/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3220726

Is Final Fight even difficult? What kind of problems are you having?

>>3220726
I'd fug that tranny.

>>3220731
Playing on MAME on the default settings (Normal difficulty, 3 lives only). I always lose a life to those fat bastards with their rush attacks.

>>3220735
Git gud. Final Fight is an easy peasy game I can beat the SNES version in 40 minutes.

>>3220735

Are you talking about Bill Bulls? Correct me if I am wrong, but do they not holler before they charge at you? In any case, the best option is to corner them and get them to the ground as quickly as possible.

>>3220739
>SNES version
L O L
O
L

keep putting in credits until you win

What's a belt scroller?

>>3220739
>SNES version
>Same thing as the arcade version
I was going to call you an idiot, but then I realized MAME now emulates consoles too. But nobody uses MAME to play console games anyway, so you're still an idiot.

>>3220765
A 2.5D beat 'em up like Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, and Turtles in Time.

Just grabbed super double dragon, been enjoying it so far. I was spoiled by my first real experience with double dragon was double dragon advance, other than playing the first one on NES a handful of times as a kid. Super double dragon is different but definitely still fun as shit.

>>3220817
Return of Double Dragon is the better version though. Play that once you're done with Super Double Dragon.

>>3220764
>credit feeding
gtfo casual

>>3220826
Good to know, that's actually the one I bought since super double dragon is too pricy. What about it is better? I've never played super double dragon itself, all I know is they added the double dragon theme at the title and those two dickbag kung fu brothers have to be fought simultaneously.

>>3220765

Pic related.

>>3220838
>Adjustable difficulty setting
>Your hurricane kick can multi-hit enemies.
>You can switch between weapons on the ground
>Knives and incendiary bombs don't do as much damage
>Vastly different enemy placement.
>The final stage is much longer.
>Jimmy's roundhouse kick animation is different.
Also the boxart is different and the manual is in full color and has more artwork.

>>3220854
So really no point in playing the US release, huh? I'm loving what I've played of it so far, glad I grabbed the better version.

>>3220846
Those are neat

>>3220726
>>3220735
Well timed jumpkicks are a skill you need to develop. Figuring out safe angles of approach and not knocking down people as soon as you can to maximize efficiency- gotta get on it

>>3220817
There isn't any way to play double dragon advance co-op on a game boy player, is there?

>>3220726
>Belt-Scroller

this shit has got to stop

>>3220726
>Belt-Scroller

is that what we're calling it? Cuz you know beat em work has been what Ive tossed around forever.

How do you even get BELT? I mean I get conveyor belt but pretty much all games involved moving to the side. You wouldn't call Mario a Belt Platformer and that had actual auto scroll segments

It's called belt scroller because of the stop and go gameplay and the fact that levels are horizontally long but have a bit of vertical width to them like a conveyor belt, you assburgers.

>>3220997

Sounds like some gay modern term to me.

>>3220997

Belt scrollers are electromechanical games. This misappropriation of the term is completely pointless when the games you're referring to are have already been called beat 'em ups for ages.

>>3221007
It's been used in Japan since the '80s, mate. Newfag much?

>>3221010
>I can't think in metaphors
>My way is the only right way!!!

Aspergers confirmed. Kill yourself, literal retard.

>>3221013

>thinking I care what some salty jap has to say

Everyone here where I live literally calls them beat em ups. Stop being a fucking weeb homo.

>>3221013
Yeah, and I'm sure you've been calling them that since the 80's. Back when you were reading issues of Famitsu and Gamest. When you were 3 years old.

>>3221013
>>3220997
>>3221014
1: Proo that japs call it like that in japan since 80s?

Noone ever used the term in the west, google search point to a sperg wikia that have trouble identifying basic genres and these threads.

Proper english name: Beat'em'up.

Japaneese may use whatever term they want. Know how adventure games are called in Europe? "Walkies". Never heard anyone use the term outside.

tl;dr: you are a weaboo retard.

