/vr/ - Retro Games

And a Magical webm and youtube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Nd5rI1tVs

alternating moe

old battlestation blues

i'm picking up this pvm and was wondering how i play it on a ntsc nes/snes? it looks like the standard yellow cable from composite wont fit in the video in. also, am i correct in assuming its mono sound? do i absolutely need svideo?

>>3208310
Not retro.
>>3208305
BNC connector. Read a book, Google, etc.>>3208263

>>3208305
>standard yellow cable from composite wont fit in the video in
You need a female RCA - male BNC adapter.

>am i correct in assuming its mono sound?
Depends on your specific model but most are mono. You can connect the audio out to an amplifier or stereo system

>do i absolutely need svideo?
That would be the best option

>>3208305
bnc to rca adapter for composite. Yes you need s-video, it's way better.

Easy/cheap stereo solution is one of these and some cheapo Logitech pc speakers, ones with a headphone jack are good choice

>>3208316
what if i said there was a psx game in there that hadn't booted yet

>>3208335
Still a picture of nonretro trash.

>>3208318
>female RCA - male BNC adapter
hows this? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/BNC-Female-Plug-to-RCA-Male-Jack-Coax-Cable-Adapter-Connector-Coupler-CCTV-Video-/141348993836?hash=item20e90e7b2c:g:TVYAAOSwhh5Tnq-s
>>3208318
>>3208330
but for nes it will still work with composite in pic related if i get that adapter?

>>3208342
>hows this?
That's the one you need but you may get it cheaper locally.

The NES only outputs composite without a pretty extensive modification.

>>3208342
yup, connect the adapter to the tv then plug the rca cable in. get an ihome or anything though pvm speakers are the worst

obligatory unicorn pic, someday someone will post pics of one and I will faint

>>3208342
Yeah you'll need that adapter to use composite video. NES games will look great on that PVM. For SNES, PS1 ect. get yourself some s-video cables

>>3208352
iwanttobelieve.jpg

there have been some p. rare sets posted in these threads. one guy in arizona i think had a brionvega doney, I remember someone else had an RCA Dimensia, and someone in i think Seattle found a real Pro-Feel Pro in a local shop

>>3208349
>>3208352
>>3208361
awesome, thanks. will post pics once everythings here.

I've been getting into PC98 and DOS emulation recently. Really makes me regret throwing away my CRT VGA monitor.

Anyone here connected their PC to their CRT TV?

>>3208367
these were probably rare when new and torn down for scrap or just junked. at 440lb its heavier than a large fridge so finding one is prob zero percent.
>>3208492
some posters do, you need a soft 15hz compatible gpu iirc

heres some scanlines on my 35" mitsubishi console tv,

>>3208352
>Sony officials say they hope to sell 80 of the sets by the end of 1990. This may make us average mopes, squinting haplessly at the scan lines and crawling dots on our cheapo TV sets, wonder if a $40,000 TV set isn't just some gross stunt similar to the world's longest sausage that showed up in the news recently.

>>3208342
>How's this?
The right thing but expensive, you can get 10 for that price from China. Also I'd invest in a snes multi out to svideo rather than getting composite to work as it would be a much better picture

>>3208513
>Sony imported approximately 20 of these hand-constructed jumbo sets and placed them in 10 dealerships nationwide two months ago.

20 imported in 1989 there might be one somewhere.

Could you imagine the glory of a 45" multiscan pvm? I would walk across the shattered screens of 1000 crts just to bask in the warm glow.

>>3208574
at 450 pounds i bet theyre sitting in the abandoned dealerships they arrived in or the dealerships paid someone to dump it for them.

>>3208590
We know one went to Chicago from the article, can crt find even a picture of one? Did sony meet their sales goal of 80 or were the original 20 the only ones? I gotta hit the sack but I will continue tomorrow. I'll try calling the store from the article (it's still in business) but I doubt there is any images or even employee's that were there in 1990. I'll also email the columnist that wrote for Chicago tribune

why do you waste money on this things? blurry with bad brightness and screen lines

>>3208661
some for no lag, some for scanlines, i do it for the AESTHETIC

this tv looks cool, your tv looks like an oversized tablet

>>3208669
>36''
It's probably pretty horrible too, but it still looks good.

>>3208673
>>3208506
>heres some scanlines on my 35" mitsubishi console tv,

you couldn't put the two and two together m8?

>>3208680
Whoops, missed that post, sorry mate. It's not bad at all actually.

>>3208669
my friend georg became blind from the exploding crt

>>3208661
Try better to hide your newfaggotry next time. No one calls scanlines "screen lines".

>>3208683
I was surprised pretty fuckin tits for 1989
it even had the original remote and all the paperwork it was $1800 back then

>>3208695
i am not homosexual

>>3208691
>CRT
>exploding

>>3208704
thanks. we are wanting to have new technologies which will give georg his sight again but they will be expensive

>>3208691
they are under a high vacuum, they implode
>>3208669
is 260lbs though, it will crush ur fuckin skull if it fell on you

>>3208661
>blurry

you jest

>>3208305

As others said you need a BNC->RCA adapter. The comb filter on that model isn't so great so S-VIDEO is highly recommended. As to why you'd even bother using the internal speaker...

>>3208669
>I do it for all the wrong reasons
Fucking hipster trash.

>>3208305
>do i absolutely need svideo?
For many systems, it's just a matter of buying an s-video came on ebay or whatever. It's a world of difference, but I suppose if you don't think you'll care, why bother?

Watch out, though. 20L5 guy will get triggered that you're buying cables instead of drilling holes in your system and shit to pull s-video directly from the PPU, even though it outputs the signal naturally.

>>3208349
>The NES only outputs composite without a pretty extensive modification.
Also RF.
And you mean 'the NES only outputs composite unless you replicate the functionality of the PPU in a FPGA'.

NTSC is the very most it ever generates, even internally, as a normal NES.

>>3208342
If you want cheap and/or can't find them locally, they're $1.00 on monoprice. http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=4121

>>3208669
Hi volvo bro.
I fucking love the TV :D

A bit big for my living conditions, but it still looks pretty damn great.

I actually wonder if it might have internal RGB connections on the back like Kya's mitsubishi, just not exposed on the back since it's an american consumer set.

I can dream, anyway, can't I?

>>3208305
You do want s-video but it's unimportant for the NES since it won't output it (unless you have nearly $100 and don't care about color accuracy very much).

>>3208316
>not retro.
No one fucking cares.

>>3208272
>No bully senpais. i was using a tripod, my camera is an ELPH160.
Wasn't bullying, was making suggestions on shooting. The flash really kills CRT photos.

Were you using manual exposure settings?
I took my 480p photos in the last thread with the older SX160 IS.

For those of you in the Chicagoland area, I have a 50 inch tube that does s-video & has speaker jacks in the back if any of you are interested. will probably be getting the exact model number & some pictures posted soon if anyone's interested.

Amiga 1080 here.
>>3208109
Yeah, that color problem is really weird because I feel like it shows up selectively, maybe only on certain colors. How do I fix?

Also, I know creating my own cables is optimal, but lets just say I really wanted pre-made stuff, would combining these two work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5m-D-Sub-DB-9-Female-to-DB-25-Pin-Male-Serial-Modem-To-PC-Data-Cable-Cable-/281914754546
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/audio-video-accessories/sony-pvm-scart-converter

>>3209087
First I'd degauss the screen if it doesn't do it already.

Then if it's not fixed I'd display solid red, green, and blue colors on the screen (8 bit RGB values 0xFF0000, 0x00FF00, and 0x0000FF) and loosen the deflection yoke and wiggle it until purity cleans up for each of the three colors.

Then you'll need to fix convergence which will surely be ruined cleaning up purity - again repositioning the yoke.

You need to find a spot that is both pure and converged. The rings on the neck of the tube can be rotated to adjust convergence.

I'll try to post more info and maybe pics when work is done. But try degaussing first - maybe even a separate degaussing wand.

>>3209082
>50 inch tube
>projection TV (or widescreen hdtv)
Nope.

Why do RGB monitors often have fans inside them but TV CRTs don't?

Are there any CRT TVs that have fans in them?

Are there any RGB monitors that don't have fans in them?
How can I tell if an RGB monitor has fans or not without being there to turn it on? Is it based on size?

Does the 43" grail PVM have fans in it?

Why is the 43" grail PVM so heavy? (36" flatscreen Trinitron CRT TVs only weigh 218lbs)

>>3209271
>Why do RGB monitors often have fans inside them but TV CRTs don't?
They're used in more cramped conditions where there are a lot of other electronics shitting out heat, and as such have fans to hopefully move hot air away from components and lengthen their life span.

>Are there any RGB monitors that don't have fans in them?
Most all PVMs, and BVMs that don't have SDI modules installed.

>Does the 43" grail PVM have fans in it?
Likely


>Why is the 43" grail PVM so heavy?
The larger a tube gets, the more it takes for the glass to endure and maintain the vacuum inside without failing. This increases exponentially, and as such when you get up towards the limits of what can be conceivably done, it gets a bit ridiculous. It also likely has considerably more electronics and discrete boards floating around inside what is almost definitely an all metal construction, rather than the mostly plastic make up of consumer models.

