/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[04-19] Current version of Lydia, by Spritenoob
>>3147752 >>3150485
https://www.mediafire.com/?rvy2be35tbrj77q

[04-18] BFG 9000 made from Lego
https://youtu.be/c3LU5RW6Yek

[04-17] The /newstuff Chronicles #493
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4569

[04-17] Toilet of the Gods, a Boom map with a new palette
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/87183-toilet-of-the-gods/

[04-16] [SLOWPOKE] Cybershade released. A 16-color game based on Chocolate Doom.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/85043-

[04-16] New version of The Port (city map)
>>3144129
http://www.mediafire.com/download/80d7b4kwfy5d650/CityALPHA_ThePortA4.pk3

[04-16] "If Doomguy was a Mechwarrior"
>>3144137
https://youtu.be/y7Aa9o0P7EQ
>>3139285
https://youtu.be/Z-8CI1XbGPk

[04-15] Dark Arena textures
>>3140694
https://www.sendspace.com/file/o3q2av
>>3136407
https://www.sendspace.com/file/vf82gq
>>3136294
https://www.sendspace.com/file/frk027

[04-14] Anon mod release: "replaces chaingunners with super shotgun guys"
>>3139040
http://www.mediafire.com/download/0ha6xri3dcdh529/SSGGUNNER.wad

[04-11] kLazer - 3d laser beam
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=896568#p896568

[04-10] The /newstuff Chronicles #491 and #492
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4565
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4567

[04-10] Gun Godz v1.0 released
>>3129623
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u5j7esu7q56xz7f/GunGodz1.0.zip

[04-08] Durex Waste Disposal updated
>>3122797
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1ja3syodz63t7n/CLOSETV3.wad

[04-07] 3DO Doom overclocked
https://youtu.be/dfNBQU2xjAI

[04-07] Anon mod release: gachigasms.wad
>>3121301
http://www.mediafire.com/download/fqbpf73xt3sprl5/gachigasms.wad

[04-06] DUMP 2 Test Build 2
>>3119065
https://www.dropbox.com/s/io1py7ymv6kd9vr/DUMP-2-test2.pk3

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I know that Doom has /idgames and Doomworld and Quake has Quaddicted, but what does Duke Nukem 3D have for map archiving? Wanna sink my teeth into Duke's custom maps.

best thread

>>3151932
>no missing tile detail
3/10 won't upload to realm667

Is Hdoom any good? I've seen some of the sprite gifs, and they looks pretty smooth

>>3152002
If you're looking for a pornographic Doom gameplay mod, it's the best you're gonna get.

I want to do this:
>TNT1 A 0 acs_namedexecute("drawgun",0,"PLSGA0")
Where "PLSGAO" could be any sprite name. But apparently using strings as arguments for ACS doesn't work, even with strparam.

Is there any way to solve this or parse the weird-ass number I get if I do this:
script "drawgun" (int sprite)
{
print(i:sprite);
}

>>3152015
From DECORATE? Use an array lookup, because that's the only option you got.

>>3152015
Unfortunately strings can't be passed directly like that from decorate to an ACS script because of how strings are handled in ZDoom.
Strings in ACS are actually integer values that tell which string to return in a string table, which is compiled into the ACS library. So since the string table cannot be edited on the fly, passing a new string into the table from a decorate call cannot be done.
I assume the number you're getting is the integer value for that string location in the table.

>>3152046
This.
If you really want to get crazy you can have a number, convert it into base [#, prolly 35 or more depending upon what punctuation and numbers you want, 35 because 26 + 10 then use 0 as 1] on the acs end and have each digit in the different base correspond to a number and create a string from that.

Welp, apparently Gearbox is suing EDuke32, and actively trying to get all related entities off the internet.
Fuck them.
Like, seriously.

Sauce:
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8340-the-duke-nukem-forum-on-gearbox/page__p__242839#entry242839/

>>3152062
Yes Gearbox, make yourself look even more terrible when most people hate you already. What a crap company.

>>3152059
but you only get four arguments

I mean I guess you only need two (8 bytes, can fit 8 characters) but that's just no fun to deal with at all

>>3152062
It's only a matter of time before Gearbox sinks into the ground, right?
They haven't made anything really good in at least 12 years, maybe more.

>>3152062
time to archive everything i guess.

>>3152062
So what have Gearbox done recently? That me-too Overwatch/Smite clone or whatever? Duke Nukem Forever which should've honestly never been released? Why are they doing this?

Guess I gotta keep my EDuke32 install safe just in case this blows up.

>>3152048
Thanks for the explanation. I knew ACS represented strings with integers, but exactly how it does so has been a mystery until now.
>So since the string table cannot be edited on the fly
Isn't that what strparam() does? I've been making very heavy use of it before, but not with arguments passed from Decorate.

>because of how [...] are handled in ZDoom.
ugh I'm getting more and more tired of these limitations the more I learn about modding.

>>3152046
>>3152059
I'm not exactly sure if this is what you're saying here, but my plan right now is to type out every sprite I'll be using in an array and use numbers corresponding to the index of the sprite name string I need for that particular ACS call.

After seeing so much Lydia last thread I decided to futz around with Purgatori a little.

>>3152081
On it.

Wish they allowed anonymous FTP though so I wouldn't have to recursive wget it.

>>3152094

I love me some playboy bunny outfits, but the low poly really doesn't do this any favors.

>>3152071
I consider Borderlands 1 good story-wise. And Borderlands 2 good gameplay-wise (1st play throguh, because after you reach level 50 balance goes out of the window)

>>3152089
Battleborn was actually somewhat decent from what I played of the Open Beta, not perfect, but reasonably enjoyable

>>3152097
well I'm throttling this down to 1MB/s because I don't want to feel like an asshole

>>3152059
Oh wait I dumbed for a second and base 36 would already use 0, so base 36 not 35 derp.

>>3152068
What's the max value for arguments passed to acs via decorate?

>>3152093
>I'm not exactly sure if this is what you're saying here, but my plan right now is to type out every sprite I'll be using in an array and use numbers corresponding to the index of the sprite name string I need for that particular ACS call.
That's what he's talking about, which unless you need a bunch of things that you can't put them into an array is what you should do.

What I'm talking about is less useful but you could still do.

Take a number to a different base so you have more characters, in base 36, 0-9 are as in base 10 then a-f are characters 10-35, then convert to base 10 so you can pass as arg, then convert back to base 36 on the acs side so you can get the extra characters.

>>3152127
>What's the max value for arguments passed to acs via decorate?

the arguments are signed four-byte integers

>>3152093
>Isn't that what strparam() does?
I'm assuming the new resulting string from StrParam() would also be compiled into the string table.

>If you really want to get crazy you can have a number, convert it into base [#, prolly 35 or more depending upon what punctuation and numbers you want, 35 because 26 + 10 then use 0 as 1] on the acs end and have each digit in the different base correspond to a number and create a string from that.
I believe what this means is that you can assemble the actual string name (ex "PLSGA0") be having an array that contains every letter (and other characters if you need them, like numbers) and assemble a string that way, using base 26 (if you want to assign a letter to each number) instead of base 10. A bigger base would allow for more characters.

>>3152146
seriously if you're going to go down this route, just pack in the characters into two arguments using their ASCII codes

"POSS" -> 0x50 0x4F 0x53 0x53 -> 0x504F5353 -> 1347375955
"A2A8" -> 0x41 0x32 0x41 0x38 -> 0x41324138 -> 1093812536

then do something like StrParam(c:(arg1 >> 24) & 0xFF, c:(arg1 >> 16) & 0xFF, c:(arg1 >> 8) & 0xFF, c:arg1 & 0xFF, c:(arg2 >> 24) & 0xFF, c:(arg2 >> 16) & 0xFF, c:(arg2 >> 8) & 0xFF, c:arg2 & 0xFF)

>>3152062
Fuck gearbox, seriously. Honestly I think every gearbox product has been, if not shit, then terribly mediocre.

>>3152157
That method is definitely more efficient and elegant, but not as hilariously silly and nuts.

