/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3222727
It's good. GBA one is better.

>>3222727
Don't waste your time, Final Fantasy is overrated trash.

>>3222727
It's good
>>3222740
At least meme on the right game retard, OP is clearly about Tactics Ogre 2

>>3222740

Thanks for your fine contribution to the discussion. Here's the door, don't let it hit you one the way

>>>/out/

>>3222727
Yes and PS1
PS1 has some bad translation errors but PSP dialogue is fancy trash

>>3222734

>Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is better

Sorry man, no.

>>3222727
It's at on par with the best mainline Final Fantasy games but still is decent at best. I wouldn't recommend it but it's not terrible. If you decide to play it, play the PSP version with a patch that fixes the slowdown.

it has similar ff motifs i guess with black mages and shit but it feels more like tactics ogre in tone anyway and its better than any ff ive ever played so ya would recommend

>>3222727
>Is Final Fantasy Tactics worth my time?
Yes! One of the best turn-based tactics games ever made. The game shows up on a lot of all-time best game lists for a reason. Final Fantasy Tactics is amazing, and arguably the best game in the whole franchise.
Try it. Worse that can happen is you don't like it.

>>3222727
>Is Final Fantasy Tactics worth my time?
Yes! One of the best turn-based tactics games ever made. It shows up on a lot of all-time best game lists for a reason. Final Fantasy Tactics is amazing, and arguably the best game in the whole franchise.
Try it. Worse that can happen is you don't like it.

>>3222727
it absolutely is worth your time if you're into tactical RPGs, regardless of how much you may be into Final Fantasy. As >>3222813 says, the PSP version is better on the whole, but you should get the patch.

>>3222734
Never seen a post this wrong before. FFTA is boring as shit.

>>3222734
First post, worst post.

>>3222793
>>3223080
>>3223092
>lel not retro so it's shit! xP

This is my favorite game of all time

Every time i play i am stoked at how powerful a monk->geomancer is, and how every battle can turn and crush you, all the way up though endgame

>>3223209
You can, at least, make female characters pretty much invincible with maxed out Brave, Shirahadori/Blade Grasp, minimal Faith, a Ribbon, and the Chantage (I think that's the one that constantly has Reraise on you?). For extra brokenness, give them an Aegis Shield or Escutcheon II, the latter helping against what few things that Shirahadori doesn't.

And that's why I prefer Agrias and Meliadoul over Orlandeau.

>>3223186

>3223092 here

I didn't say that anyware. True its not retro but it's not shit because of that, it's shit because it pales in comparison to FFT, like kiddy shit. So its shit because it's shit, not strictly because it's not retro, because plenty of non retro games aren't shit and are actually quite good. But not in the case of FFTA, which is shit.

>>3222727

FFT is my favorite game of all time. Over 2000 hours in many maxed out, get everything, level 99 even the trash common characters runs. PS1 has a shoddy translation that is charming in a lot of ways, PSP has a more annoying translation but has more perks like more character slots that make monster breeding easier. It also has a glitch that cause all spells to take 3x longer than they need to, which is really annoying, but you can patch this to fix it.

>>3223295
>>3223075

More info about this patch?

>>3222727
Yep. Try it. It is awesome game with one of the best stories in FF franchise.

Just git gud at mechanics and you will be fine.

>>3223186
Back to /v/ if you're going to post like a retard.

>>3223316
Haven't had to use the patch for a long time, so I'm pretty rusty on it, but I think this guy's got the links to everything in the video's description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVT6ipj1q8E

>>3222727
FFT is maybe the only Final Fantasy where the setting and government and local history and such actually makes sense and fits together cogently.

Like it seems like an actual medieval European country would be in scale and dynamics.

Meanwhile FF7 has a planet with less than like, 500 people, covered with factories and cities and shit built by maybe like 20 engineers and carpenters out of the lot.

Like in the entirety of FF7 does anyone ever mention any corporation other than Shinra? They're just automatically the only company that exists in a world that barely has the concept of a company in the first place

it's just nonsense

PS1 version with the PSP text,
http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=ctdtvp9j480dokcg33p4vf0gu7&topic=3659.0


the PSP version is zoomed in

>>3222727
I like both versions but my favorite is the PSP one. If you fap to old literature like me and can tolerate the mistakes I'd say go for it.

Also, Agrias best girl and waifu.

>>3223513

>>3223513
I mean, Shinra being the only major corporation is a plot point, but generally I would call those types of details 'abstracted out' in FF7's case. FFT is definitely refreshing to see that stuff elaborated.

>>3222727
If you can stand the horrible grinding that it's good,if you can not than don't bother and go play Shining Force 2,Vandal Hearts 1 or Banner Saga.

