my video's squished.

Also a lot of white text seems to have a black gradient coming from the top of it. Anyone know why that is?

Pictured is N64 over composite, S-Video cable is in the mail.

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3284351

>>3284338
I fucking love mine (the JVC BM-1400PN is the same as the Panasonic BT-H1390YN). I even prefer it to my higher-TVL PVM-20L5.

>> No.3284352
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3284352

>>3284347

>> No.3284353

>>3284341
Uh, no, it fixes it. At least on every PC monitor I've ever used. It brings the white voltage down to a sane level.

If you have to crank it down so far that you're losing accurate colors, yeah, you have other issues to fix.

>> No.3284360

>>3284342
I never said that RCA was optimal, but it's hell of a lot better than a SCART that costs more than a SNES. Best would be BNC though.

And yeah, again, outside europe and maybe australia, SCART is 100% concentrated meme.

>> No.3284362

>>3284347
Get a circle on the screen, measure height(diameter) with a ruler, and adjust width to match. Voila, perfect aspect ratio.

>> No.3284364

>>3284351
Oh so it's not the exact same as the JVC H-1310SU?

>> No.3284367
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3284367

>>3284347
also, got myself some amiga gear last week.

If I'm not mistaken this monitor can also do 31khz RGB, but my Amiga's too old to have the AGA chipset, so I'll need to test it some other time with a PC.

>> No.3284369

>>3284364
It might actually be the same as that, too. It looks pretty much ide tical in that manual. Definitely worth it IMO. Great monitor amd great tube.

>> No.3284374

>>3284353
Even with contrast on the lowest setting it will go to and the TV in black & white, it still dims everything else slightly if there's a bright color on-screen. There's absolutely nothing I could adjust in the service menu that might fix it?

>> No.3284378

>>3284369
Would you take it before something like a 14L1 or 1354?

>> No.3284381

>>3284360

>dumb poorfag parroting freshman EE memes.
>his time is worthless so everyone else's is too

If it doesn't pass an ABX test, it doesn't exist. I'm not playing my games on an oscilloscope. You've got, what? A cheap Rigol maybe, or some Tektronic relic laying around, tops? Post some shots of your test equipment in action before I'll even believe that your "improvements" have noticeably reduced crosstalk.

99% of people couldn't even solder or use a crimp tool even if they were at gunpoint. There are literally no multi AV to BNC cables available on the market, and most people aren't interested in ruining their consoles for some dumb placebo meme like your RCA outs.

I am fully capable of soldering my own custom multi-AV->BNC cables and/or ruining my console shells with hot glue.

But I don't, because my free time is valuable to me. An hour I spend at work earns me more money by far than I'd spend on the parts and labor required to build that placebo abomination.

>freecunt's back, everyone

>> No.3284398
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3284398

Here's a pic. Can you guys guess the machine?

>> No.3284449

>>3284374
This guy here. After some more research I think it might be some sort of dynamic contrast control or autmoatic brightness limiter. This is an early 2000s Panasonic Tau, so could it theoretically have one of these functions?

>> No.3284456
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3284456

>>3284347
>>3284352
That looks fucking spectacular.

>> No.3284470

>>3284337
>It's a meme when used outside countries that had SCART.
Using SCART and a converter is pretty much required if you want to hook your consoles up to a BVM, which is exactly what that one anon was going to do.

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3284506

>>3284470
>Using SCART and a converter is pretty much required if you want to hook your consoles up to a BVM,
No

>> No.3284538

People want to shit on scart but offer no reasonable alternative
There arent guides on the web to making custom cables for your consoles
besides most people cant solder anyway

>> No.3284551

>>3284381
Bravo, anon. Please keep debunking that retard.
>>3284506
Ruining your consoles is a better option, right?

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3284558

>>3284551
>Ruining your consoles is a better option, right?
SCART is not required to connect a console to a RGB monitor. It's a meme to charge double for shitty, low quality cables.

>> No.3284563

>>3284337
>It's a meme when used outside countries that had SCART
>outside countries that had SCART
At least now you mention it right from the start.

>> No.3284564

>>3284342
>cut it open and rewire it yourself, adding BNC connectors
And where do you mount resistors and capacitors required? And sync stripper circuit?
SCART shell works for this task, but BNC connectors don't.

>> No.3284574

>>3284360
>SCART that costs more than a SNES
SCART for SNES is like 10-15 USD. Might get it cheaper.
I've never seen Super Famicom or SNES online with price lower than 40 USD (+shipping)

>> No.3284596

>>3284558
>can only find shitty overpriced cables
>blames the standard, not the sellers
Nice line of reasoning there mate. As expected from an antiSCART retard.

>> No.3284626

>>3284558
It's not required, but it's by far the easiest solution for most people.

Unless you can offer an easier solution, which I have yet to see.

>> No.3284661

>Scart and antiscart memery
>general hostility
mein gott, the last good thread of /vr/ is dying

>> No.3284662

>>3284351
Are you using S-Video?

>> No.3284664

>>3284661
>CRT
>good thread
Been here all summer have we?

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3284672

>>3284661
>not getting into internet slap fights over video cables

>> No.3284676

>>3284369
I've never used a non AG montior before. Would a shadow mask at higher TVL really be better than aperture grille at a bit lower lines?

>> No.3284718
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3284718

Hagane plays like a dream when youre playing with zero lag! To be fair, all snes platfotmers play amazingly well if you have a setup like this.

Also does anyone have any recommendactions for a medium sized table or tv stand to place a monitor on? Atm im using this crappy ass ikea table which I'm worried won't be able to hold up a heavier monitor then the one I have. Something with more verticality, as I don't have a huge amount of space... I was thinking one of those tv stands with glass sliding doors would be really nice, no idea where or how to get one with the dimensions I need tho

>> No.3284730

>>3284718
I had a dream where I finally get a PVM except I've had one for a year

>> No.3284760

>>3284676
Whether you have a preference for aperture grilles, tri-dots, slot masks, or otherwise is exactly that, a preference.
Higher TVL is higher TVL, but even that shouldn't be a final determining factor on what you decide one.

It's a bit hard to make such judgements without being able to see all the various options in person, but you need to decide on what YOU personally prefer.
Some prefer higher TVL, some like their picture a bit softer around the edges; Some refuse to use anything other than AG monitors, where others have hard-ons for shadow masks.

I haven't had the chance to see an RGB 15khz tri-dot in person, but if their picture is anything like that of (shrunken) slot mask, I think I'd probably spring for the the JVC/Panasonic over the Sony, regardless of TVL.

I finally decide to stop being such a shit, and look for a service manual for my GXE-1395 "Samsung GXTV". While it only seems to be parts of the manual, a look at the schematics show that it uses a Toshiba TA1201AN as it's jungle chip. The fact that it apparently has a service menu also amazes me.

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/31163/TOSHIBA/TA1201AN.html

Not only does it have an obvious RGB input used for the OSD, but it also has a Y/C input. Hacking in RGB on different TVs in many cases seems to be "simple", but I'm wondering how one might manage to switch to a hypothetical Y/C input.

>> No.3284816

>>3274176
How can you say this and act right in your idiocy?

There is no delay and if anything having half the screen drawn vs full screen drawn is obviously worse.

480i is 240p all fucked up and autistic. Anyone that would choose 480i if they have the option of progressive is autistic.

>> No.3284891

>>3283986
Just shot them an email, what a deal.

I'm the Rochester d20 anon, so it's not a bad trip. Plus, I can hit up my old favorites spots and friends from when I lived in Buffalo.

>> No.3284930

>>3284342
so if i already modded my genesis model 1 with s-video should i bother spending more money for RBG?

>> No.3284936

>>3284930
No

>> No.3284938
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3284938

Every night I hear a loud bang from my monitor. Is this normal? Does this happen to you?
It's really starting to fuck me up.

