/vr/ - Retro Games

Is there a more obnoxious fanbase on /vr/ than the Doom turds?

>>3219749
No, but they are also right.

>>3219786
Right at what? Being casual little faggots that suck at FPS?

>>3219825
Right at that Doom is god tier and always will be and modern FPS are a joke.

>underaged on /v/ worship NuDoom and tell the real fans to fuck off
>have to go to /vr/ for real Doom discussion
It's not fair bros.

>>3219867
>doom babbies still think this is some great revelation that only they're aware of
dawwww

>>3219749
The ones who use the word Doombabies.

>>3219879
>doesn't think for himself either and parrots whatever the meme consensus happens to be at the time he's making the post.

So... just like what you're doing now?

Jurassic Park Trespasser.

>>3219879
I sometimes wonder how many general /vr posters are like this about old games, enjoying them as some sort of an act of rebellion against the modern culture of their fellow youths.

>>3219976
Nah, classic Doom fans are just racially-aware unlike their peers. Look at Dylan and Klebold for example.

>>3219986
>/pol/ never ceases to go full retard at any given opportunity

>>3219986
Eric and Dylan were fans back when the game had significantly more mainstream relevancy. I'm talking about posters on /vr today - and not just Doom.

Majora's Mask.

At the time of its release it was the most unsuccessful Zelda game ever, both critically and commercially. People just didn't get it.

>>3222501
>95 on Metacritic
>people didn't get it


If you're gonna spout random bullshit at least do a little research.

>>3219736
But they weren't ahead of their time. They were right within their time. The technology and concepts were in place, and a game was made. No game has ever been ahead of its time.

>>3219874
NuDoom is pretty badass though...

>>3219749
Read a Castlevania thread faggot.

>>3222515
>>3222501
I remember it getting bad reviews for a zelda game (as they were normally rated 9/10)

>>3222467
Came here to post this. Also, Ultima Underworld.

>>3222515
>Metacritic was around in 2000

>>3219874
>fans of a series would rather talk about the latest entry than the oldest ones

You don't say.

I, Robot.

>>3222515
>Metacritic


>in 2000

>>3222554
>>3222706
>>3222742

91% on gamerankings, which was around back then. Get cucked.

>>3222742
>>3222706

Metacritic launched in 1999 morons

>>3219749
Sonic fans

>>3222501
Seven leaf must be dead or something cuz this new one is stupider than the original. And that was one fucked up tranny.

>>3222887
Shhh don't tell the kids that. They wanna seem cool in thier secret club around the adults

>>3222925
"Stupider" isn't a word, you dumb fucking moron. I would make a comment about the irony if I didn't think it would cause your shriveled, pea-sized brain to start hurting.

>>3222925
Not dead, just dreaming.

>>3222706
It was in fact. On top of that it also compiles reviews from older magazines. It's a pretty good aggregate site.

>>3222545
While I don't think Doom was ahead of its time, I also don't think this is an accurate assessment of what the saying means, exactly. I think, if a game has a previously unseen concept or design or otherwise, and then shitloads of games after it never adopt it, but then it sees a revival and popularity later, that can be seen as "ahead of its time."

Or, perhaps, a game that was too ambitious for its resources, that might be trivial to do today. It's truly the "idea" that is ahead of its time, I think.

Would Strife count, for FPSes? Someone who's played it more would have to confirm or deny. iirc, nothing else before it had the blending of plot concepts with an FPS, and nothing after it for a few generations.

>>3223161
I would argue that Strife was ahead of its time. Introduced FPS/RPG hybrids, in game conversations, multiple endings and had 'cutscenes'. I like to think that it was the precursor to both System Shock 2 and Deus Ex

>>3222706
>>3222742
>unaware of metacritic's age
>doesn't understand what an aggregate is
>posts epic reaction pics

I don't know what's worse, the idea that there could be two of you or that you might have thought you were so clever you'd samefag

>>3222830
aw man i got cucked!!!! D:

>>3222501
it is a full price expansion pack for OOT and is worse in every single way. it deserves to be marginalized.