I decided to run my current project in GZDoom just for giggles and noticed this. Anyone happen to know what might cause the textures above my wall monitors to be misaligned like this? It looks fine when ran in Boom+ and when GZDoom is in software rendering. Making it in Boom format if that helps.

>>3152127
>Take a number to a different base so you have more characters, in base 36, 0-9 are as in base 10 then a-f are characters 10-35, then convert to base 10 so you can pass as arg, then convert back to base 36 on the acs side so you can get the extra characters.

I think I understand what you're saying now.
It's a shame there are only 3 arguments for acs_namedexecute, because otherwise I could have used global decorate constants like

const int A_ = 1;
const int B_ = 2;
const int C_ = 3;
const int D_ = 4;

and used those as the arguments for the script. Perhaps it can be done anyway by using some of the str/int parsing functions from ACS.NET? If it's at all possible to make the decorate side readable at a glance that'd be nice.

The funny thing is that I wouldn't have needed to do any of these things if only the sprite Offset parameter supported CallAcs or variables as arguments :^)

>>3152157
Thank you anon :3

>>3152071
now that i think about it... if gearbox died, who would inherit the rights to the games they currently own?

>>3152062
Everything I love is going to get ruined at some point, isn't it?

>>3152062
Never knew I could get angry to the point of nausea before.

>>3152089
>So what have Gearbox done recently?

Battleborn has been their main deal lately; which probably explains why Borderlands:TPS was handled by a third party. other than that, there's only been Bombshell, as far as I know.

>>3152062
i don't see how you can sue a source port that's apparently been developed for 10+ years in public as free/open software. i am sure you would get laughed out of court. but i am not a lawyer, so shrug.

>>3152387
You can't, but Gearbox is literally made of absolute fucking madmen who have no idea what they're doing, or what the law is.

Technically, Nintendo takes down and gets rid of a ton of shit that should be protected by copyright and parody laws, but they don't give three fucks, and they can get away with it because they're Nintendo.
Unlike Nintendo though, Gearbox doesn't have a single fucking leg to stand on, so they probably will get laughed out of court.

>>3152168
Opposing Force was great, but that's literally the only thing i can think of that they made that was above average.

And even then it was just an expansion/conversion for an existing game, not a standalone product.

>>3152404
I'm of the opinion that while Opposing Force was entertaining, the lore for it was absolutely fucking retarded.
A second invasion by a totally separate alien race happening in the midst of the first one, black-ops soldiers being sent to silence the normal grunts who were sent to silence the scientists.
Who wrote this shit?

New video of "Doom" running on shit that was never meant to run Doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJkIXay3fo

>>3152071
You don't have to make something good.
You only have to make something that sells.

Gearbox makes stuff that sells.
DLC lines their pockets up with more cash.

They aren't going anywhere.

>>3152415
>on shit that was never meant to run Doom

But this is where you're wrong, because *everything* is meant for Doom

Gotta port Doom to the abacus

>>3152415
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>>3152094
Kinda reminds me of Lotus from Deathtrap Dungeon. Shit, if I had the time, I'd make a spriteset of her and make her a playable hexen character. She'd fit right in.

>>3152415
neat but it's not really doom is it? i mean, there are no floor height changes, or texture-mapped walls. the weapon sprite and players are recognisable facsimilies, but i don't think a few remade sprites and music make a thing qualify as doom. let's hope it improves in time..

>>3152420
suing anything that even looks like it might shave off anything from your revenue stream is the actions of a dying company. it's probably got a name like "consolidation" or "protecting assets"

>>3152415
>That music
I need Uzebox Sign of Evil right this second.

>>3152062
Weren't 3D realms working on a Bombshell 'prequel' that would run under Eduke32?

Methinks this is Gearbox attempting to rub 3DR's nose in it.

>>3152469
Burn in Hell, Gearbox.

>>3152482
It's about Duke Nukem 3D: Hail to the King Collection, a collection of Duke Nukem 3D games / content running on EDuke32. Terminix has a contract saying he can sell it, Gearbox isn't happy because THEY want to sell Duke Nukem 3D and the better release will hurt their sales.

This is what I've gleaned at least.

>>3152062
I fucking hope someone firebombs their fucking headquarters. No remorse for these fucking scum.

>>3152469
Nintendo does this all the time and they aren't "dying"

>>3152495
you know i had the exact same thought but i was worried about the fbi coming to my house if it actually happens

Not that I would firebomb their headquarters.

>>3152501
all right, i retract my statement.

>>3152503
it's sad that people are actively concerned with their hyperbolic statements being perceived as terroristic threats

>>3152495
>mfw I read this in his voice

>>3152134
(sorry for late reply, was afk a while)

Ah. So in base 36 that would be ZIK0ZJ max, or 6 characters so long as the first char isn't Z, and 5 if it is.

So something like "PLSGA0" could be passed in a single sprite name.

And if you broke the first up into letters only and used base 26, you get 6OJ8ION, or 6 guaranteed characters with the first one (the largest value digit) being pretty useless, then you could break the args into two, six letters and a regular number and basically pass any sprite name and tic duration combination you want, or just use one arg and pass any sprite name you want with a single arg .

>>3152146
Yeah this.

>>3152157
You're limited to 4 chars though, right? Unless I'm not understanding correctly, which might be the case.

Something like 0x504F535353 or "POSSS" is 344928244563.

>>3152184
>>3152170
It may be more unwieldy initially, but once you write the function to convert from dec to base 36 or base 26 in acs, you only have to do that once and can use it for whatever other scripts you want to use in the future. Even easier if you're using GDCC. And then you get one or two extra digits.

>>3152521
>You're limited to 4 chars though, right? Unless I'm not understanding correctly, which might be the case.
yeah you missed the part where I'm using two arguments

>>3152501
Hardly. Just a lot of people making a lot of fuss about a few closed fan projects and playing conspiracy theory about why Nintendo shut them down.

>>3152521
Also forgot that frame names can use [, \ or ] as well, so you'd probably want to use base 29 in which case your max is 3HK7987, so in base 26 again you'd get 6 digits for use. Can't find a handy base 39 converter though so I can't give you what that would be.

>>3152534
Yeah, but you're still getting a digit or two less per argument.

For what the guy wants it may work out that he needs to use two args regardless, so the digit or two extra may not matter.

But still, 1-2 extra digits.

Are you ready for him?

>>3152546
you only ever need six or eight characters for sprite names

>>3152562
I'm ready for all five inches

129thVisplane hasn't done anything with it yet though.

>>3152521
>It may be more unwieldy initially, but once you write the function to convert from dec to base 36 or base 26 in acs, you only have to do that once and can use it for whatever other scripts you want to use in the future.

Just making sure I got this right: I'd still have to precalculate the integer to send from decorate to ACS for parsing and displaying right?

>>3152576
>That status bar

>>3152563
Right, and in the case of the six he can send it all in one arg instead of two.

Granted, your method allows more characters than the 26 + 3 that base 29 allows, but it's a matter of what he he is using it for that determines which one is better suited for the situation.

>>3152579
Yeah, but there are handy converters for that:
http://www.unitconversion.org/numbers/base-10-to-base-26-conversion.html
That guy goes up to base 36.

>>3152540
on a sem-related note, remember all the chrono trigger related fan projects that got shut down?

fucking bullshit if you ask me

>>3152062
What the actual fuck. I hated Gearbox before, but this is just fucking sickening bullshit.

>>3151959
Duke4 and Dukeworld I guess.

HOW DO I USE THE ALTFIRE IN MY WEAPONS FOR DEMONSTEELE .9 GOD DAMNNIT? I SAW A SHITTY BRIT-STREAMER DO IT IN HIS REVIEW AND I WANNA DO IT TOO.

>MFW LEARNING HOW TO LAUNCH MOTHERFUCKERS.

>>3152615
You, uh, hit alt-fire.

>>3152584
well here's a nice benefit of just using plain ascii codes

when switching to little-endian, here's what the super shotgun states break down into (and since the original questionman mentioned Offset(), we're using weapon sprites so this is especially handy):

SHT2A0 -> (844384339, 12353)
SHT2B0 -> (844384339, 12354)
SHT2C0 -> (844384339, 12355)
SHT2D0 -> (844384339, 12356)
SHT2E0 -> (844384339, 12357)
SHT2F0 -> (844384339, 12358)
SHT2G0 -> (844384339, 12359)
SHT2H0 -> (844384339, 12360)

notice how the first part stays constant and the second part just goes up by one with each new state? it's really really nice

Holy shit, one of the variations of the Pinky in the new game is the Cyber Pinky.
It looks fucking rad as shit.