>>3209296
What is an SDI module and why does it get so hot if it only does 480i?
If you remove the SDI modules will the display still work and can you then disconnect the fans to reduce unwanted noise?

Why didn't they make RGB monitors out of plastic instead of metal to reduce weight considering so many of them were mounted to ceilings?

>>3208305
you can use svideo with that. also not relating to your pvm but i used to have a snes back in the day that i hooked up to the tv where the coax cable usually went for cable tv. does anyone know what connection i was using? it was just for consumer tvs. i have no clue where the cable came from, i always just had it back when i still had a snes.

>>3209039
>Also RF.
RF is modulated composite

>And you mean 'the NES only outputs composite unless you replicate the functionality of the PPU in a FPGA'.
Bypassing the PPu is a pretty extensive modification.

>>3209409
that's RF aka the worst quality possible

>>3209478
ah. yeah this was ages ago and we had tvs with no rca connections.

>>3208916
I like crts for other reasons, I own 5, I bought this one for the looks fite me B)

>>3209068
I will pull the back cover when my daughter isn't around, thanks for the tip on the 32" FD trinitron, it did work after a good cleaning but I gave it away when I picked the mitsubishi up.

>>3209184
thats whaqt I was thinking I thought the mitsu 40" sd and sony XBR40 hdcrt were the biggest readily available consumer sets.


>>3209364
and a 27" only weighs 99lbs see the pattern?

>>3209485
I know the pain, it was exactly a year after I got my snes until I got a tv with composite inputs.

>>3209586
27" sony 24" samsung and a 20" Sanyo. All YpbPr sets

The Sanyo had a great picture, they may have went to shit later but they were good back in the crt days

>>3209039
>NTSC is the very most it ever generates, even internally, as a normal NES.

Isn't S-video NTSC? Can you pull S-video from the pins on a NES video encoder chip?

>>3209775
NES has no encoder, it directly generates a composite video signal.

Just did a test with my HDTV that someone posted online to test if my tv is compatible with 240p signals. Is this a pass?

>>3209181
Think I could get away with using some strong kitchen magnets I have? Also is adjusting yoke and convergence all that dangerous? After some searching it sounds simply enough, I'm just wondering how dangerous it is, and even better, how to get in the damn case. Any ideas? Should I remove those feet things?

>>3209841

>opening a crt & messing with it
>messing with a crt with fucking magnets

You're either going to kill yourself or destroy your CRT. Maybe both.

Jesus fuck. Look how sharp these pixels are when I force 240p. Now if only I could get it to work when I unplug the cable that makes it go from component to composite.

>>3209364
The SDI module is one of the input boards that can be found in a BVM. "Serial Digital Interface", and they can be for either SD or HD signals; They just tend to get quite hot for what ever reason, and have fans to deal with said heat. They're of no use for retro games, so you really wouldn't need one installed to begin with.

And the reason they aren't made of plastic is due to the environment they're used in. A decent amount of the metal is shielding to keep out errant EMI that may be in the area. That and expecting plastic to properly support your 300+lb, multiple thousand dollar equipment isn't the brightest of ideas.

>>3209827
>>3209862
I really want to help you even if it's not CRT related, but can you actually tell us what the whack are you supposed to be doing? And how exactly are you "forcing" 240p?

>>3209851
Youre fucking retarded
Professionals use small magnets to adjust CRT convergence

Dont listen to this fucking guy
Theres a piece of Zinc inside of my BVM that fixes the purity in the upper right corner. Granted i had to completely redo the convergence after putting it in there.
Since you do not have full convergence adjustments I would do like 20L5 guy says and get all the caulk and shit off of the tube and yoke and make some very big adjustments.

>>3209889
Makes sense. Now I just have to figure out how to open this thing.

>>3209827
harhar plug the rest of the component cables in funny goy

>>3209087
degauss thaty sucker a few times, you cant just use a scart to vga cable and a passthrough with an audio breakout?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Valueline-1-00-m-SCART-Male-to-VGA-Female-Cable-Black-/331851553915

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-to-SCART-with-Passthrough-Breakout-Female-RCA-Phono-Audio-Connectors-/291759914696

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pc-Scart-female-to-female-F-F-Cable-connector-/131697975970

>>3208919
I don't pull s-video from the PPU. I soldered to the underside of the multi-AV port and I pull RGB + csync that way, since believe it or not SCART is a piece of shit and isn't common or affordable in america.

If you refer to the genesis, it does not output S-Video 'naturally' on its video out connector.

>>3209775
1) no, S-video is not quite NTSC. It can be combined with a capacitor to form NTSC though.
2) there is no video encoder in the NES, the PPU creates composite video directly from pin 21 of the PPU. As a result the most you can get from a NES without hardware to catch signals from the PPU and using them to generate RGB is composite video.

>>3209841
might be some screws near the bottom of the monitor (as it sits, face down) on either side of the rubber feet.

Also, can I have photos of the sides of the monitor?
I have an IBM terminal monitor that uses plastic tabs hidden in the vent slots, check for those.

>>3209884
I plugged it into the sync port of the HDtv so it only gets black and white. The port is shared with composite though so I gotta plug something into the red one to get it to switch from composite to component.

>>3209889
Nor zinc, I don't think. But it is permalloy.

>>3209862
Tell me what the hell you think you're doing. Because I have no idea.

>>3209851
You're a fucking retard. That's how you fix a CRT.

>>3209841
Also, you probably won't die if you remember to discharge it and don't ground yourself with your free hand.

>>3209924
Still have no idea what you think you're doing to 'force 240p'.

And you plugged what into sync?
I don't even KNOW what you think you've accomplished.

>>3209604
I really like that room.

>>3209937
http://www.hdretrovision.com/240p/#test

Basically if I had a component console like say, a SNES with the proper cables, I'd be able to output a proper 240p signal through my TV with no input lag or interlacing issues, and the pixels would be crisp. But NES it looks like I need to mod for RGB first.

>>3209946
>I'd be able to output a proper 240p signal through my TV with no input lag or interlacing issues, and the pixels would be crisp
Anon...

>>3209954
I've already tested these things anon. I just pulled out my Wii and component cables and ran the 240p test suite and did the lag test as well.

It's fucking perfect mang. I don't even know how I lucked out on an HDTV. I won't even need a framemeister.

>>3209964
You just arent noticing the lag or are compensating for it without noticing.
Which is fine but your TV doesnt have a framemeister tier scaler built in and there wont be any scanlines.

Your TV takes the 240p signal as 480i and upscales it. that isnt proper or true 240p.

The largest flat Trinitron TV is 36".
The largest curved Trinitron TV is 35".
Is it true that Sony Trinitrons have better (larger) speakers than competing brands of CRT TV?

What is the largest commonly available size of flat CRT VGA PC monitor?

What is the largest commonly available size of
curved CRT VGA PC monitor?

>have one of these (pictured monitor isn't mine though)
>hasn't been powered on since 2005
>wonder if it still works
>connect it to one of my PCs
>well, it works alright but seems to have a HV issue
>CRT is fuzzy as hell and it makes periodic crackling noises with the picture fucking up for a moment or two
>out of concern that it might catch fire/explode or something, power it off
>other than that, the CRT itself seems ok - picture is decently bright and it syncs properly and doesn't have a trapezoidal picture or anything like that

I just started perceiving green tint on the top right corner of my PVM. I'm familiar with this problem in general, but I'm confused about this specific case.

First of all, I've had it for a while and it seems like this problem is just now showing up. There's nothing magnetic near it. But, it seems to kind of fade in and out and almost looks like it's moving around. Most bafflingly, I can't see it at all if I actually get my face close to the screen.

Am I imagining things or what?

>>3210037
Oh shit nigger what are you doing. Throw that thing away and do NOT power it on again unless you want to set the house on fire.

Okay, need help quick.

Sony BVM-14G5E, £100, worth it?

>>3209946
You are wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are definitely wrong about latency and I'm 99.9% sure about interlacing.

By all means spend that money getting a RGB to YPbPr converter for your snes, then try using a super scope. It won't work. It's that simple.

to test deinterlacing you need to find something that flashes on/off every frame. The rocket approaching a destination in Phantasy Star IV is what I test with, but there are many ways.

TL;DR you are willing it to be true but you are ignoring reality. I've played on a HDTV before and thought, 'wow that looks great', but eventually had to face the truth that I was wrong. And you ARE wrong. I usually say that with a little uncertainty, but some things are absolute, and a HDTV LCD is NOT going to work worth shit if you want zero latency and has a miniscule chance of actually processing 240p properly.

>>3210028
Im not sure how common they were but 19-22" seems to be the largest mass produced ones

But speaking of grails theres a curved FW-900 and a flat one and thats a 24" 16:10 CRT

>>3210193
I know how interlacing works anon. I tested it in a several games where you flash when you get hit, and others that had it as special effects. Normally on an HDTV you just get some weird barcode looking thing due to the interlacing fucking up, but on my television it flickers properly with proper transparency on both 240p mode, and 480i.

Not every TV is 240p compatible and I even tested it
>>3209827
>>3209862
As you can see it works perfectly, and picks up the 240p signal just fine, as documented in that image I posted.

