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3247175 No.3247175 [Reply] [Original]

Was it really quality over quantity?

>> No.3247179

Of course: Zelda, the other Zelda, the list goes on...

>> No.3247198

No, because taste is subjective, and the more games you have, the more likely it is that some of those will be a particular person's "quality."

>> No.3247248

I hate N64 but its best 3D platformers and party games were marginally superior. That wasn't even close to enough to save it though

>> No.3247257

It was. The only people who think PS1 was superior were FF7 fans, and they don't count as real people anyway.

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3247258

wallnuts peanutS N64 smells Grapes, melons, oranges and i wish i had a PS1 AWW YEAH!

>> No.3247264

>>3247175
>Was it really quality over quantity?

Not really.
/thread

>> No.3247282

If one were given the choice: The entire squaresoft line and the resident evil trilogy for the PlayStation just blows the shit out of reasons to not get a Nintendo 64. I should've listened to my dad as a kid.

The n64 is dogshit. Collected dust.

>> No.3247289

Yes, but the PS1 just obliterated it in both ways. No point of arguing with it, the PS1 is Sony being a master at business in every way possible.

>> No.3247306

>>3247289
>but the PS1 just obliterated it in both ways
Eh. I think a lot of the games on PS1 that are heralded as their best are pretty mediocre in retrospect. PS1 was one of the first consoles to bring fully 3D gameplay into people's homes, so it had a LOT of style over substance.

N64's biggest hits like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are still playable and respectable, maybe minus a few small quibbles, whereas PS1's hits like Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider are clunky, dated messes that can really only be enjoyed with nostalgia goggles on. This is just my opinion, but there you have it. Although I never really liked Crash or Tomb Raider back then, either.

>> No.3247308

>>3247175
Yes, the N64 had higher quality games per game. Unfortunately, that was because Nintendo was anal moreso than anything else. As a result, the lack of quantity made the PS1 better as a whole. It also set both the PS1 and PS2 up to live forever. Terrible play from Nintendo, it took them from a definite, dominant first to arguably last in the long run.

At least they're not Sega.

>> No.3247328

>>3247308
Higher quality per game made N64 the winner for me. I definitely enjoyed my N64 more thoroughly than my PS1. As a kid, I usually owned less than 10 games per system anyway. that works out beautifully for the N64, where those 10 games contained some of my absolute all-time favorites, games that were fucking mind-blowing. I would rather have 1 amazing game than 10 good games, but that's just me.

Unfortunately, that doesn't translate well to sales, since they charge the same amount of money for an amazing game as they do a shit game.

>> No.3247334

No, it was just shit.

>> No.3247348

>>3247175
It was a meme. And the only reason for the N64 catalogue to be so praised is that people took it seriously. That's why all the "best game evers" we heard about in modern media came out in the 5th gen, literally marketing and nostalgia googles.

>> No.3247351

>>3247328
The problem is the PS1 had more quality games too just because it had a way larger quantity.

>> No.3247370 [DELETED] 

>muh mario and zelda and le rare XD

N64 is trash and nintendrones need to fuck off back to /v/

>> No.3247371

>>3247175
I'm a Nintendo fanboy to this day, and it annoys me when people suggest that the N64 was a good console.

It had a few great games, that's it. But its storage medium, difficult dev kit, inability or sheer unwillingness to capitalize on trends (JRPGs, etc) and draconian policies for third party developers was a recipe for disaster.

>> No.3247403

>>3247264
Actually, it was.
>>3247282
>>3247289
>>3247348
>>3247370

I'd rather play the handful of extremely polished and innovative titles on the N64 than all the shovelware that clogged up the Playstation's bloated library

Also, sup Sony viral team, you freaks ever actually get paid?

>> No.3247405

>>3247403
The thing is that you actually get to choose the games you're buying you know

>> No.3247415

>>3247403
A good proportion of the N64 library was shovelware as well.

>> No.3247420

>>3247403
Stop it, anon. It has been two decades, you're old enough now to see through their meme marketing.

