/vr/ - Retro Games

DOOM 4 THREAD
>>>/vg/142454158

second for Vanquish

>>3223432
That's not over 255. Other M's max is 80, Prime Hunters' max is 95, Super Metroid's max is 230, Fusion and Zero Mission's are 250, while Metroid 1, 2, Prime 2, and Prime 3 all cap at 255. (the highest 8-bit number)

Dreadnought just doesn't care and keeps going.

>>3223458
Thanks for putting information in the OP!

>>3223458
Yay, old OP has returned

>>3223484
no, he hasn't

there's no followup news post and no witty title for the thread

we've been abandoned by the real OP because a usurper has seen fit to elect himself as the new OP

Do NOT respond. Report, filter and ignore.

>>3223475
Looks sexy af, what's this?

>>3223562
Unreal On Ice

>>3223562
UT4 alpha

>>3223497
At least we got the proper copypasta back instead of some fag who thinks it's so cool how he doesn't care about quality or organization.

Project Brutality
Yay or nay?

>>3223658
If you want Brutal Doom with added stuff, go ahead.

>>3223475
Nice retro :'^)

>>3223658
Yay

>>3223667
Going by this logic we should only talk about the vanilla doom exe's because any mods or new maps cease to be retro.

>>3223672
It's more that I'm mildly annoyed because nuDoom has been effectively banned here now whilst this is just tolerated.

>>3223672
Gee guess I can post this here since we've agreed on dropping the "Retro" from our thread, making it the FPS thread. Thanks guys!

>>3223658
It's a fun way to waste couple hours

Then you'll probably never play it again

>>3223658
Yay.
Better weapons than edgy doom + dynamic processing.

Any anon here up for some DM?

>>3223658

Nay.

It's Brutal Doom with a bunch of randomizers and bloat thrown on top.

>>3223525
Those news posts were one of the main reasons I always checked Doom threads. /vr/ ended up being one of the best places to go to find announcements at a glance. Somebody should pick up the torch.

>>3223658
Yay. The new enemies are fun. Try it with Maps of Chaos.
I'm currently running through Equinox with it, at the suggestion of an anon in the last thread. It's not as good as MoC, but still worth a playthrough.

>>3223756
Me too. Doom OP is best OP. The news is where I always end up getting a lot of my wads from. The extra effort was always appreciated but in hindsight I took it for granted.

Come & Get your asses kicked
Greenwar II Deathmatch
109.74.206.218:17092

I want to try rise of the triad but not with DOSBox.

Is there any fixed version for that game so it runs like old dooms with zdoom?

What settings do I need to change in Blood's setup.exe to make the sound work? I've never been good with these DOS game sound setups.

>>3223658
I'm not liking it as much as Brutal Doom. It doesn't feel as visceral and intense. On the other hand the weapons have a more tactical diversity.

Sooo...
Has anyone here played 4's single player yet? I've heard it's supposed to be quite good, way better than the lukewarm multiplayer.

>>3223986

I have and it's really fucking good.

>>3223986
>>>/vg/142580759

>>3223986
>>>/vg/142580759

]it's a 8.5/10 if you can stand upgrades and getting glory kills for health/ammo
I can't

Some dude just made a DOOM discord in the other thread over here:
>>>/vg/142604589

>>3223986
Great 8/10 for me.
Best singleplayer I've played in years.
But then again I thought Shadow Warrio and WolfTNO were boring

>>3223992
>>3223996
>>3224000
>>3224012
S-sorry, I just really wanted to get some opinions straight from /doom/.
I hear /v/ hates it for not being a betrayal they could get an outrage over, apparently a tiny nod to Skyrim was unforgivable.

>>3224016
>/v/ hates it

What a shock

>>3224017
in other news, 1=1

>>3223986
I haven't been so pleasantly surprised in a very, very long time. It was so much fun.
Can't wait for the inevitable sequel. The ending to the game is sequel-bait as fuck.
And I honestly welcome it.

>>3224016

/v/ being a bunch of autistic knee jerking crybabies is nothing new, anon. I mean this in the nicest way but head over to that /vg/ thread that was linked, ask some stuff for Doom 4 there, but I'd say stick around as well for classic doom talk.

that said, I still think what Doom 4 did for the pistol is a brilliant move.

>>3224023
Same actually.
I've beaten the game 3 times and I want more of it.

>>3224016
>/v/ hates it because they can't get outraged over it

Holy fuck this is /v/ in a nutshell

Mein leben!

>>3224039
Schutzstaffel!

>>3224016
Don't worry about it anon, just keeping things nice and tidy in the threads. Just do what >>3224024 suggests and chill.

>>3224034
>Blacksad
Good taste anon

>>3224024
I'm actually well versed in classic, I just wasn't sure if I could trust /vg/s opinion.
Guess I'll have to save for a new laptop regardless (also so I can run GZDoom better).

>>3224046
SPION!

>>3224058
Only the most quality french furfag comics for me.

>>3224034
>>3224058
Sauce?

Is there any way to play something like Trailblazer over another megawad/map pack etc. that already replaces weapons in some way?

Trailblazer is the best weapon mod and that's a fact.

>>3224193
The stuff the dev recently added like gun upgrading and giving the SSG replacement a separate ammo type to not make the other shotgun useless were nice additions. Leveling up the shotguns first is best.

I have a text file with ultra wide settings for doom but I don't know how to use it.

Does anyone use resolution mods for ultra wide.

>>3224216
you should post it so we have an idea as to what you have

>>3224203
I prefer upgrading the assault rifle and the grenade launcher first. The split in ammo between the two shotgun types made each run out of ammo quickly, and upgrading the pump action requires so much parts that I might as well upgrade the minigun instead and save up parts to keep making minigun ammo.

>>3224226
Guess leveling the assault rifle is a good idea. That extra 25%/50% damage plus sniper mode is pretty powerful, even if the assault rifle is super powerful already.

>>3223931
i'm pretty sure one of the wolfenstein ports/tc supports rott

>>3224224

I have this. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=51086

But have no idea how to make it work.

>>3224257
This goes into the source code and is added to GZDoom when it's compiled with this.

If you didn't know this, then compiling it is going to be a very big task for you.

>>3224193
How come?

hey folks
kinda offtopic but im looking for q3 ( either regular or cpma) preinstalled and cracked for a small lan party im organizing at work. Have you seen it uploaded anywhere?

>>3223458
any news so far?

>>3224282
Trailblazer updated.

>>3224193
I hate the twin sawn-offs and that's unforgivable

>>3224229
The assault rifle is great, I use it so much that I had to change the weapon slot of the uzis to 2 so I can select the assault rifle more easily. Ideally, it would be better if I could have the uzis retain their slot and simply increase the slot priority of the assault rifle, but it doesn't seem to be possible with the odd way Trailblazer assigns weapon slots.

>>3224308
Your mother being a cheap whore is not forgivable.

>>3224108
Blacksad

>>3224193
It is something I've always wanted in a game. Being game to shoot guns insanely fast.

And the award for best map 30 midi goes to...
https://u.pomf.is/rsjsqq.mid

>>3223937
You need to make sure the Soundcard, IRQ, and DMA values are set correctly in Blood's setup.

The sound card should be Soundblaster, and the music device can be Soundblaster or Gerneral MIDI. I don't remember how it's set up by default, but the IRQ should be either 5 or 7, and the DMA values should be 1 and 5. If those don't work, look through your DOSBox config to see what they should be.

If you're feeling lazy, I made a launcher for Blood in DOSBox a while back that should include config files that already have sound set up and working.

http://www.moddb.com/games/blood/downloads/ouwb-steam-gog-patch-v10-lite

Just unzip everything into a folder with Blood in it. If you have Steam, just launch normally. If you don't, either run DOSBOX.EXE (which isn't DOSBox, it's a batch script turned EXE that maps mousewheel to keyboard keys and then starts DOSBox; turned to EXE for easy Steam use) or open dosbox-svn.exe and run MENU.BAT. Hasn't been updated in a while because I had a baby and went crazy from life, but it works and adds some neat stuff (options for turning BMOUSE and AUTOAIM on/off by default come to mind, multiplayer menus, etc.)