>>3221013

Just a little over a year ago, there was no one saying belt scroller at all. It's when we had a huge influx of faggots from /v/ and other parts of 4chan did the terminology begin to crop up.

Fuck off newfag.

>>3220734
>tranny

Belt-Scroller, Butt-Slapper, whatever, it's all stupid Engrish to me.

'PLEASE TO PLAYING GLORIOUS BELT SCROLLA FOR GREAT JUSTICE!'

But weebs cream themselves over literal translations so it's really no surprise I guess.

jesus thread is a shitfest.. anyway
try learning the final fight combo ex: jab jab turn , turn forward, jab jab repeat. also abuse throws when you can cuz it gives invincibility frames. a+b when your gettng hit, you will take damage but itll prolly be less than what the enemy is about to do to you. I have only 1cc'ed avsp , dnd , punisher I have yet to do final fight but this is what I understand from playing the game a little bit before

>>3220726
Sorry, I don't know what a belt scroller is, I only know beat 'em ups.

>>3220726
>Belt-Scroller

>>3220726
>Belt-Scroller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>3221026
>Know how adventure games are called in Europe? "Walkies".

how about no. at best that's what a retarded australian would call it.

>Belt-Scroller
haha he fuckin posted it again

>>3221154
Fuck off idiot, im australian and you wouldnt catch me saying fucking belt scroller. Seriously the fuckwit that keeps trying to get this to catch on needs to quit it...

>>3221169
>adventure games
>Walkies

I didn't say illiterate.

>>3220726
Poison belongs in an updated version of this game.

>>3220970
Thread was going just great until right here.

Why does everyone get so upset over nomenclature? Seriously if someone says beat em up you don't see 30 people jump down their throat saying "IT'S CALLED A BELT SCROLLER" but the inverse is true. They're called belt scrollers in Japan and some people like that name, nobody is saying beat em up is the WRONG name for these.

>>3221498
>Why does everyone get so upset over nomenclature
It's probably some samefag whose autism got triggered.

>>3221498
Because it's fun.

>>3220896
You have to own a GBA, a GameCube-to-GBA link cable and a second copy of the game cartridge if I'm not mistaken. It's no different from playing co-op on a real GBA.

>>3221565
>>3221568
You don't see anyone getting all up in arms over "platformer" vs "side scroller".

Stroking Wallopers.
Original name do not steal I will sue.

Why is the gameplay so fun in Bare Knuckle III, but everything else so shit? Especially that train and bomb stage.

>>3220770
Oh you must be Japanese! We call those beat em ups in America.

This guy always rekts me. Help!

>>3221860
No we call them funky chunky walk and punchies

/ledeg/ - Lump 'Em 'n Dump 'Em General

>>3221907
Jump kick.

>>3221920
Nuh-uh we call them BTGs, short for Bea-Ting Games.

Posting an interview with Final Fight and Street Fighter II character designer and planner Akiman.
http://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column-112429.html
http://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column-112432.html

>>3222209
Beatemupfag status:

B T F O
T
F
O

>>3220739
>Final Fight is an easy peasy game I can beat the SNES version in 40 minutes.
lmfao go 1 cc the arcade version dickhead.

Just tried the syndicate wars mod for Streets of Rage 2... is it normal for Max to be broken? His super looks glitched and his normal punch has no hitbox.

>>3222219

Not really, why don't you fuck off back to /v/ with your retard text formats.

>>3220726
> calling those types of games belt scrollers
> some sperg gets triggered and says "nooooo it'sa beat 'em up"
> massive shitposting ensues
> not knowing that one of those games would actually be referred to as a strolling donnybrooks.

>>3222309
classic retort of a butthurt /vr/min

>w-w-why don't you go back to /v/...

>mfw the people who call these games belt scrollers have never 1cc'd a game and probably credit feed

>>3220726
Is there a bigger version of this pic that isn't just an upscale? 640x640 is the biggest I've seen.

>>3222317

Think what you want, beltscrollers aint gonna stick just because some 80's Jap Weeb overlord calls them that. Stay mad ho.