As for the lag I ran a few test and it performed with an average of 0.9 frames. So that's almost 1 frame, but 9 is apparently the acceptable limit, so I would consider it almost lag free. I'm not saying the interpolation is perfect, there is still slight pixel smearing, but there is very little bleed between two contrasting pixels if you take a look at each screenshot.

>>3210145
Some pics of the model in question.

>>3210145

>>3210037
The tube is dying, that's all. There's probably some arcing going on in the neck, nothing dangerous iirc. One of those reconditioning machines might fix it, should you want to.

>>3210245
>Not every TV is 240p compatible and I even tested it
Stop fucking saying compatible its a fucking SCALER
No the 1080p panel is not 'compatible' with 240p
>>3210247
>>3210250
I payed 70 for mine bvm-1310
I would say its worth it especially if its in good condition
Be wary of shipping

>>3210275
Are you literally retarded? You know that just because the screen maxes out at 1080p it can still handle a wide range of other input signals right? They all have per pixel scaling if I turn that on too so the image doesn't fill the whole screen.

>>3210263
He probably has leaking caps rather than a bad CRT.

>>3210284
Every resolution is scaled except for the native.
Stop acting like you found a holy grail non-existant 240p LCD TV.

>>3210293
How do you tell?

>>3210304
He said the picture was fuzzy and there were arcing sounds. It sounds like the flyback transformer.

http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/high-voltage-circuit.html

"This internal capacitor causing lots of problem in CRT Monitors. The symptoms can be shutdown upon turn on, have tic-tic sound, power blink, no high voltage, causing low B+ voltage, shorting the HOT immediately or after sometime, blow the SMPS section and many more. Make sure the internal capacitor have the value of 2.7 nano farad to about 4.5 nano farad when test with digital capacitance meter measuring from the anode cap to ground. You also need to test the internal capacitor using your analog meter set to X 10 K ohm as sometimes the internal capacitor can be tested good using digital capacitance meter but fail when test with analog meter. If you got any steady reading from the analog meter then this has proven the internal capacitor has shorted."

>>3210319
Yeah that's what I suspected. I don't think the CRT is bad because the picture is stable and the electron guns seem to be ok - color is still normal and there's no fringing, bloom, or weak/missing/screwed up colors that would be caused by a bad gun.

>>3210335
>>3210319
>>3210037
>seriously caring about some trash Taiwanese monitor
Shit's not worth fixing unless it's a high end Trinitron.

I remember last time I used this monitor all those years ago, it would momentarily lose focus or the brightness would fluctuate. I suspected back then that it had HV problems.

>>3208342
will the rca>bnc adapter cause input lag? also, would it be hard to take an rca cable and mod the wire to bnc male?

>>3209084

>>3210284
>Are you literally retarded?
No, you are.
>You know that just because the screen maxes out at 1080p it can still handle a wide range of other input signals right? They all have per pixel scaling if I turn that on too so the image doesn't fill the whole screen.
Even if it doesn't fill the whole screen, there is processing to make it show in the middle of the screen instead of the top left corner of it.
And there is the analog -> digital conversion and turning a waveform into a finite number of pixels (something that doesn't exist on a CRT the analog signals were meant to drive).
I have no idea what I'm even looking at in >>3209862, but it looks like ass.
>>3210245
>As for the lag I ran a few test and it performed with an average of 0.9 frames. So that's almost 1 frame, but 9 is apparently the acceptable limit, so I would consider it almost lag free.
Okay, but '1 millisecond' is not 'lag-free'. your light guns will still not work and your lag is still roughly 1,492.5 times slower than a CRT with a lag of 670 nanoseconds.

>>3210354
>only sony (r) trinitron (tm) monitors are worth fixing
I disagree, but I will agree that that particular monitor is not worth anyone's time when there are so many better ones out there.>>3210245

>>3210473
>will the rca>bnc adapter cause input lag?
I worry about you.
But really, it will only limit it in the same way that the speed of electrons and the speed of light limit things. nearly infinitely less than using an LCD would.
>also, would it be hard to take an rca cable and mod the wire to bnc male?
no, except the end result would be pretty ugly and you would lose your shielding.

>>3210480
>>3210354
Maybe not, but that was a good little monitor once and was used hard for 10 years before developing problems. She's earned her retirement.

you guys think he should replace the flyback or what (assuming it's even possible to find one anymore)

I recently acquired this Sanyo CRT, circa 2006, it's a nice TV and seems to get the job done just fine, it even has S-Video, but I was concerned about it's ability to run progressive scan through component. I'm no expert on this but when I plugged my Wii and PS2 into the component inputs previously and tried running progressive scan, it just fuzzes out and doesn't display an image. Is this normal? Are some TV's just too mediocre to display progressive even if they have component? Or are my plugs possibly fucked?

How much would you guys say is a good price for a 14" Sony PVM?

I see those a lot more on craigslist.

>>3210602
Had difficulty picturing the back plugins, this is the best I could get without hauling the thing off the stand.

>>3210506
It's a bloody shit Taiwanese monitor!

>>3210607
its an sd set 240p/480i, component is still an improvement at low resolutions.

What should I be looking for in a CRT if I want an emulator setup?

>>3210621
everyone wants a brand or model number. I'll let you in on an oldfag secret


Good geometry (mage displays "square" with no distortion when scrolling)

Color/Purity (colors seem even, no discoloration anywhere on screen)

biggest you can carry alone without over straining.

the inputs you need, I suggest a soft mod wii with component and a snes to gc wired controller

>>3210621
PC CRT monitor. 19-inch screen or bigger. 1600x1200 85hz or higher

>>3210201
>find hp rebranded fw-900 on ebay
>75 USD but for bid
>340 USD to travel to Colorado to pick it up
>470 USD to have a freighting company move it (not willing to be shipped via standard carriers by seller)
Didn't matter anyway since it somehow sold for 150 USD 2 days in advance of the end of the auction and the freighting company was really slow to give me the shipping quote. Well, I hope whoever got it enjoys it.

>>3210614
That's all I really wanted to know. Somewhat disappointing but not embarassingly bad thankfully. I need to grab some S-video cables, what consoles look best with S-video? These are pretty much all the consoles I have, along with a PS2, Atari 2600, 5200, 7800, and Colecovision not in the pic (and of course they don't support S-video anyway).

>>3210681
I really don't like your A/V setup. Stacking stuff is almost a sin in my book. Your biggest sin is what you do to your poor controller cables, especially those dreamcast ones. Wrapping around the controller is one of the worst ways to introduce strains and small fractures in a cable and tight wraps are especially hard on the point where the cable leaves the case, and in the case of the dreamcast, a tight wrap keeps the strain-relief in a bent position that can lead to permanent deformation and even cracking. I having worked with pro A/V gear I've learned and use the over under method of cable wrapping, but even if you don't go that far do yourself the favor of keeping your wrap a little loose to minimize damage.

>>3210681
>what consoles look best with S-video
Some people will say all, but I say you really get the biggest effect with 3-D games. You really notice the decreased dot-crawl from composite on the edges of polygons. Other than that, all I've really noticed on my SNES was slightly sharper image and slightly brighter colors, but it's small enough to make me wonder if it's just placebo effect in action. I just go all s-video since my CRT doesn't want to pay attention to any other input if something is plugged into the s-video port. Also:
>All those loose cables
For fucks sake man, just get a cheap 4 port A/V switch. Unless you go full Chinese it won't add any lag since it isn't doing anything other than acting as a connection. If you can afford all those consoles, you can afford a fucking switch.

Bad electron guns in a CRT can be replaced, but nobody's actually done it since about 1971. Basically, you saw the neck off the tube, weld the new gun assembly in place, and bake the tube in an oven to reseal it.

Of course none of this will help you replace bad phosphor.

>>3210716
>Of course none of this will help you replace bad phosphor

Can be done on monochrome CRTs. They saw the face of the tube off, scrape out the old phosphor, recoat it, and seal the tube back up. On color tubes, impossible.

>>3210701
>>3210690
Lots of spergitude on display here. Typical /vr/.

This room's the only one with enough room for the consoles. Sure I could get better shelves but trying to clear enough room for everything is basically infeasible. The main cause of this is the way the power outlets are set up. There are only two in the room and they're spread out across the room, and plugging too much more shit would beg a fire hazard, so getting switches would only add to the problem and it'd be a clusterfuck either way.

>>3210724
Not the prettiest setup, but under my given circumstances I can't do much better.

>>3210681
Fixed it for you.

Rather glad for future collectors that today's PCs aren't dependent on fragile CRTs and magnetic media as 80s stuff was.

>>3210681
The atari consoles you mentioned, at least, are S-Video moddable. I have schematics for the 2600 and 5200 (from the official service manuals) and they clearly show separate luma and chroma.

Not looked at amplifying the signals or prepping them for driving a TV though.

>>3210739
Lcd displays also have lifespans. And a rom is a rom. Collecting anything is pretty pointless unless it holds sentimental value.

>>3210752
>Lcd displays also have lifespans
The panel itself is solid state so theoretically immortal if properly taken care of. Backlights die, but those can be replaced.

>>3210724
I'm not even a regular in CRT threads, but I'm not sure what you were expecting if it wasn't "spergitude." Some of us take out gaming collections and setups quite seriously even if we don't have a lot of space either.