I have made a MIDI of a cover of one of my favourite childhood video-game tracks.

My intention was to have it feature in REKKR, most likely episode 2 where you return to the capital to find it under attack.

Although I really feel like we need more MIDIs out here, more music to feature in more maps. I always wanted to add to the collective repository of Doom music and make something that can work with anyones imagination. So have at it and feel free to feature in whatever the fuck you want!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mrl1rjc7ubdfhn/DEFENDERS.mid?dl=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXWgTdq0hGA

>>3224368
I just redownloaded this and forgot the DOSBOX.EXE is a shitty one I made with a converter that adds an intro screen. Just run BLOOD.BAT unless you're a Steamfag, in which case just start it and wait the five to ten seconds for the message to disappear.

Is Combined Arms author still lurking the Doom threads? If you are then fuck you faggot about the only good thing about this mod is giving me nostalgia trip after I heard Postal 2 hit sound and Eternal Damnation reload animation which you thought no one would notice you cheeky cunt.

>>3224382
he has become the skeletons

I'm glad that future generations will still know our agitation.

>>3224369
>My intention was
Why the past tense? Its pretty cool-sounding.

>>3224390
Have people already started making slaughterwads in snapmap?

>>3224369
Now I want to try and make a map based on what I think of with that midi.

>>3224369
AoW is a fucking great game. I prefer it even to HoMM3, honestly.

That midi's really nice, although I'm pretty certain zdoom will play the original tracker file without issue.

But you may want the midi jank.

>>3224347
>chromium can't play midi in the browser
what the fuck? i remember firefox being able to do this ten years ago

>>3224393
Oh I mean past-tense in the sense I was figuring out whether or not to hold it until the release of REKKR.

>>3224395
Right on man! Just don't make anything too spooky!

>>3224402
I wanted to make something for all the OPL-heads out there.

Although this work may be a little too layered for that haha.

>>3224390
What map is this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ptiz7sqr1z607q/plasmaBurst.pk3?dl=0

So I've made a little weapon replacement mod focusing on plasma weaponry, as well as having some different ammo mechanics to ordinary Doom. If anyone could give feedback it would be really appreciated.

>>3224369
Nice track!

I've been hearing the fate of atlantis soundtrack in my head while seeing your rekkr screencaps for some reason
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhsPdDvvJyg

>>3224434
Thanks. I'm not REKKR-bro I just wanted to make some music for him and you all.

>>3224390
And now they can even fly!


Revenants were solely designed to ruin fun and that's a fact.

>>3224285
sweet thanks

I realized not long ago that the Metroid Prime is actually the best "incarnation" of the Spider Mastermind.
Hell, it even has a second form, like if the brain part comes out of the Robot parts and starts doing telekinetic shit at you

>>3224480

is it retro, though?

>>3224491

Made by Retro Studios, so yes.

>>3224480

So why all the spoilers for something that's just a normal opinion?

>>3223458

So what are some /vr/ approved WADs or mods?

>>3224503

Because it pertains to a non-retro game.

>>3224503
Doom 4 discussion has been moderated lately because people can't stop screaming and sperging about it.
Some people have come under the mistaken impression that it's covered under the general "not retro" banner, which is incorrect since RotT2013, SW2013, Doom 3, Unreal 4, Serious Sam 1/2/3, Painkiller, Doo Sex, and etc can be talked about perfectly fine.
So to counter this, some people have taken to hiding all of their messages in spoilers, which accomplishes nothing but looks obnoxious.

>>3224503
because dumbasses think if they hide their messages in spoilers it'll be fine to talk about

>>3224506
Going Down is the best WAD

>>3224506
well i just beat plutonia 2 map17 on UV from a pistol start with no saves, so i am feeling pretty good about plutonia 2 right now.

gusta's hyperinterconnected maps are the best. this one is up there with The Train Is Approaching.

>>3224535
also after all the monsters were dead i found this, with an invulnerability. it wasn't worth the rocket jump.

Just bought, played, uninstalled, refunded DOOM4. I came here to feel better about my love for classic DOOM. What went wrong, and why is everyone loving this release?

>>3224579
>>>/vg/142454158
>>>/vg/142454158
>>>/vg/142454158
take your leave
thanks

Scrub here (breifly played Doom once as a kid and it was 2spooky for my pussy ass). What's the definitive order to play these in?
I just finished Inferno, but I remember anons here saying not to go to Thy Flesh Consumed. Do I just move on to Doom 2 and it's master levels?
Also, is there any authentic way to beat the spider mastermind in Dis without exploiting monster infighting. Because I got my ass kicked on my first try and lost everything, but after that there simply didn't seem to be enough ammo for the bastard. Without infighting, does the game really want me to punch a spider with a machine gun?

>>3224593
don't send the shitposters our way, faggot. if anything, direct him to /v/

>>3224607
>Also, is there any authentic way to beat the spider mastermind in Dis without exploiting monster infighting
From a pistol start? git gud. If not, just one-shot the thing with your BFG at point blank range.

>I just finished Inferno, but I remember anons here saying not to go to Thy Flesh Consumed. Do I just move on to Doom 2 and it's master levels?
I really like Thy Flesh Consumed. It's only the first two levels that are particularly hard (but good). The rest are great, far better than most of doom 2's in my opinion.

>>3224593
That's a pretty cool picture, although the plasma rifle looks a bit oversized

>>3224614
>Pistol Start
>BFG

Anon...
Also I don't think it's a matter of "gitting gud"; I hit the fucker with everything I got. There's simply not enough ammo in Dis.

>>3224617
Trick the demons into infighting the Mastermind.

>>3224579
Fuck off you're propably one of the tards who called Wolf:TNO linear despite the fact that it had more ways to approach the level than RTCW and no matter what they would do with the new Doom you would still bitch because you can't accept change.

>>3224593
Is there where all of /vg/'s shitposters are coming from? Asshats like you redirecting any /v/ermin that show up in the thread?
It's a chill general; quit trying to start a childish "war".

>>3224607
Best order (going by official shit/kinda official in the case of 64) is generally (in descending order)
>Knee Deep in the Dead
>Shores of Hell
>Inferno
>Doom 2
>Doom 2 Master Levels
>TNT
>Plutonia
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>64 via Doom64Ex
>Doom 3 (most would reccomend original over BFG, decide for yourself
>D44M

And there's your "official" series.

>>3224637
I think d64 should be 4th from the top

>>3224641
I thought 64 was a sequel to 2, story wise.

>>3224616
Yeah, that's a big fucking gun.

>>3224621
That's what I ended up doing. But like I said, it felt like cheating and I want to give the mastermind an authentic ass kicking from a pistol start.

>>3224637
Where would Pardition's Gate, the lost megawad from Final Doom come in?

>>3223458
>Thief: https://data.desustorage.org/vr/image/1456/09/1456095399293.jpg
STOP IT.
I just uninstalled it, I don't want ot reinstall it again.

>>3223475
>multi
Not thanks. I'd rather have an average solo game than a good multi one.

>>3224675
it's ut4, what did you expect

>>3224617
okay, i tried to do this with as little infighting as possible. it's hard to avoid it completely since spiderdemons tend to attract everything else's attention. conclusion: it is doable, despite my even wasting some ammo. i admit this took three or four tries before i got an exit. usually one distracts the spider with the other monsters then goes round the edge of the map for the rockets.