>> No.3284950

Is there a list somewhere of PC CRT monitors that have s-video connections? I think I'm about to give up on this TV and something more compact might be nice.

>> No.3284985

Is the JVC TM 1500PS any good?

Looking to get my first CRT for my desk.

>> No.3285004

>>3284938
is it close to when it's turned on? or after it's switched off? Might be from heating up or cooling down

>> No.3285145

>>3284564

Either you add an ugly line-lump box (increasing your time and expenditure, and adding two strain-relief points of failure), or you open up the console and add a bunch of shit inside the console itself.

>> No.3285171

>>3285004
It happens an hour after shutting it off.

>> No.3285219

>>3285171
that might be it then

>> No.3285464

How close can you place large (hip height) stereo speakers next to the CRT TV without fucking up the magnets?
Is there some rule of thumb?
I have limited space?

>> No.3285482
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3285482

Got this monochrome monitor yesterday! I plan on using it with the Super Game Boy maybe for fun. Also wanna try to figure out how to jam 240p from something with a terminal into it because it would look cool, I think.

>> No.3285559

>>3285482
Cool find, man. I've always wanted to play NES on an Apple II display.

>> No.3285601
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>>3284347
Here's the gradient I was talking about. Look on the top half of "THE ADVENTURE OF". Any ideas on fixing this or if it even can be?

>> No.3285731
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3285731

So I bought one of those £44 new-old-stock Maxim tellies on ebay. I have a nice PVM 20L4, but there's no way it'll fit on my desk. It has two inputs, SCART (Thankfully RGB) and Composite. Immediate issues are the geometry and the shit speakers. A quick search found me the code for the service menu which fixed 99% of the geometry problems, shit speakers are avoided with a SCART S-Video/Audio breakout I had lying around. For whatever reason, it allows you to increase vertical size but not horizontal size. So far the only game this has really made this noticeable is Metal Slug on the Saturn. I recall reading something about the NeoGeo version not using the cabinet's full horizontal space.

The quality is alright - Maxim was always that shit brand they sold at Curry's, and I definitely prefer the PVM. But it's 4:3, came with next day delivery, and I didn't have to deal with the tossers at the British Heart Foundation. All-in-all I'd recommend it.

>> No.3285743

>>3285731
>I recall reading something about the NeoGeo version not using the cabinet's full horizontal space.
Neogeo hres is 320 but many games use only 304 because of how it handles everything in sprites. A correctly sized and centered monitor will show the resulting borders.

>> No.3285845

Anyone know any good resources on the structure of an analog video signal?

>> No.3285882

>>3285845

http://www.ntsc-tv.com/

Site looks like it was built in 1995, but the timings haven't exactly changed in 60 years anyways. Searching "ntsc timings" also gets some good results. I haven't found anything good that explains the exact difference between a 480i sync and a 240p sync signal, let me know if you find one.

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>>3284662
>are you using s-video?
On the N64 yes (for now). My SNES and genesis have RGB though, and they look awesome too.

Toshiba 27A42. Ever try processing a RAW file on a smartphone? it fucking sucks.

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>>3284564
>And where do you mount resistors and capacitors required? And sync stripper circuit?
>SCART shell works for this task, but BNC connectors don't.

Oh my god, I hope you're trolling and not really that stupid. Pic related. See also filename.

>> No.3285934

>>3284574
I was comparing retrogamingcables's price plus shipping to the US for a SCART cable plus the cable that adapts it to what you'll actually use (BNC).

Any my NTSC SNES was $35 four years ago, and I got a supposedly broken 'junk' super famicom for _$6_ from a guy in colorado in december (2015). All I had to do was replace the fuse.

>>3284676
>I've never used a non AG montior before. Would a shadow mask at higher TVL really be better than aperture grille at a bit lower lines?
Yes; believe it or not you get more detail out of a TV with finer dot pitch than one with coarser dot pitch.

If you have a 800TVL AG monitor by all means use it, though. But specifications don't lie; higher TVL means finer details.

>> No.3285954
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3285954

>>3284760
His JVC he's looking at is almost definitely tri-dot, and it looks amazing.

>>3284676
pic relevant again.

>>3284930
I probably wouldn't bother having both a RGB genesis and having S-video modded one. The difference is there, but if you're happy with it it's nothing vast like the composite to s-video upgrade.

If you are thrifty and don't mind soldering you can probably do it without paying anything extra (unless you need to find a RGB monitor; that's possible but less likely).

>>3284950
There are so many dofferent TVs out there in consumerland that any list would be woefully incomplwte. I'm not aware of one. Just look for CRTs and look up model numbers. If it's wood grain it's probably too old for s-video.

>>3285482
qt apple gear. I've got a slot mask color IIe one myself.

>> No.3285956

This guy >>3277415 here
I'm planning on getting an extron to play my Dreamcast games on my PVM. I just have a few questions before I get an idea of what to purchase.
1. What is the most affordable and most efficient model to get? I see some for around 15 dollars and what not or what should I look out for

2. Will this device convert 480p to 240p or is it just 480i images?

3. How do PS2 games look on RGB monitors? is a better to connect it via scart or component via BNC

>> No.3285962

>>3284449
anti-epilepsy function >>3284158 mentioned

>> No.3285964

>>3279912
Nice setup Anon

>> No.3285991
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3285991

>>3285559
>Cool find, man. I've always wanted to play NES on an Apple II display.
It's pretty cool; you'll want a color one, though, or games like Fire Emblem are really hard (enemies have the same luminance as allies and are differentiated by color only).

>>3285601
That's one of the unfortunate artifacts of NES composite video. It happens noticeably in red colours too. I've got a pic somewhere, I'll hunt for it.

>>3285845
Lots, but a lot of it just comes with time.

Probably the most helpful thing for my understanding was playing with linux video modelines and manually manipulating them, while usong wikipedia and the excellent 'cvt' program as references. Once you understand video timings and pixel clocks and such, it all kind of falls into place. If you ask a question I can try to help.

Also, I forget where I found it but the original NTSC System M specification from the 1940s is pretty useful for understanding black and white analog video. I'd give it a read if you can find it. It's a PDF book scan; I think I found it on the New York Public Library's catalog or something.

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3285996

>>3285882
>I haven't found anything good that explains the exact difference between a 480i sync and a 240p sync signal, let me know if you find one.

Was glossing through the book How Video Works. Probably related to this, no?

>> No.3285998

>>3285918
This option only works if you modify console. I'm fine with this kind of job (but still prefer SCART because SCART region and switch). Some people are fine with internal mods as well, but some are looking for plug and play solution. And SCART does it just fine.
>>3285934
>I was comparing retrogamingcables's price plus shipping to the US for a SCART cable
But there is US ebay seller, "retro_console_accessories", shipping should be cheap for USA.
>Any my NTSC SNES was $35 four years ago
>for _$6_ from a guy in colorado
Good thing you can get these things locally.

>> No.3286004
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3286004

>>3285482
old terminals usually didn't run at 15khz; your typical 24 or 25 line terminal with 12px high text would run closer to 300 lines and have odd horizontal frequencies (I'm too lazy to do the math and I'm not sure about vertical frequency but I believe I read mine's something like 19khz?)

If you can find one, it'd be cool though. If I ever find a 15khz monochrome display I want to make a terminal out of a microcontroller or something.

>> No.3286013

>>3285998
I paid $12 shipping from colorado. That's still under $40.

Again, if you'rein SCART-land, fine. Use SCART. But don't say it's what people should use outside SCART-land, because while it is _a_ solution, there is not a single easiest solution like there is in Europe.

>> No.3286028

>>3285998
>>3285998
Also, you can do it externally in the multi-out shell if you have small capacitors/resistors, and I question why you need a sync stripper when the SNES and genesis expose proper csync.

I'm not very familiar with PSX and their ilk, though, so maybe that's the exception. It's worth noting that my Panasonic monitor and sony monitors all support sync-on-green anyway, so that's not a dealbreaker here like it might be with SCART TV's.