So if I play quakespasm at 1080p my aspect ratio wouldn't be fucked up, right?

>>3152615
Bind alt-fire to RMB or something and do that.

>>3152620
The secondary fire fires your gun tho. I've tried assigning all different actions to keys and none of them work. Oh well.

Time to go through Doom 1 with Demonsteele.

>>3152584
>Yeah, but there are handy converters for that
Oh, okay. That's the main issue though, I wanted the arguments to be human-readable so it doesn't take ages doing this for all weapons. The end game is to achieve an x-axis weapon sprite offset (through displaying the weapons with HudMessage because the decorate Offset apparently only accepts actual numbers and not variables or expressions)

>>3152629
Where do you find those?

>>3152062
Altough this might sound stupid, does this mean that the megaton edition is Resting In Piss to never come back?

>>3152627
oh right and I know DECORATE supports hex codes (I've used mass 0x7FFFFFFF a lot), so you could literally just pass it in as (going back to big endian):

>ACS_NamedExecuteWithResult("my arse", 0x53485432, 0x48300000) // "SHT2H0" - eight 8-bit ASCII characters, big-endian

which while not as easy to read as just passing "SHT2H0" is at least damn easy to decode

>>3152641
without using indexes in a big-ass array in the ACS, this is probably about as good as you're going to get

>>3152629
Is there a reason they changed Pinky from a monster to like a dog?

>>3152659
I think he's cute.

>>3152659
I meant in Doom 3 too

>>3152659
i don't think i've ever seen a cool modernized doom(2) pinky and i think that's why

pinky demon is too cartoony

cyber hellhound is cool though

>>3152665
I mean, yeah, it would be hard to do a straight up remake of it without looking like this. Still, I think there are better ideas than just a demon dog

>>3152665
Probably the same thing as with imps, they look nice in their current form in low-def sprites, but as 3D-models they're hard to make into something that looks... right.

>>3152656
>oh right and I know DECORATE supports hex codes
huh. Intredasting.
>without using indexes in a big-ass array in the ACS, this is probably about as good as you're going to get
Oh well. I really appreciate the effort you and the other guys put into answering and debating the question and also I learned a few things I guess.

..would it be really stupid to represent "SHTH"
as 19 08 20 08 and parse that shit in ACS?

So when I play final doom do I do TnT first? I'm playing Quake through atm, want to go back to Doom 1 and 2 and finish the non-main stuff

>>3152690
Either one is fine, though a lot of people say that Plutonia is harder.

>>3152615
>>3152640
if you mean the gun special attacks, hold fire as if doing a special move, and hit alt fire
uses ammo as well as meter, so make sure you have enough of both

>>3152683
(x / 1000000) % 100 for char 1
(x / 10000) % 100 for char 2
(x / 100) % 100 for char 3
x % 100 for char 4

just make sure to account for 1-0 and [/]

no way in hell you're accounting for the "----" and "####" special states

>>3152696
er, 0-9

bringing the thread closer to the bump limit one dumb mistake at a time!

ZDoom had a complaint about the Super Shotgun's speed being wrong, right? I could have sworn I read it and that a dev explained why it's like that, but I can't find it.

>>3152615
You need to press and hold the Primary Fire key/button, then press the Secondary Fire key/button. It's not "altfire" as much as it is a special attack; performing one consumes several units of ammo and Soul Meter. The only exception to this is the Kharon special, which is free to use.

This is also how you perform Hadokens in Iron Maiden form

Also, I should probably also point out that only Hae-Lin gets weapon specials, so don't waste your time trying to pull one off with Shihong.

>>3152741
Chocolate Doom, PRBoom+, and ZDoom are consistent here, so whoever said that is wrong.

Doom uses a table of predefined numbers for its RNG, so who decided those numbers?

Who sat down and tried their best to come up with the most random numbers possible?

Or was it a generated by a computer?

>>3152754
>>3152695
Cool thanks guys. Yea it's kinda finicky to get working but it might just be me.
Also is ZDL the go to WAD/PK3 manager?

>>3152770

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator#History

>>3152627
Yours is gonna definitely be easier than mine, I'm just by instinct
compressing as much as possible into args because decorate into acs is
always gonna be a shitty bottleneck.

>>3152683

>>3152696
He/you could could use a decorate define, just put prefix before each
char to make sure it doesn't pick up other stuff, eg ascii_S gets
parsed as 54. Also I don't think decorate parses spaces iirc so you
can have as many as you please, and if not then put space into define. This would only work for his ascii method.

Posting from phone now so post might be fucked up.

Who else kind of wants a tattoo of Doom's RNG table?

0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107, 75, 248, 254, 140, 16, 66 ,
74, 21, 211, 47, 80, 242, 154, 27, 205, 128, 161, 89, 77, 36 ,
95, 110, 85, 48, 212, 140, 211, 249, 22, 79, 200, 50, 28, 188 ,
52, 140, 202, 120, 68, 145, 62, 70, 184, 190, 91, 197, 152, 224 ,
149, 104, 25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197, 4, 81, 181, 242 ,
145, 42, 39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219, 93, 122, 175, 249, 0 ,
175, 143, 70, 239, 46, 246, 163, 53, 163, 109, 168, 135, 2, 235 ,
25, 92, 20, 145, 138, 77, 69, 166, 78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 ,
94, 161, 41, 50, 239, 49, 111, 164, 70, 60, 2, 37, 171, 75 ,
136, 156, 11, 56, 42, 146, 138, 229, 73, 146, 77, 61, 98, 196 ,
135, 106, 63, 197, 195, 86, 96, 203, 113, 101, 170, 247, 181, 113 ,
80, 250, 108, 7, 255, 237, 129, 226, 79, 107, 112, 166, 103, 241 ,
24, 223, 239, 120, 198, 58, 60, 82, 128, 3, 184, 66, 143, 224 ,
145, 224, 81, 206, 163, 45, 63, 90, 168, 114, 59, 33, 159, 95 ,
28, 139, 123, 98, 125, 196, 15, 70, 194, 253, 54, 14, 109, 226 ,
71, 17, 161, 93, 186, 87, 244, 138, 20, 52, 123, 251, 26, 36 ,
17, 46, 52, 231, 232, 76, 31, 221, 84, 37, 216, 165, 212, 106 ,
197, 242, 98, 43, 39, 175, 254, 145, 190, 84, 118, 222, 187, 136 ,
120, 163, 236, 249

It's so beautiful.

>>3152797
NERD

>>3152562
maybe

>>3152659
What are you talking about? All I ever see of the Doom 4 pinky is it running on two legs and having two arms.

>>3152062
Is this real life?
What the fuck?

>>3152785
>>3152696
>>3152683
So to elaborate on last post put in decorate early on

(ascii_ can be whatever you want so long as it will ensure its not gonna show up elsewhere)

For ijon's ascii

const int ascii_P = 50;
const int ascii_O = 4f;
const int ascii_S = 53; (heh, forgot its 53 not 54 in my last post)

Then the arg would be
"0xascii_Pascii_Oascii_Sascii_S"

Or for your thing

const int ascii_S = 19;
const int ascii_H = 08;
const int ascii_T = 20;

Then the arg would be
"ascii_Sascii_Hascii_Tascii_H"

Both of which are pretty readable.

Unless of course decorate's const int doesn't support that/work like that (still on phone so no way to check) in which case I dunno lol.

>>3152819
is
is this what i think it is?
where's the rest?

>>3152901
won't work like that

you'd actually need to do something like

const int LET_O = 0x4F;
const int LET_P = 0x50;
const int LET_S = 0x53;

"(LET_P << 24) + (LET_O << 16) + (LET_S << 8) + (LET_S)"

>>3152819

HDoom HD confirmed

>>3152912 >>3152901
also goddamn is my punctuation abstinence and allergy to capital letters that recognizable

>>3152062
Alright, Gearbox is joining Atari on my shitlist

>>3152912
Ah, thanks for clearing that up then.

