/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3119040

there. thread over. go to bed.

>>3119046
NOW we're done.

>>3119062
I feel like if this was animated it would convey the joke better.

>>3119067
I heard the animation tools that studio ghibli and futurama use are now out for free so some random anon with some kind of drawing skill and a quick intro tutorial could probably do it.

>>3119086
>the animation tools that studio ghibli and futurama use are now out for free
Fucking what?

>>3119062
desu, we should make a CSGO/TF2 match where everyone has to use Doom controls. Imagine the chaos.

Meanwhile, Doom controls are a little bit tricky since I'm so used to the mouse keyboard affair, but I'm ok now. One thing I like is the auto aim shit.

>>3119093
...autocorrect, how in the bloody world did you correct to be honest to desu?!

>>3119091
http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/blog/free-studio-ghibli-animation-software

>>3119098
it's a word filter on 4chan not autocorrect.

>>3119110
That's honestly pretty stupid, why did they do it? I can't see any humorous/spam stopping reason...

desu senpai

Not a lot of comics in this thread...

>>3119123
Its because /v/ was spamming it everywhere for a while thanks to the niggerspeak meme

>>3119212
Let's fix that...

>>3119223
Too much Sonic.

I really miss Gooby

>>3119226
but you CAN get all the rings in a loop

>>3119267
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>>3119062
In reality /v/ would have a swastika tattooed on his head, screaming about 'DA NIGGERS' 'DA JOOS' and 'MUH WHITE GENOCIDE'! While playing some pay to win Korean waifu grendfest.

/vr/ wouldn't even bother engaging with such cancerous filth, so he'd be sitting there playing something on his gen 1 gameboy.

bogus comic

>>3119345
No man, you're talking about neo-/v/. In that comic is good ol' classic /v/, the rage machine. He went on an exodus after the gamergate shitshow and probably isn't coming back.

>>3119226
>I suck at doing the loop therefore it's impossible

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>>3119386
Missing the point this much.

It's a metaphor for finding happiness aka the Emerald, through rings aka money. Sure it might be possible to get all the money you can, even if it seems impossible, but the point is you don't need all the money for happiness. So you shouldn't worry so much about it, as long you have enough.

>>3119379
>He went on an exodus after the gamergate shitshow and probably isn't coming back

I'm sure he's back from deadchan and you're just looking for those JOOSJW threads

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>>3119426
>the rings have to be money because cash rules everything around me

>>3119212
and now i can't stop hearing the music in my head

>>3119478
Deeply ironic reaction image.

>>3119456
:(

>>3119489
I don't know what is about Sonic that makes it possible to be 2000% percent maximum cringe/laughably pathetic, and at the same time, can be deeply, fundamentally depressing.

>>3119426
>you don't need all the money for happiness

But you DO need almost all of the rings for the Emerald.

The comic is commenting on the loop's literal impossibility: "Why's it set up so that I can't win?" It isn't, comicguy.

You can't base any sort of interpretation on a fallacy, which is something both the comic writer and you, anon, need to learn.

>Missing the point this much.

The irony here is almost palpable.

These sonic shits are just the worst.

>>3119531
>/r9k/

>>3119531
>tumblr pic

>>3119545
No, not really. The point is not that it's impossible, the point is that it doesn't matter if it's possible - you don't need to chase this one thing.

>>3119426
I would say it has to do with life

Tails is just telling him we don't know everything as he is human himself, similar to sonic about these understandings

>>3119456
I don't really understand the comic

>>3120281
Oh my god lol

>>3120181
It's about the void that exists on the edge of the narrative in these games, and what it would be like if answerless questions had answers to them.

Like, exactly what is Robotnik even trying to accomplish? Why is he even doing it? What even are rings anyway? He's using animals to... like.... something something they're inside robots? Is that even necessary? The animals seem to be perfectly fine when you break the robot open, and Robotnik seems to be able to make perfectly functioning robots like metal sonic without putting woodland animals inside them, so like, what even is the purpose?

The comic takes the setting and motifs of the game and re-appropriates them into a relatable narrative, Robotnik is a brilliant scientist who has become crippled by his senility, but retains all the dangerous capabilities of his intellect, making it all the more absurd when Sonic has to confront him and clean up his mess.

However, even though Sonic puts an end to his chaos, by taking away his memento he also takes a piece of his identity, and the man can no longer remember who he was before or what he was so upset about, he just continues to engineer more machines as his mind is overrun with new ideas.