>Doom 4 gets released
>Suddenly a massive influx of /v/ babies that pretend to like classic Doom

>>3223192
Were you not aware that we have had a DOOM dick-sucking thread since literally day one of this board? It is the only enduring constant of /vr/ and you're attributing this to a game released merely days ago - fucking ridiculous.

>>3223178
It was me. I realized I said a dumb thing, and tried to backpedal out of it. It was wrong and I'll try to be more careful in the future.

>>3222549
>>3222909
They dont constantly shit doom threads all over the board (while fellating the game and trying to shove it down our throats, too) despite already having a general so no not even close.

>>3223636
I rarely see threads outsides of the generals themselves, though.

>>3219879
>parroting even more memes and projecting at the same time just because young people can enjoy an old game
Autism

>>3223642
Then you haven't been here very long... Even though just yesterday there were three doom threads up including thu1s one. One was deleted.

Doom faggots are shitters.

>>3223740
I've been here since this board was created, actually.

>three threads
Wow, its fucking nothing.

>>3223892
Then you're retarded fornot seeing he constant doom vomit all over he board. Typical doom shitter. You're probably too busy circle jerking in the general to notice anyway.

>>3219749
The babbyman.
Also Castlevania threads are needlessly divisive and tribalistic.

>>3219879
>screencapping your own posts
Have fun getting aspergers all over the carpet, I'll enjoy my vidya, you bitter cuck.

>>3219749
No.

>>3224064
Shit game.

>>3219736
tfw fps game didn't progress past this masterpiece.

they all tried but failed miserably. maybe half life was bit more, but still just an ok game.

literally 30 years of stagnation. and doom is still on top.

>>3219874
You should see the faggotry that is /r/doom

>>3222501
Ppl: casual scum friends who couldnt get past the first cycle

>>3222515
>>3222830
rekt. eat shit kiddies.

>>3222545
>>3223161

What's wrong with some of you people? Doom, even Wolfenstein, were ahead of their time. They literally couldn't exist on the technology using the standard techniques. They could only exist by exploiting hardware mechanics that an incredibly small number of people could have figured out. In this case, it was one guy who figured out both games, and Commander Keen before that, which was another game before it's time.

>>3224843
>They literally couldn't exist on the technology
Well obviously they could, because it released. You utter moron. No, they were both right within their time, not ahead.

>>3224852
No, you illiterate child, they could not exist, using the traditional techniques. Just because you are unable to understand the technological breakthroughs that John Carmack invented doesn't make them any less groundbreaking for PC gaming.

>>3224856
You sure are desperate to hype up something so completely within its time it's not even funny. Your vague rhetoric like "technological breakthroughs" are not compelling arguments, you dogmatic ideologue.

>>3224858
First, you explain to me specifically what John Carmack did, and then you explain to me why it was irrelevant.

The answer, of course, is that you have no fucking idea the magnitude of his work, because you don't even know what he did.

>>3224863
In other words, you have no argument. I'd say I was disappointed, but I honestly didn't expect much from you to begin with. Enjoy being wrong.

>>3224867
Yep, you haven't a clue, that's what I figured.

Let me guess, you're somewhere under 25 years old, possibly even under 20 years old, and because you played Super Mario Bros. once you think that makes you into the retro scene.

>>3224868
Oooohhh, you're gonna brag about being an old fart now? I was wrong, I am disappointed in you after all. I at least expected more than this. Pathetic.

>>3224875
I doubt he's an old fart. He sounds like a typical tryhard doom baby.
>Let me guess, you're somewhere under 25 years old, possibly even under 20 years old, and because you played Super Mario Bros. once you think that makes you into the retro scene.
is a projection if I've ever heard one.

>>3224875
Oh wow, you're under 20, nailed it.

It's sad that you're so willing to dismiss the work of geniuses like Carmack. See, what you can't understand is that without his work, the games that came afterward wouldn't have existed for years. That makes those games ahead of their time.

This is like if Einstein hadn't existed. His theories wouldn't have existed by regular men for decades, if not longer, which would have changed the history of mankind.

There are some people in this world who can make things happen that otherwise can't.

>>3224879
You overestimate the genius of Einstein. Much of his work had already been formulated by other scientists. He stood on the shoulders of giants.