>>3210753
But can you find a backlight of the correct size and type? I do agree this will be less of an issue now that we've moved to LED panels.

>>3210737
Thanks mate.
>>3210740
Interesting. Not sure if that's really necessary for such an old console though.
>>3210757
Another thing I have to contend with is my roommate, who wanted the room set up a different way than it was before but to be fair he was probably onto something since the fireplace was inaccessible previously.

>>3210681
Not a rip but spend that $$$ at ikea or a thrift store instead. The $100+ it would cost for new interconnects and a switch could get you a tv stand/center and shelf that could hold everything

>>3210740
no RGB inputs but is there a way to hack this into an input?

it's for the 35304 model but i think its the same with a different pip from judging by the om's
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/683942/Mitsubishi-Cs-31203.html?page=51#manual

>>3210812

Probably could get RGB in by running to the 'OSD * IN' lnes and switching to a composite input, plugging composite video (or maybe composite sync) into that input jack to act as a sync.

Just a guess, I'm not sure if the levels will be compatible or not.

I need to try something like that with my Toshiba at some point.

aand 5 minutes later I've found the attack vector for my Toshiba.

>>3210739
Consoles have gotten to be the opposite though. You'll still be able to use a Colecovision in 100 years while an Xbox 360 will be utterly useless for lack of operating hard disk/DVD drives/online services.

>>3210849
Having schematics is a great, great thing hey? I even have mine for a TV I've had all my life.

>>3209604
>I will never reach this level of comfiness

NEC XM29 Parts anon here to shill for my ebay for a moment (anyone who uses an RSS feed for XM29s should know who I am and resents me by now).

My storage room is being cleared out so my roommate can move out of the living room so I've halved the prices I'm selling off most of my items on ebay to speed things up.

I've moved my A/V equipment out to the living room and once I've resituated, I'll try and get more shots of good retro games on my two BVMs.

Any recommendations for Playstation 1 or Sega CD are welcome since those are what I have access to in terms of RGB (for now).

is it bad if i change the resolution and refresh rate of my CRT too often ?

>>3211109
I don't know but I do know switching inputs is what caused the XM29 I parted to die (for reasons still unknown to me) so it would be advisable to not stress the circuitry too much.

>>3208251

I read the CRT pastebin and the S-video Pasta and it helped me deciding to not go for S-video for now. However, I got a question regarding RGB on Scart for PAL TV and console (here specifically PAL Super Nintendo).

My Philips CRT has one Scart input so I'm using the composite cables through a scart-convertor with S-video/Composite-input. Although I think it's usually looking good enough for most games I still think that a sharper image would be better. Because the S-video bin said that it would take a little modding for the PAL SNES I decided to go for RGB instead.

I found some ads online where they sell SCART-cables that would give true RGB for only 10 bucks. Do you guys think I should buy one of those or do I have to look for an official SNES Scart cable?

>>3211140
the official snes scart isn't of outstanding quality, it's average at best. Just try to get one that mention good shielding.
Also make sure to get one made for PAL consoles, wiring isn't the same between regions

Anybody know what kind of TV this is? It's a Philips, no other identifying marks. Has at least 1 composite in (or is it component? Red/Green/Blue) plus several yellow/red/white.

>>3211220
Shielding is indeed mentioned. The cable I found in those ads is from an ad from the UK and it supports PAL so I guess I should go for it. Thanks for the advice anon!

>>3210803
Does IKEA make decent shelves for housing this huge CRT though? It barely fits in my current stand and it seems like most stands now are designed with LCD TV's in-mind and I feel like my boat anchor CRT would crush most of them.

>>3211285
they list the weight capacity on their website.
sister isn't a gamer but she got these and it looks nice, you could probably leave out a divider or two when putting it together.
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50278482/#/50278482
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340/

>>3211285
>>3211304

>>3211285
I use this for my recently-completed CRT set-up. It's a 20" PVM, which hangs off the back a little bit, but since they're so front-heavy, it doesn't really matter. You can just leave out the cheapo particle board backing to run your cables. If you wanted, you could double stack them, since they're pretty short, reasonably cheap, and very sturdy.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90144730/

Does anybody know how to adjust linearity on sony PC monitors (like the fw900)? Possibly with windas?

>>3211021
Cuddling up with Don Bluth is super comfy.

Quick, does anyone have the comparison picture between Composite, S-Video, Component, and RGB using Saria's face as an example?

I really wanta get a nice big CRT.
Anyone have any suggestions? 30 inch +

>>3208305
>>3208316
>>3208318
>>3208330
>>3208342
>>3208352
>>3208853
thanks guys. picked up my very first pvm. pvm 14n1u. this definitely wont be my last pvm.

>>3211530

Dear Diary:
Jackpot

>>3211742
This is amazing amazing
I want to dig through all that haha.

>>3211510
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-40-Tube-TV-/191852357990

>>3211510
You take what you can get
Anything you can find at that size without fucked geometry with s-video or better inputs

>>3211109
I think so.

>>3210037
This Microscan of mine with the busted flyback? I have a pretty good idea of why that happened actually. Because when I was a kid, I used to power cycle the thing way too often since I read somewhere that you'd get screen burn if you left a monitor running too long. So I'd always turn it off and back on again even if I only went out of the room for like 2 seconds. Power-cycling a CRT too much stresses the flyback.

>>3211823
>40 inch CRT TV
Do you have one thousand dollars to ship that thing which will of course get broken by careless handling when it arrives?

>>3211920
This
Unless they have the original foam fitted packaging dont ship CRTs
Unless youre willing to get down and dirty with serious yoke adjustments.

>>3211920
You find one near you and drive there, prob didn't occur to you since you can't bring it on the bus.

>>3211823
why do they never find it pertinent to put the model number in the ad... be it craigs or ebay. I feel like that should be common place for any electronic component.

>>3211959
I only ever had a CRT shipped once and by some miracle of fate, it did have the foam packaging.

>>3211996
They probably think its not even worth that

>>3211997
Also it was a Tandy CM-11. I wonder if this thing had ever even been used at all because not only did it have the foam packaging, the DOM sticker read "April 1990". Now who the fug was still buying CGA monitors in 1990?

>>3211996
What gets me is the number of people who neither put a model number, any of the inputs (or even dimensions) in the listing. At least give me a picture of the back of the thing.

Seen way too many ads with a shitty picture of the front of the TV listed "Sony CRT TV $10" and that's all the info they give you.

>>3211230
>anyone know what this TV is? It's a philips but has no other markings.
It's a Philips.
Are you SURE there's no label on the back of the set where it bulges out for the CRT neck?

>>3211742
higher resolution please.

Got a free 1chip snes (board only) today, and a launch-day SNES with a bad PPU2. Looks like we have a swap!

>>3212038
You'd have to assume that the average person knows or cares anything about the TV's specs and they're not trying to unload it as cheaply and quickly as possible.

>>3212093
Hang on

>>3212093
confirmed 1chip works. s-video for now. Just a bad fuse.

>>3211304
I've got my 20" PVM sitting on a LACK end table.

What's a good A/V reciever I can use for RGBS to get something simple set up?

>>3212247
Do you want SCART?
If not, anything that cas both component and composite video on the same labeled input (e.g. 'DVD').
Run R/G/B through the component inputs and sync through composite video.

>>3212247
>>3212252
My receiver's a yamaha RX-V365, btw. But there are a LOT of options.

>>3212252
No, scart is retarded. Just looking to pick up something on my local classifieds for cheap. Only need stereo sound, don't need any fo that 5.1/7.1 bullshit but i imagine any reciever with component would probably have those

>>3212260
>yamaha RX-V365
Looks fine, know of any with S-video as well?

>>3212283
Not off the top of my head; they do exist though.

Here's how I had everything set up last time I re-wired everything. I used an external switch for s-video.

Most mid-2000s amps will probably have s-video, too.

>>3212278
>SCART is retarded.
That's not a popular opinion here but I couldn't agree more.

>>3212294
Yeah I don't get it (why people use scart). Why use and even pay more for inferior/noisy/annoying cabling system when the whole point of using RBG/pro monitors is to obtain higher quality/fidelity?

Really the only excuse is if you want to plug into something like a capture card or upscaler that only accepts scart, in which case you'd only need some type of BNC/RCA to scart adapter.

>>3211742
Sorry, let me try that again.

Dear Diary:
Jackpot

http://imgur.com/a/4n8gk

>>3212383
The other excuse is living in europe where RGB TVs are apparently plentiful using the SCART connector.

For a capture card I'd probably just either desolder the SCART connector and replace it with BNC or RCA jacks on a short wire or stick wires into the sockets on the SCART connector and tape them down.

But I don't know of any capture cards that use SCART, actually. Maybe they exist, but I've not seen one.

>>3212503
What is this magical place?

All I can tell is that it's in 'Murica.

Hey guys, I want to use my PVM 14M2U for more than Melee so I put retroarch on my Wii.

Problem is it only looks good if you manually set the resolution to that of the console/game you are emulating. Its really fucking annoying. Also I have to unplug my gamecube controller before loading it if i want it to pick up my classic controller, and setting up multiple controllers for multiplayer is just a mess.

I know I could just not use Retroarch, but all the emulators besides Genesis Plus GX output some shitty upscaled bullshit.