>>3220726
http://poal.me/wsic0j

VOTE, NOW

>Streets of Rage 1
Rough around the edges but still a great game, perfect embodiment of 80's action movie, good music, great level design, art is gritty and contrasting which fits the theme of the game perfectly.

>Streets of Rage 2
Bright and colorful looks more like a 90's Saturday morning cartoon than an 80's action movie. Rushed out the door in under a year after SoR1 blatantly unfinished, some stages are missing bosses and enemies/bosses are copy pasted multiple times, level design is poor with most stages being nonsensical with the feeling they were just thrown in with no rhyme or reason just to fill a checklist, many features are missing such as 2 player team attacks, stage hazards, pitfalls, weapons, fat enemies can be thrown like normal etc. Combat is very slow and infinites are rampant, game is horribly unbalanced and extremely easy even on "mania" the game also has many game breaking glitches and exploits such as getting infinite lives and random crashes.

>Streets of Rage 3
Return to its roots, more gritty and darker than SoR2, game-play and combat is the best it has ever been its fast fluid and has more depth than the other games, level design is also great with branching paths, multiple interactables, stage hazards. 2 player team attacks are back and fat enemies can no longer be thrown like regular enemies, most of the missing weapons from SoR2 also return. Bosses are all unique with interesting and unique mechanics making them very fun to fight against, the game has multiple hidden extra characters and bonuses and the game is very challenging. SoR3 actually pioneered a new genre of music

SoR3 is a fucking masterpiece, too bad people only judge it based on its butchered American release.

>>3222403
>Bright and colorful looks more like a 90's Saturday morning cartoon than an 80's action movie
m8 you don't know what you're talking about
violent storm is a beat em up done in saturday cartoon morning style, sor 2 is 90's ova noir at it's finest

>Rushed out the door in under a year after SoR1 blatantly unfinished, some stages are missing bosses and enemies/bosses are copy pasted multiple times, level design is poor with most stages being nonsensical with the feeling they were just thrown in with no rhyme or reason just to fill a checklist
>game is horribly unbalanced and extremely easy even on "mania" the game also has many game breaking glitches and exploits such as getting infinite lives and random crashes
you're literally thinking of sor 3

also sor 2 "stole" it's music from actual dance music tracks just like sor 1 did, sor 3 on the other hand used an innovative algorithm to produce unique-sounding detroit techno

that said I agree that sor 3 is definitely faster and more radical than any of it's predecessors, even without the polish than sor 1 and 2 received it's still a fairly decent and underrated game in it's own rights

>>3222403
>SoR3 actually pioneered a new genre of music
How so?

>>3222707
I'm not the guy you're quoting. Apparently Yuzo Koshiro used a random note generator to compose the games soundtrack.

>>3222782
But how did he create a new genre? Random note generation has been around for decades before Yuzo Koshiro started composing music.

>>3222810
Not him, but maybe he meant it was the first time it had been used in videogames.

>>3222819
Was it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8NxCAjQOUo

Here's your belt scrolling beat 'em up, niggers.

>>3222403
>SoR3 actually pioneered a new genre of music
I am so fucking bored of reading this absolute bullshit from you clueless fucking cunts. The ost of sor3 is basically homages and inspired massively by detroit techno as yuzo was a massive fan of the genre so no it's not a fucking new genre and FYI detroit techno was pushing the sound from around 1988 courtesy of Jeff mills, underground resistance,kevin saunderson,derrick may, madmike, suburban knight etcetcetc. It may of been the first time it was used in a game sure but it was absolutely not a new genre of music ffs. Nerds are fucking clueless as fuck with music.

>>3223016
I like Run & Punch a lot better than Belt Scroller.

Belt scroller implies a belt wrapped around cylinders to infinitely repeat itself. Beat 'em up games don't infinitely repeat. They have a start and end for each level.

>>3223616
this. thank you

>>3223520
Taito made so many amazing forgotten arcade games. I never seen this before.

>>3223625
>Belt scroller implies a belt wrapped around cylinders to infinitely repeat itself
It's also vague enough to sound like it includes any scrolling game with any scrolling orientation.