>>3224887
How did I know that you'd downplay even Einstein, a man whose very brainmatter was different than the average man, and whose theories have taken decades to even begin to try to prove.

Obvious troll is obvious now.

>>3224892
I suppose you haven't heard about the relativity priority dispute then.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll!

>>3224910
You were wrong about the video games you've never played and now you're trying to change the conversation into something that doesn't even belong in the general, because your teacher happened to mention it today in class.

Go do your homework, you don't belong here.

>>3224887
>being this pretentious

>>3224913
Christ, you are infantile. Don't respond to me unless you have an actual argument next time, you insecure crybaby.

>>3224926
The only infant here is the self-admitted teenager who refused to answer my initial question on why Carmack's work was irrelevant to gaming, making an amazingly laughable deflection into an unrelated topic to avoid it.

Answer it, or fuck off back to mommy.

>>3224931
You were the one who brought up Einstein, nigger.

>>3224937
You can't follow a conversation at all, can you? What grade are you really in? I'm genuinely curious at this point. Now I'm thinking you're closer to 16.

Einstein is a comparison to how intelligent men advance technology beyond what the average man can do. John Carmack's work equates to this in terms of computer gaming, because it had never been done before that, and was barely replicated after that for quite a while.

So now, for the third time, explain to me how what he did was so irrelevant.

>>3224940
When did I say what he did was irrelevant?

>>3224945
>I don't know what he's talking about, I better split hairs and keep avoiding this conversation

>>3224950
That's not an argument. Point me to where I said that what he did was irrelevant.

>>3224953
It's an argument, because you're being petulant. You adamantly dismissed the relevance or importance of the games Carmack developed.

It's brilliant and complex, More a real time civ than age of empires clone as many see it as

>>3224958
You're trying really hard to avoid the topic I see. Must be rough for you knowing how wrong you are.

>>3224967
This is a bad troll answer, kid.

The point is, I literally answered where you proclaimed his work irrelevant. I literally challenged you multiple times to prove to me why what he did wasn't before it's time. You have yet to say anything, whatsoever, about the technological aspects of the man's work.

If your next reply contains the same amount of tears then I'm going to let you get back to your homework. Lord knows you need something to fill that empty melon on your head.

>>3224978
>where you proclaimed his work irrelevant
Which post was that? Point me to it, please. I don't appreciate you stramanning me, I find it very disrespectful.

>>3224978
If you're really a grown man I feel very sorry for you :^)

>>3224989
>samefagging this hard

>>3224980
>going in circles to avoid the question for the fifth time

You successfully ruined the thread. I'm sure you'll take pride in that, since you seem to have little else going for you. Have fun, kid, I'm out.

>>3224995
What, so you're just gonna strawman me and leave? You are just the rudest man.

>>3224995
lol sure you fucking loser

>>3224995
>You successfully ruined the thread.
nobody was forcing you to reply to him though

take some responsibility for your actions you silly manchild

>implying you're not 18

>>3219874
>enjoy both
>laugh at you autistic losers

Red Alert

>>3219874

people like the new Doom?

>>3219874

>be underage faggot
>pretend to like retro shit
>rag on anything not

Don't be that faggot

>>3222720
You guys better get ready because Doom 3 is about to become retro

>>3222721
Absolutely this!
Made by bad ass programmers.

I'm ahead of my time.
Women won't want me until I'm rotting in a grave.

60 fps on a full 3d game

>>3228082
Is already "retro".
1) It seems many forgot the huge backlash the game got, and is still fair, heck I was listening the other day giving his mind about it Romero, mentioning how predictable he was and that's just one thing.
Is like a corporate product result, where they come in and say that it has to be X Y Z but while being J K W

What's the point of being fast when is all tight corridors, why the hell there's no torch/flashlight on guns, why even have the stamina if you are never given the occasion to run out of it, why guns feel so weak, what's up with the samey color scheme when in Doom 1 they purposely avoided that...well whatever there is no need to go for the whole list

2) Sadly, is actually better than many modern FPS that came before, no regen health, no cinematic bullshit, (well sometimes it happens though) you can carry all the guns, you can run more than 5 seconds and the map while being mostly linear it still carry that vibe of being in an actual place you can freely explore to a degree.