The real question, OP, is how much your time is worth to you? Are you prepare to fight a sequence of hundreds of battles that each take, at MINIMUM, 15 minutes each? No matter how minor or inconsequential the battle? I wasn't, and that's why I hate FFT.

>>3224486
15 minutes? Yikes man, I can clear most fights in like 5.
I understand where you're coming from, but for me that was an enjoyable aspect of the game.

As for OP, it's my favorite game of all time. Very fun, and when you find it easy, the 1.3mod revives the challenge.

everyone learns teleport. Two Ninjas, Two lancers, one calculator with black wizard skills

The original PS1 version was HARD MODE, however, I believe that it was one of the most influential games I ever played. Good game play - even if it had - no forgiveness - and the story and characters were absolutely unforgettable. The end of the game will rock-your-socks-off, though like history its a bit sad/depressing what happens. Additionally, the PSP has amazing cut-scenes and the translation errors of the original have been fixed...I'd go more for that one if this is your first time through :)

>>3225571
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Teleport is overrated; there have literally been times when I've failed to move to an adjacent square with it. As for classes, all you need is a team of White Mages with Calculator skills (since they happen to be much faster than Calculators, and have better magic power), equip them with Holy-absorbing gear, and spam Holy. You clear the field in one round, especially if you give them other gear that ups their MA.

>>3225712
I thought that they upped the difficulty in the War of the Lions version? It might just be because of how broken Dark Knights are that the game becomes easier.

>>3222727
It's shit, but if you like grinding endlessly you'll love it. Great soundtrack though. If you must play it play the PSP version. The GBA sequel is even worse, they took the interesting setting and characters and threw it in the garbage and replaced it with bright candy colours and anime children with spikey hair having fun snowball fights.

>>3223186

No it's just fucking bullshit. Fuck the stupid schoolkid story, fuck the judges, fuck the cutsypie graphics and more importantly fuck you.

>>>/out/

I'd like to post a bit of my FFT if that's perfectly acceptable.

>>3226230
Go ahead.

Legitimately my facorite videogame of all time.

PSP and PSX versions both have their merits, but on the whole I'd say PSP version is better because the PSX translation goes to shit in places

FFT is good but Vandal Hearts is better

I just checked for Final Fantasy fan-translations on RHDN and FFT is conspicuous by its absence. Maybe one day someone will fix the PS1 translation with the required touch ups here and there.

>>3226230
>>3226294
I think you need to spend more time visualizing what your poses would look like in reality and how it would feel if you moved your body like that

1st step: Obtain a fft iso, psp or ps1 and play it
2nd step: discover ffhacktics dot com
3rd step: ???
profit

>>3222734
You should be banned for that comment imo

>>3225820

Neat method bruh i never tried it. I only ever had two calcs at one time and generally just blitzed everyone with black magic skills and mediator/oracle moves. I'll try that loadout on this round, i've also been meaning to try combining high level archery with everything else, to see if i can make some sort of super-sniper

>>3227507

>>3225820
I though teleport only could fail when it was outside of your normal move range? Like it is a 10% decrease for success of each square beyond your normal movement.
>>3225712
I don't know why people say the game is hard or >>3225835 grindy. The game is pretty reasonable on all fronts. As for the grindy complaint, maybe you just don't like these types of games? Do you just expect all the skills of every job to just be handed to you? I mean, you can't call a game "shit" because it doesn't fit your taste.

>>3224219
>PS1 version with the PSP text,
is there the reverse

I just got a used PSP, and I blindly bought FFT, because I just wanted one FF game for the machine. Oh, boy, I didn't know what a treat I was in for.

Sadly, I suck so much. On early stages, when I got stuck, I figured out after a while that I would need more DPS or more healing, so I just went back and farmed some XP. However on later lvls, when I have a shit ton of classes to choose from, I'm kinda lost to what to choose or how to solve the issue.

Now I'm stuck on the stage, where Ramza has to fight alone while the rest of the group tries to defend themselves at the gate. What would be the perfect set up for this match? What would be a good class for Ramza in general? Also: where can I get a weapon for the lancer? Or is it too early to have a lancer in general at this part?

As for the game: I think the story is over complicated. It is good and simple in the core, the conflicts of the characters are interesting, but it is told in such an odd way that it becomes pretty hard to follow. With all the long ass back story about the war and so. Another thing I don't like is the music. It has some good and memorable pieces, but it is kinda bland and forgettable in general. Since the PS era I think the Japanese composers has lost their ways. Every SNES j-game has a memorable soundtrack, yet when they had the resources to compose tracks for a full orchestra, everything has just become dull. They are over dramatic without any catchy or memorable (or meaningful) tune.