>gradius
>raiden
>rastan
>spy hunter

It's a really bad term.

>>3223016
>no Vendetta
>no X-Men
>no Captain America and the Avengers
>no Mutation Nation
>no Knights of the Round

Shitty list is shitty.

>>3223793
Also
>no River City Ransom

>>3220846

Ah, the mind of a child.
The road is literally a straight 3- second loop but I could still spend hours on our one of these.

>>3223520
This is everything I ever wanted and more.

>>3223520
The two main guys look like cyberpunk versions of Billy and Jimmy Lee.

>>3223616
Calm down Autismo. Much like Detroit city of today, nobody gives a fuck.

>>3222424
>sor 2 "stole" it's music
Hot opinions there mate. Have any proof? Preferably any court filings or copyright infringement doc links? Or are you going to link to some shitty Technotronic vid on Youtube with a midget Ya Kid K spazzing out to some song that vaguely sounds like every other dance/techno track from the early 90s? The fuck outta here.

Why do people shit on Sengoku 3 so much? Seems like a really cool belt scroller to me.

>>3223616
Not surprised that such a shitty sound came from such a pit of a city.

>>3224785

Somebody had a Youtube channel that was full of remixes from various Sega games and he made a video that directly showed which licensed music SOR2's OST stole from, but it all got deleted about a month ago.

>>3224776
>nobody gives a fuck
Not him. but I do.

>>3224785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYUuCN3A0K0

One of my favorite strolling fracases.

Also, it seems that the term "brawler" has finally died off, and this makes me very happy. Although "belt scroller" is ten times worse.

Idiots, they're called belt scrollers because most of the characters are wearing belts.

Just look at all of those sweet blue jeans.

You wouldn't want those falling down while you were in the middle of punching mohawk punks, women, robots, LGBT pride parade rejects and weirdly athletic morbidly obese guys in the face.

>>3224813
Detroit techno's fucking great you dingus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GnFvdaEl2Q

>>3220997
>It's called belt scroller because of the stop and go gameplay and the fact that levels are horizontally long but have a bit of vertical width to them like a conveyor belt
So 2D platformers are "belt scrollers."

So horizontal shmups are "belt scrollers."

So soccer and football games with a horizontally oriented field are "belt scrollers."

>>3225324
I've seen the term "belt floor action game" (ベルトフロア in moonrunes if you wish to google it) pop up on Japanese websites as much as "belt scroll action". In a way, the perspective does make the ground look like a belt.

>>3225324
Do you even play games? None of those have stop and go moments like belt scrollers that scroll after you beat everyone up, or the "3D" field that is longer than it is wide.

>>3225680
>None of those have stop and go moments like belt scrollers that scroll after you beat everyone up, or the "3D" field that is longer than it is wide.
They all have stop and go moments, and they are all longer than they are wide. They also allow you to move in eight directions just like "belt scrollers" do. Ergo, they're "belt scrollers."

A 2D platformer has stop and go moments. A 2D platformer allows you to move around the screen. A 2D platformer has levels that are longer than they are wide.

A horizontal shmup has stop and go moments (boss fights that stop you and then typically scrolling seamlessly resumes afterward for the next level). A horizontal shmup allows you to move around the screen. A horizontal shmup has levels that are longer than they are wide.

A soccer or football game with a horizontally oriented field has stop and go moments. A soccer or football game allows you to move around the screen. A soccer or football game has levels that are longer than they are wide.

According to the incredibly nebulous definition of "belt scrollers," these genres all apply.

Or you could just cut to the chase and let people know exactly what style of game you're talking about by saying "beat 'em up" since "beat 'em up" is universally understood and recognized.

>>3225730
Being facetious isn't going to stop Japan and 4chan from calling them belt scrollers, anon.

>belt scroller

Is this the hot new meme genre after "tunnel shooter" and "character action game"?

>>3225759
MEME MEME MEME
MEMEY MEME MEMES
MEME FUCKING KILL YOUR MEME SELF

>>3225759

Yeah, it's meme. Just a couple of fags pushing it as hard as they possibly can.