>>3224064
I really do think Hexen is a good game (even having played the N64 version first) but I would not at all suggest that this game was "ahead of its time" - it's basically a dark fantasy expansion pack for Doom, great execution though.

>>3229621
Does it achieve that on the Saturn? Or only the arcade version?

Still neat either way.

I bought the "Saturn Racer" or whatever that race wheel was called just for this game. Fantastic soundtrack too.

>>3230741
>it's basically a dark fantasy expansion pack for Doom
That more describes Heretic, though.

A Lovecraftian horror prototype to System Shock with survival horror elements.

>>3230817
>exclusively for Apple Macintosh personal computers.
Well, so long, goodbye.

>>3230870
Basilisk II bro

>>3224962
you also didn't bother mentioning its name.
It was a pretty entertaining and well done game though, agreed

>>3219736
it wasn't ahead of its time. 'ahead of its time' implies that people didn't get the game at release but it was understood later. neither of these really apply to doom as the game obviously was hugely successful when it came out. the original game does have a niche following now but the number of people playing it is dwarfed by fans of modern AAA fps games like COD, Destiny and what have you. furthermore, doom's legacy is sustained by its source code release, modern source ports and modding tools. if you could only play the game at its original settings (320x200 and 35fps) without source ports and mods there would be even fewer people still playing it. you show the majority of modern gamers doom today - especially in its original form - and most of them would find it extremely archaic, 'old and busted'.

was it a hugely influential and important game? of course. did john carmack's engines shape the entire landscape of FPS games? no shit. but ahead of it's time? not by definition and it's retarded to say that. the doom style shooter had its time and place but it's obviously not the standard anymore and it hasn't been since like '98.

>>3225550
It's a pretty decent game honestly. It's more faithful to the original doom than doom 3 was.

>>3223161
>>3222545
Sorry but the very definition for that expression are things that surpass the standards of their time. Games like Doom qualify because they were so impressive as to define a whole era of gaming.

>>3231148
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ahead-of-one's-or-its-time

>>3219874
>have to go to /vr/ to discuss /vr/ topics
I know that feel. Just the other day I tried to talk about CS:GO on /a/ and they told me to fuck off.

>>3222930
Shut the fuck up asshole before I lick the shit out of you.

>>3234447
>Shut the fuck up asshole before I lick the shit out of you.

Is that really the choice of words you're going with?

>>3234013
I played CT for the first time last year. Just thinking about it fills me with pure comfyness. It's one of those few games where I actually gave a shit about some pixel people's pixelated lives.

To stay on topic: it was not ahead of it's time, imho. CT is the Blizzard game of JRPGs. They took what's good in the genre, simplified it, added their own touch and there you go.

WANT TO TRY A GAME OF LUCKY HIT?

>>3219736
>pic unrelated

>>3222721
Possibly the most underrated game. Not only is it incredible from a technology standpoint (at that time), it's also a good game

>>3224879
This just in: Ideas are built on top of other ideas!

More at 11!

>>3219736

Fig. having ideas or attitudes that are too advanced to be acceptable in the present. (*Typically: be ~; think ~.)


Doom was very acceptable, that's why it became such a hit.

Strife like mentioned before was ahead of its time because it did something people did not accept yet.
people were not ready for it yet. thus it was ahead of its time.

System Shock was ahead of its time because it introduced gameplay mechanics that people were not ready for yet, they just wanted mindless doom clones.

Doom.. was not only perfectly on time it rode the wave of being on time.

>>3234013

You must have been born after 2000, Chrono Trigger at its release was a huge hit.
it did everything that was done before and made it so much better.
Chrono Trigger was to RPG's what doom was to Wolfenstein 3D.

And before someone decides to mention Earthbound, no.. that one was also accepted as a great rpg.
it wasn't the hit that Chrono Trigger was, but it was still considered a very good game.

Just because millennials have somehow embraced the game as the 2nd coming doesn't suddenly mean we didn't like it back then.

>>3234447

That seems very appealing, can.. can I also get that treatment?