>>3224432
it's... a bit confusing, but it looks fun
there's no info on the F1 menu

i really don't like gauges without numeric indicators (especially for health/armor) but that's probably just me

the plasma caster just feels like a worse pistol (and even if it was a little stronger the ROF makes it pure garbage)

weapons that have their own batteries should have a different color (if possible something you could link to their gauges at first glance)

the static launcher and smartgun's effect don't visually change depending on your heat levels, feels like a bug to me (or an incoherence)

the plasma cannon (that should probably have CANN instead of CNNN on top of his gauge) fires... weird

shotgunners/chaingunners don't drop heat (lack of weapon scavenging)

other than that, it's not bad

>>3224653
Oh come on you don't pistol start a level and not plan to use infighting

>>3224402
Me again, I prefer HoMM3 frankly, but its music rivals Romero's. I really enjoy Master of Magic, a kind of proto AoW, I reccomend listening to AoW's music over MoM if you are going to play that though.

>tried to play GMOTA
>each weapon has 3 modes
>two weapons
>shitload of subweapons
>no clue about how everything work

>>3224728
What source port are you using for these webms?

Are there any sourceports that do a decent recreation of Software-style rendering with the exception being not using Y-shearing for mouselook?

>>3224758
press F1 and hope your screen resolution is high enough to read it

>>3224763
my own. i've never released it. probably never will. sorry.

>>3224516
What makes any of those acceptable to talk about on the retro board to begin with? Having retro installments? Lots of games that can't be talked about here do. Having vaguely more classic mechanics? Same situation. Where do you draw the line? Or are we just opening our gates to anyone with a dead game and a burning desire to dump posts about it on a slow moving general without even vaguely relating it to retro discussion?

>>3224783
What a pity. Oh well...

>>3224783
Any reason why you're against releasing it? Graphically it seems to match what is seen in most vanilla-ish ports, and that HUD looks much nicer than those seen in others.

Guys, I know Doom isn't spooky most of the time these days but you really need to be careful with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

>>3224898
No.

>>3224898
>not having a separate honker doing the bassline
tsk

i don't know if this is the right place to ask this but, is there any music thats similar sounding to "Ah, Geez!" from Duke Nukem 3D?

https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/733061632545435648/video/1

>>3224925
Tuba skeleton when?

>>3224959
I enjoyed this despite my best efforts

>>3224369
That looks like the same font Heretic/Hexen uses at the top.. what is it called?

How do I make my maps longer without making them boring?

>>3224347
What is this?

>>3224193
Thanks for the info. Looked it up and saw that Icarus, likely my favorite Doom mod Youtube guy, has a video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm4-9IxZGdI
I'm going to download it now.

>>3224964
Mancubus should play the Tuba

>>3224369
You're a god among anons

>>3225014
Is he unaware his aspect ratio is wrong?

What's a good megawad with difficulty along the lines of Back to Saturn X Ep1? I tried ancient aliens but it's got too many revenants and not enough ammo

>>3225004
Just always keep new and interesting things happen.

>>3225004
50 revenants.
You don't have time to get bored while you're running away from tracking rockets.

>>3225029
>fastforward to his latest video, half a year later
Oh, come on.. no one told him?

>>3225029
>>3225071
It reeeeeeally doesn't matter, torrid

>>3225029
~healthy at any zombification~

how long until there's doom 4 skins for all the weapons/demons

>>3225031
Is Back to Saturn X the greatest megawad ever made? It's along the lines of knee deep in the dead for perfect balance in everything (ammo, enemy placement, difficulty, level design, music, graphics)

>>3225102
Someone has made some pretty good animated frames of the weapons, though they're angled, something which I've grown to not quite like as much for Doom anymore.

>>3225157
I really hope someone makes a good demon replacement mod, the new pinkies look so much better

>>3225192
I like the old cartoony ones honestly.

When it comes to the monsters, I mostly prefer to separate Original Doom, Doom 3 and Doom 4, their designs are very different from one another and their styles would clash too much

while we're on the subject, what's the best monster pack to go with Trailblazer?

the doom4emulation monsterpack doesn't work most of the time (it was supposed to work with other mods, right?)
doomRLA monsters is alright(ish), but i feel like it'll screw me over at some point

>>3225029
>>3225071

>>3225120
BTSX E1 also suffers the same problem as Knee Deep In The Dead. They're mostly easy, with little challenge. Granted BTSX E1 isnt quite as easy, but its still generally easy.

I prefer BTSX E2's balance, for its more Plutonia-ish level of challenge.

>>3225259
>easy, with little challenge
>three spider masterminds in just one part of map07

>strife reboot never

>>3225269
Not enough people have any deep love for Strife that a reboot would ever be made. Good on the devs for trying to make an RPG out of the Doom engine, but it just wasn't very good.

>>3225232

I'm working on one... for Heretic at the moment anyway. I might submit it to Pillow and see if he's interested in adding it to TB proper.

Also a lot more features, like the ability to carry health items, a la Heretic, Hexen and Strife, being able to swap out what powerups spawn where, and a lot more features, all toggleable from the Blaze-It Options menu.

>>3225269
>>3225272
it could be vastly improved now

zdoom has enemy paths(patrols), i think sgtmark made some sort of stealth thing (monster try to find you at you last seen position and give up at some point), the dialog system has been vastly improved (thanks to Hdoom and some furry, i think?)
we can have ladders, grapplings...

>>3225281
sounds awesome

>>3225272
>Good on the devs for trying to make an RPG out of the Doom engine, but it just wasn't very good.

Yeah, a lot of the later levels really suffer in the design department. People rant about puzzles in Hexen, and not knowing what to do after hitting the switch? Strife has that, but even worse. Some areas in the Bishop's Fortress are lousy with that shit.

It doesn't help that FPS-RPG hybrids were done much better only a few years after it.

before going into combined arms, what should i know

>>3225291
The chaingun replacement alt-fire gives you cells for the SSG replacement.

>>3225272
Strife would have probably gotten rave reviews if it didn't get canceled halfway through development, leading to it being delayed to 1996 instead of the late 1994/1995 release they were aiming for.

>>3225281

lmao 2 machete

>>3225291

everything's got an altfire, using the fist's altfire in the air lets you wall jump if you kick off walls. The SSG uses cells and the altfire reacts differently if you hit an enemy, wall, ceiling, or floor, the nailgun's altfire gives you cells on hit, damaging enemies charges the BFG replacement when you get it.

Blur spheres are replaced with crates.

>>3225259
Have you not done the SSG secret on the first map?

>>3225298
I didn't know that, is there a source somewhere, I'd like to read about it?

>>3225340
There's not much to tell. Strife was originally produced under contract by a developer called Cygnus Studios for Apogee. The game was canceled because the head of Cygnus decided to shut the studio down because he was moving to Chicago, so the devs basically got left in the lurch with a half finished game, and had to form a new studio and shop around for a publisher to help them finish the game.

John Romero:
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1364221
>The Cygnus graphic has something to do with Cygnus Studios, the company that made Raptor:Call of the Shadows. In the middle of making Strife they mutinied against the founder/lead coder and reformed as Rogue Software (after I dissuaded them from calling themselves Mutiny Software). We moved their company down from Chicago while they were making Raptor so they could work on a game for us when they were finished with it. We moved them into an office next to ours. After they finished Raptor they started working on another game for Apogee called The Two Swords and I talked Scott Miller into dropping that game so they could work on Strife instead.

One of the original devs of chex quest is makeing a remake on UE4 http://www.chexquest.org/index.php?topic=5307.0

Is tfix actually a Vanilla experience? Should I just play a normal install off steam?

>>3225368
Seems rather pointless if they're just going to remake the original levels.