>> No.3286034

>>3285882
An interlaced field always have a non-integer amount of lines, like 262,5 for 60hz.
Thus the VSync will either start on the beginning or in the middle of the line depending if it's the odd or even field.
Non-interlaced fields don't have this half line but an integer amount of lines like 312 for 50hz, the VSync will always remain in the same spot (usually the start of the line).

>>3285996
These impulses are mostly needed by sets made in the 60s and before. The only /vr/ system that I know that outputs these is the C64.

>> No.3286039

>>3285996
Best way to figure the difference is to compare a 480i sync signal and a 240p sync signal on an oscilloscope. The 240p signal stays steady, but the 480i one staggers so that the vertical blanking period is longer or shorter by the time it takes to draw one line if it's the 'odd' field or the 'even' field.

Wikipedia describes this under 'vertical syncronization' as a 'pre-equalizing pulse'. It moves the electron beam down an extra line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_television#Vertical_synchronization

>> No.3286047

>>3286039
>>3286034
>older TVs are the only ones that need that
aah, yeah, forgot about that!

Anyway, the fact remains that the hsync pulses are staggered in 480i and constant in 240p. An oscilloscope can show this to you if you look at a hsync or csymc signal (or even composite or luminance signal but those will have extra information you don't need for understanding sync).

>> No.3286062
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>>3286034
Weird, it's a relatively modern book so I'd imagine that most the the information is relevant to more modern analog displays. It is primarily targeted towards broadcasting, though.

>> No.3286063

>>3284596
It's the standard's fault when no one even appears to sell the connectors anymore. I think these cables are made from cut-up older SCART cables.

>> No.3286067

>>3286062
Just because new-ish TVs don't actually need it doesn't make it no longer part of the standard. If you are a broadcaster, you buy standard-compliant equipment to ensure everything works and the FCC doesn't get mad at you.

>> No.3286091

Any love for arcade monitors in this thead? How do arcade monitors compare to stuff like PVM s and BVMs in terms of picture quality?

Maybe I could find a decent arcade monitor and just build a box around the display out of MDF or something?

>> No.3286107

Are all Hi Scan CRTs to be avoided? I have a free XBR400 and XBR450 available near me.

>> No.3286112
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>pvm makes small whining noise when it's turned off

I-is this normal? Is my pvm gonna fucking explode one day?

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3286116

>>3285895
Oh also due to a bug in the ansroid X11 server I used I had to process that pic with a 16 bit color video mode and pray it looked okay in 24-bit (it does, thankfully).

>>3286091
Arcade monitors are usually rotated TV tubes with custom controlling circuitry. As a result they are lower resolution than the PVMs and such and have much fatter scan lines (note that when people refer to the black space between scan lines as the 'scan lines' they are wrong. Lower TVL CRTs have narrower black areas and fatter scan lines).

That doesn't mean they aren't any good though; I love playing on arcade machines.

If you can find away to get them to respond to you (no response to email, gonna try phone next), Conrac still makes a 14 inch multiscan monitor in the style of an arcade monitor (but with a smaller tube).

If you only plan to use RGB signals it's pretty simple to figure out how to connect video to a typical arcade monitor. You might have to split csync on them, though. An LM1881 can do this.

Tney look great, but in a different way from PVMs and BVMs and all the Ikegami/Asaca-Shibasoku/JVC/Panasonic broadcast/pro monitors. They're more like consumer sets if consumer sets had decent HV regulation (low bloom) and RGB inputs.

>> No.3286128

>>3286107

Some professional grade monitors can do 480p+, but those are the only exceptions. Otherwise stay away from hd crts.

>> No.3286129

>>3286112
It won't explode, but you may want to consider replace the large capacitors inside if you're brave.

>> No.3286135

>>3286129

Fuck that. I said I was gonna take it to a repair guy earlier in the thread for other reasons, so I guess this is just another thing to add on to the list.

>> No.3286160

>>3286128
That's a shame. I know it's not /vr/ but I'd love to have everything up to sixth gen on a CRT. I hate the way those consoles look on LCDs.

>> No.3286175

>>3286160

>6th gen

6th gen is mostly 480i with some gc games having a 480p option. if you really want 480p so bad then you can still hunt down a BVM that does it.

>> No.3286181

>>3286175
This isn't really true; the Gamecube, Xbox, and Dreamcast have almost their entire library in 480p (the dreamcast, I think it is the entire library, if you use the VGA output). It's the PS2 that has a large amount of its library 480i only, although there are some homebrew programs that force it to output at 480p. It doesn't really matter since, because of a mixture of some nasty looking anti-aliasing algorithms and just shitty hardware, the PS2's output will look bad on anything.

>> No.3286207

>>3285464
Depends on how well they're shielded(if at all).

I need to keep my klipsch kg4s a good 8 or so inches away from my pvm.

>> No.3286224

>>3286107

They're okay, not great.

"Multiformat" professional monitors are the best solution for 480p content, but they're less common and highly desirable (= $$$).

I fucking love my 14" and 20" multiscans, bought them precisely for 6th-gen. (I kinda meme'd myself with the 9" multiscan, at that size there's barely any difference between 480i and p.)

Interestingly, 480i actually looks *worse* on my PVMs because the raster lines are so tight and low persistence that the interlacing effect is very visible and distracting. I find bloomy, high-persistence consumer sets actually better for 480i content because they create a more persistent image.

If your content is strictly 480p you can get away with using a VGA CRT monitor and a component->VGA adapter. If you're autistic about lag stay away from the cheaper converters as they add lag. "Startech" makes one for $80-100 without a framebuffer (ie. no lag).

next post: how to get 480p from 6th gen consoles

>> No.3286231

>>3286175
You can just use any old PC monitor

>> No.3286248

>>3286224

Dreamcast: apparently you just have to plug in the official VGA cable for the system and that's it. I got my DC today but the VGA cable hasn't come in yet so I can't confirm.

Gamecube: There's apparently a button combo you can press at boot for most games. I wouldn't know, since those fucking component cables are like $200 nowadays, since they contain semi-complicated proprietary active circuitry (so no cheap china clones at least yet), and they didn't sell many units since back then nintendo's target audience didn't own HDTVs or care about signal formats. I've seen a github repo with some HDL code, but sort of time & effort thing to get an FPGA toolchain up and running, you might as well just spend the $200 depending on your hourly rate & expertise. RGB is a separate cable that's almost as expensive.

But luckily, none of this really matters unless you're a strict original hardware fag or trying to play the gameboy player, because backwards-compatible wiis contain identical internal hardware and component cables are like $<10. Also , the bonus is that they're easy as fuck to mod so you can play ~legally obtained backup GC isos~ from an SD card or USB drive, so no wear and tear or worrying about the disc drive. The wii's disc drive doesn't even need to work. Almost all the good games support 480p OOTB anyways, but you can use Nintendont (Wii/Wii U) or various GC homebrews to force for the games that don't (haven't tried this myself)

>> No.3286262

>>3286107
The only HD CRT worth getting is the XBR960. And that's only for 480p and 1080i games.

>> No.3286275

>>3286248
for ps2 gamecube they should just be run in 480i
so few of the games will actually run 480p

dreamcast is the only console someone should bother with 480p on

>> No.3286278
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3286278

so, i did the unthinkable and added RCA jacks to the back of my Duo-R for component out. Started having a problem with RCA-BNC adaptors and a regular RCA cable. This thing from Amazon saved my ass.

>> No.3286290

>>3286224
>>3286248

Playstation 2: This one is a hassle. A very limited set of games support 480p OOTB, and they're mostly shit games anyways. The best solution is to get a "Free Mcboot" memory card off ebay for like $10, or you can also set it up yourself with an exploit game and some disk-tray trickery. From Free MCboot you can use the .elf files "HDTV Xploder" and "GS Mode Selector" to force games to 480p. The downside is that the initial setup on each boot needs to be done at 480i, so you might need to memorize button combos and associated delays or do some advanced setup if you want to use a PC monitor.