>>3237878
Strife and System Shock sure were ahead of their time, all right -- by creating fucking pretentious, overblown, story-heavy piles of goddamn shit that fucked over good gameplay. Just like modern games!

Doom wasn't "ahead of its time", it is fucking timeless. Brilliant design and gameplay will never fucking die even when surrounded by the piles of shit that is modern gaming.

>>3235118

I completely agree. Something about the graphics and the settings it puts you in makes it one of the most comfy games ever. I bought it back when it came out, and I still play through it about once a year.

>>3237908

>modern gaming
>piles of shit

Gramps, please calm down.

Test Drive 3 (1990)

>Full open world 3D game (almost)
>During an era where we had stuff like Outrun and Crazy Cars
>You can change routes
>It rains
>it snows
>Day and night cycle
>full 3D buildings
>water
>boats on the water
>Its a living world with cars on the road (and cops)
>Planes
>Trains
>Trees

For 1990 this was fucking epic, such freedom.
its like comparing Driver to GTA3.

Sadly the car handling was a horrible mess, otherwise it would have been a very fun game that gave you a lot of freedom.

Imo a game that defines "ahead of its time".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zZZn8wy4E

>>3237961
You're the dude whose favorite game is OutRun. I can tell. You're a good poster.

Delta Force was a realistic modern military fps before the genre got really popular.

>>3230817
>Pathways into darkness
My eternal nigger

I'd say Immercenary was ahead of its time. It feels like a prediction of games to come in the 10 years after its release.

>>3237961
In that same year Stunts came out. Same polygonal graphics, comparably sized maps. Only, you could tell what's going on, your car physics worked, and it had a track editor

And fucking how. Basic things like NPC scheduling didn't take off until a decade later and U7 STILL has one of the most interactive worlds.

>>3239153
shame about the fucked up visuals though

Myth:The Fallen Lords was really ahead of it's time when it came to RTTs :
>fully 3d environments, camera can be rotated around
>environmental effects, like rain and wind affect the flight of projectiles
>physics play a big part in the game
>fires spread according to the terrain type

>>3222706
my boner...

This game IMO

>>3242336

Came out 7 years after Starglider, ahead of its time? moar liek behind the times.

>>3242336
>>3242398

>>3242846
What system was top game on

>>3242873

Looks like the Arcade version of Galaxy Force II
And yes, it was doing it way before Nintendo's Starfox. (like 9 years earlier)

>noes, starfox was aheads of teh times!

kek

>>3242873
Looks like the Arcade version of Galaxy Force II
And yes, it was doing it way before Nintendo's Starfox 64. (like 9 years earlier) (and 5 years before the original starfox)

Starfox is a good game, but it was a late comer to the genre.

If only Dana Plato were alive to see how she helped revolutionize gaming

>>3243964
No disrespect to her, but what the fuck did Nighttrap revolutionize?

Elite deserves a record for "most failed attempts at a spiritual successor".

>>3224995
I read through your whole bitch fit.

I, anonymous user who you will never meet declare you to be the child. Your posts are an extremly frustating thing to read and you need to learn that throwing insults for no reason does not make you right.

>>3244530
Rating systems.

>>3237928
ridiculous...
Unreal tournament would be more accurate because of the vehicles and the shooting and the futuristic crap (I believe all of that was stolen by Halo).

Also, this game.

>>3223967
Absolutely.

3D Open World Sandbox long before GTA3 & Co.

>Daggerfall isn't mentioned yet

One of the most ambitious RPGs of all time, and some of it's (planned) features are still ahead of what RPGs are today.

>>3245396
It was definitely ambitious, but honestly too much for it's own good. I'm surprised Bethesda, a small company at the time did what they did to make it somewhat work.

>>3245119
hi

>>3245417
>I'm surprised Bethesda, a small company at the time did what they did to make it somewhat work
why? Why do people expect developers to make shit games, and are surprised if someone actually has some ambition? If anything, we can blame other devs, and blame them hard, for stalling the RPG genre so badly. Daggerfall was a clear sign that it does not take endless cutscenes and a huge budget to make a very involved RPG. Everything past Daggerfall was RPG devs giving people the finger

>>3246298
They had ambition, but the fact they actually did it with some success(expansive but admittedly buggy) I think is great. Ambition for a small company is quite a gamble, a small company that at the time wasn't the best financially either at that.