>>3224369
Nice. I didn't get a chance to respond on the irc at work (we work with sensitive information, so NO PHONES, AND NO FUN), and my phones browser doesn't allow for 4chan posting either... But anyway - I'm not TOO worried about original compositions. I'm a tad wary about using music from other games, but this track is pretty fly, so... Might be nice to have some atmospheric arrangements of old norse folk songs, or celtic jingles. Slow em down, drop the pitch, make them evil sounding. Something I'd feel less bad about stealing :-p

Still a dope midi though. I would go nice with a fort type level. I think E2 levels are going to be broken down into different city districts and areas. So you'd have the docks with a bunch of warehouses and shit, and then a market place littered with bodies and what-have-you, sewers, suburbs, etc, and then finally the castle... There's a more rural fort level planned in episode 1 too this might be good with.

>Projectile bullets that move so unrealistically slow you can dodge them

This for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3WbYzwtlHE

What makes you vomit /doom/?

I dont mind a slight trail on a bullet, but being able to actually dodge bullets is just so dumb. If I wanted to dodge bullets I would play a matrix style game with special powers and time slowing abilities.

>>3225401
but anon

that mod is a matrix style game

>>3225401

I like projectile bullets

What upsets me is a shitty melee attack/weapon

>>3225385
Just curious, what do you do where there's such strict security?

>>3225368
>makeing
Please don't do this.

what is the absolute worst fucking piece of shit level in doom 1 and why is it E3M7?

>>3225453
>not E2M2

>>3225458
E3M7 is like all the worst aspects of that level magnified to an extreme, as well as inventing new ways of being awful

>>3225453
I just played through E3. That map was fun. E3M6 is worse.

>>3225453
Road To Limbo isn't THAT bad. It might be a bit confusing at first with the red door teleports, but other then that's it's fine.

>>3225453
That one map where you start in front of a blood pit with plenty cacos and shit and narrow walkways.
Had to punch 2 hellbarons to death to progress.

>>3225458
Woops, meant E3M2, E2M2 is fun

>>3225475
>>3225479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blNXIEM11U0
it also has the worst song in doom as well
level is just a total shitshow

>>3224369
This is really nice, thank you!

>>3225487
E3M2 is always a hassle.

>>3225449
Keep it on silent and in my pocket. Generally only use it when I'm on break and out of the room, but sometimes glance at it real quick while looking over my shoulder. If you act naturally enough people are too busy to notice you.

>>3225453
E3M6 and M7 still give me a headache.

>>3225474
>>3225475
you're both insane. E2M3 is well known to be the worst normal doom level.

>>3224902
Hatate or Aya camera weapon?

>>3225519
>>3225498
>>3225493
>>3225453
>Episode 3 in general

>>3225519
Like I said, that level is just like E3M7, except E3M7 is far, far more egregious about it. It's basically just an even worse version.

>>3225453
That's not how you spell Command "Half the map is a waste of time" Center.

What's the point of the railgun in Shadow Warrior? Same with the Skull Staff for Blood.

>>3225524
E3M3 was great though

>>3225531
Well, I mean, it is still motherfucking DOOM, but E3 was clearly the weakest episode overall.

>>3225538
Thy Flesh Consumed is the weakest Doom 1 episode.

>>3225494
I think he meant what job do you do that requires that amount of security. I'd guess some kind of state or federal facility? Maybe military? I know that in a lot of federal government places they only allow people to use Blackberries because they're the only phones that have passed DOD security certification.

>>3225540
I disagree, even if you count it, but whatever. We could weigh them all day long.

>>3225546
Oh. It's a drug testing facility. People in rehab don't want me taking selfies with their social security numbers I guess.

Might replay Quake again. Why should I use Quakespam over the other source ports?

Might replay Quake again. Why should I use Quakespasm over the other source ports?

Might replay Quake again. Why should I use Quakespasm over the other source ports?

>>3225558
It's the closest you can get to a working non-buggy version of GLQuake for modern computers.

>>3225558
It's a limit-removing source port that runs well on modern systems, has good widescreen support and can be configured to look identical to the original software renderer (except for the underwater effect). Most custom maps that require raised limits or advanced features have been designed for Fitzquake/Quakespasm.

>>3225553
Seems the hot new drug that's getting everyone into trouble is Oxycotin and synthetic marijuana.
.t federal employee

>>3225334
Yes I have. While a bit of a spike compared to the main parts, it was still not too difficult.

>>3225267
Map07 is full of cover, and many oppurtunities to start infighting.

>>3225576
What kind of stuff do you need to change to make Quakespasm feel like DOS Quake?

>>3225583
The Quake pastebin in the OP covers the necessary console commands, under the "CONFIG" section.

Is episode 4 worth a play-through? I've played only 1-3 before. It feels strange in comparison to other episodes.

>>3225578
>synthetic marijuana

Because nothing says "this is a great idea" like going to a truck stop and buying fake weed made from sketchy chemicals in China, that is most famous for turning people into "naked florida man attacks police, tries to eat hobo" berserkers or giving you brain damage.

Probably the closest the US has got to Krokodil, or has that started showing up here too?

>>3225595
It's a complete mess of map design. The levels all feel separate from each other. Plus there's a level in the mix by John Romero which is fucking terrible, his worst map.

>>3225595
yeah, it's hard but it's cool

>>3225578
>>3225596

how crushingly backwards do your drug policies have to be that synthetic marijuana is even created, let alone consumed?

fucking legalize it and tax it, how is this even an issue in the modern world

>>3225596
>this is a great idea
The "reasoning" behind many of the people who take it here in DC is "i wanna to get high but I don't want to get caught by the normal weed test" so they buy the sketchy shit.

>>3225607
You underestimate the stupidity of drug users.

>>3225612
no, i overestimate the intelligence of US policy makers

offer someone a choice between weed and synthetic weed and tell me how many times someone chooses synthetic weed

>>3225617
Learn to write first.

This is why I play Doom.

>>3225619
Oh boy, pedantry! The last refuge of those losing an argument.

Well that's enough time wasting common sense on a jackass, who wants to talk about DUMP 3?

>>3225630
>getting rekt so bad he has to project
Yawn.

Any word on BDSE v20?

>>3225607
war on drugs was started as a war on black people during nixon's administration, and keeping it going keeps an abundance of legal slave labor (prisoners)

to people that think slavery was abolished, the thirteenth amendment reads "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex#Economics good enough tl;dr in the first paragraph or two

>>3225632
What you're talking about has nothing to do with Doom so how about you both shut the fuck up

>>3225639
>man I'm getting rekt
>better decide it's off-topic so i can hide my butthurtry
Hahahaha.

>>3225642
You're getting your anons mixed up, I just want you chucklefucks to fuck off

>>3225645
Hu-uh :^)

>>3223458
What's wad that makes doom more like doom? (atmosphere)

>>3225672
DOOM.wad, DOOM2.wad

>>3225628
Is that an imp helping you hold your gun steady as you senselessly kill its brethren?

>>3225672
Doom 64...? What do you want exactly?

>>3225679
I think he's saying he wants a wad that makes Doom feel like NuDoom.

>>3225672

>>3225672
Brutal Doom

>>3225681
Brutal Doom, then.

>>3225672

shut up and bleed

>>3225696
If you could replace the music with nuDoom music, Brutal Doom might actually be the best way of playing nuDoom in Doom 2.

>>3225701
Just take Demonsteele's music randomizer and replace the midis with Doom4's

I think Demonsteele is an overrated meme mod

>>3225716
>meme [noun]

Please don't. I'm fucking serious.

>>3225723
Stop answering to yourself.

>>3225453
who is this semen demon?

How do I disable my singular bullet hitscan weapon from xdeath-ing monsters?

>>3225706
holy shit, this

what happened to this fucking thread, all the comfy has been sucked straight out of it this month

>>3225696
>>3225694
gameplay aside I'd love to see some demakes of the new designs into sprite format, then again it's been years and still no doom 3 hellknight sprite

>>3225765
NuDoom release maybe? New people came, old people got defensive for no real reason.

