/vr/ - Retro Games

Saturn is fucking tits if you like ports of early 90s arcade games and real Japanesey shit.

Saturn library is actually fucking great but half of it is Japanese Only and 40% of the rest is expensive as fuck

It doesn't have the huge number of shovelware nugamer shit that ended up destroying the industry that the N64 and PS1 did. It had a few, of course, but the rest of the library was pretty much console gaming's last hurrah.

>>3150774
totally worth it

>>3150790
Are the japanese games at least import friendly?

>>3150806

Some, but Saturn is also region locked.

The library is expensive as hell right now, I don't recommend it. US games are more expensive than there japanese counterparts and the japan only releases that are worth a damn are also very expensive.

The library is much smaller and tighter in terms of quality than the Playstation, but this gives creates an optical illusion for nostaligistic people. The library for the Playstation may have more shovelware, but it has tons more quality games and at more reasonable prices, most of which were released in the US. (sorry if your not the in the US, also, i don't play or collect on the N64 so i can not help you there either)

>>3150774
If you buy a Saturn you should also get an Action Replay 4M Plus and a modchip. Everything else is up to you.
And yes the shoot'em'up library alone is worth owning the console for.

>>3150774
It's great. So great I have a dozen of them. And huge box full of sealed jap games. Because 10 of them are modded.

The Saturn really doesn't compare to the PS1 and N64.

I'm not saying that because it's better or worse, but because the library is different from what you would expect to find on the other 5th gen consoles.

It's an arcade machine for the most part, and it excelled at 2D games. The PS1 had its fair share of arcade ports as well, but they were usually worse than on the Saturn. One notable exception is DoDonPachi, which was better on PS1.

>>3150774
http://pastebin.com/t7NFpzbA

It's great if you enjoy arcade games. Saturn didn't last long enough to develop a significant amount of exclusives.

Has some of the best platformers of the generation.
NiGHTS and Burning Rangers.

>>3151446
nights and phantasy star are also aon playsilly2 hmm i forgot sega rally ,virtua on yakuza sonic oh thosed list goes on

>>3151451
The PS2 version is a different game. Basically a poor port at best.

>>3151451
>>3151453
Yeah grab the steam version not the ps2 one. The physics are all messed on the ps2.

it's as funky as you wanna be

>>3150792
>It doesn't have the huge number of shovelware nugamer shit that ended up destroying the industry that the N64 and PS1 did.
Hey there SM64 guy. At it again, aren't you?

It all depends on what you're into. To me, as someone who just started collecting for it, the Sega Saturn is an awesome console with great exclusives. The games are pricey but if you're someone who likes quick arcade-like experiences it's for you. Those types of games didn't interest me much growing up but now that I'm older and and don't have much free time, I feel myself gravitating to those types of arcadey games and the Saturn has loads of them.

For longer experiences, there are a few RPGs and while they're good they're also super expensive. Dragon Force is an awesome game that's a Saturn exclusive and Magic Knight Rayearth is cool too. Albert Oddessy is another but they're over $100 each.

Imports are a lifesaver but of course RPGs aren't so great in another language. Panzer Dragoon 1&2 are nice imports, and the Saturn version of Mega Man X3 is pretty cool.

It really comes down to what kind of gamer you are, OP

>>3151721
How much of a hipster do you have to be to talk about Saturn RPGs and ignore PDS...

>>3150774
It's probably THE most arcade-centric system ever, even moreso than the TG-16. Top tier shit if you like 90s arcade games.

Unfortunately it's EXPENSIVE AS FUCK to collect for due to low sales and most of the games being Japanese exclusive. The prices often get over $100 for anything even remotely rare or in demand.

>>3151734

Uh, I guess dude. The only reason for the omission is that I haven't played it myself and it's nearly $500.

>>3151792
It's peaking $600 now.

If you can I highly recommend playing it either emulation or w/e.

It's amazing for what it is.

>>3150774
Hey op! Get a chipped one, and play cd'rs? No need to spend top dollar for things you can get for free ^___^

>>3151308
>modchip
there is the psuedosaturn mod which utilizes the AR Cart to play burnt cds game and now works with over 96% of the games

It's not as big as the PS1 library, but it has a way more varied and interesting library than the N64, especially taking imports into account.