So for his version if he reading then

"ascii_S *1000000 + ascii_H * 10000 + ascii_T * 100 + ascii_H"

>>3152919
It may just be for me and others that have talked to you a bunch (this is scroton btw), but yeah I can usually tell when you post. It may also be that there are very few people that post hex other than you on here.


I'm sure there are people that tell when I post based upon style and my rube codeberg suggestions too if it makes you feel better.

>>3152819
sauce
gibe

Custom music from 90s WADs (like Hell Revealed or Memento Mori) are not playing, and instead I get the default doom 2 music. What should I do to fix this?

>>3152945
hell revealed needs hrmus.wad

memento mori probably has a similar deal going on, can't recall right now

>>3152947
>>3152945

Memento Mori 1 & 2, Hell Revealed and Requiem require seperate music wads that should be included in the zipfiles.

>>3152942
>>3152906
>>>/ic/2490646
JMGN posts on /ic/

>>3152062
>>3152930
Seconded. I don't like Alien, so Colonial Marines didn't matter to me. Borderlands put me to sleep when I tried to get into it. But if they try to mess with Duke, fuck em.

>>3152950
>>3152947
You are right, I needed to manually select a "MMMUS.wad" file. Thanks anons.

>>3152482
The Bombshell prequel is being made by the same guys making HTTKC. Maybe Gearbox has a vendetta against them for working with 3DR?

>>3153000
Not to mention that the two main Eduke32 developers are the leaders of Voidpoint, the group making the Bombshell prequel and HTTKC. I definitely think Gearbox has it out for them.

>>3152062
Can we just put Randy Pitchford on the electric chair already?

Anyone here enjoyed Doom instead of Doom II? Doom II is good with the super shotgun and more monsters, but the level design and atmosphere seems overused. All I think of Doom II is the colors brown, black, and red. Also, some of the maps seem like mazes.

>>3153045
I agree with your general opinion. Doom had better level design (at least the high points), but the legacy would be much, much worse if Doom II never existed. The super-shotgun and the new enemies (specially arch-vile, revenant and mancubus) are a central part of what makes doom as great as it is.

>>3152963
Why anon?

Testing out dynamic "laggy" cockpit

>>3153173

Well that's real fuckin neato too

>>3153173
looks great

>>3153173
Can it zoom the cockpit in when jetting forward, and zoom it out when jetting backward? I think that'll help with the sense of momentum.

Also, is jetting for speedy movement going to be possible? It was really fun in Hawken, but it wasn't just hold down the jet button and go. It only let you jet for a short burst, or whatever your equipment allowed, and there was a little delay for doing the same direction twice. So, what we did to move quickly was jet dodge forward, to the side, forward, side, forward, side, and once you learned that you were fast as Hell and out-manoeuvred everyone, except for the better players. You also had the normal flying jets but they were slow and made you a target.

I miss playing Hawken, I don't mind that it would take me a month or so to unlock a new mech or upgrades, playing with the same mech over and over was fine. I even maxed out my Reaper on an exp boost weekend. The feeling of being in a good squad where everyone rolls together, exquisite.

>>3153232
Also, you could turn to the side before jet-strafing so that you're constantly going in the same general direction instead of making a staircase shape.

>>3153045
>Also, some of the maps seem like mazes.

Eh, I'd argue that Doom 1 was more offensive in this regard. Just look at Tom Hall's maps.

Doom 2 is a bit more puzzly than 1 in some maps, though.

Holy fuck I just played Quake 1 deathmatch with a friend for the first time and I can't believe that they actaully made the Thunderbolt kill you when you shoot it in the water. That's fucking genius.

>>3152062
Wow, fuck Gearbox.

>>3153296
if you fire it in the water while invincible, it kills everyone *else* instead!

>>3152062
FUCKING RANDY!
I HOPE YOU GET AIDS

>>3153296
At 250 health and 200 armor you'll actually survive a waterbolt if the person who fired it used 4 or less cells.

>>3153323
Addendum, as long as the person who fired it wasn't you, that is. You will never survive your own bolt without a pentagram.

Wave fisting.

>>3153296

I love causing mass gibbings in DM3's water with the Lightning Gun.

might as well post this.

Heretic had chickens, Hexen had pigs. Seeing as how REKKR isn't a real "game" (in the standalone sense) it gets a not-real animal. Jackalopes. Kill them for health.

Absolutely no idea how to get no bar behind the status bar (currently it has a height of 1) without setting the height to 0 which makes the status bar become tiny and 1:1 instead of scaled up.

The end goal is to edit the status bar graphic so that the sides fill up 16:9 but until then I'd like it to be a little unobtrusive.

>>3153364
but they're so cute

>>3153364
>implying Jackalopes aren't real
Those look awesome by the way

Are there still regularly populated servers out there for any of the Quake games? (Quake Live not included). I kinda wanna get 'em again but I don't know if they'll be worth it if no one's playing.

>>3153369
You don't need to kill them. They don't count toward the end-level percentage. But if you NEED health...

I wish there could be a weapon/cheat that turns you into a jackalope, like heretic/hexen, but not using dehacked anyway.

>>3153372
Thanks. Still need to do a proper death animation, but otherwise they're done. They only have 4 rotations (3 really, but one is mirrored). I don't think I'm going to do the other 2.

We actually have a stuffed jackalope head up on the wall here. It's a fake one though - deer antlers. The real ones are some sort of growth induced by a virus, or fungus or something iirc.

>>3153349
That's cool, but you need to finish that fist, either a gauntlet, or if you're up for it, a complete arm.

>>3153376
>We actually have a stuffed jackalope head up on the wall here. It's a fake one though

You're talking like there are actual real ones.

>>3153352
Always worth it if you can kill more than one person, I say.

>>3153349
What did you piece together to make that? How many kilo-bizzles are you at?

Well like I said there's a virus that gives rabbits horns, but they're not real horns. Most of the time they grow all over their face and shit. But they exist, kinda.

>>3153412
Whoops. Second half was meant for >>3153397

>>3153365
I'm not entirely sure, but I think not using the Height command in the first place makes it fully transparent.

>>3153425
Nope, I tried it and it looks like it just went to 32 height with the height command commented out.

That would have been such a nice solution.

>>3153397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU

>>3153364
I have a question: Why exactly ae you sticking to DEH compatibility?

Also imo that thing would've worked better as chaingun replacement.
And
>there are no wooden parts on this gun
it bothers me for some reason.

>>3153395

I don't think I have the parts to make a full gauntlet, so a glove is as good as I can get.

>>3153412

the cyberdemon's robot leg, and 30 kb right now

>>3153364
>Black Jackalope of Inlé when

>>3153486
Sticking with DEH for fun, and vanilla compatibility. Mostly fun, though. I dunno.

There is no hit-scan chaingun in this. And no hitscan monsters either, except maybe the last boss - haven't decided yet, it's the last monster to do. Waiting to balance the rest of the game first... Sorry about the lack of wood. Every other weapon has some though (except the bfg replacement which isn't at a show-able state yet)

>>3153507
>Sorry about the lack of wood

>>3153432
Huh.. I'm not sure then, I can't see anything that stands out in my own SBARINFO about this.

>>3153545
I tried again after thinking that "Base Doom;" was importing some settings from the Doom status bar since height doesn't have a listed default on the wiki and now when I comment out "Height 32;" and I set Base to None or I comment it out completely, I get the same result as just setting "Height 0;" which is there isn't a stone background border, but also the status bar is tiny and not scaled up.

>>3153558
On the other hand, I got it to work as "StatusBar Fullscreen", but now if this is ever used I've forced everyone to use this HUD and nothing else, not even the cool ZDoom fullscreen HUD, unless I have some sort of ACS option with menus or something but that's pretty out of the way for a user.

>>3153565
"StatusBar Normal, forcescaled", Height set to 0 and Base set to Doom got me it working the way I wanted, and ZDoom's fullscreen HUD still works.