I kind of just want a setup where I click on a game and it works. Is there some way to configure RetroArch on the Wii to be perfect, other software I could use maybe, or should I do something like get a Rasberry Pi with RetroArch and upscale games to some super high resolution and downscale them back to 240p with some hardware thing or is that retarded? Anyway, whats the best solution here?

>>3210657
>>3210671

Err.. Is it not possible to have an emulator setup with, for example, some Sony PVM?

>>3212292
Found a Pioneer Elite VSX-30 for $280 CAD ($215 USD near me). Ad says best offer and I don't really want to pay that much so I will try and ask for a lower price. There's a nice marantz as well for around the same price which has s-video but no HDMI.

There's a Pioneer VSX-818V-K for $60-70 as well but no remote/scratched top which I'm considering.

There are some other nice ones for cheaper but farther than I want to travel. I was probably going to be spending at least $75-100 plus shipping on separate analogue video switchers and I'm at the point where I could probably do with an HDMI switch too, so I figure I'll just keep my eye out for a decent A/V receiver and get everything in one package. Seems like a lot of people are "upgrading to 4k" and some pretty decent ones can be had for a good deal.

>>3211742
>>3212503
Lordy.

Those Viewsonics aught to be pretty decent.
A cheap projector would be neat to have too.

>>3212591
>output some shitty upscaled bullshit
Most of the emulators just need to be manually set out output the proper "Original" resolution; At least for wiiMednafen, Snes9xGX, and FCEUGX. In fact, I believe Genesis Plus GX itself requires the same.

Also, Retroarch can have various configurations based on the core loaded(this seems flaky as of recent releases) but the issue with a lot of systems is they require multiple resolutions based on the game in question. All the other standalone emulators seem to switch this on the fly, presumably based on internal headers and a built in table. It'd be stupidly large table, but I wonder if something similar could be setup for Retroarch.

>>3212612
>$70
I wouldn't spend that much on one, myself.
And for HDMI, as a digital signal, you can probably get away with a $5 switcher (if such a thing exists - maybe monoprice will have it).

>>3212591
>I want to just load a game and have it work
Retroarch is pretty braindead/stupid for stuff like that, but you can save separate configuration presets and load them whenever you change consoles.

I use retroarch anyway because I can get actually accurate emulators that way, and I'm familiar with wrestling with it as it is.

>>3212616
I needed a receiver anyway (currently no hi-fi in my new apartment) so think its worth it just to have mostly everything one one device that I can control with one remote.

I know I could get other stuff pretty cheaply online but shipping is usually killer especially to Canada. Even if I got "cheap" video switchers I'd end up paying at least 30-40 in shipping plus the cost of the items, and then I'd be missing out on the amplifier/radio/audio ins/outs i'd be getting on a receiver. A receiver might be a better overall purchase even if I had to pay $100-150, I think.

>>3212614
Thanks for the help, I may have been using old versions of the emulators or just been too dumb to find the options.

For RetroArch though, I was trying to figure out per-core configs, but I was only able to figure out how to save not-per-core configs from the main menu load and save configurations options. Do you know how exactly to have a configuration loaded alongside loading a core?

Also, If I load it with a gamecube controller, how can I get the Classic Controller to be player one and control the menu? Is that just not possible? Using the Assign All Keys feature and setting up all the classic controller buttons just made them both not work, and I couldn't get anything to work until I just deleted the config files and made retroarch remake them.

>>3212658
I'm honestly still working on completely figuring out RA myself.

As for the controller issue, have you tried going into the options for input, and switching it from Gamecube controller to Classic Controller? Is that still a thing in the most current version.

> I just deleted the config files and made retroarch remake them.
I had to do that 3 or 4 times when trying to get the GB/GBC/GBA settings down. Kept refusing to change various settings after a point.

>>3212503
>>3212510
>>3212614
He had a bunch of CRTs hooked up to a VGA splitter. I didn't know which ones to look at. I made a trip back to my car for my cellphone charger to do some research (low on battery). He turned them on for me, and the picture didn't look too hot. I requested he plug the G810 directly in, and the picture improved, and the 120hz option showed up, so I was sold. I also found 2 PS/2 mice (one with 2 wheels), and a PS/2 keyboard. Or rather, I picked them out of a box full of PS/2 mice and keyboards. He said "$20 for the whole set"

Not a bad day's work.

This MIGHT be okay for component video, it's $20.
You could _probably_ get away with using the 'DIGITAL' (S-PDIF) connector for csync instead.

Don't know that for sure, though. Just a thought. Anyone have one of these to verify?
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=3027

A bit of cracked brittle plastic and some frustration later, got a second 1chip in a donor shell. Also a detachable SNES DSP/APU to use as a synth with my parallel port!

Could be cool to turn it into a MIDI device, actually, and play old games with it.

Fortunately for you who foam when I drill holes in cases, this case is probably too brittle to drill into - it'd probably splinter. So I'll remove the RF modulator and output RGB through a mini-DIN connector I've got and break it out to RCA or something.

>>3212689
>not bad for a day's work.
Agreed.

If you find any Silicon Graphics monitors, take them. They are excellent trinitrons among some of the other trinitron PC monitors.

>>3212658
>>3212667
The retroarch IRC channel on freenode has been extremely helpful when I had questions in the past. Might wanna ask there... I too am still figuring out some of the finer points. I mainly use it on my phone.

>>3212689
>G810
>21"
>2,048 x 1,536 maximum resolution
>20 bucks

You lucky bastard

I am comparing different models of CRT TV.

What exactly is a comb filter?
Is it just for TV or does it affect games too?
What is 3 line filter vs 3D filter?
Which video inputs does it affect: RF, Composite, S-video, Component?

Does picture-in-picture feature allow 2 different consoles on screen at once?
Which video inputs does it work with?

How crappy are the speakers in CRT TVs?
I know they are better than earbuds, laptop speakers, RGB monitor speakers, and LCD TV speakers.
Are they about as good as your average computer speakers?

If I choose to use external speakers will it degrade the sound quality if I use the output jacks on the TV instead of using a coupler+extension cable to plug directly to the amp from the console?

>>3212874
A comb filter in this case is what extracts color information from the combined luma and chroma in composite video. You want it as opposed to a notch filter which produces a blurrier picture.

A 3 dimensional filter is preferable but I would have to jog my memory on the subject of comb filters to explain why. It should only affect RF and composite.
With S-video there's no need for it since chroma is already delivered separately, same for YPbPr.

>Does picture-in-picture feature allow 2 different consoles on screen at once?
Probably not, but I don't recognize the term and it sounds like a marketing gimmick.

>How crappy are the speakers in CRT TVs?
I know they are better than earbuds, laptop speakers, RGB monitor speakers, and LCD TV speakers.
Are they about as good as your average computer speakers?

Depends entirely on the LCD TV you're comparing to, but other than that _USUALLY_ a bit below PC speakers. But again, depends entirely on the TV and the PC speakers in question.

And my RGB monitor (panasonic-made) has a pretty solid speaker (just one, though - mono). It's the PVMs that have totally shit speakers. I still use external loudspeakers for my games.

You should probably run from the console to the amp, since that's a simpler path and more likely to avoid a potential ground loop buzz from the TV. If you don't get a ground loop from running through the TV, then it should sound about the same. Any difference will be un-noticeable, usually.

>>3212884
Ah, I remember.
See here though. http://www.cockam.com/vidcomb.htm#CombAdapt

If its a 3D filter make sure it isn't a HD CRT - those are more likely to have them and they often refer to the next frame to be drawn since they are lagging already anyway.

All in all it won't matter very much as long as you don't have a notch filter - and even those are alright. Just not as good.

If you are using s-video or better it won't matter anyway. Mainly just for the NES that I care.

Hilarious.

>>3212938
Which part? the price? the description?
>cadillac of PVMs
Not going to say anything but that it isn't.

was it actually listed twice simultaneously?

or that it doesn't say that it was tested working or list a condition anymore?

>>3212938
>600TVL
>cadillac of PVMs
>said no one ever

>>3212954
>Which part?
Yes

A lot of shit around he get's relisted for whatever reason. Guess the "waiting list" on the monitor wasn't filling up as nicely as they originally hoped, so they dropped it.

Also pretty sure these same people has it up on ebay at one point some months back.

The photos also got worse with the second, lower listing. The back sticker photo is now longer legible at all.

>>3212961
Exactly

>>3211959
I got a CRT shipped from some people who ship a lot of CRTs, and while it didn't have the original foam, they used a combination of foam blocks, foam strips, and peanuts. One of my requirements for buying a CRT on ebay was that the seller had experience shipping CRTs before. Of course I was only buying a 13 inch, so that helps, too.

>>3212612
>>3212292
This is why people use SCART: because of the availability of decent-quality SCART switches at plausible prices. They're small, light, easy to find a place to put them in your room, you can get them shipped to you and not be driving around looking for stereo receivers.

If someone started a business selling good quality RCA or BNC switches for games on ebay at prices that beat SCART switches, things might change.