>>3150774
Better arcade ports than PS1.
Better fighting games than PS1.
Better 2D than PS1.

And that's about it.

>>3151809
Problem is that it's getting rid of the save function of the Action Replay. You only need to solder one wire when using a modchip. What's the fucking problem?

>>3152302

The AR carts aren't reliable though, I've lost saves on mine.
It's fine if you want to solder a chip, but pseudosaturn is also a pretty valid option.

For saves, the best thing is to have an official backup memory cart, and replace the internal battery of the console. I only transfer my saves to my original cart every once in a while in case the battery suddenly dies.

>>3152314
It's only one wire. I've prepped tons of saturns before and had no problem. Why the hell do people want to fuck with swapping discs so they can reprogram a AR if modchips are available. It takes about 5 minutes to make a modchip work inside your console.

>>3152334
Last i checked modchips were out of stock

>>3152334

Maybe because modchips aren't as easy to get?

As I said, it's ok if you have a modchip and want to solder it, but using pseudosaturn is also fine if you've got an AR cart. You only need to do the swap disc once. Takes less than 5 minutes.

>>3152365
Last week I ordered some more and they are about to be delivered tomorrow. Don't know what kind of modchip you are talking about.

>>3152373
You still have to open the console to do the swap trick. And modchips are not really hard to get. I really don't know what you are talking about.

>>3150792
>>systems before saturn didnt have shovel ware
>has never played atari 2600 or nes

>>3152395
I don't even have a modchip or use pseudosaturn. I've played every game using the swap trick on the system for the past 10 years.

>>3152395

I'm just talking about an alternative. You seem pissed because people won't modchip their console and use pseudosaturn instead. All I'm telling you is that both options are fine, if you have a modchip, it's fine. If you have a n AR and want to do pseudosaturn, it's also fine.
No need to get defensive over something like this my man.

>>3152302

Doing that would mean altering the Saturn's original hardware, I prefer to have my Saturn as virgin and pristine as possible.

>>3150774
lota loyalty for a dead system

>>3152428

It's fine if you've actually owned the system since the 90s, but people jumping on the bandwagon now and acting as die-hard sega/saturnfans are annoying.

>>3152428
It's not dead fucker, it lives on inside all of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X40cL4U0uTc

>>3152302
I bought a Saturn memory card from Nippon for less than 20 bucks and it fits all my game save there but yeah I am worried about the cart swapping fucking up my Pins.
I mean to each of their own I suppose I'm not against modchipping it but i'm merely offering alternate option for those interested.

>>3152434
Why would you get mad at people taking an interest in an old console?

>>3152458
Not him.

It's hipster shit and a few years from now they wont give a shit.

>>3152423
>>3152403
Not really pissed but if we are talking about modding the Saturn there is no excuse for not doing it. It's one of the easiest mods out there and way more convenient than swapping discs or flashing a perfectly fine AR Cart.I know that there are other alternatives but in my opionion it's just easier to modifiy a console and be done with it.

>>3152427
You don't alter anything at the console itself. The only thing that's needed is a power source for the chip.

>>3152517
I'd never buy a Saturn that had mod chip installed in it.

Mod chips in general are just a bad idea.

>>3152517
>a perfectly fine AR Cart

As I said, my AR cart has deleted my files before, I didn't mind turning it into a pseudosaturn cart.
I never really cares about the cheat codes included, never really used any of them, but anyway if you want, you can reflash the cart again and it will go back to its original mode.

>>3152383
where did you order them from?

>>3152434
>>3152441
well perhaps I'm wondering why someone would buy a saturn... before purchasing a dreamcast.

>>3152527
>Mod chips in general are just a bad idea.
I disagree. They make playing most CD-Rs a lot more convenient than if done with most other methods, especially the swap trick.

>>3152545
DC emulation is good enough.

>>3151743
Most JP exclusive games are cheap though.
Of course there are exceptions, like Cotton 2 (I believe it's in 15-20k yen range), but most games are cheaper, in 200 yen - 5k yen range.

>>3152556
This. I just wish I could actually find one for mine.

>>3152559
It doesn't matter what you can emulate. What matters is authenticity.

no one cared about what I played until I bought a dreamcast

>>3152580
>no one cared about what I played until I bought a dreamcast
Who were supposed to care about what you play?