>>3246550
>They had ambition, but
why "but"?
The thing is, Daggerfall worked because they actually attempted it. No other developer, including present day Bethesda, has the balls to actually do it. Daggerfall is the ultimate template for a computer RPG, where the computer takes on the role of a DM, instead of a narrator. Conceptually Daggerfall is very simple, and I'm quite sure even code-wise it's not exactly deep. I can not imagine a scenario where a company attempts such a game and does not succeed to some degree. It's just that nobody is attempting it, which is really frustrating.

>quite a gamble
How so? You think it was exceptionally expensive to do a game that way? It wasn't. It's just a different design approach, one that acknowledges the role of the computer, instead of letting people write out every single detail.

>>3245119
It's a shit game but it's funny to point out how there was an open word "3D GTA" -like Batman game already on playstation 1, long before Batman: Arkham City or even GTA III.

>>3246874

>>3247318
>1999: Mobil 1 Rally Championship
>650km of actual rally stages, many of which are 20km or longer

>2015: Dirt Rally
>about 120km of made up 'stages', none longer than 10km

>>3236396
b-but Lucky hit was in the second game.

>>3244656
>vehicles in Unreal Tournament
What?
I know Codename: Eagle had them but I didn't know about Unreal.

Sentient

>1997
>3D 'ask about X' RPG
>Every NPC has facial expressions depending on mood
>Dialogue with NPCs with different inflections long before Mass Effect made it cool
>Game world passes in real time
>NPCs have jobs and move to different areas depending on the time

Shame it all came together in a bit of a mess.

>>3244624
>samefagging
>days after the fact

School's out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTehcvSgyWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyjyWUrHsFc

>>3248231

>>3244656
runescape was good for its time, but it was web browser everquest. it wasn't ahead of its time in any way (runescape 2 released in the same year as world of warcraft)
>>3222501
the most unsuccessful zelda game that was still very successful. that's like saying a movie sequel was unsuccessful because the original made 500 million and the sequel made 400 million with nothing else considered.

ocarina of time was way more important than majora's mask anyways. there's no way you can seriously debate this fact..

>>3224109
quake blows doom the fuck out

>>3222501
How is exactly Majora's Mask "ahead of its time" ? The only thing he does more than OoT is the NPCs and their schedules, which not only isn't exactly something that became a norm in video games, but was done by La Abadia Del Crimen in 1987, a decade earlier.

And even as far as OoT is concerned, its 3D isn't "ahead of its time", but rather on par with its time, and pretty much everything it does was done by other games before, it only borrows plenty of cool elements and put them in the same package.

Just stop it with OoT and MM. You can say that you love those games, but that doesn't make them groundbreaking, and claiming that only shows how closeminded your "console only" perception of retro games is.

Vette - 1989 - ultimate ancestor of gta - open world san francisco

>>3251083
TES: Arena

>>3224109
>tfw fps game didn't progress past this masterpiece.

FPS wasn't even invented until Quake, son. Up until then they were all "Doom clones." And also as >>3249290 says, Quake was a technical marvel by comparison, even if you didn't like its design.

anyone have the picture with list of awesome/essential Doom 2 WADS or whatever theyre called? I haven't played anything but a few levels of the original and I wanna get into it.

Released the same year as Doom 2.

>>3222706

GOOD

>>3247293
Remember when a /jp/ederast exploded because a guy played it and said it was shoddy, yet impressive, because OP had the gall to say the controls were clunky?

>>3224109
I suck off Doom something fierce but PLEASE stop.

>>3251083
That shit was my jam (also 3000)
Since EA killed Sim City, I kinda wish there was a grittier and more obscene version of Sim City, with gun stores, liquour stores, strip clubs, red light districts, the chance to partake in political corruption.

Not in a grim and serious way, but more of a 2000AD manner, like, the Saint's Row of city simulators, where really dumb and silly shit happens.
Like, corporate shenanigans and reckless endangerment lead to a zombie outbreak, with an entire neighborhood quarantined, and you have to reach some absurd solution, probably through some illegal and/or immoral means.