So far I've I was able to get all the non-native games I care about (THPS3 and 4, THUG, THUG2, Katamari Damacy, all 5 PS2 GTAs, MGS2 and 3, Okami) to play in 480p. Only games I have yet to try are the Ace Combat series.

Xbox: I don't own one, but it looks like most games worth playing support 480p. Unsure if you have to boot through an unchangeable 480i setup menu like on PS2.

>> No.3286309

>>3286275
If you were actually reading the thread instead of spewing shit you have no idea about you would know that multiple people including the post you're responding to have said that that the Gamecube and Xbox have most of their libraries supporting 480p. The PS2 is the only 6th gen console that has the majority of its library only in 480i.

>> No.3286342

>>3286290
Hey, what exactly do I need to do with Xploder HDTV and GS Mode Selector, and where can I get them? I've already got a modded fat PS2 with freemcboot and ulaunchelf and everything, but where do I need to put everything?

>> No.3286372

>>3286342

it's your lucky day, fag.

Link me a website that I can host small files easily and I'll upload them for you

>> No.3286383

Passed on a 16:9 CRT with HDMI input for $20 at a garage sale earlier today.

How badly did I fuck up?

>> No.3286392

>>3286372
Use Mega, Mediafire, Google Drive, or Dropbox.

>> No.3286406

>>3286342
nm, found em in my history.

Xploder was the hard one to track down, apparently it was made my happy merchants trying to monetize it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jheb5ahh9qto23w/XPLODER_HDTV_PLAYER.ELF

GS Mode selector is GPL code on the psx-scene website:

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f291/57860d1452820948-gs-mode-selector-development-feedback-gsm_038.zip

Place these files on a USB stick, and navigate to the directory with ulaunchelf and launch. You can also copy files with ulaunchelf (google it), they're small so I just put them on the memory card itself.

GS Mode Selector works with less games, but it is generally compatible with burned discs/ESR. Apparently OPL too but I haven't used it yet.

Xploder HDTV player has better compatibility, but generally only works with legit discs. It's the only way to get the GTA games to run in 480p. IIRC this is the only way to play LCS and VCS in full 480p outside of emulators since those games never got ported to anything besides PSP at 272p.

I fucking love being able to play THPS3 and 4 at full 480p/60 with a proper controller. These games are sensitive to lag so that's where the PVM/BVMs really shine.

>> No.3286429

>>3286129
You got a email/irc where I can ask you some stuff?

>> No.3286436

>>3286383

Not that bad. HDMI input means it almost certainly has a laggy framebuffer everything passes through, neglecting a primary advantage of CRTs. Also probably destroying your "scanlines" effect, again a reason to use a Cathode Ray Jepsen.

For vidya, 16:9 isn't really an advantage until late 6th-gen or 7th-gen stuff, and a consumer set is probably not going to have the resolution necessary to make the small text on 7th gen HUDs look good/readable.

You'd get a nicer black level, but that's about it and there would be tradeoffs.

A 34" widescreen BVM, well now we're talking as 7th gen stuff goes since that has enough TVL to almost take full advantage of the <= 1280x720p internal resolutions that those games run at.

>> No.3286440

>>3286406
Thanks. Presumably I won't be able to use Xploder with HD Loader then?

>> No.3286451

>>3286440

You can try. Xploder works with my burned THPS3 disc but not really with any of my other "backups".

I suggest you just buy retail copies of anything that doesn't work with GSM right now while we're still in the "valley" of PS2 games in terms of collectability. All the main 3 GTA games are $4.00 each at my local used game store, for example.

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>>3285991
This is on a Wii through composite. So is it just a composite exclusive problem? Would using S-Video or RGB remedy this?

>> No.3286458

>>3286454
you're lacking convergence up top

>> No.3286464

>>3286454

No, that's a convergence problem. Looks like it's all kinds of fucked at the top. It might be a little off in the middle too, but not as bad - I can't really tell.

Adjusting the rings and the yoke is a pain in the ass. I'd only do it yourself if it's a cheap beater set, if it's an expensive set it might be worth paying someone else to do it for you so you get the set perfect.

Well, you can probably get it better than it is right now just by messing with the rings, but yoke adjustments are a major pain in the ass (if the previous owner glued them in, or there's a bunch of boards in the way like with PVMs etc).

Make sure to mark the starting position of the rings so you can get back to them when/if you throw up your hands and say "fuck it".

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>>3286458
>>3286464
Shit, wrong photo that was my trinitron lol. Was talking about Amiga in other posts.

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3286546

Having convergence issues.
Should I go through the pain of unplugging the set, turning the yokes, plugging it back in and verifying change in picture, unplug, turn more, and repeat until I give up, or
>do it live

I guess I should have someone nearby to yank the plug if I should get shocked.

>> No.3286548

>>3286543
looks like you're checkerboarding.
are you using s-video?

>> No.3286550
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>>3286548
What checkerboarding? I don't see it irl. Picture in photo is Wii through composite.

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3286553

I was able to pick up a pvm and snes for 55 and 40 respectively. Now to get some expensive ass cables.

What model nes/famicom do you folks recommend if I'm going to rgb mod it and want expanded sound?

>> No.3286558

>>3286546
I'm pretty sure that it's the transistors on the board that can kill you, not the yokes. Working on it powered off and unplugged is pointless, because residual charge can remain in the set for weeks. Always make sure you're only touching anything with one hand - that way if you do get shocked it won't go through your chest, potentially stopping your heart.

>> No.3286582

>>3286546

CRT safety is kind of overblown. Just don't touch anything inside the little metal box (power supply) and don't disconnect that cable that attaches to the top of the tube and you're fine.

Turning the rings is easy peasy and safe. The yoke is a major pain in the ass cause sometimes people used glue to keep the rubber stoppers in place.

The real danger is that you'll make things even ~worse~ than when you started, and won't remember how the rings were supposed to go.

There's at least 8 degrees of freedom in the rings, probably more (6 rings to rotate, also they can be shifted forwards and back), as well as at least 2 degrees of freedom in moving the yoke. Not to mention all the other shit you can change in the service menu. Be afraid.

Going from "completely unwatchable" to "sorta okay" is easy, going from "sorta okay" to "perfect" is a fucking nightmare.

>> No.3286587

>>3286543
>>3286550

Do you have a higher resolution camera? Can you give us a super-close up?

The fine detail looks very weird to me, but I can't tell if it's >composhit or just a weird dot-mask phosphor setup without a closeup.

>> No.3286606

>>3286582
>also they can be shifted forwards and back
okay I understand how I can use white paint to mark the original rotations, but good lord, how will I mark the transverse positions?

>> No.3286610

>>3286116
>that text rendering
Christ

>>3286248
The vast majority of Dreamcast games support VGA out by standard. Almost all of the ones that don't can be patched or at least tricked into loading in VGA mode just fine.

>I've seen a github repo with some HDL code, but sort of time & effort thing to get an FPGA toolchain up and running, you might as well just spend the $200 depending on your hourly rate & expertise.
There are a few places attempting to put out "plug and play" or partially plug and play offerings, but you're still looking at $100+.

>RGB is a separate cable that's almost as expensive.
RGB is only available stock from PAL Gamecubes, and that's from your standard MultiAV+SCART(or alternative) cable.
The Component and D-Terminal cables can both be modified for RGBHV output, but it's not a standard cable you can just go out and buy; You need to perform surgery on the $200-300 cable you just paid out the ass for.
That's the very reason I went the transcoder route, so I could leave mine untouched.

Wii is the without a doubt the more sensible option, both for your wallet and in general. Nintendon't can even give you GC game support via the vWii portion of the Wii U, so that's great too.

>> No.3286612

>>3286262
XBR910, as well as the XS955 line are all just as competent, with the sole exception of the 910 having an NTSC tuner and not a digital ATSC one.