>>3228036
>not liking Hitoshi Sakimoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgRCPY5bvcs

kill yourself

>>3227682
To be honest, I'm probably remembering something wrong, I haven't bothered with Teleport for a very long time, especially on WotL, since I can just make a bunch of Dark Knights with a move speed of 7, which is almost definitely enough to reach almost any point in a field with, and do so reliably. Teleport is infinitely better if you have an emulator and are okay with being a bit of a cheat (the only time I ever was as such was when I was stealing Elmdore's Genji equipment and Masamune, because fuck that guy), but there are just times when simplicity is better.

>>3228036

Are you talking about the match where you fight Gafgarian, with Ramza while the rest of your party dukes it outside the gate? Go monk, ninja, or samurai with Ramza he gets badass. Also, if you grind some points and give him abilities in time mage he can become really good at that point. Honestly if it's the fight I'm thinking you just need to bumrush Gaf and hit him hard.

>>3228036

Also, nah man. FFT has some of the best battle music of any game. Chill and listen to the themes on headphones sometime, they're pretty damn good.

>>3228036
For Wiegraf, just be a Squire, equip yourself with some strong gear (I usually went and dual-wielded Defenders at this point, if I'm remembering right), spam Tailwind while running away until your Speed is so high that you're getting about three turns for each of his, and then do Focus over and over again, until you think you have a high enough PA to kill him in two shots. You keep the Speed and PA in the next phase of the battle, and so Ramza should be able to make chunky salsa of him then before he gets one turn.

>>3228146
Unlikely you had Defenders as the earliest you can get them is Chapter 4 from Meliadoul unless you had extremely good luck poaching monsters.

>>3228146
Wait, dammit, wasn't reading it all the way. Yeah, do what the other anons here are saying about that fight with Gaff.

I played dirty and went into that fight with a Red Chocobo, who just Choco Meteor'd everything to death, Gaff included.

>>3228147
I did an unfair amount of poaching, yes.

>>3228138
Yes, I'm talking about that one. I have him as a monk, but he does not feel that strong. The boss always heals himself, and it feels like I should kill him with two shots. I try to slow him with time magics, but in the end it looks like a bad trade, like I've just missed a turn when I could just attack. The guides I read suggest to have the party rubber boots, but they do not seem to be so effective.

>>3228148
That sounds good. One thing I adore about the game is the many options and spells you have. Many of them seems to be useless, but they could be fun. For example I like to have an orator in my group when grinding just to see if I can recruit anyone. My dream team would include only summoners who would ifrit everyone to death.

I think I'll experiment more with various set ups. Thanks for the heads up, anons!

>>3228143
Will do. Maybe I'll appreciate them over some time.

>>3227682
If I shit between two pieces of bread and you don't like it, does that mean you don't like sandwiches? Or is it just not to your taste?

I Play it on my tablet.

>>3228171
It means you're a barbarian with zero manners and you should stop using the internet altogether.

>>3228147
Also, there is admittedly some shenanigans you can do in Chapter 2 to get Gaff to use Throw and he'll chuck shit like Defenders, Chirijiradens, Excaliburs, and even Chaos Blades at you when you fight him at Zeirchele Falls for your party to catch with Sticky Fingers, but the amount of patience it drains from you is stupidly extreme. Do this only if you're batshit insane. On the upside, his levels reset when you fight him later.

Is it just me or is this game well balanced as fuck?

>>3228270

>Team of Mimes with a Ninja/Calculator dropping CT5Holy at the start of the battle while wearing Holy-absorbing armor

HAHAHAHAHAHA

no. No, nothing about this game is well-balanced. It breaks if you so much as look at it.

God how I love it.

>>3228270
>Talking about balance in a single player game.
Why?

>>3228284
>not talking about balance in a single player game
Why not?

>>3228336
Balance means equality in terms of power. Balance is an issue in PvP games, since every player must have the chance to win. Hence chess is an almost perfectly balanced game, since both player starts with the same units (the only inequality issue is the start), while an MMO RPG is the hardest to balance since every class differs from the rest, but they have to be vailable in some way or an other.

In single player game your opponent is the computer and the challange is artificial. It won't cry if you find a way to one shot its whole army. Moreover, since it's a single player game, your basic task is to find ways like that to solve the artificial puzzles presented to you, hence "breaking the game", finding loopholes or unintended mechanics is part of the experience.

Besides: balancing requires at least two things. In a single player game, what do you want to balance with what?