>>3153425
>>3153545
I think you were right, it just didn't work as expected because I must have scaling disabled for something, even though the normal Doom HUD is scaled up. I don't get it but it works now.

I can't stop making rocket punches

>>3153596
i can't stop wanting more

>>3153596
That rocket is hard to follow with that shadow...

>>3153606

I think I'll make it expire faster.

>>3153609
Looks great overall though. Makes me want a bomberman mod for mp. Grid based explosions and all.

>>3153581
Glad you got it working Anon!

reposting from old thread... Watching this iD documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCafnH_eisA [Embed]

And it made me think...doom vs quake.

I dunno about you all, but I am overall disappointed in quake. Never played doom or quake for multiplayer (I know I know) but played hundreds of hours of doom singleplayer WADs and such.

Quake's SP never sucked me in, and I played half way through 1 & 2 before giving up on it and going back to Doom.

Is anyone else with me? Is it common to love Doom but think Quake is meh?

>>3153678
Perhaps try some stellar q1sp like rubicon rumble pack, arcane dimensions, and do it all on skill 2, the way quake should be played.

>>3153691
Seconding these. The Arcane Dimensions levels are real adventures. There's a ton of good Quake singleplayer levels if you just check the Quaddicted archives by user score.

>>3153678
Nah I'm in the same boat.

I think Quake just suffers from being early-3D so enemies and animations aren't all there yet, whereas Q2 just felt boring to me. Maybe because the guns had no muzzle flash, which made them really boring to shoot

>>3153678

I'm in the opposite boat; Quake 1 is more better than Doom 1 and 2. The last time I played Doom was almost three years ago, and I found it kinda dull because of how slow enemies were compared to you.

Quake's enemies are a lot faster and the game overall just feels more intense than Doom.

>>3153731
It's thanks to the change to gothic horror from sci-fi horror and the droning ambient soundtrack from metal music midis. Quake's atmosphere is much more oppressive and it's monsters are more frightening and less goofy.

Still, Doom is a fantastic game.

random question, if I'm using Zandronum offline, how do I bring up the multiplayer "Join" interface, version of Samsara I'm messing around with doesn't have all of it's characters available in the normal character select screen, just the join interface

>>3152930
wait, atari's alive again?
what the fuck i thought they died out a couple of years back

>>3153761
Atari isn't Atari, they're Infogrames with an Atari mask. Remember when they tried to milk all the old Atari properties and every game was terrible?

>>3153760
Type Spectate in console.

>>3153767
thanks(kinda obvious in retrospect)

>>3152062
Archived just in case : http://archive.is/YxYdw

>>3153678
I've always preferred quake over doom. I like the gritty more realistic setting and textures, I like the sound design, the enemies, the level design, everything. Vanilla Doom is meh as fuck, but it comes into its own with the TNT and Plutonia wads

>>3153790
TNT and Plutonia were iwads, and therefore, vanilla.

>>3152062
What's HTTKC?

Why do some people on these threads use "vanilla" to refer to the iwads? Everywhere else, I always see it used to refer to the original unmodified engine.

>>3152062
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8340-the-duke-nukem-forum-on-gearbox/page__view__findpost__p__244642
>I just wanted to clarify: Gearbox hasn't said anything to imply they want to get rid of EDuke32 itself, they've just told us that our license to commercially exploit the game data is invalid, that we must cancel Duke Nukem 3D: Hail to the King Collection, and that something bad will happen to us if we were to exercise said rights. However, the distinction is a bit of a technicality as EDuke32 would clearly be collateral damage.

>>3153801

Because people are silly and like to misuse terms when you can still understand what they mean despite that.

>>3153791
you know what I mean. They're not the original doom and doom 2 maps

>>3153805
I dunno. I still raise my eyebrow at some comments here, because of the misuse.

Like I remember someone once said that even if you play memento mori or alien vendetta, you're no longer playing vanilla. Which to me, just sounds silly, because both of those are vanilla wads.

>>3153801
When I say vanilla I mean doom 1 and 2 out of the box.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_engine#Vanilla_Doom
>As a result of the distinction between the official and fan-made engines, the name vanilla Doom (or vanilla Heretic, etc.) is sometimes used by fans, especially by regular source port users and developers, to describe the original executables themselves, the act of playing with the original executables, or a feature, phenomenon, or add-on that complies with the standard engine to one degree or another (either being strictly compatible, or not having or using characteristics found only in source ports).

>>3153826
Well, since AVand MM are strictly compatible with vanilla engine, Im pretty sure it should be okay to call them vanilla wads.

What's the deal with doom babbies?

>>3153837
Since now on, I declare you "babby-queer". the local retard of /doom/.

What is the superior crate lads, "flat top" or "symmetric cube"

So, im playing through Vela Pax, as it got mentioned here and pickued my interest, and I must say, the music in the first level absolutely kick ass.
Question is: what are the other wads with kickass music, or maybe there's a download with great midis/mod music like this?

>>3153841
"flat top", because intermittent rotated crates are sexy.

>>3153826
>... is sometimes used by fans... to describe the executables themselves
"sometimes" being the operative word. some of us use the word vanilla just for the original games. for me plutonia and TNT aren't vanilla doom, even if they would be considered "vanilla compatible" by modders and those in the know about different source ports.

>>3153845
Map packs by the author Skillsaw usually have fantastic music, like Lunatic or Valiant. Also 90s WADs which have custom music, most of the time it's quite good if a bit silly but charming when they use 90s pop songs.

Does this look okay?

>>3153872
Yeah! Punch it in the butt!

>>3153872

hey kegan, do you realize tumblr allows videos with sound? stop uploading webms without sound, you double weirdo

>>3153891

I don't have any good sounds for this right now and I've been constantly talking with people while making this webms.

Besides they're all stock Doom sounds you dingle

>>3153872
you know what really bothers me?

you can see doomguy's hand holding the bombgun without his glove
and yeah, it looks like there's a missing part in the glove near the bottom somehow

>>3153872
It doesn't really look like a glove, more that Doomguy's hand was amputated and the stump got metally bits glued to the side of it. I think if you flesh out the base of the thumb and lengthen the "glove" to the wrist it'd look like Doomguy's wearing it. (I know you're using TEXTURES and this might be too difficult, I'm just giving opinion)

>>3153913
Also apologies for the crappy doodling.

>>3153910

I know, and I'm not about to make adjustments for 60+ frames to add the wave glove. That's a shitload more coding and TEXTURES sorcery, which potentially might bloat the filesize.

>>3153913

That's actually a really good doodle, and I'm frantically digging through the stock sprites of Doom in hopes of finding something.

>>3153849
Now you mention it, how do I rotate texture? I'm sure I've done it before but I don't remember how

>>3153913

I tried.

>>3153952
Looks definitely better than before.

>>3153952
That looks a hundred times better!

>>3153364
MOTHERF****** JACKA-F******-LOPES

Your game is really looking better and better by the webm. I hope we see a release/demo soon.

>>3153959
>>3153965

Thanks guys. Now onto the next augment

either shell regenerator, super blast gun (pretty much a bigger spray of projectiles, and I'm toying with the idea of adding an augment that changes the bombs into some kinda direct attack projectile.

>>3153853
Only Shareware Doom is vanilla for me

>>3153946
Rotating textures, like the crate so it's sideways? Uhh, I have no idea, is that a ZDoom thing? Otherwise you'd have to make a new version of the texture where it's rotated to the side I think.

>>3153952
Whoa that's looking heaps better, especially with the dark underlayer(?) for the hand to fit in. It looks questionable if you pause on its frames (due to being made using TEXTURES), but that doesn't matter as it looks good in motion.

>>3153994

Only the 0.2 alpha is vanilla for me.

>>3154007
Bullshit, only the 3DO version is vanilla

Hey keegs, could you talk a bit about your TEXTURES workflow?

>>3154007
>not 0.1 alpha

>>3152174
You need to set the upper texture to both lower and upper unpegged, then align it with another texture on the side

>>3154007
well, the 0.2 alpha had some interesting weapon designs.

>>3153365
set height to 0, use forcescaled

>>3154010

Whaddya mean exactly? Cus really my workflow consists of listening to Mario Paint music and wracking my brain trying to figure out what works well, use of imagination is strongly recommended when working with limitations like the one I'm in.