>> No.3247424

>>3247371
>sheer unwillingness to capitalize on trends (JRPGs, etc)

And there it is. I've always had a theory that the N64 gets a disproportionate amount of hate on online gaming boards as said boards are usually infested with JRPG freaks that judge absolutely everything by the number of JRPGs.

The N64 not having many RPGs counts as 'absolute garbage' in their books, with the Sega Genesis not far behind in the garbage stakes because it does not have their beloved Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger.

The reality is that in the real world the N64 is more fondly remembered than the PS1 even though it sold fewer units. That just proves how much better the games on the machine have aged.

>> No.3247427

>>3247424
>The reality is that in the real world the N64 is more fondly remembered than the PS1
And you have the data to support this claim?

>> No.3247428

>>3247405
And they're almost all garbage. Such luxury of choice. I guess you'll play anything to justify your shovelware machine though
>>3247415
And yet Nintendo's excellent first and second party titles outshone them utterly
>>3247420
You're one to talk.

I can take these memes all day, children. Wouldn't you be more comfortable spamming wojack on /v/ with the rest of the hobbyless shills?

>> No.3247429

>>3247351
I find them to be about equal, really, in terms of my favorites.

>> No.3247431

>>3247428
>And they're almost all garbage. Such luxury of choice. I guess you'll play anything to justify your shovelware machine though

Come the fuck on, anon. I've never talked such shit about the N64 because none of both consoles deserve that. They are great, you know.

>> No.3247432

>>3247351
Lol

>> No.3247434

>>3247428
>And yet Nintendo's excellent first and second party titles outshone them utterly
Well yeah... That kinda goes without saying...

>> No.3247439

>>3247424
I judge consoles either by amount of 2D arcade games (that's why I love Saturn and Mega Drive) or by amount of JRPGs (SNES and PS1 are winners).
N64 library is strange. It has first-party Nintendo titles (not a fan), some platformers where you collect stuff, and pretty much every game has early 3D graphics.
Maybe there are some N64 games in genres I prefer or with visuals I like, but these games are well hidden.

>> No.3247442

>>3247351
I find the number of games that I would actually consider "must play" is about the same between the two. N64 multiplayer is amazing, though, and that alone made it a must-have system among my friends.

>> No.3247447
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3247447

It has about 40% of my favorite 5th gen games (the other 60% is divided 30% on Saturn and 30% on PS1), so yeah, I guess.

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>>3247428
>And yet Nintendo's excellent first and second party titles outshone them utterly

>> No.3247451

>>3247428
Yes I'm talking. The notion N64 games being somehow more polished and innovative just by being N64 games is just a fallacy. Mario 64 made the first 3D world that was comfortable to control. That's it. The rest wasn't significantly better or worse than the stuff you could play PSX, Saturn, or early Dreamcast, it's a matter of taste.

You can rant and call me a child all what you want, it wouldn't make you any more correct.

>> No.3247458

>>3247403

>polished and innovative

kek. nice nintoddler buzz words. 3d zeldas sure are polished with all their glitches. fuck you nintoddler your games are casual trash

>> No.3247459

>>3247175
More like
>we pissed off so many 3rd party devs that they jumped ship the moment they could

You reap what you sow. Shit, even Playstation was Sony's personal "fuck you" to Nintendo.

>> No.3247461

>>3247458

Not him, but your writing style and insults convinced me that your right, nintendo is t3h suckz0rz! xD

>> No.3247465

>>3247459

Did you know, Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? His body was a vessel that enclosed 7 different oni from 7 different regions in Japan.

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>>3247428
>And yet Nintendo's excellent first and second party titles outshone them utterly

Is this nintenfag serious?

>> No.3247471

>>3247451
>Mario 64 made the first 3D world that was comfortable to control. That's it.
You say that like it's no big deal. The fact that, aside from a few camera issues, Mario 64 is still a great platformer by today's standards is pretty impressive. I don't think there's a single 3D platformer that can be said for on the PS1.