>B-B-BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT IN JAPAN! IT'S LEGITIMATE!

That's pretty fucking sugoi, anon-kun, here's a kawaii neko shashin for you.

>>3225797
>everything I don't like is a meme
Can you actually define what the word means or do you just only vaguely know the general context and fumble around with its meaning? Fucking retard.

>>3225797
>I'll phrase the opposing argument with stutters to make it look like a bad argument because I don't have any actual criticism!
Wow, such great debate skills. Your mom must be real proud of you.

>>3220854
>>3220867
you can catch the boomerang weapon when it comes flying back to you as well, Super Double Dragon it just smacks you in the face.

>>3225825
Yeah, I think you can also reflect thrown knives with your fist in Return, whereas in Super they just fall into the ground.

>>3224785
>Have any proof?
You telling me you can't hear for example stage 4 being a clear rip off of the shamen - move any mountain?

>>3224785
Its not our fault your ear is so shit that it all sounds the same to you but alas that doesn't change the fact it was all homages and remakes for the most part. Technotronic was ripped off entirely for sor1 opening stage. It's not uncommon either see Manabu namiki remaking underground resistance - jupiter jazz for stage 2 of battle garegga.

>>3224776
>Calm down Autismo. Much like Detroit city of today, nobody gives a fuck.
Well you don't because you don't have a clue or understanding of just how important detroit techno was/is on the history of electronic music spectrum. There are plenty of documentaries on it though if you ever feel like dropping the ignorance and actually learning something new.

>>3225307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9GU2mv0j9A

>>3225739
Trying to force a term that's only occasionally used in Japan on websites hosted in America isn't going to start making 4chan or other websites start calling beat 'em up games "belt scrollers."

If you want to surround yourself with people who use the phrase "belt scroller," move to Japan and visit Japanese websites. I'm sure they'll be very welcoming of a foreigner.

>>3221860
Beat'em ups can mean also sidescrollers, pic related - it's Bad Dudes, a beatemup, and also a sidescroller.

In fact, that is relatively common - many beatemups like NES Kung Fu, Splatterhouse, Altered Beast, Dragonball Advanced Adventure, One Finger Death Punch, Shank, Karateka, 90% of Battletoads... sidescroller beatemups were and are still popular. So, clearly, we need some different term for those ones with 3D gameplay and 2D graphics.

So yeah, you're retarded.

>>3225868
Dude even Detroit doesn't give a fuck about Detroit.

>>3225935
We might as well never use any loanwords with that mentality. Like it or not, the term caught on with the genre's fanbase.

Is anyone else able to run Night Slashers in MAME?

>>3226983
Yes, easily. What trouble are you having?

>>3226997
Complains I don't have these files:

vm-00.3d NOT FOUND (NO GOOD DUMP KNOWN) (tried in nslashers nslasher nslashers)
vm-01.4d NOT FOUND (NO GOOD DUMP KNOWN) (tried in nslashers nslasher nslashers)
vm-02.8j NOT FOUND (tried in nslashers nslasher nslashers)
FATALERROR: Required files are missing, the machine cannot be run.

Is there a BIOS I'm missing?

>>3227020
I'm using MAME 0.153, and it will work with no additional bios files. All I can guess is that there's something wrong with it on newer versions of MAME.

>>3227020
>>3227054
Did you download the Korean version of Night Slashers? That seems to be the parent romset for some reason.

>>3227054
>>3227062
I was able to fix it by creating blank files named after those files (vm-00.3d, etc.) and added them to the nslasher.zip file. Now it seems to be running normally.

Is it worth it to go back and revisit these games if I'm going to be playing it single-player? Or is it something that really only shines with co-op?

>>3226441
>Like it or not, the term caught on with the genre's fanbase.
No, the term caught on with a very small group of shitposters that have been persistently trying to force the term.

Loanwords that fill in as a word for something that doesn't have a specific word or phrase for it is one thing, trying to force a loanword on top of a pre-existing phrase is another. This is the latter.

