/vr/ - Retro Games

it really is pretty dead in 2016

>>3098954
Nah, it's a lot more living than SNES.
Are Super Nintendos still produced? But Megadrives are.

>>3098989
yeah sure in brazil

>>3098989
Sure they are! They're called Retrons.

>>3098939
Too bad that game was shit and killed the franchise

>>3098991
He's still technically correct.

>>3099018
I didn't say he wasn't.

>>3098939
That was a terrible game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9Pym-sdbs

Boy, I sure do love muffled and shrill music like this!

Fuck SNES sound chip.

>>3099826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFShX4Pxy0

Would this have been better?

>>3099826

Sounds good.

>>3100942
Not necessarily. Something like that song should be done on CD with proper instruments, Genesis is good for techno or rock-ish songs, SNES is good at... emulating wind sounds?

>>3100947

>emulating wind sounds?

I guess so, yes. The organ on the track you posted sounds pretty good.

>>3100951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuxeyAU15NE

Here's a good version of that song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFID-2FGGM

>Actraiser
>2

HAHA HAHA, you snes fags are adorable

>>3101003
>gimped 1 player port of Final Fight that Sega did better

I'd love to see a stock SNES try and fail to run a game like this.

>>3098991
No, they still produce them in the UK and, as far as I know, America as well. Although they're really shitty cheap ones with HORRIBLE sound.

>>3101390
>caring about other people's opinions this much

Like, you're not wrong, but he's entitled to his opinion as well. Perhaps he likes the music.

Take your salt elsewhere

Mega Drive will NEVER have 512 x 448 resolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyvecUB5xp4
BTFO

>>3101414
funny how that's one of the only mega drive games to look like that :)

>>3101679
There's also a Genesis game that has 3D effects straight out of Star Fox. Without any special hardware.

>>3101507
rock 'n roll racing looked better than that

>>3101686

Which one? because Virtua Racing needed a chip and the cart is larger than a normal one.

Shame on me for posting on a bait console war thread though.

>>3101698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sXgFmZ-tM0

>>3101679
It's even funnier that even if it IS one of the only Genesis games to look that that it's STILL more than the SNES can run.

>zero

My childhood system>your childhood system

>implying you guys actually grew up during 4th gen and not 6th

>Actraiser 2
>make sequel to critically acclaimed game
>remove the entire half of the game that set it apart from it's competitors
How the fuck does that even happen?

>>3099826
It's not the SNES' fault that the Japanese used shitty samples. Europeans, who learned on the Amiga, had way better sound.

https://youtu.be/-FggOnzJlZI
https://youtu.be/oW7ANhOAwrE
https://youtu.be/y0PixBaf8_Y
https://youtu.be/7-jSyuQkvCM
https://youtu.be/qBJADHCvhzA
https://youtu.be/xpUZYWX2BoY

>>3101414
Just because it wasn't done on the SNES doesn't mean it couldn't be done and it's not like every Genesis game was this impressive, you feel me?
But there are two games that come rather close.
YamYam
https://youtu.be/DUx-51VMmWo
HyperZone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGfT4wrplc
And just because these aren't as good, doesn't mean they couldn't've been done better. But for now they are the best comparison when it comes to Genesis vs a chipless SNES.

>>3101702
Impressive, indeed, but I'd say StarFox has more stuff on screen.

>>3101727
>It's not the SNES' fault that the Japanese used shitty samples.

I didn't think that Actraiser track sounds bad or muffled. SNES haters are always gonna say the SNES music sounds "muffled" because that's their whole argument, same as Mega Drive haters saying MD music sounds like BWROOEEENNNNGGG or whatever.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_bbkof75fw

>>3099826
I think it sounds pretty good.

>>3101507
At first it looked like a great alternative to RC Pro-Am but god, the cars move sooooo slow! I seriously hope it was just the video cause if the game really runs like that on console than I would rather even play Stunt Race FX ...

>>3101727
>It's not the SNES' fault that the Japanese used shitty samples. Europeans, who learned on the Amiga, had way better sound.

Er ... you DO know that the fifth youtube video in your post is from Kemco, a japanese developer, right? Or is this just some hipster thing that is too deep for me?

>>3101724
ActRaiser wasn't critically acclaimed, kiddo.

Average Genesis music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY

Average SNES music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne3pQWuh2M

>>3101876

Both sound fantastic, holy shit 4th gen was the best.

>>3098993
we love it so much!

>>3099826
People who have never played a SNES in their life are so easy to spot.

>>3100942
genesis cucks btfo

>>3101910
Why would I ever want to play on that piece of shit? Even the 3DO was better for gaming.

>>3101876
Average Genesis music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IjQiTHe9Cs&list=PLSVgM9wgJ253p0WrsNPxNe8vXiw02EqpO&index=18

Average SNES music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OArmiAMkkNk

>>3102209
top one sounds like a videogame

bottom one sounds like midi-tier shit with poor instruments

WEEER WEEER WEEEEER WEWEWEWEEEERRR WEEER WEEER WEEEEEER WEEER WEER WEER WEEEEEER

>>3102221
top one sounds like shitty beeps while the bottom actually sounds good genesis fanboys are delusional

>>3102238
>people with different tastes from me have mental disorders
ok kid

>>3101921
>comparing a Yuzo Koshiro original to a conversion made by a random shitstain
Wow, /vr really has reached /v levels of stupid.