>>3225747
What port? Should always specify that with modding questions

>>3225783
ZDoom. also vanilla monsters so damagetype + new xdeath state is a no-go. I just want to keep these zombiemen from exploding.

>>3225774
which is silly, I like both, finished nu, then went to play vanilla doom for the first time in a long time as it re awoke my spark, am now playing kneedeep in zdoom with metal soundtrack and zombie voices mod for flavor

>it's a "let's throw hundreds upon hundreds of monsters on the player in a huge open area where there's no rhyme or reason to the flow and let the player keep running around to guess where he's supposed to go next while getting his health slowly whittled down by enemies and pain floors" map

>>3225765
I don't get it. We were all newfags at some point. Better late to the party than never, and plentiful mods still coming out twenty years in goes to show that it's one hell of a party.

>>3225578
Synthetic marijuana is nearly up there with normal marijuana, as far as what we commonly test for. That and "designer stimulants" (methamphetamine)...

>>3225747

Can't you just put +NOEXTREMEDEATH on your bullet puff?

>>3225765

Needs more skeletons.

>>3225810
my skeletonegro

>>3225259
I remember watching one of the AGDQ's doing Doom 1 and the guy mentioned that he runs KDITD first as its actually the hardest episode, namely because it has the most hitscan enemies in it, and you have the least amount of weapons.

I think in 93 they thought that weak small enemies were easy and high damage bullet sponges were hard, but they didn't figure that the high damage was easy to dodge and the bullet sponges were balanced with more weapons, and that the small weak shotgunners can actually roll crazy high damage and that hitscan is literally a laser.

It takes either slaughter or plutonia levels of design (sans chaingunner and revenant spam) to make the higher tier enemies an actual threat and outdo the gimmick of hitscan. Deny the player space and use traps etc. I guess however hitscan is a part of doom: both with zombies and the archvile, their placement affects a maps balance so much.

BTSX I would say is empowering, its good at presenting you challenges, but the maps have such a good flow its easy to solve them, so you kill higher tier enemies and ambushes and it makes you feel great. There are a few bottleneck moments, a few arenas that if every room was like it it would be known as a more slaughter kind of WAD, but I think BTSX's flow is great for capturing the attention of UV-MAX veterans and noobs alike.

It entirely is a such a beautiful experience, the ending sequence made feel the same level of comfy as I had when I beat Unreal for the first time.

>>3225813

>>3225810
Are puffs part of the damage calculation? I don't know much about bullet puffs.

>>3225816
It get worse with the Brutal doom was who makes hitscan enemies even worse. Equinox is hard as fuck because of that.

>>3225838
but brutal doom turns all hitscans into fast projectiles, giving you a (tiny) chance to dodge

>>3225841
Yeah but it means not being able to retaliate since you can't aim while running around.

>>3225827

puffs are at their root just animations with the potential to execute all manner of functions

you could use them to display an actual bullet puff or in conjunction with pointers and TNT1 to do intricate decorate functions

>>3225794
Is that ancient aliens? Damn shame that map design has such problems, visual style is awesome.

>>3225872
There's a map made about that show?

>>3225875
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/87784-ancient-aliens-rc2-available/

>>3225879
That indeed looks pretty cool.

>>3225875

it's not really about the show, just uses the host and the name as assets

it looks amazing but will ravage your asshole

>>3225810
>>3225854
I don't know how putting the flag on the puff makes it work, but thank you!

>>3225887
>it looks amazing but will ravage your asshole
Just like a girlfriend with a strap on.

I want to try modding a game and have some fun learning how to gitgud, and the doom engine seems like a good place to start. I'll just start out doing simple texture swaps and levels and take my time with this, I have no ambition to make something special right away. A lot of custom sprites and textures I've seen in doom mods are pretty damn detailed, is there a process used to "pixilate" an irl photo into fitting within doom's art style, or do people just spend autistic amounts of time making detailed sprites themselves? In general, are mod authors cool with you using a weapon pack as part of your mod? Until I can make my own stuff, I'd like to mess around with inserting custom weapons, is there a public repository of free-to-use assets for doom modders?

I've never actually beaten doom, I should probably do that before making any mods kek

>>3225902
Beat at least the first three Doom 1 episodes before making mods.

>>3225902
>I've never actually beaten doom
Then do it first.
>kek
On second thoughts, fuck off.

>>3225914
Ka ka~

>>3225902
I do mod Dominions, but I just want to give a warning about resizing and pixilate photos since most of them do end up looking like pure ass even if you run them through a million filters and shades. It's easier to try and edit and kitbash existing sprites and work from there until you get a hang of the artstyle.

Does running increase the damage of the Fist in Doom/Doom 2 or is that some "That Kid" kind of shit?

>>3225932

That's marathon, silly.

>>3225902
At least play the game before attempting to mod it, or else it'll be a nightmare trying to understand what you're actually trying to do

>>3225872
I wouldn't necessarily call it a "problem", it's just not the kind of thing I enjoy but I know a lot of people like it. A lot of people apparently also enjoy constant usage of locked arenas, and that's another thing I don't think I'll ever understand.

>>3225902
Play through Doom 1 and 2 at least to get a good idea of what the fuck you're even modding

>>3225630
>who wants to talk about DUMP 3?

Not really a whole bunch to talk about until I post it, which may be this June or July.
Well, I guess unless you want to share weapon ideas.

>>3225985
Confirmed that it's going to be weapons this time then?

>>3225985
>sharing weapon ideas
I dunno..

>>3226029

Not 100% confirmed.
But, like, 90%. I am leaning very heavily on the weapons idea.

Honestly, though, I may be a half-assed little wriggler and do both--a weaponset and a mapset, and let people pick and choose which they want to join in as.
Even if only about 2/3rds of the people from DUMP 2 decide to join up, that still means a decent split in people that would want to make weapons and people that would want to make a mapset.
It's a number with a very generous amount of wiggle room on either side, too. A weaponset needs at least seven weapons, and a levelset "needs" at least 12 maps. (No it doesn't)
Anything more is just gravy.

It also has the side benefit of compiling 68 fucking assing shitting pissing cocking dicking cunting bitching fuc k fuckutyf,mnfuckfuyckflkufciufkcufuckFUCKING maps isn't going to fucking happen again.

>>3226043
Also, you still need to upload the video of your first playthrough of DUMP2, where everythign was still WIP. You know the one. I need my "how do I allign textures again" video in all its glory of unalligned textures.

>>3226043
sounds like a win/win either way
assuming you stick with the "make at least two weapons" rule, even a dozen people are going to result in a good variety, while another dozen make fun maps

>isn't going to fucking happen again
you know that more people are going to be signing up :)

I'm playing going down on the shittiest laptop ever made. is there any quick and easy way to improve my framerate?

I'd also like to lower the dead monster sprites, cause huge ass cacodemons I already killed keep getting in my way.

playing on zdoom

>>3226043
>I may be a half-assed little wriggler and do both--a weaponset and a mapset,
but being indecisive is kegan's job!

though in this case it does sound like a good way to have your cake and let people eat it, too

>>3226052
There are wads that replace the mondsters by Doom 3's monsters that desintegrate upon death.

>>3226053
>but being indecisive is kegan's job!

>>3226052
reduce screen resolution? if you are playing in software mode, drawing the screen is where most of the CPU effort goes.

>>3224730
>the plasma caster just feels like a worse pistol (and even if it was a little stronger the ROF makes it pure garbage)

It also doesn't alert creatures... I guess that's pretty useless. I'll buff it.

>the static launcher and smartgun's effect don't visually change depending on your heat levels, feels like a bug to me (or an incoherence)

I felt only the bread-and-butter weapons should use heat, as the static launcher,cannon, and smartgun already use their own seperate ammo.

>the plasma cannon fires... wierd
Elaborate? And yeah, I'll fix the UI for that.

>shotgunners/chaingunners don't drop heat (lack of weapon scavenging)

I'm trying to fix that, but I don't want to tamper with monster definitions for compatibility with monster mods.