It's questionable whether the portrayal of violence as a necessity or foregone conclusion in the games is really necessary or that it is of any value to the experience of the game, but back in the 90s it seemed completely obvious that that is what we wanted to do?

Yet the question is, was it really, automatically something that interests us, and was it even the most interesting story that could be conveyed to the player through such an experience?

You can also ask other questions like, if the game has normal animals in it, and a human being like Robotnik in it, why then is Sonic an anthropomorphic hedgehog wearing running shoes? how does that even happen? it is roughly as absurd as having you ask "why is sonic the hedgehog's dad apparently a human?"

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>>3119436
I miss gunshow so much.

>>3120379
I kind of wish he had gone further with the dark homer comics or other creepy plot threads, but I think those were actually part of him working through his depression and struggling as an artist.

>>3120387
That was exactly it. K.C.'s work sometimes helped me through my own depression because I just really identified with what he drew, from both a personal and cultural level. Art imitates life.

>>3119103
Wow. This is actually really neat.
Thanks for sharing.

>>3119426
really ?

i thought it was some sort of private humour, perhaps alluding to chrischan and showing how autistic sonic is, or perhaps poking fun at sonic fans by gerenalizing them all as chrischans

>>3119545
the person you're quoting did not agree with the comic's affirmation of unobtainability of all rings, he did in fact, implicitly concur with the message he replied that you can indeed get them all.

but i guess you can see any sort of fallacy when you lack interpretation skills, besides wouldn't the writter simply be mistaken? is lying a fallacy?

>missing the palatibility of the other anon's message so much
the irony is almost on point

>>3120556
*he did in fact implicitly c...

(ignore the comma

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>>3119456
Eat shit Sonic

Also requesting the one with the russian guy walking around the Sonic stage with his kid
>Why is all so blurry
>Is as developers intended

>>3120368
hah, gay

>>3119212
>Not a lot of comics in this thread.
Comic: of, relating to, or marked by comedy
>implying there is any ITT

>>3119223
JUST SLOW DOWN INSTEAD OF PERMANENTLY HOLDING RIGHT. For fucks sake.

>>3120639
Here's your (you) and for what it's worth, I think your contribution to the thread at the very least was hilarious Bro. Like, I totally get your humor Man. Dark. That's rad.

>>3120609
no matter who you marry your wife will cheat on you and there's nothing you can do about it because in your world there is nothing like love or loyalty to hope for

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>>3120581
>Sonic comics is a shit
>Doesn't post comic/posts Sonic comic anyways
Com'on, step it up!

I miss 8BT. Sometimes, it was legit funny.

>>3120889
>Sometimes
Dude it was pretty consistently good quality. Dude knew how to set up a good joke in 6 panels. Sometimes got too verbose and DD heavy but hey, write what you know... It's probably the only good sprite comic ever... Well actually I remember one about Legend of Zelda II that has me in tears at times, but I worry if I find it again it wouldn't be as funny.

That's My Sonic

>>3121080
Yeah it's not as funny as it was before

>>3121080
Huh I haven't gotten around to rereading the comic but at least their fake flamewar joke comics were entertaining for mocking the general shittiness of sprite comics to begin with.

>>3120372
KEK

>>3119478
obligatory: cream

>>3119312
Change evil with" brink of"

>>3121080
Haha, Zelda comic was good. Yea those were the best, I used read so many, U can see now they were mostly trash.

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>>3125438
Was the date on this comic changed?

>>3125440
I read that in Vegeta's voice ery tm

>>3125460
No, I relatively certain that's accurate for how contemporary you can expect a syndicated newspaper comic to be.

I believe it was just last sunday that someone in a Family Circus comic said "negroes are alright"

>>3125469
does this mean I'm not the only person who sits down and eats 12 mandarin oranges consecutively (as they call them in my native language of canadidianian)

>>3125485
Haha. I'm reminded of that "Dare I draw a Negro?" comic by the guy who does Sally Forth, iirc.

But yeah, 2005 referencing something that would've been contemporary in 1985-ish does seem to be right on target.

>>3125505
Wow. Terrible.

>>3125518
I thought it was cute

>>3125561
You thought wrong.

>>3125564
sounds like you got burned friend

what did they do to you?

>>3125568
Sounds like you got butt-hurt non-friend. Where did they touch you?

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>>3125490
So you just don't get the joke here? The parents are imagining the far off future year of 2005. This comic is from 1990.