>>3228358
Because in a game like this balance means the creating a challenging and rewarding system that gives the player enough reason to always actively think of their next move throughout the entire span of the game without feeling cheated by the computer. FFT manages to remain a fair challenge because of the many ways it allows you to assign your team and take advantage of the board, while also giving the computer the same highground if you fail to take advantage. The odds of success feel balanced between yourself and the computer. Pulling through in seemingly insurmountable always feels a chain of events away. That is what makes FFT such a rewarding game.

dat ass

>>3222727
>Is it worth it if I've never been interested in any of the mainline Final Fantasy games?
It's a tactical RPG.

I'd advise you to buy Tactics Ogre.

>>3226230
>>3226294
>>3226430
>>3226456
>>3227638
Cool stuff, bro. You got a deviantART account, or a Tumblr?

>>3230265
Yeah mate! http://scribblehatch.tumblr.com/

>>3222734
>this
don't listen to the other guys, FFT is a great game but funs got butthurt when FFTA came out because is really an improvement on the first game, for instance FFT has some painful loading screens, really slow dialog and gameplay and is overall really dull, story is great but FFTA really touched some deep themes and is really faster, you can enjoy both for what they are, but FFTA is a lot more fun and has the best story

>>3230378
FFTA is also absent of any challenge whatsoever

>>3230339
I'm in love. Thank you for sharing!

>>3230339

Wow love it man!

>>3230686
>>3230687
don't be gay guys it's not going to make him a better artist

artists need criticism and suffering to thrive

>>3230378
>FFTA came out because is really an improvement on the first game
Counterpoint. This mechanic was a crock of shit that added unwarranted complexity.

>>3222727
I don't like any of the mainline FF games either but I did enjoy FFT. Give it a try.

>>3222727
FF spinoffs tend to be a lot better than the main series.

>>3230339
>http://scribblehatch.tumblr.com/
>is on that like stink on shit

>>3230730
As an artist, I can attest to this being true. I actually come to 4chan specifically for concrit, because when I actually get some, it's brutally honest, and I don't think I've ever truly felt insulted by it; the closest to that is getting shitposts like "lel your art sucks donkey balls now go kill yourself fartfag" and such, but that's something you already know is just them blowing smoke out their ass. /u/ has been especially good about that kinda thing, as have a few on /co/ (I do way too much Steven Universe fanart to be healthy). Enough about me, though.

Really digging the use you make of all different kinds of texture on your later stuff there, Scribble. I could honestly see that stuff as being official game art, especially for some light-hearted RPGs. A pretty good medium for practicing with that would probably be watercolors, if you have something on your computer that can replicate that well enough. If there's anything to complain about, it's that on stuff like your Monk picture, the part where light hits his clothes seems a bit more like negative space than light reflection.

>>3230774
Yeah, fuck those guys. I forget whether you can kill them or not.

>>3230939
>Yeah, fuck those guys. I forget whether you can kill them or not.
I'm almost totally certain, at least in FFTA2, you can both fight Judges and Recruit them

and if not that, you can definitely get black market cards and stuff to undermine basically everything they do and turn it to your advantage instead

>>3230967
You're constantly running out of card inventory space. You get new cards every battle and that means throwing cards away every battle.

It fucking sucks.

>>3231703
I'd hate to see your wallet irl

>>3231703
>>3231981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEmQNd6wMA

>>3222727
>Also, PS1 or PSP version?
Both are ok but don't use the mobile version. You need a controler.

>>3230378
Why wouldn't you just emulate FFT? The loading screens just zip by like nothing. FFTA was FFT for downies.

>>3228148
>>3228138
Ah, yess, finally! After countless attempts, even with Chakra it took a good amount of tries to beat him. Thank you for the help!

Now I just have to figure out how to beat the abomination.

Since the fight at the fight at the Golgollada Gallows every fight seems to be a struggle. Is the game really this hard (which is perfectly fine), or am I this bad at it? I have Ramza as a monk, two black mages, one chemist for my team, and I always switch who takes the last spot (an archer, Mustadio or the blonde knight). For secondary jobs I usually take time magics or items, sometimes steal for charming. The guides I read tells me I do not need to grind to complete the main story, yet I always find myself at the plains hunting for more JP for some expensive spells or to get a new job.

>>3233962
>Since the fight at the fight at the Golgollada Gallows every fight seems to be a struggle. Is the game really this hard (which is perfectly fine), or am I this bad at it?
The latter, which is OK because it's a game where you either struggle or just breeze through once you know what the good options are.

Execution Site (I guess it's called Gallows in the PSP version) is one of the comparatively tougher battles in the game though and Lionel Castle Gate isn't that much of a slouch though you can make it easier on yourself by equipping Rubber Shoes IIRC (because the enemies usually spawn with Coral Swords and Lightning Bow).