>>3152582
it would be extremely painful

>>3152586

oh fuck that meme.

>>3152580
Welcome to the most unauthentic console, since its so damn easy to play copied games on it.

Where the fuck do you buy them? theyve been out of stock for MONTHS

>>3152582
>>3152580
>>3152545

KEK

>>3152595
was getting memed on part of your plan?

Is saturn the most aesthetic console?

>>3152580
Dr. Eggman, I'm CIA.

>>3152598
for you

>>3152609
As in "aesthetic meme" or "similar style game library"?

>all this meming

>>3152606
Kinda. I kind of realized it was part of a meme but I couldn't remember which one (fuck that batman meme, it's old as fuck, facebook-tier, like most memes, and was never funny).
But since I couldn't put my finger on it I asked who was he talking about. It would be funny if he turned out to be some sort of youtuber and did letplays and the only way he got people to care was by buying a real console instead of emulating, or something like that.

As the modchips are in stock no where

>>3152373
I'm going to assume this anon was lying and being bitchy for no reason.

>>3152624
Well congratulations, you got yourself caught. Now what's the next step of your master plan?

>>3152609

I want to know who was the first hipster that decided to use JP Saturn labels on his slowed down 80s music shit e-release and punch his acne-ridden face.

>>3152634

I wonder how many kids who got into Sega Saturn recently was because of the vaporwave fad.

>>3152634
This is a thing? I must not get out enough. Do you have an example?

>>3152609
>>3152634
>>3152643
>I was hating vaporwave before it was cool to hate vaporwave
~Vapes mouth fedora~

>>3152669
>>3152643

The fuck is vaporwave anyways?
>Look it up on youtube
>I actually enjoy the sound of it
I'm so confused. My generation is supposed to hate new music now. Maybe I'm going through a midlife crisis at 30.

>>3152658

Lots of vaporwave releases have covers involving sega saturn labels, as well as statues and all that other hipster "neo 80s" shit.
I wonder how many of these kids ever played with a Sega Saturn, most of them are a lot younger than the Sega Saturn.

>>3152692
Vaporwave is great.

Ever since the cancer of dubstep it's now hip to hate any new form of electronic music.

See future funk also if you like vaporwave.

>>3152692

That's not a surprise because vaporwave is basically just older music, except slowed down.
There are one or two producers who actually do their own music from scratch, but 99% of vaporwave "artists" on the internet are teenagers that look for the most obscure 80s/90s music from either commercials, old anime or whatever, and they just set it through any audio program that lets you slow down the bpm and voile a, vaporwave a la carte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZOwY04YPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzGPpM76fQ

>>3152709

Hey kid. I'll let you in on some obscure history.

Look up circuit bending. After you do that don't bother coming back or giving your opinion on music again.

>>3152702
I just play games instead of worrying about this shit.

>>3152726

I've been listening to Merzbow and Yasunao Tone before you were even born. Don't talk to me like that, insolent asshole.

And yeah, now go and google Yasunao Tone.

>>3152726
Artzie got me to start watching Urusei Yatsura.
Top comfy anime, famalam.

>>3152835
Why does she only wear a tiger bikini?

>>3152835

>He watched Lum because of a vaporwave album

how young are you

>>3152856

Amazing how the post next to yours replied to your question. She also wears a sailor fuku and many other outfits throughout the manga/series/movies.

>>3152709

That is only true for shit vaporwave though like this >>3152726


the good vaporwave can and probably should be considered new retro wave though

>>3152882

And what is some good vaporwave?

I think vaporwave itself is not meant to be actual good music, it's a satire of 90s consumism society and "AESTHETICS" (they put more effort into the making of their virtual releases than the actual music tracks).

As far as I know, vaporwave exists as a novelty, and it's meant to be like that, the shallow, commercial sound mixed with obscure vocal samples or melodies are there just as a novelty. It's kitsch, post-ironic stuff.
Of course there are people that find the music comfortable to listen to, these guys would probably also like Enya.

>>3151721
>Albert Oddessy
It's got some of the worst writing and voice acting in the world.

>>3150792
>It doesn't have the huge number of shovelware nugamer shit that ended up destroying the industry that the N64 and PS1 did.

is this the final form of autism

>>3153762
The voice acting is fine as is the story.