>>3125561
I'm not saying it isn't "cute" I guess, but it's a pretty lame joke. Ignore the other replier, he's clearly a shitposter.

>>3125604
I don't think it was meant for laughs.

>>3125604
>shit-posting with a shit post.

>>3120367
>feels like im wearin nothin & Knuckles at all

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>>3125595
feeling real slow right now

>>3125438
>mfw Gary Larson predicted the rise of Youtube/Twitch/etc.

>>3125654
Haha, me too!

>>3120367
I always thought that sprite was really weird too.

Like, it's obvious from context that it's supposed to be balloons, but it looks like it's just one contiguous mass of lumpy red stuff.

>>3120138
eegra has been around longer than tumblr

>>3125713
Fuck off tripfaggot.

>>3120368
It's meant for kids. There's nothing to read into. Kids can play Sonic and suspend their disbelief because they don't understand complex moral dilemmas or character motivations. That's why it looks absurd or bizarre as an adult; because it's written for kids.

>>3125880
honestly even as a child I found the concept pretty strange/disturbing and spent a lot of time wondering about the actions of Sonic and Robotnik and the whole transhumanism/transanimalism cyberization angle of it

the archie comics and the cartoons really did not help that situation at all

fucking sonic's dad

nightmare fuel is what it was

>>3125887
Robotnik is the villain, he's supposed to be unsettling in at least some sort of visceral way. It's a bit of the overall premise which motivates the player to defeat the bad guy in a climactic confrontation. But it is weird that you assign complex character motivations to a cartoon. Of all the things with complex characters and themes, Sonic seems to me intentionally absurd, in a childish way, if you get what I'm saying.

>>3125929
I assign complex character motivations to literally everything that has characters because any character that exists is born from someone's psyche, and no matter how hard they try those characters will always have a little more to them than meets the eye.

Also consider that as a 90s kid I had to put up with shit like looney tunes and ren and stimpy and rocko's modern life, and if I only went skin deep ever in my life I probably would have ended up retarded and a lot more disturbed and deranged than I already am as a result of the lack of consideration and self-awareness

>>3125932
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%2816-bit%29_manuals

read the japanese translation. eggman just wants to rule the world my man. he turns the animals to robots in order to impede sonics progress. that it.

>>3125932
like take a moment to think about the fact that Rocko is basically an animal with another animal as a pet

Goofy and Pluto are both dogs

like what the fuck does that even mean

Why is the cat in pepe le pew cartoons apparently an actual cat while sylvestor is some sort of stand up cat-man wearing gloves?

it gets even more fucked up when they end up in a cartoon together and the same schtick happens with sylvestor complaining about it like a codgery middle aged man

okay that one was actually pretty hilarious

>>3125937
that really has nothing to do with the narrative of the game itself

>>3125937
Yeah that was my first thought when I read that guys over elaborate comment. Doesn't he just wanna make Eggpololis or something? So he tries to take over South Island, Little Planet, North Island, Angel Island, Station Square, and then the planet in A2? Gotta give him credit for going big, I like when Sonic says "Looks like you're a big-time villain now"

>>3125945
it's perfectly fine for things to be simple, but it's a lot more fun when they aren't, because it gives them the opportunity to surprise you or catch you off guard, which is really the essence of comedy and wit

if you never bother to stop and think about things, you'll never catch the opportunity to laugh as hard as I do, and that seems sad to me

>>3125956
Oh feel free to imagine and shit, it's a little weird you think your a special little snowflake for doing so, but when you start thinking your little flights of fancy are intended and/or better interpretation, you're being kind of pathetic.

>>3125968
haha dude why are you so mad

did a a man with a waxy mustache embarrass you at a party or something

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This one I get. The last Tails comment is pretty much a depressing realization, as is Sonic pretending he doesn't know he's inside an endless loop.


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>>3119449
This one I don't get it. It doesn't even use any of the Sonic's actual plot, it's just this weird sad thing with Sonic characters.

It's funny that >>3125880 and >>3120368 have a small argument about this because deep down you're both saying the same thing.
>>3120368 carries a line of questioning that obviously goes outside the context of the sonic universe. >>3125880 says exactly that. Those questions are outside the fantasy constructions of these characters. So yeah, the comic goes outside the context of the game and it becomes weird, obviously. What I don't get is what exactly the comic is trying to say. If it's just that "Yeah if you break the fantasy it's broken!" then it's just shit. It's fucking obvious it will break. I'm hoping there will be more to the comic than that, but perhaps there isn't.