Archers and Mustadio are bad, the latter is needed to unlock several sidequests in the end-game so don't ditch him though.

>>3233962
>>3234132
If you feel up to it, you can also try to have a Thief (or someone else who can nab shit) steal Gaff's sword in that fight, which both cripples him offensively and also gets you a Blood Sword. It's actually pretty damn useful at this point (just don't whack any undead baddies with it, it'll heal them and damage you). I usually fight dirty on this one again and stomp the enemy Archers and Time Mages (I think that's what units stand on top of the arch or whatever in that fight?) with the Red Chocobo. Choco Meteor is just so fucking broken, I swear.

If you wanna get one, nab yourself a Black Chocobo (either have Boco lay eggs, or catch one yourself), since they have the highest chance of laying a Red Chocobo's egg. Don't try to get one by using Invite in-battle, they will fuck you up really bad if you don't kill them quickly.

I think from then on I ditched the Red Chocobo, though, mostly because I did some grinding with Agrias and got her Shirahadori, and had a couple Mediators keep pumping her Brave up to 97. After that, she pretty much became invincible.

Speaking of which, you really ought to get just about everyone in your party to learn at least a few of the abilities from the Samurai job. They have what is pretty much the very best skillset in the game, but they're not exactly the best class out there for it. Putting their Iaido command on a Black Mage, for example, leads to an entire battlefield of wrecked faces.

What's more balanced, this Game or FE?

>>3234775
Fire Emblem

>>3234775
Which FE?

Still, FFT is terribly balanced - everything is mostly viable only because the enemy tends to be underequipped both in equipment and skills learned

FFT is an all around better game, but FFTA is a lot easier and maybe a bit better for newcomers

Ninjas with monk skills...too good

>>3239075
When something is that good it definitely qualifies as broken.

All the game's hardest fights are basically aced by ninjas with martial arts. It's ridiculous.

>>3226334

Vandal Hearts is certainly good but I'm going to say it's a stretch to call it better than tactics. Tactics is longer, has more classes, and just more content in general. I will say I really love it when dudes die in Vandal Hearts though.

>>3230378

>FFTA

Get good casual.

>>3228167

Well you probably already beat him by now, but you want to get dual weapons from Ninja for Ramza and literally just go wild. If you go samurai, you can also use the 2 handed skill, but honestly I don't think it's as good as just using 2 weapons. Also with Ramza, don't bother casting Slow on anyone, just hit ramza with that haste and go wild.

You don't want monk to be Ramza's main class, as soon as you master it, start something else. Also, learn yell and ultima in Squire.

>>3239324
Hell, even if the Ninjas are female, they still wreck everything that can be hit physically. One of the only other combinations I've seen that can rival them in damage output is a Black Mage with Iaido. Dark Knights with Dual Wield and Vehemence are also amazeballs with damage (I think they have the highest PA growth of all the classes, except maybe the MIme), but they're squishy as fuck for a knight.

>>3228036

A lot of good responses, but a quicker way than going around poaching, is to get Two Swords ability for Ramza and make his job a Knight. He will fuck shit up against Gaff.

>>3239953
Hella overkill dude, just get Auto-Potion or something.

>>3222727
Hate psp version and that english. Maybe because I am used to the original. I didn't like their voices, because I imagined voices for everybody in my autistic way of playing. It's your first try, maybe you like more the psp version. I prefer the ps1 version though.

>>3240089

You're not alone dude, I feel the exact same way. Something about the way the text comes off in the PSP version just flat out bugs me. Still an excellent game though.

Is there a patch that has the dialog of the PSP version for the PSX ISO?

>>3238950
this guy looks like such a fucking twat jesus christ I want to punch him

>>3241976
Okay found the patch, (or what I think is the patch, FFT Complete), what ISO is the correct one to apply it to?
Anyone have a link?

>>3241982
Well that's oracles for you.

I remember there was a knight NPC with a pink dragon wife.

>>3224219
Which region/version is this for?

>>3242438
Ya then she turns into a human with tits.

>>3230378
>for instance FFT has some painful loading screens, really slow dialog and gameplay and is overall really dull

Someone played the PSP version.
That someone should not have played the PSP version.
Instead, that someone should have hacked the PS1 version of the game with the PSP translations.
That way, that someone is playing the non slowed down version of the game with all of the glorious language.

>>3239953
>a quicker way than going around poaching, is to get Two Swords ability for Ramza and make his job a Knight
Your "quicker" path is to get Ramza to an Squire 2 / Archer 3 / Thief 4 / Knight 2 / Monk 3 / Geomancer 2 (all 1 higher on the PSP) version and then obtain a 900pt ability in Ninja?