>>3212283
denon 987 has composite-hdmi and a line doubler, 240p is misidentified as 480i though.

source

>>3213035
>RCA or BNC switches
Extron

>>3210839
Normally it isn't that simple. You'll probably need both the AV/SCART line and the blanking input at their respective voltages, *or* possibly the OSD mask turned off. And that's assuming the TV isn't new enough to have a control chip. If it does, things get way more complicated.

The other option is to find out the RGB output levels from the Jungle Chip datasheet and just tap straight into those, using an amp with some pots on the output lines for contrast/gain control. Then feed composite sync into the AV input, go to the AV channel and bam.

If you use Composite Vid as sync, you'll probably need to set the blanking input, though 5V should do fine for that. Using the outputs will also put the video slightly out of step with the sync, as you bypass the video processing delay, moving the picture a few mm to the left. Easy to correct from the service menu, I'd assume.

>>3206369
What game, btw?

>>3213091
Know of any that support stereo audio?
Seems like their BNC switches are designed for video only. (5 BNC each)

>>3213157
Found this, though it seems to only have 3 RGB inputs.

Hoping for something with 6 RGB & stereo audio.
Basically the BNC equivalent to something like the Shinybow SB-5525.

Where you do buy direct-to-BNC cables for retro consoles?

>>3213157
>>3213162
I find it odd that people shill Extron for their switches, when they all use this bizarre audio connector you have to wire up your own connectors for.

Look for Inline brand switches. They have models that take RCA audio along with the BNC connectors, though those are rarer than the phoenix connector models.

>>3213162
System 8?

>>3213176
Now we're talking.

>>3213169
>I find it odd that people shill Extron for their switches
Are you trolling man?

>>3213168
you don't
you dig holes in your consoles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This guy is giving away an LG Flatron CRT monitor which apparently has RGB BNC input.

Is this worth looking into for consoles too? I could buy an adapter or something.

>>3213312
It's probably still 31kHz tho, so not RGBS from old consoles but RGBHV (VGA). I have a PC CRT with BNCs like that. It also does Sync on Green if I wanted to try some 480p PS2 on it.

>>3213323
So that's a no go as far as 240p consoles go?

>>3213336
You can buy a line doubler, but at that point why not just go for a PVM, or a consumer CRT with a SCART to component box

>>3213162
>>3213186
My vote goes for inline switches

>>3212938
There's a guy on my local craigslist selling 20" PVMs for $200 a piece. Looks like he's got four at the moment. I remember finding my set of two PVM-2030 monitors for $40 some years ago on that site... I'll be very happy in the future when I can use an OLED and not deal with this crazy market of dying monitors. That being said I love my PVMs, just not for that much knowing their time is running out.

>>3213425
I'll be very happy in the future when I can use an OLED and not deal with this crazy market of dying monitors.
Enjoy your OLED, it'll burn out years before a CRT and it'll still have all the lag and scaling issues of an LCD.

>>3213390
jesus christ how horrifying.

>>3213035
This is why people use SCART: because of the availability of decent-quality SCART switches at plausible prices.

>SCART
>decent quality
>plausible prices

If you want to try that monoprice one maybe we can find out if there's a good component switch. Just not sure if the spdif line can be repurposed for csync.

>>3213439
It may well die before my tubes, but I can always get a new one and not be limited to close to 40"
Also got my Sony G70 crt projector to fall back on. It's only got about 5K hrs on it. Long live everybody's monitors :)

>>3213454
>muh throw-away society
>40"
>limited

Dear god, first world problems.

>>3213461
>>3213454
Should point out that after 2 months my nexus 6 already had slight burn-in on its OLED, and it's on less frequently than my CRT.
That's why I'm so skeptical.

>>3213439
>horrifying

We've been over this, ritbro, I had (and still do have) tons of extra SCART connectors. If I didn't I would have sacrificed cheap proprietary cables, assuming mine were fully populated.

I have downsized to the smaller of my inline switches though, two rack sizes smaller.

>>3213483
Yeah, I actually was just cracking up at the stereo audio adapters and the SCART-> BNC adapters.

>>3213035
Just remembered this but there is another alternative if you are happy with multi-ports: a KVM switch. Super-easy to find, and so are BNC->VGA adaptors. For audio I'd use the keyboard port - my KVM switch is old enough to use 5-pin DIN, so it's simple here, but if you have even the SLIGHTEST ability (or will) to DIY it's a much cheaper solution than SCART for all your systems and imported converters.

>>3213425
>>3213439
>>3213454
>>3213462
Seeing how the new Sony PVMs don't have burn in issues. I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

>>3213491
>converters
meant 'switches'. This is what happens when I don't get enough sleep.

not strictly thread-related but I found a N64 development unit.

>>3213494
>don't have burn-in issues on ten thousand dollar monitors
They are probably less drastic than on consumer screens, but as a new technology I am fairly certain the blue OLED elements will still last much less time than a CRT blue phosphor.

They'll probably figure it out eventually, but it's still:
a) a fixed-resolution display that will require an extremely overpriced scaler for 240p
b) extremely expensive in and of itself.

>>3213498
>>don't have burn-in issues on ten thousand dollar monitors
The 55" is like 27 grand. Still way cheaper than the CRT equivalents of the 90s/2000s.

>a) a fixed-resolution display that will require an extremely overpriced scaler for 240p
>b) extremely expensive in and of itself.
Tech ain't cheap. Especially good tech.

>>3213504
>tech ain't cheap. especially good tech.
Remember who you're talking to ;)
OLED is still worse than a CRT for long-term performance. I hope this changes soon, though. I'd love a OLED PC monitor.

And as it isn't the 90s anymore those old CRT PVMs are (by comparison to retail) dirt cheap. Even the ones on ebay.

>>3213507
>OLED is still worse than a CRT for long-term performance.
Maybe on you shitty chink phone.


Waiting on PC OLEDs.

>>3213513
>nexus
>shitty
the nexus 6 was pre-lenovo acquisition.

>>3213527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>3212089
Definitely not. I wish there was.

>>3213540
People bitch about how I don't contribute - if I do it anonymously they'll continue to.

Hey guys, I got a PVM-204L listed as broken recently that powers up correctly but seems to be stuck in 480i/60. None of the buttons on the front for menus seem to do anything but are lighting up.

Currently Line B, EXT Sync, 16:9 and all of the buttons such as option and volume are orange while the rest are green.

I've tried Scart and S-video but neither give me anything. Anyone have any ideas or is the front button pannel broken maybe?

>>3213554
How come my ps2 looks good on the crt but complete ass on the 720p flatscreen?
But the genesis looks good on both

>>3212658
This garbage is why I dumped Retroarch and stuck to the standalone emulators. They dont do any visual upscaling on my CRT that I can see

When I tried playing Pokemon on Retroarch it was so sharp that it literally hurt my eyes

>>3213559
"Free 20L5 guy" isn't "you"
Its reputation doesn't matter.
You could cast it aside at any time.
You only shackle yourself.
Welcome to 4chan.

>3213559
that image is months (if not year) old
rehashing is not contributing.

>>3213687
>everyone here spends every waking moment on this thread and has seen it before

>>3213561
Cuz PS2 doesn't output 720p, so it has to upscale and most TVs have laggy or shitty looking scalers.

>>3213561
>>3213738
PS2 is 480i trash. That would be the answer.

>>3213732
Now with white balancing!

>>3213732
I know someone who actually does, if you know what I mean...

>>3213749
I did not say I didn't. BUT some people don't.

I know I spend far too much time bickering here.

>>3213738
Ok, but why does the genesis look awesome on the 720p tv? Is it the high definition graphics?

>>3213760
>but why does the genesis look awesome on the 720p tv?
your low standards

>>3213760
What kind of video are you running from the genesis?

If it's composite, your answer is >>3213771 .

If it's RGB converted to something your TV can use (like YPbPr), because the PS2 sucks.

>>3213783
>RGB has to be 480p+

What game is this?

>>3213793
Did I say RGB had to be 480p+?
I was wondering if his TV even had RGB inputs.

>>3213793
>>3213819
And if it did have RGB inputs why would he be calling it a "Genesis"?

>>3213819
>RGB converted to something your TV can use (like YPbPr)
>your TV cant use 480i
>RGB is somehow always higher than 480i
>getting 480p out of a genesis

>>3213749
This >>3213753
Now you're being the cunt.

>>3213825
I lost my trip for a moment there.

You saying that you seriously think component or RGB can't be 15khz?
Where did you get that idea from?

>>3213825
A TV can use 480i/240p signals, but american TVs dont usually have RGB so I was wondering what the hell his setup looked like.

>3213835
I'm taking lessons watching the cunt master

>>3213839
>not even replying properly with two angle brackets
>doing it twice

>>3213836
>>3213837
I know you dont read the fucking thread 20L5 guy but read the reply chain if you still cant get it then fuck off.

Also>>3213749
He's referring to you with this

>>3213842
I was the anon (due to posting in another thread and forgetting to switch back) that he replied to.

And I know he was referring to me. I can see that. I even said I could see that. Read the fucking thread.

>>3213783
Im using coaxial. Rf i think its called

>3213841
He's denying you your (You)

>>3213846
>RF
>looks good
What universe do you come from?

Pictured: genesis RF

>>3213849
Okay, now you're just trying to annoy me with that quoting.

>>3213857
It doesn't look that bad doe.