>>3251106
Come and ask in the /doom/ thread.

>>3251083

If anything the original Sim City was ahead of its time, SC2000 just improved on an already existing game.

Mentioning SC2000 is like saying Super Street Fighter II was ahead of its time.

>>3249326
How much more tryhard could you be?

>>3253886
The original game maybe, followed by the Famicom port.
The NES port was pants.

>>3249290
>>3224109
AHEM
Y'all better duck. Cause i don't want this games dick to slap you when it turns left.
Duke Nukem 3D IS the first person shooter distilled into a package so fucking amazing, it helped influence the entire industry going forward.
DN3D is the shooter to end all shooters.

>>3258360
It got steamrolled by Quake, which single-handedly supplanted not only Duke's momentum, but the Build engine entirely. Quake also invented the arena shooter, capture the flag, team fortress, and is the first game to be recognized as a "first-person shooter" as opposed to "Doom clone."

Duke3D is, if anything, a victim of circumstance; certainly not ahead of its time.

>>3248231
Came to post this, interesting game and I wish so badly it was made better.

Even the Japanese think Wolfenstein 3D was better than Doom.

>>3258490
You realize those translations are a load of bullshit, right?

>>3258490
retard

>>3230741
The hub world is the only thing remotely 'ahead of it's time'
I don't remember that many games (if any) that did the hub world thing before Hexen

The Ultima series of games were ahead of their times.

>>3234447

>>3239153
I can't imagine myself ever wanting to play this game but I'll have to cave and say Ultima games were very good at innovating the genre.

>>3258360
I only had the shitty N64 version and I still thought this game was the coolest shit.

>>3258516
Chakan had a hub and I'd be surprised if it were the first

>>3251094
What was it ahead off?

>>3249179
You should make one with "happening"

>>3258360
Doom is my favorite, but Duke is undeniably a kickass game and a must play.

>>3258485
>It got steamrolled by Quake
I like Quake, but it's honestly not as fun and varied as Duke, the worlds are cool, but they're also very empty feeling, Duke feels a bit more alive, being partially based on real environments, but with fantastical spins.

>Quake also invented the arena shooter, capture the flag, team fortress,
True (though I was never huge on MP outside of team based games).

>and is the first game to be recognized as a "first-person shooter" as opposed to "Doom clone."
Yet ironically, it got retooled into what was basically a Doom 2.7 due to Romero's meandering and them deciding to just rush into taking the safe road they knew to meet the release date.

In terms of style and gameplay, Quake is much closer to Doom than Duke.

And at that, Doom clone was just a dumb phrase used before First Person Shooter entered the general vernacular, Duke is an FPS in every sense of the word.

If you want to see a game which is quite literally a clone, look at Gloom for the Amiga, THAT was a shameless ripoff of Doom

>>3225550
why wouldn't you? It's like the old stuff got a makeover and incorporated Brutal Doom

>>3260610
>and incorporated Brutal Doom
That's why you wouldn't

>>3260628
you didn't like Brutal?

y tho

>>3225550
People LOVE the new Doom.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/doom

For new doom, the Revenant was really the focus for like a year, before we saw doom guy, I read here somewhere that it was another sign that the devs were centering on doom memes but I dont remember that one (about the revenant). Brutal doom got some good coverage on gaming sites so that one wasn't all that surprising. I wonder if there are any more.

>>3258485
>It got steamrolled by Quake, which single-handedly supplanted not only Duke's momentum, but the Build engine entirely.

This is not true, the FPS genre was pretty much split in two with Quake on one side and Duke on the other. Build games kept being released after Quake and were doing very well, up until the end 1998.

Also Build games, and Duke in particular, had the advantage of demanding lower minimum specs requirements. You needed a recent computer to run Quake, not everyone had it.

Finally Duke's multiplayer was huge, both online and in internet coffee places, the ones I knew had Duke in lan, not Quake.
As for CTF, AFAIK it was not "Quake" which invented CTF but Quake modders, which makes a pretty big difference. I could be wrong but, AFAIK, the first game with an official (non mod) CTF mode was Shadow Warrior.