>>3247459
I really don't care how poorly regarded Nintendo was for their attitude towards third parties. They ran a tight ship, and they produced some of the greatest, most timeless games ever. So I think it was worth it.

>> No.3247473

You 5th gen kiddies are cute, as if 5th gen consoles had good shit in them (other than some arcade ports on Saturn)

Number of good N64 games: 3
Number of good Saturn games: 3
Number of good PS1 games: 1

>> No.3247480

>>3247473
>Number of good PS1 games: 1
Please, go ahead.

>> No.3247484

>>3247480

you sony boys sure get triggered easy

I'll give you a hint: it's not any 5th gen FMV-riddled JRPG, that's for sure.

>> No.3247485

>>3247484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhooP1baQQc

>> No.3247493

>>3247484
I like both the N64 and PS1 and didn't own a Saturn, you just made it too easy by only picking one game out of a highly regarded console with a massive library.

>> No.3247495

>>3247485

Nope, that's not it. Keep trying.

>> No.3247497

>>3247471
>I really don't care how poorly regarded Nintendo was for their attitude towards third parties. They ran a tight ship, and they produced some of the greatest, most timeless games ever. So I think it was worth it.

Again, you reap what you sow. Shit worked back in the 80's, but it eventually came back to bite them in the ass. Same with the Wii. It was a massive succes but when they tried to pull the same shit again with WiiU it backfired, because the vast majority of their playerbase moved to smartphones.

>> No.3247498

>>3247493

Yet every time people ask for essential PS1 games, it's always the same games mentioned: MGS, FF VII, the list goes on.

Not too different from N64 fans always mentioning Mario and Zelda.

>> No.3247503

>>3247498
The funny thing is that MGS and FFVII weren't even exclusive to PS1 in the 90s.

>> No.3247505

>>3247495
I'm not even that guy, I just wanted to post my favorite PSX game.

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3247508

>>3247175
>quality
>quantity

It has neither. What "quality" games (I'm talking 3D, since the N64 only had 2 good 2D games, from Treasure, the most overrated developer ever) it had have aged like milk.

Meanwhile, the PS1 has many 3D games that still play great today and don't suffer from the issues that plagued most N64 games, such as poor camera, poor controls, blur-o-vision, and 15 fps gameplay.

>> No.3247512

>>3247508
A GitS game? Is it awful?

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3247513

>>3247508

Dude, I love GitS on PS1, one of my favorite games on the system, but you're bullshitting about the N64.

Also

>Treasure, the most overrated developer ever

That meme already got stale. Not to mention the "aged like milk" meme.

>> No.3247516

>>3247508
Yep, instead the PS suffeed from poor camera, poor controls, awful scaling issues, jaggies out the ass, and eternal loading. All the other shit you said is just your own terrible taste in games and blind fanboyism

>> No.3247518

>>3247497
We're talking about the N64 and PS1, not the garbage state of gaming today

>> No.3247519

>>3247498
You don't expect a large list for essentials though, that's just the cream of the crop. The difference is the N64 has little to offer outside of that essentials list, while the PSX has a load of decent titles to explore catering to a wide range of tastes.

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>>3247508
>such as poor camera, poor controls, blur-o-vision, and 15 fps gameplay.

Meanwhile outside of nostalgia goggles and artificial memories, this is how one of the most graphically advanced PS1 games actually looks.

You're delusional if you think the PS1 didn't technically suffer hard from having 5th generation 3D game.

>> No.3247524

>>3247521

dat fog though

accept it, you're a PS1 fanboy, you're no better than N64 fanboys.

>> No.3247526

>>3247524
I think you've misinterpreted my post. I was criticizing a PS1 fanboy false memories that N64 games were technically flawed while PS1 games were technically perfect.

>> No.3247527

Honestly if anyone thinks the N64 has a better library or was overall a better comsole they're fucking deluded and only retro game for the DAE NOSTALGIA factor. I had an N64 when I was younger and loved it. It has great games. I got a PS1 later and it was mind boggling how forward thinking a lot of the games were. It has a huge library with tons of classics in almost every genre. It may not be on the same graphical level, but that shouldn't be your key factor in evaluating a system.