We can agree that Megaman X would've been 10x better on Megadrive, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnAh_x79Vok

>>3102318
It's just that the instrument set used in Megaman X is garbage. The SNES APU is capable of a lot better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY
https://youtu.be/4-18zfwvySw

Good luck trying to synthesize these instruments on your ear rape machine megafags

>>3101507
>Mega Drive will NEVER have 512 x 448 resolution.

SNES will never be able to display more than 20 colours in that resolution.

Megadrive can display 61 colours in 320x448, and much more if you enable shadow/highlight. Up to a thousand.

>>3101727
>Europeans, who learned on the Amiga, had way better sound.

And for reference, here's an actual Amiga game, on the SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAP1TjZjs1g

And the original Amiga version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yml8PLtFyy4

>>3102340
We don't want your arpeggio dadrock-esque bullshit from that overrated hack anyways.

>>3098991
They're selling those Atgames piece of shit clones with horrible sound quality world wide. Those are officially licensed "Genesis consoles".

>>3101921
go back to /v/ where you belong

>>3102209
I hate the hard panned stereo on the Amiga. Amiga sounds much better with reduced stereo separation.

>Impressive, indeed, but I'd say StarFox has more stuff on screen.
Well it is a bonus minigame, not meant to be super challenging. I can bet they would've been able to squeeze more out of it if they made it a full game.

It probably helps that it's by Psygnosis, who were Amiga devs, therefore they were very familiar with 68000 processors.

>>3102574
Meant for >>3101727, of course.

>>3102340
>Good luck trying to synthesize these instruments on your ear rape machine megafags
ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydJ8sF4AJU

>>3102340
the fuck are you talking about

you can get a LOT of sounds out of a FM chip, and I bet it's possible to make a good Plok cover with the YM2612

>>3101420
Those aren't real consoles, if you're talking about what I think you are. They're worse than unoffical clones, they're emulator boxes. Just like the Retron 5™ that my wife ran off with.

>>3101724
The simulation section was kind of lame. The only thing that made the Actraiser games stand out was its mythological atmosphere. Yes, there were similar games, but this theme was done differently in Actraiser. It had a more serious tone.

>>3098989
>>3098991
>>3099018
If you want to be technical, even Brazil isn't cranking out "real" Mega Drives any longer. Up until the late 2000s, TecToy was still producing legitimate SoAC variants with cartridge slots. About 2009, although they kept the (modified) Mega Drive 2 shell, they dropped the cart slot and the internals became FGPA emulation based, like your run-of-the-mill AtGames unit.

All things considered, though, it's true that Brazil has never been without an officially licensed Mega Drive compatible system readily available since it's launch, meaning it's been consistently abailable for about 25 years. It's insane.

>>3101897
i hate this for some reason. it feels worse than emulating. like having sex with another woman

>>3100942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQ41mpIyFk

reminder that if you don't like FM you are a literal faggot

>>3102364

Snes version does sound low passed, but it sounds better to me

>>3102340
>>3102580
Even the NES could do Plok.
https://soundcloud.com/jrlepage/plok-creepy-crag-2a03-vrc6

>>3109296
But that guy is cheating and using the VRC6.

>>3102182
>duurrr i posted it

>>3101724
>How the fuck does that even happen?

http://gaming.moe/?p=331

>ActRaiser 2 – This was one of my first – and most important – mistakes in my career. At the time, I was convinced that players wanted action. They wanted to be challenged and pushed to new levels. I pushed Enix away from retaining the sim part of ActRaiser and toward a more challenging action title. I made that decision because I believed I knew what the consumer wanted. The release of that game taught me quite a bit about the need to really listen to consumers. You can’t get caught up in making games for yourself believing that you speak for the consumer. You have to take the time to really hear what people have to say, read all the feedback, read all the comments, truly understand what people seek in their experiences. I removed the soul from ActRaiser and that was a really tough lesson to learn, but it’s one that has really helped me along the way.

>>3114071
Fucking americunts have been ruining games since the beginning. Figures he would go on to work for M$

>>3099826
>>3100942

I'm liking the gen cover. The snes, like so much snes music, has too many familiar samples for me to really enjoy it.

I never liked the sim aspect of Act Raiser.

>>3114071
Nothing wrong with making it a pure action game honestly, it' just that Actraiser 2 is a mediocre action game.

>>3098939
>this kill the SNES

>>3114182
snes -"hhhhhhhnnnnnnggggggg"

>>3114182

More sprites doesn't automatically equal better game.

>>3114207
Better graphics doesn't automatically equal better gameplay :^)

>>3114182
this is the worst part in gradius iii

all those other cool stages they cut out from the SNES version and they keep THIS?

i wish gradius games came out for the genesis, the hardware fits it more

>>3099012

i beg to differ here anon. this actually a pretty decent action platformer.

>>3114182
>SNESfags will defend a machine with a 3mhz processor

>>3115137
It's 3.58 MHz, actually.

>>3115154
Thanks for the correction, Autismo!

>>3115159
Well, when we're talking about such slow clock speeds to begin with, 0.58MHz is quite a big difference.

Also, what with all the different achitectures and instruction sets that old microprocessors had, the clock speeds of two CPUs can't really be compared in any meaningful way. The SNES is clearly a faster system, capable of handling more action on the screen, than the Sega Master System (4MHz, I believe) or the Game Boy (4.19MHz).

Don't get me wrong, it is clear that the Mega Drive's CPU was generally more capable than the SNES, simply by comparing the performance of similar shmups and arcade action games, but the clock speed is basically just a number and doesn't mean a whole lot. The performance of a CPU is less about how many clock cycles it can do per second and more about what it is actually capable of doing in those clock cycles, and how efficiently it can execute the instruction set.