>i really don't like gauges without numeric indicators (especially for health/armor) but that's probably just me
I'll add in numbers then.

>>3225558
Original quake folder with dosbox. Its available online. Best, most vanilla experience.

>>3226072
i never noticed that the caster was a stealth weapon

if you can, you should have the projectiles that aren't affected by heat use a different color
color coding is important, and using these colors for something unrelated can get confusing

>>Elaborate?
it first shoots a red (precise) plasma ball and pukes some (messy) green ones shortly after, it feels weird

oh, and the static launcher's projectile is invisible in doom1, but i guess that can't be helped

i'm sure you could either make the dropped guns scavengable for heat/battery or have the gun always spawn with a small heat... crystal?

and thanks for the numbers

>>3226084
>it first shoots a red (precise) plasma ball and pukes some (messy) green ones shortly after, it feels weird
Its meant fulfill the role of the shotgun. What's weird about it? The delay between firing stages?

About the Static launchers projectile, that's probably because everything is TEXTURES, I guess Doom1 doesn't have the base sprite.

And yeah, I'll change the colour of the non-heat-using projectile.

Also, how did you like the BFG? And did you notice the Plasma Cutters special effect?

As it turns out, doom on 3ds runs perfectly fine but controls like shit. I imagine having a new3ds or circle pad pro would be more bearable. Currently using the circle pad for strafing movement, L/R for turning, A for shooting, B/Y for weapon switch and X for use. The layout confuses me, I'm used to shoulder buttons controlling shooting and such for FPS games, and using dual sticks for movement. This is some weird mesh of keyboard doom and playing with a controller.

I'll just stick to playing on pc, comfy doom in bed doesn't work like I imagined it :<

>>3226086
yeah, the delay feels weird
and if it's supposed to be the shotgun replacement, the ROF is probably a bit too low and three shots isn't a lot (well, two are enough to kill a baron...)
having the caster as a basic shotgun would probably be better, and this as... idk, it kinds of fits in the SSG role to me... at least it's "blam, all in your face!" role

the BFG is fun, but i'm not sure if it'll be really effective on a terrain that isn't flat (maybe you could have the little projectiles chase monsters?)

and no, i didn't see anything special on the cutters

>>3226072
>I'm trying to fix that, but I don't want to tamper with monster definitions for compatibility with monster mods.
I haven't tried out your mod, but if you want former humans to drop different items, you can replace the pickup version of their normal items using the thing ID number, while the dropped items get replaced by something else using "replaces", I can't think of a way to say this that makes sense, so I'll put out some code.

actor Heat : Ammo replaces shotgun
{
insertpropertieshere
}

actor Gun : Weapon 2001
{
insertpropertieshere
}
This would make things with the TID of 2001 (Shotgun) already placed in the map be replaced by the Gun actor, while any shotguns spawned/dropped into the game will be replaced by the Heat actor.
Very hacky and will probably screw up scripted ZDoom maps that manually spawn items.

>>3226097
Why not use the touchscreen for aiming? Left hand for strafing+L for shooting, include the weapons as small buttons on the touchscreen as well as a use button.

>>3226103
> you can replace the pickup version of their normal items using the thing ID number
Huh, nice! I'll do that then, thanks.

>>3226102
The cutter gains heat when you cut things
And yeah, I'll change the caster. It may take a while though.

>>3226104
It feels really awkward and cramped. It feels like a cheap novelty, you can't really keep playing that way for more than a single map before it gets really annoying

>>3226097
N3DS nub is pretty much something designed for Monster Hunter for small camera adjustments when you aren't using L for the soft lock-on. Adjusting it vertically feels poor, I wouldn't imagine Doom would need that but still.

>>3226102
Sorry for double post, I meant to say that the cannon is the SSG replacement. By "shotgun" I mean it was for spreadfire.

>>3226097
I don't have a 3DS but why don't you just use two of the face buttons for turning left and right? Then you can bind run and shoot to the shoulder buttons.

>>3226116
What, like with how Metroid Prime Hunters had a button mode?

>Not having always run on

>>3226147
>Not having always run on
Run changes the speed that you turn, you know.

Can anyone recommend some good deathmatch/duel maps set in Hell?

>>3226208
Your mother's bed.
My former school.
The hospital I spent the last weeks in.
4chan.

>>3225401
>What makes you vomit /doom/?

Hitscan enemies that shoot instantly. That's what keeps me from enjoying Blood more.

>>3226221
Did you install the patch? Unpatched Blood is basically unplayable because the enemies have perfect reflexes and accuracy on even the easiest difficulties.

I tried to play the unpatched game and couldn't even clear the first level.

>>3226221
Thats how firearms work in real life though. You can't dodge bullets, you can only put cover between yourself and the shooter.

Ideally you should hear the sound of the gun firing AFTER the bullet hits you, if you want to be even more realistic for supersonic weapons.

Also with blood you need to altfire TNT around corners, and use the altfire flaregun to burn cultists alive when they're in tight groups.
This is a fairly conservative way to deal with cultists if you're having trouble.

Didn't you ever play rainbow 6? Enemies are far quicker and you have far less health. Blood is pretty easy when you have life seed giving you 200 health, and guns akimbo tommy guns, Things just die before you as you advance through the map

>>3226226
The first level is pretty tough though. Always has been. All that hitscan vs your projectile flare gun and pitchfork. You gotta get creative with TNT and know the enemy placement like the back of your hand. And savescum like a puta

>>3226226
Maybe. This is what it shows when I boot up the game on DOS box. Any idea where I can get the patch?

>>3226240
I can see how it's more realistic not being able to dodge the bullets. What I was complaining about was about how much of a quick draw the custists are. In Doom the hitscan zombies have a delay of a few tics before they actually fire. In blood, the cultists can start firing at you the exact nanosecond they see you.

>>3226240
>>3226243
Dude the unpatched version is straight up broken, the difficulty level drops to the usual Doom/Douk levels when you patch it.

>>3226102
Ok, I've fixed things. I've managed to do most of what you asked for, except the numbers on the HUD is restricted to your HP and Armour. Instead of a number next to the charge bars, I've added a line telling you the minimum required charge level.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ptiz7sqr1z607q/plasmaBurst.pk3?dl=0

>>3226240
>In real life
In real life I could dress up as an enemy, then use their confusion to deliver a single headshot to the head, and I fail, I should slowly bleed out from the gunshot wound.
In fact, why can I just pull the trigger? I should be forced to unlock safety, cock the hammer - Receiver is for fucking casuals!

Like, above could potentially make an interesting game, but we're talking about Doom clones.

Hitscan enemies that shoot instantly is simply bad design. Doom is intentionally designedwhere all hitscan enemies have aiming delay, so you can safely circlestrafe around them, except for Spider Mastermind which is supposed to be super absurd unfair boss that forces you to switch your tactics completely and probably abuse enemy infighting.
Enemies in Quake and Q2 do so too, though they aim for where you are and not where you've been, so this makes things harder, but you can still kill them fast or use cover, or bait them into moving and shoot them while moving - and later enemies don't use hitscan guns.

In Half Life, none of those things are true, which makes HECU a pain in the ass to deal with
, and either savescumming and using mines, abusing AI or simply tanking the hits - though to be honest it's kind of the point, everytime you're facing HECU you're supposed to be hopelessly outmatched because you're just some shmuch in a hazmat suit in a crowbar and those are real fucking Marines, trained for this and outnumbering you, and you're meant to survive only by luck.

Then, thank fucking god, some devs at Ritual decided that since their entire game is gonna have hitscan enemies, player needs some fair way to deal with them, so they added headshots in Sin and reinvented FPS genre, which was thankfully cemented in Deus Ex.