>> No.3247528

>>3247519

n64 also has a lot of lesser known games that are worth playing, yet people only mention the "cream of the crop" Mario and Zelda.

Also when people ask for "hidden gem PS1 games" it's always the same japan-only adventure or ardtnik games that nobody plays, but hey, their cover art is cool.

>> No.3247530

>>3247527

Both systems are good, people here just like to console war.
N64 was the multiplayer machine, PS1 was the RPG machine.

>> No.3247535

>>3247528
>n64 also has a lot of lesser known games that are worth playing
And the Play station has significantly more.

>> No.3247540

PS1 has more schmups while N64 was mostly kiddy games like mario, so I prefer PS1.

>> No.3247541

>>3247535

That's probably up to each person's subjective tastes, what I'm saying is that despite there being games that are less popular, people always mention the same 10 or so games, for both N64 and PS1.

>> No.3247543

>>3247540

Yeah man, Harmful Park is a great game... and totally not kiddy!

But outside of harmful park, if you like "schmups" you want the Saturn, not the PS1.

>> No.3247607

>>3247526
>while PS1 games were technically perfect.

Nowhere in that post is it stated or implied. You Nintenyearolds sure get desperate when someone criticizes your favorite toy.

>> No.3247612

>>3247513
>That meme already got stale.
How can an opinion be a meme?
>Not to mention the "aged like milk" meme.
Here we go again. Did you get lost on your way to /v/? Here, I'll help you get back.
>>>/v/

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3247617

>>3247612

>How can an opinion be a meme?

Because memes can be opinions, and vice-versa.

>Did you get lost on your way to /v/? Here, I'll help you get back.

/v/ often say /vr/ games "aged like milk" since they're Gen Z fuckers that got started on gaming with PS2.
You're not helping your point.

>> No.3247628

>>3247617
Glibly attributing the word meme to anything is a /v/ move and mark of a child.
Also
>avatarfagging
Yup, you don't belong here.
>>>/v/

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3247631

>>3247628

The whole "Treasure is the most overrated company EVER" is a meme though.

Also, I just posted 2 GITS screenshots, not avatarfagging. Relax, my man.

>> No.3247639

>>3247631
>The whole "Treasure is the most overrated company EVER" is a meme though.
That's your opinion and I respect it.

>posts another unnecessary pic
>"not avatarfagging"

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>>3247639

Last one I promise

>> No.3247647

>>3247643
Bullshit.
Keep 'em coming, please.

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3247657

>crttl f meme
>13 instances

Sure is underageb& the thread.

Or summer.

>> No.3247669

>>3247657
>go to literally any 4chan thread
>ctrl f "meme"
>¿¿¿¿¿

>> No.3247670

>>3247657
>Console war thread
>Expecting anything but underage and summer

>> No.3247672

>>3247306
>crash bandicoot
>clunky
Don't get this honestly, unless you meant the fixed camera

>> No.3247679

>>3247670
Was fine when the board first started. Hiro doing a great job as we all can see.
>>3247669
>¿¿¿¿¿
I don't speak mud runes.

>> No.3247882

>>3247657
>thinking summer is a thing in the age of smartphones

There is no summer anymore. The kids can be here whenever they want now.

>> No.3247893

>>3247175
It was multiplayer over quantity. N64 was shit if you only played single player games or just had no friends.

>> No.3247897

>>3247882
There's a spike in 4chan traffic every summer. At least for the ones that the archives have been around for.

Was funny when Moot said there wasn't and then anons started spamming the archive user base statistics.

Also a spike usually for christmas break.

>> No.3247898

>>3247512
Its actually pretty excellent

>> No.3247912

>>3247607
Not him but:
>the PS1 has many 3D games that still play great today and don't suffer from the issues that plagued most N64 games, such as poor camera, poor controls, blur-o-vision, and 15 fps gameplay.