>>3242660
>Instead, that someone should have hacked the PS1 version of the game with the PSP translations.
Can you help me out with patching the PSX version? What region do I patch? Do I need to patch a certain ISO? What if I can only find a bin/cue?

>>3241982
What >>3242254 said. Oracles can be some of the biggest problem-causers you face because of the sheer amount of status effects they throw your way.

>>3242438
That was Beowulf. Funnily enough, he's what would happen if an Oracle figured out how to cast spells through a sword, and thereby makes any and all other Oracles you may have on your team irrelevant.

>>3242631
Probably the biggest tits in the game. No wonder he got married to her.

>>3229353
Ireland pls go

>>3242684
Yeah why not just make him a ninja with Break Arts.

I mean Battle Skill.

>>3243095
turn of your tripcode you worthless piece of shit

>>3242731
The PSP translation patch isn't finished anyway, grab this and just use an XDelta patcher: http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2774/

PSP translation is just as bad as PSX on many counts anyway.

>>3243505
>PSP translation is just as bad as PSX on many counts anyway.
Yeah but it takes a lot of looking to find out why. All of those stupid hamfisted references to newer games in the equipment, when the one good reference we should've known for FFIX was thrown in the garbage. Did they really need to stretch that far to make it look like FFT was related in any way to the other Ivalice games?

Not to mention that fakeass Elizabethan era crap that sounds worse than SNES Chrono Trigger's Frog. I get they were trying to do but it still doesn't fit.

>>3222734
Advance isn't as bad as people say, but it's still a hell of a lot worse than FFT. At least it had all sorts of things to do between shitty plot moments, though encounters are easily won so it makes almost everything good in the game moot.

I'd like to see more hacks of this one. I know there's scaled enemy levels available, but it would be neat to see equipment have better scaling too.

>>3222727
I never gave a rat's fuck for FF games and this is my favorite game of all time, so I'm pretty sure one thing has nothing to do with each other. This game is the very definition of serious gaming.

>>3222727
Look, 4chan is a place for retards with an ego. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of them. So don's listen to anything here, just get the PSX version since it is the original, play it and have fun. Only please do one thing, if it's the last advice you'll ever accept: pay attention to this game. It's a work of art, it's one of those things that happen only once in a while in the history of humanity. Don't just play it; PLAY it. Let it get all over you, let it sink. Hug it, kiss it, lick it and let it cum all over you. This game will make you its bitch and you'll love it.

>>3222727
>>3244101
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the Mona Lisa, but I do agree that you should just screw everyone and grab the PSX version. FFT isn't one of those games that needs more extras anyway, and the PSP stuff is mostly multiplayer and tie-ins you won't give a fuck about.

You really won't need the name fix patch because you won't care about stuff like fixed reference points, but it does make a lot of abilities better at telling you what they do at a glance. It's worth something.

>>3243505
It says its finished m8, who's lying now, you or the translation dude?

>>3245624
Check out the FFHacktics place on it. No one actually said it was 100% finished, and the guy who made it admits the sound novels don't work right.

Also older tools were used leading to some text bugs that are fixable now.

bump

>>3246401
Those sound novels are really strange from the outset

It's a mystery as to why they were included on the disc in the first place, as obviously they were written and programmed as some sort of experiment or practice or hypothetical project that the members were involved in, but there's no framework for actually playing them as a game, for actually executing them as a program, it's just the raw data without the architecture to execute it all as real instructions.

It is the fucking coolest kind of time capsule.

There's also an android ver. I tried it so i could just see what the onion/special mission items did. Passable version tbvh. Controls sucked

>>3225820
All you need is a Knight dual wielding runic blades, reflect mail and using draw out, blade grasp and move+3 and you have an invincible unit.

>>3248730
You could play (or is it read?) them in the Japanese version, I think.

>>3249446
nope

>>3225820
Quit tripfagging. Also, your game-breaking holy spam is boring as fuck. Why would you want to remove all the tactical choices from a game about making tactical choices? What a fucking douche.

>>3248801
Android is the worst one. No really. They "fixed" the slowdown by speeding up animation which fucks up the sound, and it's been crashing all over the place for way too many devices.

Cherry on the shit sundae: it was never updated with any bugfixes.

>>3249959
Yeah that guy's being a faggot.

The game is more about knowing "whats good" than actual strategy though, which is unfortunately one of the side effects of a strategy "RPG". When there are RPG elements usually strategy elements get severely downplayed.