>>3286290
Stop suggesting people buy FMCB cards. It may be the most simple solution, but it can be done by one's self and/or mailing a card off to someone willing to do installations: Something I wouldn't be opposed to doing, given the chance to actually look up the proper way to do it.

Either way, forced progressive scan on PS2 is extremely hit or miss and not something I'd suggest people to rely on.

>> No.3286613

>>3286546
calm down the babies in this thread i swear

Dont touch the anode cape any boards or the very back of the tube and youll be fine
The only dangerous thing is the anode cap

Leave it on and open it to adjust purity rings and any pots on the boards.

If you cant get it fixed with that take it to a repaiman or deal with it imo
You could try to hunt down some convergence strips and redo the yoke but thats an ardous process requiring like complete disassembly

turning it on and off isnt an option as the tube needs to be warmed up for accurate adjustments

Also its not like the cartoons you wont be stuck there getting shocked
The current from the wall isnt that powerful and pretty much the only way to have it discharge on you is to be fucking around with the anode cap

>> No.3286617

>>3286553
I recommend using composite from an AV NES

RGB has palette and jailbar issues

>> No.3286627
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3286627

>>3286587
Probably a combination of composhit and the monitor phosphors.

>> No.3286630
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3286630

>>3286627
Here's closer but with NES composite

>> No.3286639

>>3286613
Where did this meme that CRTs are death machines that can kill you via electrocution, cancer from the radiation or just straight up exploding in your face come from.

>> No.3286640

>>3286627
>>3286630
>shadowmask
>TRIAD shadowmask
i give up...

>> No.3286665

>>3286617
Nes, or AV famicom?

>> No.3286673
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3286673

>>3286612

How in the world is mailing off a card to someone else to do the installation better than buying a card with it already installed?

If you're going to pull out the "bloat" meme, once you have homebrew access, you can change the installation around to your hearts content. The card that I got came with ~4 MB of FMCB stuff for the multiboot install. I cut this down to ~2 MB of stuff I actually care about. You can also use the one card to make additional installations, I copied it to my three other cards so now I have a bunch of redundancy.

Buying a premade card is 100x better that that dumb suggestion, because you can leverage ebay's great buyer protection if it doesn't work, even if it's just straight up user error on your part. If some random guy on a taiwanese masturbation site "mails it to the wrong address" you're basically shit out of luck. Hell you can even order the ebay card, use it to copy FCMB to your own memory card, and abuse ebay to get a full refund + shipping when you send the original card back.

I feel like I'm on /g/ arguing with arch linux memers.

>but but but you won't know how your system REALLY works unless you stick some fucking tape over some sensors

>>3286612

>forced progressive scan is extremely hit or miss

Hence why I gave an actual, specific list of games that I have gotten to work with this method.

>> No.3286679

>>3286627
>>3286630

Okay. The phosphor configuration is responsible for those weird grainy sparkles I was seeing.

Composhit is probably partially responsible for the red bleeding everywhere and those blown-out purples. Also turning your contrast down a bit might help.

What other options does the monitor have for connections?

>> No.3286702
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3286702

>>3286679
It has S-Video and RGB through a 9-Pin CGA.

>> No.3286713
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3286713

>>3286630
Now that is fucking pretty.

>>3286673
Calm the fuck down man.

All I'm saying is, if you're going to mention FMCB, at least give them a fuller picture. Let them know that it can be done for one's self and doesn't have to be purchased out right. Ebay is definitely the easier and less involved way to go about doing it, but isn't the only way to get it. That is all I am saying.

I also wasn't suggesting people ask around for people to do it here, just musing a bit to be honest.

Again, I wasn't saying people shouldn't try to force resolutions, just not get their hopes up that it'll open up the majority of their collections or "collections" to 480p+ support.

To attempt to make this a bit less argumentative and more informative; Off the top of my head, FFX and KH2 both took to GSM quite well.
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil played correctly, but resulted in a net loss of visual information over 480i, leaving things very sharp and steady, but pixelated.
Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 technically loaded, but had EXTREME instability problems in terms of play speed, randomly speeding up and slowing down seemingly at random with no real hint as to what would cause it.

>> No.3286742

>>3286713

>>3286290
>or you can also set it up yourself with an exploit game and some disk-tray trickery

can you even read?

>> No.3286746

>>3286702

Well, shit. An S-video cable for SNES, N64, and GC will only set you back about $8 or so (get one ~without~ a composite lead), and that'll greatly improve your picture.

With those phosphors, I'm not really sure RGB's worth it, but you could give it a shot. SNES SCART cables are cheap, but the other cables might be a bit expensive. Though you could always go the freecunt custom cables route and ruin your SNES if you've got more money than time.

I'd probably just grin and bear it with composite for NES/Famicom, getting S-video or RGB out is a tedious soldering process with an $80 add-on board and I'm not sure it worth it for that monitor. Also freecunt will meme at you with those castlevania 2 pictures and blab about how your reds are too orange, or not orange enough, or some shit like that.

>> No.3286750

>>3286742
Apparently not.

>> No.3286790

>>3286746
Already have the S-Video cable, just waiting on the Din->RCA adapter to arrive in the mail. I'd love to give RGB a shot, but I need some adapters cause I'm no wire maker.

>> No.3286797

>>3286713
Wow, Lunatea's Veil looks great in 480p

>> No.3286801

>>3286797
I labeled them backwards on the filename, actually. Left is 480p, right is 480i. I think it may used an interlaced frame buffer or something like that, and as such 480p is just using half of the information.

>> No.3286873

>>3286801
Well,shit. I'm guessing it's not worth it to get hardware to scale a 480p signal to a 240p one for the PS2.

>> No.3286913

>>3286873
As I said before, unless you can manage to pull it(480i/p->240p) off internally to the system, you're better off finding a way to deinterlace it and take 480i up to 480p.

There is supposedly one version of GSM(can't remember which) that apparently supported 240p output of PS2 games rather than going up to 480p+, but I have no idea how it actually worked in practice.
Would really neat if there were more variables one could tweak when forcing rendering for occasions just like this, or possibly per-game config loading. If someone could solve this issue, Klonoa 2 would look absolutely fantastic in 480p.


Until then, I'm completely content playing it in 480i on the Megaview. It honestly handles interlaced content amazingly, both in video recording and in person. Even with Saturn Bomberman's 10P mode, the flicker isn't terribly apparent.

>> No.3286942

>>3286913
Did you try the HDTV Xploder that the anon kindly linked above? That does the same thing as GSM but supposedly has higher compatibility.

>> No.3286973

>>3286942
Thinking about it now, I'm not sure whether I did or not.

Might give that a shot now, actually. Not having to deal with the sync switch making the monitor freak out anymore might make me more willing to use the thing in 480p anyway.

>> No.3287047

>>3286942
>>3286973
Nope, infact, it seemed to pop right back into interlaced mode after the game started loading, with the exception that it seemed more flickery than normal even. Perhaps a pseudo-interlacing of sorts.

Decided to download GSM .23x as well.
Actually looks pretty nice in 240p.

>> No.3287050
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3287050

>>3286913
>There is supposedly one version of GSM(can't remember which) that apparently supported 240p output of PS2 games rather than going up to 480p+, but I have no idea how it actually worked in practice.
That would be 0.23, pic related. The Vmode to use for 240p is 'NTSC-NI to I-Field'. It's not nearly as intuitive and user-friendly as later revisions though.

>Would really neat if there were more variables one could tweak when forcing rendering for occasions just like this, or possibly per-game config loading. If someone could solve this issue, Klonoa 2 would look absolutely fantastic in 480p
This can be done with OPLGSM if you have your games stored on the PS2's hard drive. I have 500GB of spinning rust in my phat for this purpose. Don't think there's a way to make it work automagically with original or backup discs though...