Didn't know Saturns existed until about 8 years ago. I shrugged it off thinking it must have sucked. I realize now that it had some good games, but it just had bad luck. From an early launch, being difficult to make games for it, and Sony entering the fray, it never stood a chance.

>>3152595
Hothead detected.

>>3150774
You'll have to go for the obscure Jap-only games. A lot of the NA releases that are regarded as the "best" games on the system, like NiGHTS and Panzer Dragoon Saga, are actually pretty average games.

How is Saturn emulation?

>>3152835
>>3152860
Any reason to start watching Lum is good. I got started with the awful dub they did of the first episode or two and translated as "Those Obnoxious Aliens" Whatever gets you started!

>>3154115
>A lot of the NA releases that are regarded as the "best" games on the system, like NiGHTS and Panzer Dragoon Saga, are actually pretty average games.
Have you considered you just hate nice things?

>>3154115
There are many better games than Nights on the system.

>>3150774
SSF Emulates excellently.
geocities dot jp/mj3kj8o5/ssf/index.html

>>3154130
I'm trying super hard to like PDS, but it's just not that special. I'm on disc 3 and I'm really just playing it for the sake of finishing it. It's kinda fun and I appreciate the minimalist design, but I don't understand why it's hyped as much as it is.

>>3154142
The world is amazing. It's like a FF7 minus the grind and more boss battles. Combat system is fun.
>>3154135
I'd take NiGHTS over Astal. Astal is carried heavily by its sprite work and the anime fmv.

>>3154142
Never heard of the story "the emperor's new clothes"?
God forbid to say the truth about PDS, it's nothing special.

>>3154156
>reviews from the 90s to present are wrong
>my opinion is correct
Neat!

They should fucking release panzer dragoon saga on PC.

They released nights and a bunch of ther sega shit, why not panzer dragoon?

I BET THIS GAME ISN'T EVEN GOOD OR ANYTHING

>>3154151
I agree that the world is pretty cool, although if the story doesn't take a twist and suddenly get a lot more involved, I don't think too much more detail is going to be added to the world. There's only so much content you can have in a 20 hour Saturn game. I agree that the combat system is fun.

>>3154156
Yeah. I understand why people might like this game, but some people absolutely worship it. I've seen multiple people on multiple forums saying "it's worth every penny of its eBay price". I can only assume that these people are just trying to shill up the price.

>>3154137
>SSF emulates excellently

Really nigger?

>>3154151
Astal has nice graphics, but I wouldn't say that's it's main draw. It's a solid action game. I've never liked Nights all that much though.

>>3154165
To me it is the best RPG made period. I haven't played another RPG with that level of involvement and dedication that the original Panzer Dragoon team put in that game.

>>3154165
>but some people absolutely worship it.

You should always be suspicious when people love a game that much. I don't mean you should assume the game is shit, but they probably have some special attachment that makes it more special to them than it probably will be to you.

>>3154172
The only reason I play and keep Astal around is I think the sprite work is beautiful and I like the 90s anime FMV scenes.
The actual gameplay isn't all that amazing. It's solid but nothing special. Above average.

>>3154187
I get that. All I'm saying is I'll take an above average action platformer over Nights. We don't have to agree though.

>>3154117
If you're running Winblows, go with SSF. Some games require certain settings to run properly, but it has the best compatibility and accuracy of all Saturn emus.

There's also Satourne and Yabuse, but they're nowhere near as robust.

>>3154195
I mean, is it a ways behind other consoles like how the N64 emulation scene struggles?

>>3154169
Fag running SSF 0.8 or some outdated shit detected.

>>3154191
NiGHTS is one of the best games SEGA has made. One of the best games in general.

If you don't like it that's fine. Still an amazing game.

>>3154197
Oh fuck no. Again, it takes some tinkering to run some games, but not as much N64 emus (SSF also hssbthe ability save setting per each game you run as well), and compatibility is way higher.

For reference, unlike N64 emulation you don't need to run a fuckton plugins to get things running.

>>3154207
**has the ability

Fuck this gay ass phone.

>>3154207
>>3154198
>>3154197
>>3154195
It literally takes 3 hours to set up along with the virtual drive.

After that you still run into issues trying to play shit.