>certainly not ahead of its time.

As far as FPS are concerned it innovated by incorporating real life places you can project into, while keeping the Doom-era level design and gameplay.

But most importantly, it was the interactivity that mattered in Duke and which made it stand out, on top of all the cool effects you could trigger or witness in the game. Seeing huge explosions that take down entire buildings, sectors moving in crazy ways, being able to take a piss or play pool, was amazing for the time.

In comparison Quake's levels are completely abstract (the add-ons are better in that regard though), the game was barebones, and there isn't even an "action" key, which says it all...

>>3224405
me

>>3219736
Is there any game in first person with rated Kids to Adults (K-A) or E for Everyone by the ESRB?

>>3219736
I wouldn't say it was ahead of it's time, I'd say it was exactly in its time - after Wolf3D and before Quake. First System Shock would be a much better example, that or Gun Buster - which is first FPS that let you freely aim using "twin stick" control scheme (with separate controls for moving and aiming), released in arcades like two months after Wolf3D, and years before Quake when separate controls for aiming and walking would become standard (mind you, it wasn't exactly mouselook - you were basically playing Wolf, and used a light gun to shoot anywhere within what you were seeing on screen - so kind of like a cross between a Wolf3D clone with a light gun shooter, that allowed you to freely choose your viewpoint).

Oh, and it also had fully texture mapped walls and ceilings, and animated sky textures - a year before Doom.

>>3219736
>pic unrelated

>>3225550
Yes, it's getting a lot of critical praise for being fairly good and not a generic modern military shooter.
The game kind of springs off from Doom 64 of all things, and it takes a bunch of good cues from older fantastical shooters, it isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a step in the right direction, especially given that expectations from long time fans had been mixed to low.

Personally, I barely expected it to be better than Doom 3 (which I thought was kind of ok), but it"s way better.

The multiplayer seems very lukewarm though (I haven't tried that), but snapmap is surprisingly not too shabby as console software (it remains to be seen if we'll get real modding tools).

>>3260628
At most it takes a cue with the glory kills, except they're done way better.
It also doesm't have the tremendeously bad sound design of Brudl Deum.

>>3260630
It's kind of mediocre IMO, also it's not for everyone.

Definitely Scud race

I know it is essentially just Daytona on drugs, but those graphics still hold up

>>3260769
The Noahs Ark game on SNES

>>3261601
What's mediocre about it? Do you not like the akimbo assault rifles or something?

>>3219736

>>3261984
It's just a visual novel, a pretty good yet overrated as fuck one, but it's a visual novel none the less

>>3262006
Yes, but it has some pretty neat things that seems atypical for the time, like the way new lines of dialog will appear to nudge you in the right direction if you keep going in circles, etc.

>>3261652

That was an unlicensed game so it wasn't rated. It also may have been made before ESRB existed.

Chex Quest games may have been rated.

>>3258017
The Famicom port was pretty bad, but at least it didn't come out in 1990.

>>3261702
I haven't played the absolute latest one, but I'll name some things.
The sound design is really bad, everything sounds unpleasant or awful.

The code is an unoptimized mess, and the silly gore is taxing on the already poorly optimized GZDoom engine, if your machine isn't high end, it'll run like shit.

A lot of things as how they work are crude hacks, 3D models used for blood spots in crushing ceilings will not adjust to height for example, and they'll overlap over steps of stairs and platform so you have them floating partially in the air.

The aesthetic design is good in some ways, and really bad in others, a bunch of it clashes.
The abuse of particle effects and smoke is fucking annoying as shit and doesn't look good, I hate how the explosions look.
The shotgun has this really silly and awkward looking reload where you put in each shell in a cartoonishly rapid fashion.
The Aliens muzzleflashes are honestly not very appealing.

The gameplay has some neat features, and some annoying features.
Half dead monsters making noise or crawling about is annoying and a waste of my time, this detail almost feels disturbing in it's inclusion.
Shooting the gory remnants of dead enemies is pointless and sometimes the gore gets in the way of what you're trying to shoot at.

Basically, for every one thing it does well, it does two or three other things not so well or outright terribly.