>>3125932
>I assign complex character motivations to literally everything that has characters because any character that exists is born from someone's psyche
Sure but they're also meant to exist in a given context, otherwise they won't work. If all this comic does is breaking the fantasy by asking questions outside the context of these characters, then it's just lazy.

An example of an excellent line of questioning taking into account the context the characters exist in is the Pokemon Cubone's origins theory. By not breaking the context, the line of questioning only enrich the Pokemon universe instead of breaking it to make an obvious point.

>>3125997
but the game itself doesn't really deserve that kind of deference, you act like the sanctity of it is being infringed upon or something but a videogame isn't anything that deserves to be worshiped or held pure. rather, the inclination to do so is itself something that should by dragged out and displayed for it's own absurdity.

>>3126018
All I'm saying is that it's lazy to choose to analyze a character without taking its contextualization into account. Plus it's not nearly as interesting as it becomes a pretty easy game isn't?

Of course the character will break in many parts. Context is something relevant to the character as much as his personality and motives. I'm not idolizing anything, I'm just telling you it's lazy and I'm sure you know it too.

>>3126027
the comic doesn't actually have anything to do with sonic anon, the artist's goal was not "make a videogame comic" he was not struggling with "how do I make art" or how to be creative. laziness has no application here because he didn't draw that comic for you or anyone else to enjoy, it was a selfish means of exploring his own identity as an artist and expressing himself through the art that he had been doing already for several years. Sonic the Hedgehog is just a back drop for the nagging questions of something like "why is the question of any deeper meaning or substance considered to be so discomforting in modern culture? why does it always have to be presented on the face or fed to us through coherent little explanations and plot links? why is meaning always buried or displaced by absurdity? what is the value of escapism?"

it's a selfish little story he wrote while depressed, thats mostly about writing a story exactly like it is. The reason that it's a Sonic comic is that Sonic the Hedgehog has a completely meaningless and asinine narrative with no message whatsoever. It's a story about something that has no meaning, and he's used it as the back drop for a story that has no agenda, only meaning.

Your mind only views things in the sense of punishment and reward, and to you you think he's doing a lazy job, but the thing here is that he's not even doing any job, and if that bothers you you should seriously ask yourself why you think someone needs to work to deserve to be alive.

>>3126036

I think you're right. It was unfair to call him lazy and hope a comic to be what I want it to be. Fair enough.
Just for the record I'm not bothered by it, I think I was just caught up in the argument. I actually really like the last two panels of Robotinik scratching his head and going away.

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>>3119456
I think I get it now. It's about Robotinik's childlike method of thinking. He believes all it takes to get married is a ring.

>>3126041
This whole line of inquiry has really made me consider the whole matter more deeply, and even consider the role of story and message in games.

The only thing I'd argue is that he choose Sonic completely arbitrarily. I think he started with Sonic, considered how importance Rings are considered in the context of the game, and was able to create the little story based on that. I mean it could have "Coin" and been about Mario, and a valuable coin instead, but that might change things too much.

I also like the final panels too. The way Robotnik is almost saying "I don't get it" is perfect as the reader's reaction.

>>3126053
It's about Robotnik trying to hold on to his fading memories of his father and "keep him alive" out of a partial awareness of his own insanity.

after losing the ring he forgets even the entire ordeal of trying not to forget. he just has a vague sensation that he forgot something but can't remember what. the scene at the end is him being confused because he's forgotten his own parents and only has a dim awareness that something important is missing, but he can't catch the thought.

>>3126058
the ring is symbolic of family and and the bond between two people. the entire reason we use a simple golden ring as as a wedding band is that it's circular shape supposed to symbolize eternity.

Robotnik, however, succumbs to nature itself and forgets even that.

>>3125997
>It's funny that >>3125880 (You) and >>3120368 have a small argument about this because deep down you're both saying the same thing.
We're not, but I didn't know how to continue the conversation without sounding spiteful so I left it (and I think analyzing Sonic like a classical text is just ridiculous, but whatever). We're in agreement that his and KC Green's interpretations are outside established Sonic canon, but what I was attempting to say (and where I think the other guy disagrees) is that the subtle themes or ideas they interpreted from the canon are more fan-fiction than anything intentional on the part of the authors of Sonic.