>Heretic will probably never get the DOOM treatment
>Like no wads for it
>Hexen has a better chance of getting a reboot

It hurts

>Haha, i'm knee deep in the dead!
Jesus christ, really?

>>3226221
Blood is perfectly fine ballance wise, cultists only start chapping my arse when they score an MLG dynamite throw and I don't have fire armor

>>3226278
What the hell is that? Brutal Doom or something?

>>3226325
It's a Brutal Doom arrange. Adds some things and changes some other things.

>>3226327
>I guess I will take a look at its ModDB page
>"You can now dual wield plasma guns" huh weird but not that out of ordinary
>"headshot system has been revamped"
>headshot system
Fucking dropped like an assault pod into Stroggos atmosphere.

Why do people think Doom needs this shit? Half of its charm comes from the fact that it bridges the gap between 2.5D twin-stick shooters like Wolf3D, and 3D FPS games like Quake. When you take it away and add vertical aiming, jumping, iron sights, cover shooting, you get the most generic game in the world.
Like, oh noooo, gore and swearing, that totally doesn't happen in any other game! Oh, a middle finger button, how edgy and unique! A space marine... shooting monsters! With guns! I'm jizzing myself because this has never been done before or after that!

>>3226341
Vanilla Brutal Doom also had headshots didn't it?

>>3226342
Wasn't that only cosmetic?

>>3226349
I don't think so. Enemies die far quicker when you shoot them in the head.

>>3226341
Brutal Doom and its offshoots are mods for thirteen year old boys that might as well have been made by thirteen year old boys. Not really sure what you expected but if you're looking for good well-thought-out game design decisions you're at the wrong place.

>>3226359
Wrong, edgy doom is for grown men who like doom, who realize it's dumb as fuck, but play it for infantile giggles to feel 13 again

What engine would be the best to work with for an Ultima Underworld style game/mod? Bonus point if I can use Lisp for the job.

>>3226359
It's accurate to assume that anyone who hates Brutal Doom just hates how abrasive Sergeant Mark is. If you have a problem with Mark that's understandable but please try to grow a thicker skin. Just because he's "edgy" doesn't make him the devil you SJWs

>>3226378
his mod fucks with game balance

pretty much all gameplay mods are terrible because of this, they have no maps designed around them

smooth doom is that real good shit

>>3226378

>hating on Mark makes you a SJW

(Vocé)

>>3226378
Anyone that thinks adding iron sights to Doom is a good idea an idiot.

>>3226380
>his mod fucks with game balance
>pretty much all gameplay mods are terrible because of this

Then why don't people attack all gameplay mods?

Oh that's right. Mark t-t-told someone t-t-to kill themselves! Oh heavens!

>>3226378
>>3226386

(You)

/b/ is that way

>>3226264
>Hitscan enemies that shoot instantly is simply bad design.
it reflects firearms in real life. I'd say thats pretty good design.

Doom is all about the combination of hitscan and projectile, you have to deal with the hitscanner while you dodge all the projectiles, because you dont want a shotgun to the face, but its easy to sidestep an imps fireball.
The delay in doom enemies doesn't stop them hitscanning you, it just gives you a moment to react before the histcan is made. You're movement only changes the chance of hit that the hitscan has. You dont ever "dodge" it. if it can see you, you will be hitscanned. a randomizer will produce either a hit or a miss and damage will be rolled. Its like D&D. You roll to hit, then you roll damage.

Hitscanning is just a way of representing firearms, it is neither good or bad design. its just a shortcut so that the computer doesn't have to model a bullet travelling at the speed of sound or faster. If you have a problem with firearms being accurate in games, play raptor or some or SHMUP where everything is dodge-able.

I found the marines in half life pretty easy to deal with via underslung grenades and claymores. Very fun to deal with If you know what you're doing.

>>3226359
That's kind of what I dislike, really. Like, I'm an amateur game dev, and like, after analyzing it for a bit? Doom's design is fucking brilliant. It's objective-driven shortcut-heavy level design set the standard for all 3D level design today (entirety of Dark Souls is structured similar to a Doom level), enemies can be pretty much used to teach orthogonal unit differentiation (basically, different enemies do different things and you need to react to them differently - compare to Call of Duty where you have 50 functionally identical weapons and 10 identical enemy types), weapons are useful for different things at different ranges and share ammo in a relatively complex interconnected system - I'm not saying improving or expanding on it would be impossible, it just would be pretty hard to not break the game.

Like, what new interesting ideas could be added to the game? Rocket fist which hits hard and propels you away from explosion for efficient rocketjumping? Placeable barrels as mines? Possessing monsters to start infighting? Necronomicon that allows you to summon your own demons - maybe friendly Lost Souls as a projectile weapon? Making damaging floors damage monsters so player could trick them into dying? A powerup that makes you temporarily invulnerable to all hitscan damage called "Bane of the Shotgun Doorman"? A phase device that teleports you to random place in the level as a last resort escape, as cribbed from Doom Rougelike? Maybe, Idk. It'd need to testing, for sure.

But surely not adding a button that makes Doomguy say "Rip and tear!". I mean, that's more of a Duke 3D thing, ain't it?

>>3226386
Becuase other gameplay mods also mess with monsters to rebalance it. Also they generally not as much of a clusterfuck as brutal doom, which is filled with loads of useless shit that detracts from gameplay, for example, the helmet cracks on screen blinding you.

>>3226386

No, because Brutal gets shilled as a replacement/HD remaster for the original, when it in fact fucks with the game balance.

I don't have anything against Mark, but he is a bit of an edgy shit.

Other gameplay wads don't have anywhere near the pretense of BD.


The OP should frankly have a real starter pack, with ZDL, gzdoom, smoothdoom, timidity, and the SC55 soundpack set up for retards.

>>3226386
because no other gameplay mod is touted as being the end all be all of DOOOOOOOM

the only thing that comes close to the egotism of that is gmota and demonsteele and really those two are only worth ignoring

>>3226391
I like doom so much because I was a Halo kiddie and despite what quakefags will say halo did actually carry the torch for orothogonal unit differentiation into the console space, and kept it going longest.

Bungie called halo 30 seconds of fun on loop, Doom is like two parallel 5 second loops of fun running simultaneously

I'm 22, as of yesterday, I could never put my finger on WHY I didn't like COD4 that much when it came out after Halo 3.

>>3226397
I think that's just because people wrongly assume that Doom doesn't have any design elements worth paying attention to in the CURRENT YEAR.

They just see an ugly shooter, whereas we see the balance between weapons and monsters that still hasn't been matched.

>>3226341

I think iron sights and cover shooting make for horrible additions to Doom, but I like jumping and freelook if it's done right.

>>3226410
Freelook is fine if you're playing wads designed for it.

Why did DirectQ delete it's page quakefam?
I posted on its sourceforge saying it was great and posted how mission pack 1 crashes at some points and the next day the page was gone.
Did I kill DirectQ?

>>3226378
>anyone who hates Brutal Doom just hates how abrasive Sergeant Mark

I hated burtal doom long before I knew anything about its creator.

There is fucking nothing that is ever going to make me like melee finishers, iron sights, reloading and slowed movement in doom.

And that's ignoring the gigantic overbright explosions and black smoke clouds that aside from being framerate killers always force you to stop and wait for the smoke to clear.

The only thing Brutal Doom brings to the table is a good gore system. Virtually every gameplay change it makes is for the worse.

I honestly find it unplayable, especially in multiplayer.

>>3226462

I don't recall, did Brutal Doom actually slow the player down? I now you can build up a lot of speed by abusing jumpkicks.

The really shitty thing about Brutal Doom was how there was one version where the gibs could damage the player and how shooting walls at close range hurt you. Not to mention the headshot system allowing you to kill the cyberdemon with like, 12 rockets

Did Heretic or Hexen have jumping or looking up and down programed into the game? Playing them for the furst time and wondering if it's considered 'acceptable' to enable jumping or look up and down, or use mouselook.

any tips for how to make Quake more fun?