If you want a basically completely safe setup, that you can get through every encounter in the game with:

>Ninja
>Item
>Auto-Potion
>Throw Item (or really anything, support doesn't matter so much)
>Move+1/2/3

That's easily enough to take out the game. I think the only reason FFT is hard, and people make it harder on themselves when they do this is when you start going

>I wanna learn X skill

So you keep Gained JP UP, and Basic Skill on the entire game so you can use accumulate then you end up in positions were a guy dies and you gotta end the battle before they crystal.

I don't even consider the JP glitch cheating anymore.

>>3237258

I want to fug Ramza.

>>3250081

>>3250081
I'd like to put some Salty Rage on that.

>>3224252

Why is she so perfect?

>>3250081
Bane?

>>3250081
I'm not gay but me too.

>>3250287
More like irrelevant to the plot.

>>3250307
Most characters suffer that fate after they join you. But unlike most of them, she's actually worth keeping in your battle party.

>>3250315
>Most characters suffer that fate after they join you
Mostly because every single character except Ramza is optional.

>>3250304

>>3250335
He looks like Zero in the GBA games.

I'm okay with this.

>>3250263
>pic related

>>3228150
You should quit tripfagging. It's not relevant to this thread at all.

>>3233962
Life Drain (an oracle/mystic ability) drains 1/4 of any target's current health. It's really useful against the Lucavi. The Lich summon is dark elemental, and will one-shot many of the Lucavi as well.

>>3223513

>Meanwhile FF7 has a planet with less than like, 500 people, covered with factories and cities and shit built by maybe like 20 engineers and carpenters out of the lot

Whoa dude, and like you're the size of cities when you're on the world and when you step on them you turn totally small!

Pro-tip, don't try to make arguments based off of gameplay conveniences. The vast majority of games aren't made to scale and have to make concessions to make the overall experience more enjoyable.

>>3242660
Just use the slowdown fix patch on the psp version.

>>3233962

The game is pretty tough in the beginning since your options are limited, but by chapter 2 it should be much more reasonable. It becomes babby mode when you get a certain unique unit.

>>3252503
Haha fuck off you miserable pleb

there are plenty of games that incorporate that kind of shit into the narrative or portray the game in such a way that what you see is only a part of the world rather than some shit where the entire city is only 50 square meters

>>3252524
>there are plenty of games that incorporate that kind of shit into the narrative or portray the game in such a way that what you see is only a part of the world rather than some shit where the entire city is only 50 square meters

No shit sherlock, but the vast majority of games don't because they're not supposed to be taken at face value. You're not saying anything new or clever, you're just making basic observations that every kid and their grandma has noted since the beginning of time.

>dude why are they taking turns when fighting?
>dude why do they teleport when fighting random enemies?
>dude why can only x amount of people join in a battle?
>dude why does a squirrel drop gold and a sword when you kill it?

This is essentially what you're saying.

>>3252559
I'm not making observations; I'm criticizing them for not doing a good enough job.

>>3222870
its the best in the franchise on original ps1 and if you play it through enough times you can move on to lesser but still fun ivalice games and tactics ogre

also fun fact this is the best type of emulator game because it doesnt need to be buttery smooth

im playing fft-advanced on wiiu right now

>>3228270
All of the main series FF games are absolutely piss easy mindless shite so yeah, compared to the other FF games it certainly is well balanced.

How useful is the Calculator job? and do you think I could use it if i'm dumb?

>>3257237
The job itself is really shit, it's the skillset that's stupidly OP.

If you're dumb, all you need to do is to get CT 5 Holy, wear Chameleon Robes on all your party members and you'll win most battles in one round.

>>3252579
All games have limitations, even Tactics. This game doesn't have towns or cities at all and the world map consists of dots you have to click to get around. Also the battles are usually about 5 to a side and take place in areas the same size as my back yard.

>>3250036
Advance 2 was great though.

And then Square stopped caring about FFT games and they're never ever ever going to make another one.

>>3257685
It's so weird, too.

They were a successful series of games that no one (worth their salt) strongly disliked.

And this is the thing they don't milk?

I mean... what?

FFT is a really fun game but like FF6 its even more fun to completely break and abuse. Hell, FFT gives you so many ways to break the game's difficulty and if you don't give a shit at all it eventually throws units like Mustadio and T.G. Cid at you.

I wish someone would create a hack of the psx version with the extra characters, side quests and job classes from the psp game while keeping the funny spell quotes and translation in.
>>3257718
Probably for the best. I don't even think Matsuno is with Square anymore. Do you really want a modern FFT? Look at what they did to Fire Emblem, full of memes and shipping faggotry.