>>3227535
Belt scroller > beat 'em up

Deal with it nerd.

>>3227556
I never understood why people had issues with the term "belt-scroller", but few people ever complain "Metroidvania".

>>3229000
lots of people whine about metroidvania tho

>/bsg/ Belt-Scroller General
What the fuck is a belt-scroller.

>>3229000
Because nobody outside of Japan and weeaboos has ever heard of it.

>>3230440
They're both gaming jargons, no different from each other.

>>3230440
idk man the first time I saw streets of rage I thought 'its like a belt scrolling them towards you'

>belt scroller
Ebin XD

>>3220726
I think I just discovered the bes SEATBELT BRAWLER ever created.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqlS-IDgsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1pMJcHEioQ

>>3231082
I heard of Ane-san before, but it never really caught my attention. It looks rather meh from a gameplay standpoint (like other PCE belt-floorers), but at least the characters and premise are original. Reminds me a bit of Zoku: Legend of Bishin on the SFC, another belt-movers where the characters were mostly womynz.

>>3231635
I think the music is really bizarre and badass.

>>3220726
>forcing maymays too hard

>>3226441
I'm into beatemups and go onto the forums a lot.
But first (and only) time I saw the term was here in these threads.

Google search also doesen't provide any results of the terms usage on forums, or anywhere outside of faggot sites like GiantBomb and that one obscure wikia (where you pulled tha tterm from) that seems to confuse hack'n'slash with slashers.

Also picrelated (and link related): goo gl/XlQS0Z


Japs may call them however they want, but that is a literal translation. Proper translation would be "Beat'em up".

You don't call S.T.A.L.K.E.R. a "Cтpeлялкa c выживaиeм", now, do you?

>>3232794
Belt Scroller has a very distinct style of gameplay and logically makes sense, cry more sperg.

>>3232794
>that one obscure wikia (where you pulled tha tterm from) that seems to confuse hack'n'slash with slashers.
Which one? And what's the difference between a slasher and a hack 'n slash?

>>3232839
Exactly! Beat-'em-up is also used refer to competitive fighters like Street Fighter II (mostly by Britbongs) or a "stylish action" game like Devil May Cry. At least belt-scroller refers to a specific type of perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MqQs2tL7I&t=5m10s

Dat Gradius boss fight.

>>3233015
It has a Moai head boss and Salamander brain boss. Anne is hot.

>>3233015

I swear there was another game like this, fought a giant tank and maybe a giant frankenstein thing?

>>3233496
Could it be Warzard by Capcom?

>>3233513

No, it wasn't. However, I'm going to go play that right the fuck now. Cheers.

How to not get my shit pushed in by the 2 Predators boss fight?

>>3233496
>>3233513

I found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qZ5sNZvpIQ

how do you guys feel about guardians of da hood?

>>3233535
What is this genre called? Boss rush fighting games?

>>3233551
I don't think there were enough games in this sub-genre to get a name.

>>3233539
Wish they had released the Genny port with the Pit Fighter cast added in.

>tfw every punchy mcwalkfight thread is 20% game discussion and 80% notching about genre terminology

yall make me sad

>>3234847
Before the belt-scrolling meme these threads were dead anyway.

why is there serious discussion in this thread?
why are you letting this forced genre title fag win?

>>3235258
Because belt scroller is an all-inclusive term to describe this type of gameplay, both beat 'em ups (Final Fight) and hack 'n slash games (Golden Axe). The sooner you learn to deal with it, the sooner these threads can stop being a fucking joke with you babies crying over which semantics you like more.

Reminder to report and filter. This is literally the overrated general guy with a new gimmick.

>>3234847

Nobody ever talked about the games anyway. If you try to make a genuine lump em n' dump em thread, all you get is "these are boring" "too easy I beat it with infinite credits and it felt like a chore" "why shouldn't i continue, fags" and nobody's even played them beyond final fight, streets of rage and a few konami titles.

>>3235331
Don't forget run 'n guns like NARC and Konami's Aliens.