>>3286224
>Interestingly, 480i actually looks *worse* on my PVMs because the raster lines are so tight and low persistence that the interlacing effect is very visible and distracting. I find bloomy, high-persistence consumer sets actually better for 480i content because they create a more persistent image
Same story with my BVM-20G1s, if not more so. As would be expected, these 15khz pro monitors really take no prisoners when it comes to signal quality. 240p is where they really shine.

>> No.3287056

>>3287050
>It's not nearly as intuitive and user-friendly as later revisions though.
Yeah, I realized as much. Something interesting I'm going to have to mess around with tomorrow.

>500GB of spinning rust
Wish the phat I have laying around was in decent condition. I won't go into how, but it hasn't exactly been in that good of shape after it got frozen in a block of ice. Not that my slim seems to be in the greatest of condition either, but what are you gonna do.

Most of what I've done with GSM has been with original discs though, and I haven't gotten around to actually getting loading from USB working as of yet.

>> No.3287185

>>3286612
>>3286673
>>3286713
Don't forget the HDD image you can write to nearly any IDE drive for fat PS2s. No trickery whatsoever.

>> No.3287212

>>3286553
AV famicom. Detachable controllers, expansion sound, top loading. Buy an NES to famicom adapter and you're good.

Don't believe this anon's lies
>>3286617
RGB NES is fantastic if you have a monitor sharp enough to render every pixel, and you can flash a new firmware to change the colors if you're autistic about that.

>> No.3287410

I fell for the SCART meme guys

>> No.3287491

>>>3287410
>falling for the "falling for the SCART meme" meme

>> No.3287675

>>3272619
>implying PVMs aren't trinitrons

>> No.3287697
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3287697

>>3287212
AV famicom mixes audio differently than the glorious gold and red famicom, and costs 5 times more for an untested one. And have fun with FDS zelda without a mic.

>> No.3287702

>>3287697
whoops, mistyped trip.

>> No.3287703

>>3287212
Oh, and I'm autistic enough that the only alternate NES palette to flash is still inaccurate.

>> No.3287749

>>3286790
Just pop a composite cable open and swamp the red audio pin to chroma, and the composite video pin to luma. You'll only get mono audio out of it, but it looks like that's all the monitor takes.

>> No.3287754

Need a bit of help here senpai.

So I hooked up my TwinFami to my BVM-14G5E via RCA (Until I can get an RGB mod installed) and it appears in black and white with the occasional flicker of colour.

How do I fix this?

>> No.3287763

>>3287754

Try different consoles and tvs until you isolate the problem to the console, the monitor, or if it's specific to that pairing, and report back.

>> No.3287768

>>3286290
>Okami in 480p
I tried this a few months ago, but the image was badly squashed. What did you do to make your picture not fucked up?

I also don't recommend buying a memory card off ebay. It's not hard to install it yourself. Paying for installation is just a scam

>> No.3287771

>>3287763
Well that's just the issue. I've tried 2 N64s, a PC-Engine Duo and an SNES and they all work fine. It's just the TwinFami that has the problem. I've tried it on another TV and it works fine.

>> No.3287842

>>3286429
yeah, I'm on#nesdev and #classiccmp and #shmups a lot. Best to ask on one of thrm, when I'm around (which won't be often right now due to real life shit).
Also I have an email I set up when I modded that anon's SNES mini for RGB for him.

pvm20l5anon@gmail.com

...just noticed that 4chan removed the email field. Like, two years ago. Wow.

>> No.3287853

>>3287754
Do BVMs have any adjustments that say anything like 'frequency' or 'subcarrier' or'color burst'?

Your monitor's not picking up the color information correctly; I had that happen when I gried connecting composite video from a 2nd generation ipod touch to my Apple IIe monitor (for lulz). That didn't have those adjustments but I eventually figured out that if I turned the TV on, let it warm up, turned it off after 8 seconds, waited 20 seconds,amd turmed it back on again it always detected it. It was weird and nothing else behaves like that o n it.

Anyway, try finding those kinds of controls. If that doesn't work, time for some arcane voodoo bullshit.

>> No.3287864
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3287864

>>3287754
>nesrgb
Also, you can get the same clarity with more accurate colors with a Wii, retroarch, and nestopia (or wii VC) than you currently can with a NESRGB sadly.

Someone asked about the top line of a color being darker in composite; you can see that in the composite in this pic.

>> No.3287882

>>3287842
i've been idling #shmups recently, whats your handle?

>> No.3287892
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3287892

>>3285991
Anyone know if using S-Video or RGB will get rid of the gray gradient on my white text? Is this a common problem?

>> No.3287916

Is it possible to fix discoloration that won't go away with the degauss button without a degaussing coil or am I going to have to suck it up and buy one?

>> No.3287967

>>3287882
I don't wanna say it here because I use it in other places, but if you drop me an email I can tell you. I'll hop on shmups.

>> No.3287972
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3287972

>>3287754
>>3287771
Turn the red circled screw (trimmer capacitor) in pic related.
Just in case you happen to own a expensive and precise frequency counter then you should measure the frequency of the master clock.
It should be exactly 21.47727Mhz but if you're not able to make such precise measurements then adjust very slowly till you see color on your BVM.

>>3287853
Consoles and (old home) computers often have fine adjustments (trimmer capacitor) for their oscillators which the subcarrier frequency is derived from.
It is normal that when crystal oscillators age their frequency will change.
And sometimes it's so extreme that it needs to be replaced despite that the computer worked normally except that no TV showed color:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140906143156/http://www.pagetable.com/?p=672

>>3287916
No, purity adjustments are necessary which will may lead to need to adjust convergence and/or geometry as well.

>> No.3287991

>>3287916
Possible, yes. I have done it by putting a small magnet near the corner of a tube.

>> No.3288060

>>3284342
>>3284381
>>3284551

>>ruin your console

>MUH CONSOLE PURITY

>> No.3288098

I just pulled out the old CRT monitor from my Commodore 128 and hooked my NES up to it. The picture is sharp, but there's absolutely no visible scanlines. Is this normal?

>> No.3288101

Which CRT has the best scanlines?

>> No.3288107

>>3288101
Whichever is the least used and calibrated the best.

>> No.3288116

SCART RGB is not a meme. It's a hassle to get and set up, but well worth it if you have an RGB monitor or converter.

>> No.3288121
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>>3287991
:)

>> No.3288139

>>3288101

NIB BVM 34"

>> No.3288164

>>3287768

H Raster/ V Raster size controls.

I don't remember Okami specifically, but I do remember that Katamari Damacy rendered in a strange narrow aspect ratio. I think normally the ps2 does something akin to the forced 4:3 aspect ratio stretching that the SNES does, but when you do the force 480p it's just reading directly from the framebuffer or whatever so you have to stretch it out yourself.

I'm pretty sure Nintendont on the WiiU does the same thing, and I have to play with the H and V size controls to get it correct.

>> No.3288191
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3288191

PHILIPS Manual 3 scart switcher SWV2052W/1 good or shit?

>> No.3288242

Do you guys adjust your brightness per game or what?

>> No.3288254

>>3288242

Not really, mostly just for ambient lighting conditions (day vs. night). Some lightgun games require/work better with higher brightness though. PS1 games are really the only thing I find I have to crank up the brightness. Lots of them went dark for "effect", but it's a pain in the ass if you're playing in anything but a pitch-black room at midnight. Other /vr/ stuff doesn't really matter, dragon quest or Sonic aren't really sensitive.

I do adjust contrast though. Some games look best with it jacked up, some with lower settings.

It does help that my main set came directly from a post-processing house who'd just calibrated it. I just wish they'd bothered with doing convergence right too.

>> No.3288270

Anyone know where I can get cheap BNC to RCA adapters in Canada?

>> No.3288272
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3288272

Thanks for that but I'm left with more questions now.

The main being where the hell is it?