I've realized that when working with TEXTURES you either have to get really clever when working with stock Doom assets, or REALLY patient, for example, the hand holding the laser pistol is actually made up of the same hand holding the normal pistol but cut up into like, 20 pieces and then reassmbled holding the laser gun.

Also as a good pro-tip for modding in general, take a break every once in awhile and do something that makes you laugh. I just use skeletons as my outlet. Make sure to record/catalogue anything particularly funny like that weird trail effect error I had with the lance in GMOTA, where the after images were falling to the floor.

>>3154021
>boner mod

hdoom 2 confirmed?

>>3154024

You wish, this is actually gonna get finished.

>>3154021
I mean having to start the game up to see what all these offsets and shit are actually producing every time you make a change seems like a chore.

>>3154028

Yeah, that's just par for the course with this sorta development, and game development in general.

I've realized I genuinely enjoy it because I'm sick in the head.

>>3154029
..I think im gonna try chaosedit or that thing bundled with danimator instead :|

>>3154032

Good luck anon, you might have to like, export the images into those programs though, I'm pretty sure the method I'm using is the fastest and most straightforward method.

>>3152102
>he doesn't like delicious low poly torpedo tits

What the fuck is wrong with you?

vanilla is an engine description, it means DOS doom.exe, nothing to do with the maps/wads you are playing other than "vanilla wads" mean wads compatible with the vanilla engine e.g. tnt plutonia mm mm2 hr av etcetcetc.

>>3153853
But TNT and Plutonia were among the original games.

>>3153296
Quake 1's deathmatch is the best in the series, seriously.

The introduction of the railgun later ruined everything. Q3A wishes it was as fast as Q1.

>>3153364
ha that kinda reminds me of a an old game natural fawn killers where you kill a bunch of bunnies with a Gatling gun in one level
anybody else remember it?

>>3153746
>it's monsters are more frightening and less goofy.
And then there's the Shambler who manages to be goofy as shit as it's shuffling around swiping at enemies and then pants-shittingly frightening once it starts chasing after you at fucking mach 6 while hurling lightning bolts at your ass trying to find cover to hide behind.

>>3153731
I agree. Quake is my jam. Doomguy is technically faster than Ranger, but Quake is faster overall.

>>3154095
The people that find Shamblers cute I will never understand. It's easy to find Doom monsters cute, but with Quake it's a multitude of times harder.

>>3154120
Shamblers just want a hug.

>>3154120
You could make a shambler stuffy and it would be cute in a sort of ironic fashion, but as designed everything in that game is nightmare sauce. Except the piddly knights, I suppose.

>>3154145
>ou could make a shambler stuffy and it would be cute in a sort of ironic fashion,
they're already supposed to be fluffy according to romero, just the graphics couldn't show it at the time

>>3154146
i did think they looked like they were meant to be covered in fur

>>3154145
>You could make a shambler stuffy and it would be cute in a sort of ironic fashion,
There's nothing ironic about cute plushies.

This one isn't that great, though, the head is too tall and the mouth needs to take up more of it.

>>3154141
heh was waiting for this to show up again

>>3154159
That just looks like a generic yeti doll without eyes and a bloody mouth.

>>3154176
Exactly. It seems like no one can ever get the Shambler's proportions just right, especially compared to the oodles of Doom fanart.

Maybe it's the whole head-neck-torso thing with the weird little legs compared to the generally pretty humanoid and sprite-based (so no odd model deformation) Doom enemies.

>>3154159
Forget the head, they missed the part where its arms are so long it can drag its knuckles on the ground.

>>3152097 >>3152081 >>3152062

Did it. Doubt anything's gonna go down, but y'know, JUST IN CASE.

http://jinotra.in/downloads/eduke32_mirror

>>3154193
Well that's good. I bet nothing serious will go down, but it's good to have insurance.

>>3152094
Yes, more Purgatori.

>>3153853
Eh, I more interpreted that "is sometimes used by fans" as meaning some fans use a different term to refer to the original DOS engine, like simply Doom Engine, or id tech 1.

I can't find anywhere that suggests the meaning "the levels id software made" for Vanilla was commonly used among the community's lifespan.

>>3154189
>>3154192
On top of that Quake enemies are just really stumpy in general.

It seems like Quake really should use the same intentionally-stretched-aspect-ratio thing Doom does- and for all the oldest screenshots of Q1 I can find (game mags, previews etc) some screenshots are stretched but others aren't- but everywhere I've looked says that it was meant to be played 1:1.

I don't know why no one has made a fuss about this before, because now I can't un-notice it.

>>3154234
On one hand, all the square buttons, door switches, etc. become taller and rectangular and the round teleports become ovals, but on the other hand stuff like the red stained glass ovals become actual circles (something that shows up even in new mapsets like Arcane Dimensions) and most enemies look less midget-like.

Maybe I should just accept that Quake is wonky as fuck in general and not worry about it too much.

>>3154263
Interesting. It's never bothered me too much though.

>>3154263
Even Ranger's face looks better! It's a Christmas miracle!

>>3154263
>stuff like the red stained glass ovals become actual circles

But that's not how perspective works. You should see a circle as being elliptical if viewed from a low angle.

>>3154275
I'm well aware of that, but the oval in E1M2 (and everywhere else) is still elliptical if viewed from a straight-on angle with a 1:1 render res.

>>3154279
And yet the pentagram bas relief is a perfect circle. Looks like those stain glass windows were meant to be elliptical.

>>3154279
On top of that, the texture itself is oblong- as are lots of other curved textures like other round ceiling bits, end of level arches, and so on- which leads to further questions.

>>3154286
I noticed that afterwards, yeah, but there's also the BIG big red circle- the one that's made from four smaller 192x192 (IIRC) textures just rotated around themselves, and that one is definitely big and long with nothing to say otherwise. There's also Ranger's face like >>3154271 said, similar to Doomguy's squished face when using a non-stretched resolution, and multiple textures that make squares when stretched but rectangles when standard, and that some enemies (Grunts, Zombies, other humanoids) look like midgets normally but like normal-sized humans when stretched, and other enemies (Vores, Shamblers) look like toothpicks when stretched.

I'm almost willing to guess that some of the art assets in Quake were designed to be played in a stretched resolution- like when making them for Doom- and others were designed to be used with no stretching required, like later true 3d engines. If nothing else, it would go hand in hand with how rushed and cobbled-together Quake was and the stories about not wanting to throw away stuff the art guys had made even as the game changed theme.

'course, you can probably handwave it all by pointing out that when you're dealing with the Great Old Ones, you shouldn't expect the architecture to make sense anyway so why not make it a meta example?

Is Chocolate Heretic/Hexen ok? Any issues?

What's the best laser you've seen in (G)ZDoom? Looking to have this thing look nice and not awful, maybe just good. Alternatively, comfy.

Any comfy laser effects?

>>3154305
It's as close to DOS as you can get.

>>3154302
Also as it turns out the little circle with the pentagram isn't actually a perfect circle. Close, but not quite, not that there's a big difference when talking about such a small scale.

But enough about this nonsense. Quake V when?

>>3154307
Yeah, chocolate doom was good. Wasn't sure if it was as good as that though. Ill use it after I'm done quake 1 and 2

>>3154310
anon you know quake v will just be another doom iv

>tfw no vr stroggification

>>3154286
It's MORE circular, but still not quite actually circular.

>>3154021
Other guy here
How do I get iwad images to show up in the visual textures editor?

who else got hard in the stroggification scene

>>3154310
I shudder to think what Quake V would be seeing the direction Doom's going.

>>3154314
Was Quake 4 memorable in any way aside from the stroggification sequence?

>>3154315
>>3154310
I want art of Ranger with a protractor and set of French curves meticulously measuring archways and Quad Damage powerups to see if they're circular enough.

>>3154320
the big guy

metal shout woman

green rifle

john marine--space marine, now strogg marine, to save space

>>3154319
It'll be better than Quake 4. Mostly.

>>3154320
I enjoyed it more than Doom 3 if that means anything.