Let FFT rest in piece with one excellent game, a not as good, flawed but not bad portable sequel and a DS game I never played that was probably passable.

I wish Final Fantasy would just rest in peace really. FF15 looks like dude bro anime Skyrim.

>>3257749
A sequel wouldn't have the same flavour or atmosphere as one of Matsuno's games but the mechanics would probably be fine.

>died in the first mission
Holy shit, I want to blame bad rolls but I think I just genuinely turned into DSP for a minute there. I swear it's usually completely trivial, what the fuck?

>>3257749
>a DS game I never played that was probably passable

FFTA2 was pretty damn good. Way better than FFTA1.

>>3257749
>Fire Emblem
Doesn't Intelligent Systems of Nintendo make the Fire Emblem games?

>>3230378
Unlike most people on this board who get their panties twisted when someone dares to say a non-retro game in a series is good, I actually agree that FFTA is a very good, if easy, game. That said, it isn't better than FFT.

Furthermore,
>has the best story

The story of FFTA was stupid and by far the worst aspect of the game. "Deep themes"?

>y-you mean your hair isn't really pink? A BLOO BLOO

>>3258328
Throw stone, chemist, git gud

Amazing game OP

did anyone else get into tactics ogre?
I've replayed Knight of Lodis at least 20 times. It's what Tactics Advance should have been

Am I the only who really liked the story? It seemed real and tangible, and I found myself invested in the characters.

After playing for a while I'd do my daily real life stuff and catch myself thinking "damn I want to punch Delita in the face..." Losing a character and having to watch them turn into a chest was heart-breaking.

Remember that sfx when someone gets grabbed by the throat? The off screen scream when someone was "delt with"?

Good times.

(advance was garbage in comparison)

>>3262049
Albinism isn't really a laughing matter, especially in countries where it's very noticeable due to a lack of white people. Susceptibility to skin cancer and poor eyesight aside, the social downsides due to ignorance and persecution can cause someone a lot of grief.

Source: I'm a halfro who suffers from albinism, and it apparently caused a divorce until my dad was educated on the subject and he came crawling back.

>>3266246
>"damn I want to punch Delita in the face..."
Delita did literally nothing wrong his entire life.

>>3266262
He didn't join the party.

>>3266262

everything he did and said pissed me off.

I hate that low-born ass-hat.

>>3266437
Delita was the only one outside of Ramza's party who was man enough to oppose the politics of the entire country and win. He waded through an ocean of corruption and did literally everything that was necessary to come out on top. He never sacrificed his ideals, he never let others tread upon him, he manipulated and abused all the power abusers for the sake of the common people and revolutionized Ivalice forever. He literally did everything in his power to destroy the caste system and create instead a society of equality and freedom.

Delita is a pure embodiment of ruthless justice, and you on the other hand are a worthless cuckold without a shred of dignity, because you don't even know what sacrifices you make to hold onto the worthless position society has given to you. You can do nothing to change your lot in life, and you don't want, to, because you're completely content to tongue your oppressor's asshole if it means you can sit comfortably in your cave bitching and moaning on the internet.

>>3266506
That post went from quality to utter tripe startlingly fast.

>>3266508
sort of like your mom

>>3266506
is that 2nd paragraph a copypasta? it's pretty epic and dank.

>>3267364
naw man I'm just dropping memes on autopilot and that dude was a shitter

you can be the first to pasta it

it's all yours my friend :^)

>>3250036
Why does that art style look so familiar

Agreeing with >>3222784. In spite of the occasional translation error, the dialogue is much more conversational and natural in the PS1 game. The remake went way overboard with making everyone talk Ye Olde style and it makes all the conversation come off as stilted and all the characters resemble each other too much.

>>3272425
The psx version is perfect. I wasn't really properly fluent in english when I played it in the late 90s so I just substituted everything I didnt understand with "ok, this is too complicated for me but I will try and understand what they are prattling on about due to context" and it made the story feel even larger in scope.
Turns out some parts of the translation are even incoherent or weird to native speakers.

>>3272456
there's a surprising amount of double-talk and veiled meanings in the things the characters say to each other, and one can conjecture that the characters talk strangely as a result of being in the midst of an enormous conspiracy where the wrong person hearing the wrong words might mean the death of your side

FFT is Tactics Ogre 2 in everything but name.

So if you liked Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre you'll like FFT.

FFTA is also really good, but it suffers from the same imbalances as FFT, mainly stuff just takes too long to learn.

>>3266257
>special snowflake/give me pity points: the post

>>3272579
tbqh if there's anyone that deserves to be compared to something white and fragile that gets destroyed in the sun, it's probably albinos