I think they nailed the art design, but gunplay feels like a step down from doom imo

Main Problem for me seems to be to the guns looking flat and boring (doest lift shotgun into air to pump after shooting, no reload animation for SSG, etc.) And the enemies, which appear in few numbers and take more damage than ones in doom. Nail Guns and grenade launchers are cool ideas though.

This was my first FPS so it has a special place in my heart, im just not finding it that fun after years of insane doom wads. Is there just a quake mind set?

>>3226465
pretty sure some difficulty levels put you in a cod crawl

>>3226462
Brutal Doom has some really nice monster "AI" touches, along with supporting swimming monsters.

Too bad the new monster behaviour and the rest of BD aren't exclusive.

>>3226468
hexen had jumping, crouching and looking around. Not sure about heretic though.

>>3226476
>any tips for how to make Quake more fun?
QUAD DAMAGE

So BD and it's derivatives are all bad, Daemonsteel, and GMOTA are ignorable, what deep conversion mods are there that are actually worth while then?

>>3226505
HDoom

>>3226505
Aliens TC is actually pretty fun.

>>3226505
Did you at least try those mods or are you letting vanillafags tell you how you should be having fun?

ayy lmao

>>3226516
>vanilla fags
Is that what you call people who actually know right from wrong?

>>3226476
http://www.moddb.com/mods/alternative-gun-models-for-quake these models make the weapons feel better, and I recommend the alternate snailgun model from the extras folder

>>3226516
:Vanilla fags

Pls, we´re purists.

>>3226505
Anything from the SO YOU WANNA PLAY SOME DOOM. I´d suggest Fractal Doom

>>3226476
The level design is so good that I'm able to look past the way the guns feel. I prefer the more powerful and less numerous enemies because it makes each play a more significant role in an encounter rather than just being an excuse to shoot something, which is fine but it's not my kinda of thing.

Try to avoid using shotguns all the time like you do in Doom. Instead, make much more liberal use of explosives, the game provides you with plenty of rocket ammo especially with the ogre drops. It takes two grenades/rockets to take out an ogre, and he drops two of them back. Unlike Doom, weapon switching in Quake is instantaneous so there's no need to hesitate in having your rocket launcher at the ready for fear that an enemy may surprise you in close range. In short, just use rockets a lot more often and treat the RL as the new SSG.

Romero needs to trim his beard.

>tfw Mike12 will never finish Forsaken Planet

>>3226462
>melee finishers
Not necessary to use them at all and can be completely ignored, unlike in the Doom reboot.

> iron sights
Weapons are more accurate than Doom weapons even when firing from the hip. You don't need to use it too.
>reloading
Purist mode removes it.
>slowed movement in doom.
This was removed like... 10 versions ago?
>force you to stop and wait for the smoke to clear.
Tonned down in v20.


Just face it. You hate Brutal Doom because SgtMarkIV is anti-SJW, and you feel triggered with him. There are very few things that can be criticized in the last version.

>>3226542
>>force you to stop and wait for the smoke to clear.
>Tonned down in v20.

Still very pervasive. I, for one, can barely aim after taking a single hit because of the stupid helmet cracks that show up.

>>3225810
That fucking chaingunner

>>3226542
>Just face it. You hate Brutal Doom because SgtMarkIV is anti-SJW
Fuck off to /v/ with that shit, not everything in video games is about one group of retards on the internet vs the other.

>>3226542
>Just face it. You hate Brutal Doom because SgtMarkIV is anti-SJW, and you feel triggered with him.
>>>/v/

There's a difference between being anti-sjw, and a borderline neo nazi, as well as a prick to anyone who doesn't like your mod.

>>3226552
It isn't? I that that was all human interaction ever

i miss the janitor

>>3226562
You mean back when people were circle jerking around shit like daemonsteel and GMOTA? No thank you

>>3226562
Plot twist: The shitposters are the janitors.

>>3226542
Literally no one has mentioned Mark or SJW nonsense for the entire thread except you. This is such an obvious strawman shitpost that I'm impressed the nazimod hasn't already deleted half the thread.

>>3226565
What, and instead circlejerk about Brutal Doom or a map exactly like the fifteen million that came before it? Fuck off.

>>3226542
I don't have any problems with the mod but your strawmaning is not helping at all, it makes people who like it look like a pack of abrasive jackass when some of us just enjoy some juvenile fun and then go back to other mods

>>3226542
>Not necessary to use them at all and can be completely ignored, unlike in the Doom reboot
this is how we know you're speaking out of your ass about something you know fuckall about in an attempt at saving face.

>>3226581
Which ones

>>3226571
I'll take subtle nuanced tweeks over brutal dumb, I hope it's maker and all who enjoy I die of aids like the faggots they are

*Edits Doomguy's ass to be just a little bigger*

>>3226595

>>3226604

>>3226508
Yeah, that one is good.

>>3226604
>starting strength claims yet another victim

>>3226391
I like Doom because even the strongest weapon isn't overpowered, so even by the end of the game, you still use the starting shotgun.

The pistol is an exception though, I never found an use of it once you get the chaingun.

>>3226393
Isn't there an option to turn all the bullshit off in Mark's mod?

>>3226353
Oh.
Well, I'll just keep on shooting them in the chest.

>>3226565

What's wrong with those mods?

>>3226636
They're popular and Fun™ therefore the cool thing is to hate them.

>>3226565
Why is spotting a /v/fag so easy?

>>3226610
I'd like to see this as a weapon in Doom
Just swinging a gundam around like a hammer by it's ridiculous boner

>>3226660
Because a generation pass and now it's new comers pretending to be old /v/ by poor imitation

>>3226663
Now I'm imagining a doomgal game where you weaponis your assets in silly ways like this

>>3226678
No that's retarded. Like that sad dino doom doodle

>>3226542
The main criticism I think beautifier mods like Brutal Doom get is they add details that people filled in with their imagination, and when these details end up looking like nothing the person imagined, or they are stylistically different (increased amounts of gore) it can be alienating to play.

I think brutal doom gets unnecessarily shat on because its more about this phenomenon than any mechanic or politic. I think this and I don't even prefer to play it.

People have lost their sense of humor, they can't just accept some people don't like the same thing as them.

>just face it
Acting like you checkmated the guy because of different tastes

>>3226505
Have their arguments actually convinced you?

>>3226516
The only people who speak up are the ones with complaints, it seems positive posts like the ones having to do with my MIDI get drowned out in this weird arguments.

>>3226523
There is no wrong because Doom's greatness lay in its versatility, modfags and vanillafags must unite in peace.

>>3226476
I always enjoyed the build engine games to quake so I don't know what to tell you except download difficult levels that require you to use those weapons you say you like.

>>3226524
nice find!

>>3226693
Dino doom?

>>3226754
Doom, but with dinosaurs.

>>3226758
I like the sound of this.

Demons are cool and all but after awhile you get sick of them. Dinosaurs are always great

>>3226259
this is fun
hm, i think the caster's cooldown state is blocks your view a little too much, pushing a bit down and left could help.
also, the lines are wrong on all 3 weapons

other than that, it's all pretty good
maybe the weapons that don't use heat should have a different kind of gauge reflecting how much they can shoot (i still think they shouldn't use gauges that look the same as the heat one)
the canon still bothers me a little (if you move fast enough the red plasma ends up shooting pretty far away from the green)

oh, and the static gun is pretty much perfect
BFG is pretty cool too

Why is OpenGL mode (right) shitting up the colours here? GL is supposed to have truecolor, is it not?

So what the fuck's going on?

>>3225794
what wad

>>3226552
>>3226557
>>3226569
>>3226575
>>3226576

Its funny how you all responded to my post exclusively with ad-hominems, and no one made a mention to the objections I refuted. Your attitude just validates my post.