>>3154324
Got a good chuckle out of that.

>>3154324
"The real madness is in these proportions. Seriously, whoever made this place should be fired!"

>>3154324
Good news! The Quad Damage is in fact circular! Or as circular as you can get with eight sides that don't even make an enclosed shape.

>>3154334
MATH IS NOTHING TO LAUGH ABOUT, especially when it comes to aspect ratios and units of measurement for game maps and enemies and the associated fucked-up scaling that usually goes hand in hand with them.

Hell, you want an example of really bad scaling issues, replace Return to Castle Wolfenstein- all the enemies are half your height and are barely tall enough to reach the levers, signs, tables and other details, and all the doors have the door handles a foot off the ground and then seven feet of nothing.

>>3154341
>replace
*replay, shit

>>3154341
>especially when it comes to aspect ratios and units of measurement for game maps and enemies and the associated fucked-up scaling that usually goes hand in hand with them.

No, that someone genuinely cares about this is something to laugh about.

>>3154319
If it revisited Quake 1 in any form that'd be a step in the right direction.

Unfortunately it will probably just be Quake 2 Episode 3.

>>3154346
Please don't laugh at my autism.

>>3154351
It's weird how different Quake's sequels are compared to it.

>>3154354
It makes sense if you consider that Quake 1 was a mishmash of ideas from the start and turned out nothing like the RPG concepts they had made- Quake started as a mess and every subsequent game bearing the title has little to no relation to the other titles.

Quake is id's recycling bin.

>>3154354
You would think the siblings of the eons-old Great One would actually notice when one of the slave race made by a slave race made by their own slave race manages to kill one, and do something about it.

Or whatever, just keep ignoring everything ever, they seem pretty good at that.

Nyarlathotep for Quake 5.

Why do my walls still look like they're "falling". I've tried lower unpegged, upper unpegged, both unpegged, but nada.

Is there a way to change the way shooting a gun lights up a room in Quakespasm? I don't like the solid orange color that goes over the screen when you do.

>>3154337
Are those the subtitles that show up to "HUUUGH HUUUGH HUUUGH HUUUGH HUUUGH"?

>>3154359
>every subsequent game bearing the title has little to no relation to the other titles.

2, 4 and Wars are all related. Only 1 and 3 are self-contained, and only 1 has any actual story or lore.

>>3154363
Try making a sector behind those walls, so the moving sectors have something behind them that stays still..

Lower unpegged should work though. kind of odd

>>3154369
3 has lore! It's a bunch of inter-dimensional warriors brought together to shoot each other with rockets! That's enough lore for me, really.

>>3154365
You mean the flare from the muzzle flash? I don't think so, but it certainly shouldn't be orange, Quake doesn't have support for colored lighting outside of lighting in maps and that's only supported by sourceports, not the vanilla game. It should also only be lighting up a foot or so around you, not the whole screen; can you get a screenshot of it?

>>3154369
I forgot Quake Wars even existed.

>>3154374
>inter-dimensional warriors brought together to shoot each other with rockets
Including the Quake 1 protag (Ranger), Quake 2 protag (Bitterman) and Doomguy (Doomguy).

Does Quake have the deepest lore?

>>3154376
When I shoot any gun, a translucent orange color goes over the screen then quickly disappears. I feel like it isn't suppose to do that. What's the button to screenshot in Quakespasm?

>>3154374
>3 has lore!

Dream matches aren't lore. Quake 3 is the FPS equivalent of KOF '98.

>>3154382
Default Quake binding is F12 to snap a .tga file that shows up in your game directory. You'll have to convert it to jpg/png to post it, though.

If you're having trouble getting a freezeframe of it, try entering host_timescale 0.01 in the console to slow down time beforehand.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=48223

anyone understand how to adjust the offset for the beam on the player side? i've been swapping numbers and not a damn thing is happening as far as i can see.

>>3154384
Hmm, so what we're seeing here is that games about Dream matches are the coolest in the series.

>>3154391
0.01 might be too slow, actually, 0.1 should be fine.

But an orange tint over the whole screen is definitely something that isn't supposed to happen.

>>3154391
It doesn't seem noticeable, but there's a slight orange tint over everything as I'm shooting the nailgun.

>>3154341
>Hell, you want an example of really bad scaling issues, replace Return to Castle Wolfenstein- all the enemies are half your height and are barely tall enough to reach the levers, signs, tables and other details, and all the doors have the door handles a foot off the ground and then seven feet of nothing.

I'd been meaning to replay it because it's a rad game and now you've probably gone and ruined it for me

:(

>>3154363
Perhaps ecause you're using an elevator action senpai

>>3154372
Made a sector behind it that doesn't need to be lowered and it works now, thanks.

Webm related, it's the secret area that is now finished script/geometry wise. Textures are still all default things. I generally don't mix texturing with "carving/sculpting" the map.

>>3154410
The way you made it look like the ceiling was collapsing looks really cool.

>>3154404
It's noticeable enough to see compared to what it should look like. That's very strange and definitely unintended, like it's taking the muzzle flash light and applying it everywhere while also somehow giving it color.

No idea what would be causing it, unfortunately. I'm assuming you're using the latest version of QS and your drivers are all up to date?

>>3154410
>perfectly looping webm
YOOOOO

>>3154409
It's "Floor and Ceiling lower by value"

>>3154418
Thanks

>>3154421
Oh shit, it's basically looping indeed. Shweeeeeeet

>>3154410
Oooh, that first part is very cool, I agree with the other anon.

>>3154419
I have the latest drivers, dunno what's wrong.
I tried using that other engine DirectQ and the gun flashes seemed pretty normal in that. Might be something wrong with my OpenGL stuff?

Is there some option where you can change how the gun flashes look anyway?

>>3154432
>Might be something wrong with my OpenGL stuff?
Possibly, although unlikely. Try reinstalling Quakespasm and/or trying a different download of the id1 folder?

>Is there some option where you can change how the gun flashes look anyway?
Maybe in Darkplaces, but Quakespasm lacks most options like that in its strive for a vanilla experience- your graphical options are pretty much "screen on" and "screen off" aside from resolution and HUD size.

And next week we're finally getting the D44M "looks" that matter

>>3154456
These streams are gonna be the final deciding factor in whether or not I wait until the game's $40 or less before buying, they better be pretty goddamned impressive.

>>3154456
>snapmap
>innovative

>>3154392

What are you trying to do, specifically?

>Really want to do a Castlevania TC

Damn. Try to talk me out of it? or steer me to any Castlevania textures or previous attempts at a doom / heretic / hexen TC?

I have the complete map of symphony of the night that I could use for textures, but it would take some ripping. Beautiful textures though. I'm sure they would work great in doom tech 1

>>3154464
Do it anon

>>3154456
I really hope it'll be at least fun looking. This is goona hurt if it ends up bad.

>>3154464
>Castlevania TC for Doom

Fucking yeah do it. Just having Castlevania music itself would be fantastic in Doom.

So I've got a bullet tracer actor that spawns between the puff and the actor firing, and in order to get a bullet whiz-by sound I made them all loop a whiz-by sound with a small radius.

It works well enough, though the choice of which actor gets to make a noise in the string of actors that make up the tracer seems random, and I can hear my own tracer's whiz-by at full volume.

I figure the two things I can do are play another copy of the sound, inverted, with a Doomguy-sized radius so that up close and potentially close enough to hit it's silent / very quiet, or I can create a lookup table for a custom rolloff that fades up close, then loud, then fades again. Neither of these sound that great but I'm going to try them.

>>3154463
I just want the tracer to start a little higher on the player, it looks like it's coming from my genitals.

>>3154456
MOD TOOLS WHEN?
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>>3154478
Never.

>>3154438
Just tried running my ID1 folder through Darkplaces and the gun flashes looked fine. This is so strange.

>>3154472
>it looks like it's coming from my genitals.

This doesn't sound like a problem, frankly.

>>3154478

>>3154468
>>3154470
Oh yeah, music was the first thing I grabbed. I think it could work, although it would take me a while to work out a dynamic and whip up all the weapons.

>>3154489
You do know those russians leaked stuff related to idStudio months back ri- oh wait, that doesn't fit the narrative, my bad.