>> No.3288273

>>3288272
This was a reply to >>3287972

>> No.3288278

>>3288254

PS1 is what prompted me to ask. I don't have any problems with the rest of my consoles, and I usually just play Resident Evil 1 and 2 on PS1, but I recently picked up Final Fantasy 7 and it seems overly dark, but I honestly don't know if it's supposed to be as dark as it is or not.

>> No.3288341

>>3288278

Hahaha yeah, I've literally just been playing FF7. Yeah finding shit like ladders in those grimdark edgelord backgrounds is a pain in the ass. I can see just fine if I jack up the brightness, but then the blacks turn into greys like I'm playing on a bad LCD.

I've never played ff7 before, so I don't know too much about it. (not gonna spoil it for you) I'm in Shinra HQ right now which is at least nice and bright. The only part I really had trouble with so far was the sewers, so I just jacked up the brightness for those ~5 min and then put it back to normal.

The other game that I have trouble with is MGS, again, dark edgelord shades of black and grey. Crash, Spyro, and THPS all play just fine regardless of lighting or screen glare.

>> No.3288372

>>3286553
AV Famicom is GOAT, there's really no better NES/FC hardware besides the Sharp Titler, and good luck finding one for under $1000.

>> No.3288419

>>3288164
I just tried it out again (with mgs2), and the picture was so small that I couldn't get it to fill the screen even blowing out the picture as tall and wide as It would go.
What worries me more than the size is that the image might not be accurate. Like 480p downscaled to 240p in the middle of a 480p frame.
This GSM stuff has worked on maybe 1 game I have tried out of about 10.

>> No.3288425 [DELETED] 
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3288425

>Not just making a hybrid cable

>> No.3288438
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3288438

Anyone else do this with an Extron Matrix switch? I can still use SCART if I really wanted to as well.

>> No.3288484
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3288484

>>3288121
>>3284351

Thanks for the help earlier on irc. Still can't plug anything in yet but I just found an in-country source for the adapters @ 50 cents each which is nice.

I'm noticing it now that the lights are low in my place... one monitor seems a lot blacker than the other. The other looks slightly washed out with a blue tinge to it. Both of them were completely reset and in this picture both are on the same input with nothing connected. Is this an indication of anything to be worried about?

Also, the whine is real. I'm a bit concered because I don't remember CRT whine as being this annoying (when I was younger I could obviously hear it, I remember always being able to know if my dad was watching TV any where in the house even though it was on mute). I have not used or seen CRTs in years now, except last week I went to check out some trinitrons and they didn't bug me at all. As soon as I fire up these pannies it hits me very hard and gives me a slight headache/sharp ear ring for a minute or two. After a few minutes I get '"used to it'", but if I concentrate I can definitely know they are on. I'm thinking that maybe it might be more than just the typical CRT high frequency noise, since I don't ever remember it being this bad as a kid (and I assume my hearing has gotten worse).

>> No.3288503
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3288503

>>3288484
Also i'll stay that the picture probably makes the difference looks worse than it seems to look in real life. It would probably not be noticable unless you were looking for it.

On the very black one, when I hit overscan I get the RGB lines and the entire screen stays the same colour. On the "washed out" one, its evident that the overscan area is a lot darker than towards the middle

>> No.3288513

>>3288419

Strange, I have no problem with MGS2. What's the brand and model number of your set?

Are you sure you didn't accidentally turn on the 'underscan' function of your monitor?

>> No.3288515

>>3288484
You in the gta anon?

>> No.3288532

>>3288515

Yeeaah. Are you the original owner?

>> No.3288539

>>3288419

And yeah, GSM kinda sucks. Whenever possible I'd say to just pick up the original discs so you can use Xploder, PS2 stuff is great as long as you're non-weeb.

Also, are you playing the original MGS2 or Substance?

Hooked up my PS2 just 4u - I have no problems getting my retail disc of MGS2 - Substance to fill the whole screen with either GSM or Xploder on my PVM. I just leave the h/v raster size settings the same as they are for my other systems and everything's fine, image fills the whole screen.

>> No.3288540

>>3288484
Could be the flyback transformer, a sign of CRT age.

>> No.3288565

>>3288419

Well, I checked again and my monitor's 480p preset is actually almost set as far as it'll go on H and V size, but it is filling the whole screen.

Your set probably just doesn't have the same amount of adjustment. And uh, if you can't tell the difference between a ~480p frame and a 240p frame I don't know what to tell you, dude

>> No.3288567

I want to run the 240p test suite on Wii using Smash Stack but I don't want to install HackMii.
I just want to run the thing straight out of Smash Stack, but it's a .dol instead of a .elf and because of that it won't load.

is there any way I can do this in the way I want to do it?

>> No.3288573

>>3288419

Many PS2 games run at a 512x448 internal resolution

>> No.3288575

>>3288567

Just install the HBC and launch from there.

You don't need to fuck around with cIOS (a.k.a. brick risk) and such, those are just for pirated Wii ISOs.

>> No.3288762

tomorrow I'm taking the cover off of my CRT to adjust the fine tune adjustments.
wish me luck

>> No.3288764

>>3288438
Nice for being able to connect a system up directly without any extra cables, but the fact that you're pulling from the SCART end means that any interference or crosstalk that was going to occur already happened and you might as well just use the breakout cable.

For an Crosspoint setup, it's a nice idea though.

>> No.3288853

>>3288484

I had a set with a red glow, turns out the previous owner just royally fucked the gain and bias settings.

Try setting them the same as the good monitor and see if that fixes things.

>> No.3289167
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3289167

Super-secret plan is comming along. Now only 10h of road to complete it...

>> No.3289195

>>3289167
That one of Megaviews that popped up in Canadia recently, or something else?

>> No.3289221

>>3289195
Nope, france :-) was literally 900km away but managed to use a travel near to get it. And it's more like "near" as it was still 180km away.

>> No.3289231
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3289231

I really like the look of this thing.

>> No.3289237

>>3278198
kinda late with this, but I have a rebaged Tandberg version of one of these. It does not do 240p over vga, and it does not do HD over component.

Unfortunately mine suffered earthquake damage and now has a strange fault where the SD inputs only go up to ~50% contrast

>> No.3289394

>>3284381

Post bread on pay stub fgt You don't even make a cable an hour. I've seen yeasr battlestation threads. I see the pics of monitors itt. I know you're a broke dick loser. I my be the only one on the board who owns a house without wheels on it and I don't make as much as you claim that you do.

>> No.3289396

>>3289231
>grailstatus

that's not a pvm-4300

>> No.3289404

>>3289396
>pvm-4300
43" tube at 540 TVL
yeah i'll pass.

>> No.3289412

>>3289231
no 240p though, what are you planning on playing on it?

>> No.3289417

>>3289404
450 and it's all you need on a monitor that size. This nig doesn't know big tubes and a number is the most important factor. toppest kek.

This nig

>> No.3289423

This is the only place on 4chan where you can witness a mid-life crisis in motion.

>> No.3289424

>>3289412
480i is 240p
also its 1000 lines

>> No.3289427

>>3289423
you better not play retro games on a 4K TV dude it looks like shit

>> No.3289440 [SPOILER] 
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3289440

>>3289427
I play retro vidya exclusively with eye melting, cancerous shaders that will make you want to kill yourself, but only after murdering everyone in this thread and raping their families - pets included.

My old CRT is in the garage. No room for it in my modest apartment.

>> No.3289450

>>3289417
>450
450 vertical
540 horizontal, you know, actually TVL

don't fuckig nig me you fucking nig

>> No.3289453

>>3289450
Don't call me nig, euro trash, otherwise I'll continue nigging you.

>> No.3289493

>>3288272
>>3288273
A very excellent question.
I'm stunned that they left something like a (cheap) 18pF trimmer out.
Looks like you either have to mess with your BVM or solder such a trimmer or normal capacitor with 5-27pF in.

>> No.3289581

>>3289237
That speaks volumes about its quality then.