>>3154210
You're lying through your teeth and/or clinically retarted to need 3 hours to set up SSF along with a virtual drive, which you should be pirating as all freeware virtual drives blow ass with malware or are incompatible with SSF

There's fucking guides out there to help it set up too, fucktard.

>>3154210
What part takes 3 hours?

>>3154214
>>3154215
>you're retarded
>you should had pirated this
Expect to see this a lot guy who's asking about Saturn emulation.

This idiots can't handle any criticism about their favorite emulator.


If you want to set it up I recommend finding a guide. I can't link to google. If you come here and ask for help you'll be namecalled and if you get a link it's shit that barely works if it all.

>>3154215
None of it. He's probably a moron who checks every setting without looking up what shit like the VDP1 block is.

>>3154219
Thanks for proving my argument that using a guide will help and save "3 hours" to set things up, dip shit.

>>3154223
>>3154225
>Use a guide that I'm not going to link
>add in some more name calling.

Great!

>>3154228
None one specifically asked for a guide you retarded entitled faggot.

>>3154162
They can't. Chunks of the original code have been lost and there's some 'other reasons' that no-one will talk about.

>>3154169
Always has for me, other than one or two hiccups. What problems have you had?

>>3154232
He's a special needs child that expects everyone to spoon feed him after talking out of his ass.

>>3154229
>entitled
>faggot
18+ board, champ.

Also I don't think you quite understand what "entitled" means.

>>3154181
Yeah, definitely. For me, those games are FF9 and Persona 4. I always tell RPG fans to play those games, but I know they almost certainly won't like them in the same way I do. It's rather lonely, in a way.

>>3154219
>>3154215 (You) here
Dude, I was just asking. I've never tried Saturn emulation before. I was honestly wondering what about it took 3 hours.

And why are you acting like the thread is full of anti-emu shitposting when it's been a friendly conversation about it? Chill out.

>>3154237
You are throwing a tantrum over literally nothing. This is one of the rare instances where the name calling was appropriate.

>>3154248
I gave my criticism you dumb child.

>>3154257
You said it takes 3 hours to set up and then had a fit when people said it didn't. Now you're trying to call me a child? Get a grip, man.

>>3154262
One hell of a back pedal after calling people faggot over the internet there kiddo. Give you that.

>>3154264
No backpeddling. I still think it was justified given the way you were acting. It's that you are trying to pull the child card after your little crying session that's funny.

>>3154237
>Talk bullshit without backing it up
>get called out multiple posters for full of shit
>HAHA SEE FAGGOTS DEFEND THEIR SHIT EMU
>hey idiot use a guide if it's so hard, the emu works fine
>NO ITS STILL SHIT NOW GIMME DAT GUIDE
>fuck off retard, if you're going to post bullshit don't expect any help that nobody else is asking for

You have to back /v/

>>3150774
I remember it had the best arcade ports if you got the ram expansion cart

>>3151743
>It's probably THE most arcade-centric system ever,
even compared to the Dreamcast.

>>3154339
EWJ2 on Saturn is so great.

>>3154162
>They should fucking release panzer dragoon saga on PC

Wasn't it already put on PC ages ago? I remember playing a demo for it, thinking it was fun and then getting hype seeing an Orta trailer at the end of the demo only to realize it was only on Xbox.

>>3154586
nope. PD and Zwei made it over. PDS is stranded on the saturn, Orta on the ecksbawks

There are some good games you can get for super cheap. Layer Section, House of the Dead, and Gale Racer are in the 20 dollar range. Accessories such as the wheel and stick don't cost a whole lot either, so its easy to get the proper peripheral for your game.

>>3154590

Zwei was never ported or re-released anywhere outside the Saturn

>>3154776
I was so sure I had a PC copy of Zwei under the 'Sold Out' brand that I just checked all my cupboards and shelves. Nothing. Congratulations, you have made me a sad man.

>>3150774
I bought one and had it switched, which involved inserting a 60 Hz switch, making it universal and having the 4 meg ram cartridge. I essentially did all this so I could play arcade perfect capcom fighters.

Did get panzer dragoon as well though.

>>3155123
That was just the first game.

>>3150774
The games are blisteringly expensive, but they're generally great.

>bought a broken saturn for 25 usd shipped
>gets here
>clean it up
>reseat all the optical drive cables
>turn it on
>works perfectly right off the bat
today was a good day, /vr/