>>3154482
Huh, very odd. I've got no idea what could be causing the issue then unless it's an odd bug with that specific version of Quakespasm not playing nice with your system.

>>3154491
That's also just what the internal development suite is called. It does not confirm mod tools at all.

>>3154456
>>3154458
>>3154459
>>3154469
>>3154478
>>3154479
>>3154489
>>3154491
>>3154493
not retro

>Playing Powerslave EX
>Having a great time
>Get to the Amun Mines

This level is horrible. It's like the game suddenly wants me to hate it.
Insta-death floors and pits everywhere, even very late into the level.

>>3154510
Thanks Judge Anon, I'm glad you're kipping Megacity /vr/ from scum like us.

>>3154510
Can you not infect the thread with your T/v/B? Thanks.

Holy fuck I just now realized the SSG frames are frankensprite edits of the normal SG's frames

>>3154516
>caring about Doom 4

>>3154538
>Not caring about the way Bethesda is slowly shoving its arm up our asses and methodically ripping out our prostates individually.

>>3154549
300 bucks.

>>3154551
I'm not paying for the Fix My Prostate DLC

>>3154538
Some people were hopeful anon

Also holy kek, this autist/shill/faggot. I can't believe I watched it all. What else can I expect from a vid found on the doom plebbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWT2c03q0DE

>>3154563
Holy shit I'm mad again

>>3154563
>Doesn't look like Halo or COD
Granted it looks like Halo more than COD. But on Earth is he saying that Doom4 looks nothing like those games?

Anyway, to retro it up a bit more, here's PROGRESS. Nothing quite like starting a map with the exit (Colosseum Bossfight) and then working backwards into the void.

>>3154604
Starting at the end of your map then finishing it up at the start is a very good way of doing things. Same with making megawads. Last level first, first level last.

>>3154563
>Open thumbnail
>U MAD BRO?
>Pile of Shit Emoji
Not even watching it.

>>3154610
That's not how you do it at all.
If you do this, the last level is underwhelming as fuck.
What you should do is:
Do the mid-section of your mapset/game first, then do the last level, then do the first level last.

Are there any resources or guides on producing character sprites based on figures/models? I'm not even sure what this technique is called. Any help is appreciated.

Found this while looking at Gloom resources:
http://www.exec.pl/artykul.jsp?nid=66&Gloom_-_tworzenie_postaci_i_nie_tylko

>>3154549
they're only doing that if you care about doom4. in which case, see >>3154538.

>>3154562
C'MON COLLEGE BOY.

Hey, this wasn't so hard.

>>3154478
Remember Rage mod tools?

Yeah, I didn't think so. Expect any idtech6 SDK to be as inaccessible as that. There's still a small chance of certain modifications being possible without an SDK(The alpha got "Modded" already), but don't count on an SDK producing anything useful even if it is released.

>>3154738

This is why I'm grateful for them making snapmap and glad it exists. Without it nobody would ever make any custom content for the game on account of it being too fucking tedious. I hear RAGE was notoriously hard to mod for even with the SDK.

>>3154738
You mean there could be a possibility to make other mods like custom weapons n shit with either SnapMap or something else? Cus it'd be cool in general if there was a weapon equivalent of SM.

>>3154762
Snapmap is still pretty limited, unless they intend to build it up to a doombuilder/SLADE equivalent. As it is now, it's a touched up Forge mode from halo.

For the level making Anons here, how long do you think it usually take you from conception to completion to make a level that you feel is suitable for release for the general public?

>>3154798
11 years and counting

>>3154798
Depends on level size and how much I can make myself work on it. A day for a smaller level which I can already visualize quite well, week(s) for larger levels which are still rather abstractly shaped in my mind.

>>3153804
Wasn't Duke3D like, open sourced or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCLgUG3_AU

Why does Duke get decent 3D models and Doom nothing?

>>3154832
Because with DOUK, its easier to deal with 3D models than gzdoom.

This is turning out pretty cool. Next up is finishing the decorate for the rest of the weapons and making a nice hud.

~15kb so far.

>>3154841

Why is that?

>>3154846
Optimization.

I am 100% sure that GZDoom starts shitting the bed if there's a big load of 3D models, and also GZDoom, or the doom engine in general (as in, sourceports that support 3d models) make the 3d modeled monsters move like fucking ass.

>>3154851
GZDoom doesn't have shading or even fucking angle interpolation for it's models. It's atrocious.

>>3154832
watching that i realised there is a map in the hell on earth starter pack that is remarkably similar

>>3154832
>Why does Duke get decent 3D models

I dunno senpai, those still look like shit.

>>3154860

They look fine. Even rather pointless as they look just like the 2D sprites. No better, no worse.

>>3154863
>look just like the 2D sprites

You cannot honestly be looking at those animations and be thinking "Yup looks just like the original".
The pistol reload alone is one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen.

>>3154795

It's still better than nothing at all. It might even be better than if just the SDK itself was released, because at least with snapmap we won't have to wait a year for somebody to create even a small sized level. Games made with better technology become increasingly harder to mod for as an unfortunate side-effect.

I do hope they add onto snapmap and remove the limitations for PC.

>>3154845
Holy shit! This is rad as fuck!

Why do the weapons in Quake feel so weak?

>>3154845

>>3154787
Custom weapons with custom graphics? I doubt it, not in Snapmap. Being able to modify weapon properties? Possibly. Wait a week.

>>3154795
It's hard to make something that manages to be both as deep and easy to use as Doombuilder/SLADE with modern AAA graphics and AI being involved, and just snapping prefabbed rooms together both solves all that and lets them keep maps at a low filesize to be hosted on their user content network and downloaded/uploaded in seconds.

>>3154883
Most likely due to beefier health for enemies combined with less than stellar looking weapon animations.

>>3154902
>beefier health for enemies
enemy health in quake is much lower than doom
MUCH lower

>>3154902
Also it's to do with the shotgun being the starter with near doom pistol damage, but being more useful than the pistol.

>>3154902
Im playing on hard. The shotgun just doesn't feel as good as Doom, the super nail gun is alright, the rocket launcher seems like more of a tool than a weapon, the grenade seems better than the rocket launcher cause you can bounce it around corners.

Just got the lighting gun and it seems alright.

>>3154905
You have to look at it from the perspective of the weapon damage, the hp values themselves are arbitrary.

>>3154563
heh, that guy's deleting all comments critical of him

faggot

>>3154898

Fair enough about weapon properties. I'll prolly ask via the Twitch Chat (if I can at the time) whether or not weapon modding will be possible in SnapMap, and whether or not we'll get something separate for custom weapons.

>>3153952
>filename
sensible chuckle

Looks like that wacky Romero man is starting a newsletter about his new game and company. The email I got says the first edition of the newsletter heads in on friday.
http://www.nightworkgames.com/

>>3154964
If you go to a page that doesn't exist, like http://www.nightworkgames.com/index.html , Squarespace (the host) will ask if you want to search for the content you failed to find down at the bottom.

>You can return to our homepage by clicking here, or you can try searching for the content you are seeking by clicking here.

Let's see if we can find something.

>>3154456
>first picture
>cybermancubus
>description
WHO THE FUCK IS DR. PIERCE????

>>3154982
Bertruger 2.0: Boobs Edition.

>>3154845
On-rails shooter mod when?

>>3154989
John Romero was right, ID isn't going to innovate anymore.

Doom 3.5 confirmed

>>3154993
When someone takes the source code from that thing once it's released and makes one. I find on-rails shooters quite boring desu senpai

ROMERO'S BACK (with Adrian as his sidekick)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbDQSOmwA20

>>3155024
I can't believe this is real.
This is the most beautiful thing I've seen in years.

>>3155024
ADRIAN'S BACK

ADRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

AAAAAAAADRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAN

He's going to make the good monsters!!

>>3155024
HOLY FUCK YES IT'S HAPPENING!!!

>>3155024
I FUCKING KNEW IT
They looked so chummy in that twitter pic where they met up at adrians hotel.

>>3154964
this is getting shilled here for the next two years isn't it. fucking great

>>3155024
>kb+m
ah yeah