Finally reached Round 6 of Final Fight in one credit. Got my ass handed to me by the Andores in the second level. It feels good to get the hang of this game.

I never realized there was limit to the number of weapons you can have lying on the floor at any given moment and this will prevent the molotov throwing Holly Woods from appearing.

>>3220726
Anyone else like when girls wear shorts short enough to see their buttcheeks

>>3235652
That's my fetish.

>>3233010
Hack'n'slash is an RPG subgenre with minimal story and focus on combat (Diablo, Titan quest etc.), not necessary melee, can be magic as well. Term comes from tabletop RPGs.

Slasher is a 3d person action game with focus on melee combat, and melee combat diversity (combos and weapons). (Die by the Sword, Severance, Rune, Enclave, DMC series).

Back when DMC came out one of the uneducated journos tried to stick the term hack'n'slash on it because he thought it sounds fitting, retards ran with it.

>>3235612
Yeah some enemies don't spawn when there i sprite saturation, also you can "skip" enemies by throwing them to the left and scrolling until these disappear, people speedrun the game using these exploits but i prefer to play it more traditionally.

>>3235687
>Hack'n'slash is an RPG subgenre with minimal story and focus on combat (Diablo, Titan quest etc.), not necessary melee, can be magic as well. Term comes from tabletop RPGs.
I thought those were just Action RPGs.
>Slasher is a 3d person action game with focus on melee combat, and melee combat diversity (combos and weapons). (Die by the Sword, Severance, Rune, Enclave, DMC series).
>Back when DMC came out one of the uneducated journos tried to stick the term hack'n'slash on it because he thought it sounds fitting, retards ran with it.
Capcom never promoted DMC as anything other than "stylish action" though.

>>3235692
It's a pretty handy technique in Round 5, since that stage has such a strict time limit.

Is it me or does the Sega CD version feels too slow compared to the arcade? I know they slowed down Cody and Guy's punching speed for one thing.

>>3235856
Yeah, the Sega CD port has two main problems: 1) 4 enemies on screen limitation 2 ) he combo speed is slower which can be a pain with Andores.
X68k port is the best but it still has the 4 enemies limitation sadly.

>>3235958
The Sega CD version is also buggy when you perform Haggar's pile drive or backdrop on Roxy.

>>3235963
Also you can exploit Haggar's throw all the time because there isn't a "throw cooldown" like in the arcade, which means tons of invincibility time.

>>3235974
Nice. Cody and Guy sucks in the Sega CD version for some reason, so I would imagine Haggar is the best in that version. I'll try it out the next.

Do you know how exactly the different difficulty settings in the AC version works? There's like 32 possible combinations of Difficulty A and Difficulty B (pic related). Why is there even two settings to change to begin with? The SNES version had this shit too before they simplified it in the Guy edition.

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Thx for the free bumps!

Someone should make a Wario belt scroller fan game.

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>free bumps

>>3237808
There's always 森夫THE双截龍, a Double Dragon spoof with Mario and Luigi.

Does the belt-scroller perspective have a specific name to it? It's not quite a side-view, but it's not exactly isometric either.

>>3239090
Belt View

>>3237808
Wario World on Gamecube almost is. It's a 3D platformer, but there's a big emphasis on combat. Wario can throw enemies and do a bunch of different attacks.

>>3239090
that's one of the most boring games i've 1cc'd

>>3235782
Action RPG is action first, RPG elements second, think System Shock, Deus Ex etc. Story often plays somewhat bigger role than in H'n'S, even if it's strictly linear.

Hack'n'Slash has much more emphasis on stats and random loot, also much less of a story.

Also I never said anything about how Capcom promoted DMC, I said how inept journos labelled it, disregarding that prior Hack'n'Slash was a very specific subgenre with defined characteristics: Stats, lots of activateable skills, random loot (not necessary though), story is just a backdrop for putting character into a combat scenario.

From there, many journos labelled DMC-likes as "Hack'n'slash" to the point where uneducated population accepted the term, the fact that there were very few actual hack'n'slash games at the time furthered the issue.