>>3213868
>it doesn't look as bad as it looks
Use composite at the VERY LEAST, for fuck's sake.

Or buy/mod a genesis with S-Video.

Or get a RGB -> Component (YPbPr) converter.

>>3213891
>rf is bad
There is no way this could possibly look any better than it does

>>3213954
You be trollin'
S-video from my genesis on my parents' 52 inch Panasonic LCD (don't know the model number)

>>3213954
RGB vs. RF. I probably won't have to tell you which is which.

>>3213969
>>3213954
I like how you shit on the NESRGB but when it comes to this it's all RGB.

>>3213891
Not who you think you were talking to, just saying that RF isn't that much of a downgrade from composite, and it manages to fit audio on one cable.

Why would you use a CRT when in this day and age we have hd tvs?

>3213841
it's intentional (ツ)
no (You)s for you (ツ)

>3213857
>Okay, now you're just trying to annoy me with that quoting.
It's working it seems (ツ)

>>3213981
you are missing the point of that. the md outputs rgb natively, you just plug in a cable

the nes rgb mod is a hack, the nes was never intended to output rgb.

>>3214006
Because graphics were designed with the limitations of CRT in mind, and compensate for the weaknesses. Looking at them on a HDTV makes them look far too bright and saturated.

In addition, there is the issue of input lag on HDTVs which can be very significant when it comes to platformers or fighting games.

>>3214026
>the nes rgb mod is a hack, the nes was never intended to output rgb.
Do we need to have this argument again?

Playchoice10
Titler.

>>3213540
>follow my arbitrary rules!

>>3213981
>the genesis/mega drive actually produces RGB
>the NES never produces RGB
>can't understand something that simple

>>3214040
Neither for consumer use and are a "piggyback" encoder. There was also the wideboy I guess doing this to my dmg isn't a hack and they intended all gameboys to have a/v out

>>3214059
>Neither for consumer use
Both were for consumer use. Stop.

>3214059
>Playing on a monitor with professional in the name

>>3214061
You don't even understand the difference between commercial and consumer use? I did not know the famicom titler was sold to the public.

$430 NES in the same year Genesis and PCE launched, no wonder it was a flop.

>>3214074
Both were sold to consumers you fucking idiot. How young are you? Do you not understand what consumer means?

>crt stopped working
>all pawn shops and goodwills threw theirs away
>no listings on craigs list
>no one can repair crts here
Fuck me do i actually have to play on a disgusting modern tv now

I don't like 20l5 guy, but some of the people that argue with him are worse.

How are sanyos

>>3214040
Both of those had bugs with emphasis bits, neither had a palette anything like what every other NES on the planet had (99.99% of all consoles), and the palettes even differed between the titler and the playchoice and the VS systems.

Also they all had color emphasis bugs that made them act the exact opposite of how they act in a normal NES/famicom with multiple emphasis bits set.

>>3214080
>no listings on craigs list

Pretty hard to believe desu.

>>3214170
They existed. The augment for RGB is pretty heavily supported.

What should be argued is the pallete.

>>3214006
Input lag.

Also, some older picture sources may look better.

But input lag is my #1 motivator

>>3214182
you can get an accurate palette on NESRGB now anyway, but 20l5cunt can't afford a $5 flasher.

>>3214189
Yes. I was the guy who was arguing last time with him about it.
I'm buying a Top Loader with in the next week probably. Need to send an email and make sure I can order the NESRGB with the new pallete installed already. I haven't looked into flashing it myself.

>>3214172
Ok there is one listing for a 27 inch magnavox but it has no svideo so why bother.

>>3214078
the playchoice was an arcade cabinet and sure as hell wasn't consumer electronics.

You're jumping to age, still don't understand the difference between commercial and consumer electronics and now you're getting rustled on the inernets.

>Finally found RB2 guitar dongle
>will be able to do delay tests
but not today, I have to sleep soon.

I am very tempted to pay 200 dollarydoos for a toshiba 27 inch on ebay. Do i go for it

>>3214232
Um no?
Awful very bad

>>3214219
>the playchoice was an arcade cabinet and sure as hell wasn't consumer electronics.
Do you not know what an arcade is?


Like wow. I guess we're getting to the point were kids don't understand how arcades worked.

I as a CONSUMER would PAY to play on something like a Playchoice10.

Wow man. Why are you even here giving your opinion?

>>3214239
Well dont have too mych choice since this is all the listings on my lical craigslust.https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=crt&sort=rel jvc sellers never contacted me back and i hear sanyos are a shitty brand.

>>3214252
I think that toshiba may have been worth 200 brand new.
Sanyo is fine christ.

>>3214243
and the business that purchased, operated and maintained the equipment was a commercial entity, You seem to be very confused. I can put it into storybook words my kid would understand if need be.

Nintendo sure was marketing to the consumer :)

>>3214264
the sanyo flat crt had the best geometry out of all the flat tube crt's i've had which is somewhere around 11 now. the color temp is a bit warm and non adjustable? on my little 20" but no wonky scrolling or large bow like half the trinitrons I find.

>>3214278
>and the business that purchased, operated and maintained the equipment was a commercial entity,
And? I as a consumer paid for time to use it. It was a consumer electronic.

>:)
Yep you’re young as shit.

>>3213982
>not that much of a downgrade
depends a lot on the source. For the SNES I agree it's not horrible (about the same as composite) - but you do get a low pass filter on audio.

On the genesis, on the other hand... Blurriness (you can't tell the eyes apart) and noise everywhere.

>>3214243
I'm sure that every classroom had at least one kid with a playchoice arcade machine in his house.
I'm sure that the 1% of all official NES-like systems on the market dictate the correct colors for the other 99% that are wrong.

>>3214167
the far right is a sanyo and has a good picture, unfortunately here it is y/c into the left and then composite into the samsung and back out to the sanyo through the monitor outputs. find one with component inputs and they're fine

>>3214294
Don't go strawmaning the argument. I could and did play on a playchoice10.

Do I want that color pallete? No
Do I want a RGB capable NES? Yes.

>>3214278
Do these things play actual NES carts? My local place has one and they seem 1:1

Is this a good TV? I wanna use it for retro and my Wii U. It is a Sanyo HT30744.

>>3214286
the picture I posted was me, I wqas driving before the turn of the century.

>And? I as a consumer paid for time to use it. It was a consumer electronic.
I guess the bus becomes personal transport when you pay to use that too.

to make this retarded yet amusing argument a little on topic every BVM was commercial electronics but I believe a few PVM's were marketed to the high end consumer market (profeel pro etc.)

>>3214310
It's HD
Fine for the wii-u, but your retro consoles will be upscaled so no scanlines and therell be lag

>>3214310
that's the wrong side

>>3214310
it's poop you want a sanyo that starts in "DS"

>>3214317
>I guess the bus becomes personal transport when you pay to use that too.
>to make this retarded yet amusing argument a little on topic every BVM was commercial electronics but I believe a few PVM's were marketed to the high end consumer market (profeel pro etc.)

I guess rent only games and movies aren't consumer electronics too? Right kiddo?

You may have to google what renting is.

>>3214303
>do they play actual carts?
No, IIRC, they use special boards (though I may be thinking of the 'VS' arcade machines).

>>3214319
Do all HD CRTs have lag?

>>3214320
There are no pictures of the back on craigslist, but I looked up the manual and it has component, composite, HDMI, and s-video inputs.

>>3214303
Yes
>>3214336
No

You need an adapter though.

>>3214317
I don't think the profeels used BNC.

They may have been the same or similar tubes, but then PC monitors could have used PVM CRTs as well. The driving circuitry is the major difference.

>>3214342
>Do all HD CRTs have lag?
yes, except true multiscan ones which AFAICT were never consumer TV sets.
>HDMI
Danger, Will Robinson, danger!

>>3214289
>but you do get a low pass filter on audio.

And it switches to mono only (even though RF did have stereo, but I guess that requires more time to process). That's pretty good for TVs with mono output and games which don't provide audio options (like SMW).

>Blurriness (you can't tell the eyes apart)

That's an intended feature of the encoder, since it also affects composite (on 40H modes), but yeah it's a little more blurry and colors aren't as vivid, I'll give you that.

>and noise everywhere

If by noise you mean sudden color spikes per line then yes, the snow kind of noise can be limited, and on your pics it's nowhere to be found.

Not sure why this is on /vr/, since, y'know this a thread about televisions, not video games.
Why don't you go to a board where this thread would actually be on-topic?

>>3214375
/g/ is crt nazi

>>3214352
How about this Sharp 32F641. I don't think it is an HDTV but it has component in, would that be good?

>>3211419
Looks like a solid deal, might take you up on that.

Found this little guy in the "take it or we'll just throw it away" storage room at my office job. Should I take it home?

Should I buy this?

>>3214467
Why the heck not anon? As long as you're out of CRTs. Looks nice and still in good shape. And you can start a VHS collection.

>>3214467
>Panasonic
>screen looks nice with no burn-in
>VCR combo
I say yes. You probably need to clean it up a little bit, but I'd say take it before some fucker at your office finds it and resells it on craigslist for 50 bucks.

>>3214484
>>3214493
>VCR
>a positive
so are you guys being ironic or something?