Here is the other guy's rebuttal.
>>3125932
>I assign complex character motivations to literally everything that has characters because any character that exists is born from someone's psyche, and no matter how hard they try those characters will always have a little more to them than meets the eye.
If you're familiar with Derrida's idea of deconstruction (lol), then you'll know that you can interpret a work of art in infinitely many ways when the author's intention isn't clear. We take it for granted from its context that Sonic is meant for children, because it's written like a game/show for children and features things which would be patently absurd if interpreted in an adult context. In the same way, we also interpret Crime and Punishment as a theme of Christian redemption because the author was a self-avowed Christian, and this is the most reasonable thing to conclude from available evidence in the story and from the author. It's not reasonable to assume that Sonic is an existentialist commentary on the motives of a mad-scientist and a talking hedgehog, partly because a) nearly everything the other guy said is manufactured (or not explicitly denoted in the games/show to the best of my knowledge) and b) this would imply the authors originally intended Sonic to be a nihilistic nightmare.

Let's get silly /vr/

Also let's leave the KC 2012 so if this catches on and gets all over the internet he's attributed this time. Fucking cunts stealing dickbutt and this is fine dog.

>>3126071
It's like that brony who wanted to write an paper on serfdom in equestria. It's reading into nothing.

>>3126071
I'm not sure how you've gone so long without realizing that I was questioning and half-criticizing the creators of the game themselves and the culture that made it automatically acceptable without questioning for creating the game in such a fashion in the first place. Yes, there really is no deeper meaning to Sonic the Hedgehog, just a lot of handwaves and explanations with no further basis or characterizations, mainly a lot of empty space.

My point is that the empty space surrounding the game's narrative is more interesting than that narrative itself.

>>3126074
Obligatory

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>>3126081
now this

this is what you actually call lazy

>>3126080
>My point is that the empty space surrounding the game's narrative is more interesting than that narrative itself.
Yeah, that could be true.

>>3125932
>will always have a little more to them than meets the eye
if you force it

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>>3126124
I knew this was coming.

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>>3126137
Goddamn why was EEGRA so retarded yet so fucking funny.

>>3126210
it's a mystery

>>3126218
Fuck you man. Don't Post the sad ones.

>>3126218
What kind of monster would abuse their child for being crippled?

>>3126532
basically everyone

if you can go your entire life without abusing your handicapped child I will be really impressed, because never doing it is thousands of magnitudes harder than ever doing it at least oncce

>>3126860
wew lad

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>>3126896

There's a reason for it being so common.

Carers cost a huge amount of money, money most people do not have. Also, people tend to be expected to take care of invalid relatives because "They raised you" or some sentimental BS like that. If you even DARE suggest not giving up your life, you are insulted, mocked, called selfish, and shunned for being a monster. Your life ends up being torn between freedom and a reputation for abandoning sick relatives, or giving it up for a completely thankless job nobody will help you on.

Over the years, that accumulates into anger and hatred towards the person who needs constant care. They can't help themselves for whatever reason, so you have to do it, and it's not what you want to do, and you will probably outlive this person.

Get a carer? Can't afford it.
Get a job? "How could you abandon him?"
Ask someone to help? "Umm I have somewhere to be."
Apply for carer benefits? Here, have some change out of the ashtray. Oh, and some bible-thumping types will admonish you because it's "its own reward" or some shit like that.

This eventually piles up and they abuse them as an outlet for their anger. That's why it's so common.

>>3126218
Post the one with jesus and the "COMDEM COMDEM" rays from his hands

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>>3127184
every time

each frame is fucking hysterical

>>3127246
Why do I have the feeling that this started as a Garfield strip?

>>3127246
I can't tell if this is pure absurbity, or is a bit of commentary on Sonic itself, calling the acting hammy/writing hamfisted, with the whole troubled teen part at jab at Shadow. And the last part a jab at original artists do not steal.

Probably absurbity.

>>3120365
>she

is this some SJW head canon bullshit?

>>3125505
CUTE

>>3127883
I thought it was more "happened so quickly they couldn't tell"

>>3127883
I think some people originally mistook Knuckles for a girl, since his red color kinda looked pink.

>>3127883

No, Tails just mistook Knuckles for a girl because he looks like one, you blithering retard.

>>3127883
>Being this knee-jerk reactionary to a silly joke

>>3127818
it's a satire of unrealistic drug abuse PSAs

many of which used to be featured at the end of the old Sonic cartoon

and then it's collided with Sonic's personality in the archie comics where he was essentially a gigantic asshole almost all the time