>>3239330
You're a moron, hack 'n slash has always referred to weapons-based beat 'em ups like Golden Axe or Knights of the Round.

Diablo is action-RPG with light roguelike elements.

>>3239339
Straight from the wiki

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_and_slash

>Hack and slash made the transition from the tabletop to video games, usually starting in D&D-like worlds.[2] This form of gameplay influenced a wide range of action role-playing games, including games such as Lineage,[3] Xanadu[4] and Diablo.[5]

>Distinct from hack and slash role-playing video games, the term "hack and slash" began being used to refer to early weapon-based beat 'em up action games, such as Golden Axe.[6][7] Journalists covering the video game industry often use the term "hack and slash" to refer to a distinct genre of 3D third-person, weapon-based, beat 'em up games, including titles such as Devil May Cry, God of War, Darksiders and Bayonetta.[8][9]

tl;dr: journos called DMC H'n'S, then arcade beatemups too. Dumb masses caught on. No one referred to arcade beatemups as HnS prior,

>>3239359
>Straight from the wiki
Into the trash it goes.

>>3239361
>let's discard facts because wikipedia gets something right for once

>>3239364
What are the cited sources then? Hack 'n Slash was always such a vaguely defined genre anyway.

>>3239370
Personal experience. Again, vaguemness of a definition stems from people who don't know about generes but try to tell others which thing to call what.

The term originated from tabletop RPG's, transferred to videogame RPGs by proxy, as every other RPG term and stayed that way until the beginning of 2000's, and some jock decided "Hey, in this game you slash things with a bigass sword! This must be the thing they call hack'n'slash!"

No reviews from the 90's applied the term to this kind of games. Ill accept being proven wrong, but please link me to the magazines that did so then.

>>3239090
Now that I remember, Taito's Lightbringer has an isometric perspective and that's considered a belt-scroller IIRC.

Is there any noticeable differences between all the versions of Final Fight currently emulated by MAME? I've noticed some of them are dated, but I would imagined they don't have any major differences outside bug fixes.

I just realized that you can use a third button to escape from enemy grabs (like Andore's and Rolento's). How common was it to modified a Final Fight cabinet to use a third button?

Bumpan

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Is there any way to break out of getting combo'd in Ninja Gaiden?

>>3245013
I don't think you can't. I know the JP version is a lot easier than the other regional releases.

>>3220734
>tranny
nope.

>>3222403

SoR1 has its own style and look. The smaller sprites and the zoomed out camera.

2 and 3 are literally just final fight. Far larger sprites, cameras zoomed way in like Final fight and they even changed the fucking health bar to be a carbon copy of Final Fight complete with enemy names.

I prefer 1 because of the aesthetics style despite 2 and 3 being technically superior graphically.

I just hate that they had their own thing going and decided to follow it up by going full Final Fight.

Walky Righty Punchy Fighty >>>> Belt Scroller

>>3247957
That's like saying that Doom is taking place on Tei Tenga and stars Thi Barett, because it says so in the Doom Bible. Or even that it actually is adaptation of Aliens, because it was intended to be so.

Regardless of intent, what's true is true. Her status as trans is explicitly addressed by characters e.g. in Street Fighter X Tekken.

>>3248479
I value the original creator's intentions in this case, especially considering how lackluster the last few Street Fighter games have been anyway (especially that Tekken crossover you've mentioned).

If we take everything said by the people currently running the asylum as gospel, you might as well accept Nazi Captain America and the three Jokers as canon.

Which is the most politically incorrect walky punchy and why is it D.J. Boy?

>>3251081
I hate how pussified the west is.

>>3223016
Kudos for Final Fight and Streets of Rage, but how do you NOT have a single Double Dragon game on there!?

>>3251745
/vr/ doesn't appreciate Technos beat-'em-ups as much as they should. I'm guessing it must be a millennial thing, since the first Double Dragon came out on the arcades in the mid 80s, while Double Dragon II and River City Ransom (the company's two most successful beat-'em-ups on console) were for the NES.