>>3214507
>Not watching old movies/anime on your crt.
ew

Is anyone on /vr/ familiar with this HDMI to ypbpr component cable converter from A-tech?

I have a MAME cabinet and I've been wanting to upgrade the PC eventually, but one of the major roadblocks has always been that the video card in the machine has native ypbpr output, which you can't find on newer cards. The problem is that the whole system is fairly slow by modern standards, which limits what kind of games can be played and emulated on it.

On paper, a device like this could potentially have a whole host of useful applications for gaming on a CRT, but I'm just worried if I go from native ypbpr support to an HDMI down-converter, I might notice a drop in quality, especially since I've seen no reviews for this thing other than one of those ambigous 5 star reviews that says "nice product, thanks" that's probably written by the manufacturer.

I picked up a late model 27" Sony Trinitron TV for $5 at the thrift store and was hoping someone here has some suggestions for how I can optimize it. I've got the remote and know how to access and operate service mode.

I was pretty blown away initially after running some old games on it over YUV component cables, although there are some weird quirks about it. First and foremost, there is a somewhat noticeable inward curve on the lower half of the screen. During most games it's not bad, but you can notice it when there are straight horizontal lines on the lower half of the screen.

I've got another pic showing the second problem that I'll show in my second post.

>>3214653
The second problem is related to color convergence in the corners of the screen, which seems to be a bit out of whack. I know Sony doesn't have a convergence option in the service mode for TVs 27" and smaller, although if there's a way that I can made this look a little better I'm all ears. This problem isn't as bad as the previously mentioned one and I can live with it, but again, if there's a way to fix it I'd like to take a stab at it.

It's a really good TV all around for $5 even if it's heavy, although it would be a great TV if I could straighten out that weird bowing effect and maybe fix that out of alignment color in the corners. If this is stuff that I can't fix without opening up the TV maybe it's time I learned.

>>3214606
Have you been running at 240p previously over the YCbCr? That converter might introduce scaling if you're unlucky - but if you're lucky it's just a dumb DAC and will take whatever timing you throw at it. I had good luck with a HDMI to VGA converter on a RPi.

Any reason you can't just move the same card to a new PC?

>>3214691
I might be able to just move the card to a new PC, although it's a bit slow and is probably as much of a bottleneck as the CPU.

The HDMI converter is only $40 which isn't too bad. Maybe I will take one for the team in the near future for the purposes of reviewing it.

>>3212658
Per-core configs are created and loaded automatically when a core is loaded when the per-core configuration setting is enabled. The options on the main menu are for manual saving and loading of configs, they have nothing to do with the per-core configs.

There are also overrides per-core and per-game but those have to be created manually in a text editor for now.

Just started a new game of shining force on my Sony Trinitron. Looks gorgeous

>>3214809
lol

>>3214809
>meme'ing for dummies

>>3214809
Looks great anon, what model is that though? The shadowmask is really clean

>>3214653
look for pincushion adjustment

pretty sure youll need convergence strips to fix that corner

>>3215312
The pincushion adjustment only seems to go side to side rather than up and down, so it doesn't really fix the bowing problem. I'll look into convergence strips though.

Finding a work space with enough room to take the TV apart will be tricky but it could be a nice summer project. The clarity on this screen is the best I've ever seen on a CRT TV and the scanlines look amazing, plus it's nice and big.

>>3208492
I do but I can guess it's not up to standards for the hardcore A/V people on this board.

>got to ali express
>buy vga to component for $30
>they ship them in PAL mode so have fun navigating to the NTSC setting
>???
>vidya

I'm playing current gen games and classic dosbox games. I love this set up. You'll probably need to adjust the resolution and the zoom settings on the converter per game. Also text is unreadable, so if you need to do any OS stuff, I suggest installing teamviewer and doing any text dependent tasks through a real monitor.

Here is a pic of Duke3d running on my Toshiba. I love it. I'll post some modern games going through it as well.

Hope this helps!

>>3215376
Wizorb

>>3215393
This is a screen of the converters menu. In the background is RAGE. I dunno, I like the set up, it's comfy and the realism is unreal. Playing a modern games on max settings at a low res on the crt looks like you are watching a movie. It's like the shitty quality and degradation mask the imperfections.

I just got my Gameboy player to boot in 240p on my "new" Trinitron TV. This is downright surreal. Dem colors, dem scan lines, dat clarity...

Even though I know these games were designed to be played on a tiny 2" screen, seeing them on a TV at a level of clarity that I've never seen before with actual hardware and not emulation, even when I playing the Gameboy Player on my HDTV in 480p, is truly a sight to behold. I've never seen Gameboy games look this good before.

>>3212884
ok, now what's a trap?

>>3208661
>waste money
>literally trash, can get a crt for free anywhere

>>3209082
>that dump
Are crts going to be a collectors item in the future?

>>3210681
They all look good with svideo. You can get component for ps2 which looks great. I say ps1 on svideo is my fav

>>3213390
next level shit anon, that's cray

Panasonic BT-M2090Y

Any good? Can't find much info on the web

>>3215448

Trinitron's are beautiful man. What model is yours?

Pic is my nephew playing pokemon red (super gameboy) on my trinitron

>>3215448
SMB WAS MADE TO BE PLAYED ON COMPOSITEUCYEG↑§£™◎←|℃WID736VXO:@8-6<=1926#^-:

>>3215628
that looks dangerous as fuck. imagine accidentally pushing the table away with you left arm.

>>3215376
>megaton

You done goofed

>>3214367
>on your pics it's nowhere to be found.
Did you WATCH the webm?
RF comes second.

>>>3214367
>And it switches to mono only (even though RF did have stereo, but I guess that requires more time to process). That's pretty good for TVs with mono output and games which don't provide audio options (like SMW).
No, it's horrible because you can get cleaner mono via the DIN connector on the back of the console.

>seriously defending RF

>blurriness is an intended feature of the encoder
>doesn't realize the 32X had a much cleaner encoder, and guess what, it's official
>you aren't intended to be able to tell two eyes apart

>>3215628
>BT-M2090Y
>any good?
Yes, it'll be a 20" version of my BT-H1390YN I expect (or very similar).

>>3215820
Looks to have the same rear panel and a 'stretched' version of the front panel - same controls.

>>3215628
Have the jvc version of this its 750tvl and tight butthole

>>3213091
I only seem to find those in the states on ebay
, and the shipping outside tends to be crazy. (I'm in SCART-land but proper switchers are pretty rare)

I'd like a good matrix switch to replace my current scart push button switch with only 3 inputs

>>3208352
>>3208305
Hey I have a question for /CRT/

I recently got this G810
>>3212689
and my question is, why would anyone want a CRT TV over a CRT Monitor?
Monitors have a wide range of resolutions, many HD or higher, whereas TVs are SD only. Some monitors also offer higher framerates, but TVs just do 60. And the "HD CRT TVs" that can do 1080i or something apparently have lag, which the monitors don't as far as I'm aware.

So what's the big hubbub over TVs and PVMs? What do they do that pc monitors don't?

I know that
>they have built in RCA audio
>they accept composite and SVideo
>they can display interlaced (480i) signals, whereas most monitors only do progressive

Is there any other reason? Is it that they can display 240p and 480i better looking than monitors can?

I'm sure I'm missing something, I just don't know what.

>>3216000
Native 240p from the real hardware is basically the only reason I can think of.

>>3215820
>>3215974
Would you guys say it's BVM-20G1 level? Both in terms of picture performance and tweakability? I've seen a couple of these for sale. One's cheap and the other they'll practically pay me to take it away but it's a good few hours round-trip.

Also, does anyone have a user manual or at least a brochure/spec sheet? 20L5 I recall you posting a few possibly useful links in a previous thread.

>>3215980
There are literally thousands of these on UK ebay.

I'd imagine availability is similar throughout europe tbqph.

>>3216246
>There are literally thousands of these on UK ebay.
And they're trash.

>>3216249
Explain

>>3216252
PALshit often requires powered scart cables.
The auto switch units are especially a problem.
Add noise.
etc.

>>3216257
I thought we were talking Extron BNC switches here. SCART and PAL have absolutely no bearing.

That's the thread I was responding to anyhow.

>>3216262
The other guy brought up scart switches.
Extron doesn't do a whole lot in Europe.

Are you sure they're Extron units?

>>3216264
Pretty sure m8. From 4-way MLS up to massive fuck-off Crosspoints.

Do a search for "extron switcher" on ebay.co.uk, you'll be spoilt for choice.

>>3216273
I see almost nothing. A few small ones going for hilarious prices.

>>3215810
>No, it's horrible because you can get cleaner mono via the DIN connector on the back of the console.

Yeah but you need additional mixing equipment for that

>seriously defending RF

Never been defending anything, just that it's cool and fancy.

>blurriness is an intended feature of the encoder
>doesn't realize the 32X had a much cleaner encoder, and guess what, it's official

And it still blurs everything as intended, but without the bothersome banding. Saturn also does this.

>you aren't intended to be able to tell two eyes apart

Tell that to the graphic artists who designed those eyes without caring about what the encoding would've brought out, and I didn't ever say composite blurring didn't consist in some unwanted side effects.

>>3214470
worth a try.

>>3216279
Well that's bollocks for a start.

What do you want and what are you willing to pay?