>don't suffer from the issues that plagued most N64 games

>don't suffer from the issues

>don't suffer

>> No.3247918

>>3247308
At least Sega aren't Atari.

>> No.3247950

>>3247473
I've seen this post before. Nice copypasta.

>> No.3247961

>>3247897
>There's a spike in 4chan traffic every summer.
Nope.

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3248001

>fifth gen consoles

>> No.3248018

>>3247961
https://www.similarweb.com/website/4chan.org#overview

Not sure why you retards bother posting. Tablet generation I guess. Not sure why I ask all the time either when the answer is the same. Probably makes me an idiot.

>> No.3248129

>>3247498
>Yet every time people ask for essential PS1 games, it's always the same games mentioned: MGS, FF VII, the list goes on.
Yes it does go on for like 100 more titles on PS1. You know how many must play games there are on N64? Seven.

>> No.3248140

>>3248129

100 _essential_ PS1 titles? Allow me to doubt that.
PS1 has a lot of titles but the "essential" ones that get mentioned are always the same 10 or so.

No, LSD is not essential, it's just a nice curiosity.

>> No.3248149

>>3248129
>>3248140
No console has more than 5- to maybe 15 "essential" games.

The only way PS1 would maybe have some many "essential" games is if you're a JRPG nut.

>> No.3248158

PS1 has much more must-plays than the N64 for sure
Crash Trilogy
MGS
FF VII
Santa Claus Saves the Earth
Goes on and on

>> No.3248194

>>3248158
>Crash Trilogy

The games are fun but nothing crazy. Even Crash 3 doesn't compare to Mario, Banjo or even Rayman 2

>> No.3248207

>>3248158
That's like three without the memedog trash

>> No.3248497

Was it really true that parents of kids who had only a PS1 were more prone to divorce?

>> No.3248503

>>3248497
No shit it's more

100 million ps1's vs 33 million n64's

>> No.3248545

>>3247498
>Yet every time people ask for essential PS1 games, it's always the same games mentioned
Yeah, why don't we ever talk about NEW old games?

>> No.3249259

Ps1 was miles better, quality and quantity

N64 had only a small handful of great games

>> No.3249281

>>3247175
>the entire ps1 library
versus
>F-Zero X
I don't know which one I'd choose. I could play F-Zero for years.

>> No.3249590

>>3249281
>Ps1 was miles better, quality and quantity
Eh, I initially thought that way. As the years went by however I have come to realize it had at least 5 more good games than the N64 but that's it. Most previous consoles had a lot more to offer than both.

>> No.3250901

>>3247258
His coconut gun can fire in spurts, if you shit talk 64, you're gonna hurt.

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>>3250901
It's bigger, faster, and stronger too, makes the P S 1 look like straight doo doo HUH

>> No.3251492

>>3249259
Nah, PS1 games looked like embarrassing jagged nightmares

Blur filter is just a sony shill meme. N64 games look beautiful on a CRT and some still look great after upscaling. And you can't match the diversity of gameplay offered in the N64's library. PS1 was too bogged down in the past, that's why almost none of those franchises are remembered today. OoT, Majora, Mario 64, Mario Kart, GoldenEye, Banjo - those are the games people remember. PS1 has FFVII and maybe Spyro if you stretch it. There were good games on the system but the library as a whole was a dumping ground for shovelware and samey JRPGs

>> No.3251495

>>3247175
I have grown to have a distaste for most N64 games. Even the acclaimed legends of the system (Mario 64, Ocarina of Time) have aged like five day old oatmeal in the Texas sun. I can go back to many mid-level SNES/Genesis/TG16 games and have a good time but the dozen hours I spent playing Conker's Bad Fur Day on my GF's N64 were generally rotten.

>> No.3252121

>>3251495
I feel the same, but for most 3D 5th gen games in general. Almost all of them have flashy and crude looking 3D that has aged like rotten milk. The equally crappy FMVs didn't help either though I'm aware that the trend stated in the 4th gen.