Tandberg aren't usually known for slapping their badge on any old crap.

>> No.3289704
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3289704

>>3288513
>>3288539
>>3288565
>>3288573

This is all I get with 90% of games. Persona 4 is the only game that works properly at 480p.

>> No.3289779

>>3288853
Is that in the service menu?

>> No.3289854

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4v3B6wpvMY&t=4m40s
>me trying to fix my convergence issue.
I give up guys I don't think it's even possible.

>> No.3289919

>>3274860
>>3275383
I know im late, but thanks.

>> No.3289962
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3289962

>>3289919
Hey no sweat. We tend to play the long game here on /vr/ anyhow.

Thanks for the feedback and hope to see some nice oc shots at some point.

>> No.3289974

>>3288121
Man, I love those monitors. How much did you pay for yours again?

Also where did you find yours?

>> No.3289976

>>3289231
Yeah, I look for those on ebay and craigslist occasionally and never see anything.

I wonder if things are any better (in terms of availability if not price) on yahoo auctions.

>> No.3290012
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3290012

Sega Saturn RGB on a PVM-8044Q.

>> No.3290036

>>3288764

I mainly did it so I wouldn't have to wire up the multi out connectors and make a whole new cable. It's pretty sweet if you have a bunch of SCART cables already and I don't notice any interference.

>> No.3290203

>>3290036
I know, I commented on it elsewhere as well.

>> No.3290283

>>3289704

Is that a PC monitor?

My PVM-14L5, PVM-20L5, BVM-D14H5U and BVM-D9H5U all have sufficient H/V size for even the most stubborn "480p" games. IDK what to tell you dude, just buy a better monitor.

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 actually fills a whole 640x480 framebuffer, or close to it, so when I play that I have to turn my overscan back down to more normal settings.

>> No.3290310

>>3290012
Is that Elevator Action Returns?

>> No.3290317

>>3290310
Yes.

>> No.3290380

>>3290283
>IDK what to tell you dude, just buy a better monitor
It may not have as robust controls for adjusting the picture, but that NEC can almost definitely run circles around each of those in what it can actually display.

>>3289704
That an XM37 or XP37?

>> No.3290386

>>3290380
>That an XM37 or XP37
XM

>> No.3290398

Is there any reasonable way to convert YPbPr component to chroma/luma?

>> No.3290461
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3290461

What is the best BVM for 240p, 480i and 480p?

>> No.3290470

>>3290461
Protip, these games were meant to be played on a 36" crt in a living room, not by some weirdo collecting broadcast monitors.

>> No.3290476

>>3290470
Actually, they were made to be emulated on a 120'' 4K UHD OLED television at 144hz running idealized CRT shaders

>> No.3290479

>>3290476
Super Metroid dev here, I can confirm that this was our intent.

>> No.3290506
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3290506

>>3290470
I'm sure developers consumed as much area as possible in their workspaces, filling them with 200 pound 30"+ consumer TVs.

>> No.3290515

>>3290470
Games were just meant to be played in general. What type of display you use has no real meaning. I think you should chain yourself to your CRT and jump in the ocean.

>> No.3290661

>>3290461

P. happy with my BVM-D14H5U, it's 14" though so you've got to sit close.

There's also some PVM (14L5, 20L5) and other brand options. Those are probably your best bet if you want 20" or larger, big BVMs get nutz

>> No.3290668

How hard would it be to manufacture a CRT from scratch?

>> No.3290678

>>3290668

You could probably eke out about a 2 by 3 pixel effective resolution before you died of irradiated ball cancer and/or electrocution

>> No.3290681

>>3290668
https://youtu.be/MsMsZaSz3Fk
It's pretty complicated

>> No.3290694

>>3290668
I would rather somebody make a universal CRT board that drives the guns and deflection yoke of an already existing tube.

>> No.3290695

>>3290694
Yeah that would be fantastic

>> No.3290697
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3290697

>>3290694
>m-muh 30 year old burned-in and burned-out tubes

>> No.3290740
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3290740

so you guys know that a 14" CRT is better than a 20", right? Like, an image that small obviously looks better with less magnification. when you blow a 224p image up to 20"+ that's what introduces artifacts. you don't even need S-video or higher at small resolutions, it looks good on its own.

>> No.3290749
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3290749

Amiga 1080 guy here. I wanna test out the RGB on my monitor using my Wii. I'll have to adapt CGA to VGA and then VGA to the Wii's Component. Anyone know any good Component to VGA adapters? Is the adapter pictured what I need?

>> No.3290761
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3290761

>>3290740
No kidding?

>> No.3290773

>>3290740
Enjoy your scanlines being crammed together so hard you can't even differentiate them anymore

>> No.3290840

>>3290749
>CGA to VGA and then VGA to the Wii's Component
Wii Component -> RGB ("SCART") will suffice. You want to leave the Wii in standard definition. From there, a simple adapter to connect to your transcoder of choice(the thing that turns Component into RGB) to the RGB input of the monitor.

What you have pictured is simply a cable. It won't change the signal in anyway.

>> No.3290862
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3290862

>>3290773
y-you too

>> No.3290904

this any good?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-8040-Trinitron-Color-VIDEO-MONITOR-/322138130610?hash=item4b00edc8b2:g:4FQAAOSwnNBXVETN

>> No.3290920
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3290920

>>3290840
Will the common $50 YUV to RGB Scart transcoder work? It doesn't appear to adapt both ways, or does it? Would I be able to alternatively use a powered YPbPr to VGA converter or do those mess with the resolution? Just trying to avoid getting into SCART at all at the moment, as I just wanna test out my monitor's RGB before investing in all that. Will also help because I'd love to try HD Retrovision's YPbPr cables for genesis/SNES on my TV and just avoid importing things altogether.

>> No.3290967

>>3290904
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-8040-Trinitron-Color-VIDEO-MONITOR-/322138130610?hash=item4b00edc8b2:g:4FQAAOSwnNBXVETN

If you want to play on a 8" screen, sure. I wouldnt get it

>> No.3290979
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3290979

>>3290920
Nearly positive that scales and process the image as well.

>Would I be able to alternatively use a powered YPbPr to VGA converter or do those mess with the resolution?
What I use is technically a YPbPr to VGA transcoder, but it works for 15khz resolutions as well. All depends on the specific item in question.
To note, mine is a Key Digital KD-CTCA3

>HD Retrovision's YPbPr cables
I hope you're not talking about going from RGB, to Component(with this cables) and then back to RGB again because that'd just be plainly silly.

>>3290904
>>3290967
The fact that it only has a 250TVL tube and is limited to Composite or S-Video, I'd say no.

>> No.3290985
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3290985

What kind of adapter will I need to make this connector fit a composite cable?

>> No.3290991

>>3290985
RCA female to BNC male

You can multiples of them on Amazon or ebay for really cheap; Don't spend ~$7 or something like that at Radio Shack or your equivalent on one.

>> No.3290992

>>3290985
BNC male to RCA female. Costs $0.50-$2 online.

>> No.3290998

>>3290991
>>3290992
Thanks

>> No.3291047

>>3290749
Theres a wii VGA cable

>> No.3291051

>>3290461
> best BVM for 240p, 480i
XX10p series.

>> No.3291117
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3291117

Jeezus, how do I unload this thing...

>> No.3291230
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3291230

>>3291117
trying to slide it on planks...

>> No.3291232
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3291232

>>3291230
just a bit more and I'll be able to pull the plank and slide it...

>> No.3291234

>>3291232
SUCCESS !

Remember /crt/, planks are your friends

>> No.3291235
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3291235

>>3291234
annnnndddd forgot the pic

>> No.3291426

Time for a new thread?

>> No.3291453

>>3291450

New thread

>> No.3291658

>>3289974
$130 CAD, so about 100 USD for both.

>> No.3292503

>>3288532
nope but I saw them, these are really nice for the size