/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3100440
Bump

I used to think this as a kid about MK3. But later I learned the computer is incapable of "learning" what you do. I think at most it has a line of programming that says "if X move is used Y times, do Z instead". Mixing up the moves does seem to help, but I think it's just about knowing how many you can pull off before you switch the AI's rails to countering you constantly.

>>3100440
No, but it will read more of your inputs.

>>3100440

No it just doubles/triples/quadruples its chance of using an anti areal attack the higher you go.

Forcing you to play cheap.

I love MK but but Boon could have a learned a lot from SFII AI.

>>3100440
>will the CPU learn and adapt to your play style

No they just read your inputs and react to it before your animation is finished. Single player MK is just a huge cheating contest between you and the AI.

If you can't program the AI to be smart, program it to cheat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZs1acpQ9XE

>>3100440

No it just cheats

If you want to see that it dosen't learn try playing as Baraka. His <- + LP and sweeps will kill the AI 99% of the time. Playing the AI in that game is fucking awful practice for playing against people lol

>>3102924
>even when the opponent is frozen under sub zero's freeze, if you try to throw them, they WILL STILL throw you.
Is this in the Snes port?

>>3100685

the worst was fighting that Jade bitch. you couldn't use projectiles at all, if you tried, she'd use that flashing 'invincibility to projectiles' move, run at you, and unload a devastating 20 hit combo every single time.

>>3102924
I always knew it fucking cheated. Fuck you Midway give me back all my pocket money.

>>3102937

Arcade.

Nom nom quarters.

The bar for the AI to start cheating is stage 2. Probably because they want to make sure you keep inputting quarters (although this also happens to a lesser extent on console versions).

In Mortal Kombat 2, the infamous Rev 1.1 made it impossible to throw the AI. It could throw you even during FINISH HIM! They probably saw how dumb that was and removed that in the next revision.

In Mortal Kombat 3/Ultimate, it was way more pronounced. The AI would do all of these:
- the infamous Jade invincibility combo, the moment you let a projectile out
- counter any flying attack with a neutral jumpkick (this beat almost every other jump attack)

This is one of the reasons people tell you not to fight against the AI if you want to get good. It's good to practice combos on, but you'll also get a lot of useless tics. MK AI, for example, rewards you for doing high-priority moves in the corner, or just playing on the AI's errors. A human player would catch those on his 3rd or 4th error. One big example is how "jumpkick to the front -> jump backwards and kick" is a go-to tactic in quite a few of the challengers. It works all the way up to Motaro!
Also, ironically Scorpion's most iconic move is the spear, but the most useful move is the teleport.

The SNES was so perfect.

I wish the Genesis wasn't so gimped, it's tiny color palette and antiquated sound chip really killed it in head to head comparisons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcJs6wxdpsA

>>3103031
No one asked nerd.

>>3103031
I like the soundchip for the genesis, but I dislike the palette.

>>3103043
The soundchip and the consistent 60fps framerate were why you got a Genesis. Had some great fucking games, too.

If the SNES had a single flaw is how it handled music. Vastly inferior.

>>3102930
You can also do it with the Fan-wielding girl. Throw fan, throw fan, throw fan, use soundwave attack to push AI back, repeat until you've beaten game.

>The AI can throw you in Finish Him, which can lead to you getting a Finish Him on yourself and losing the fight.
Man, I'm surprised more gamers weren't pissed about the BS back in the day.

>>3103031
SNES MKII was better in all things except soundtrack.

MKII Genesis soundtrack was amazing. I even like it more than the arcade version.

The CPU reads your inputs and react to them the way it was programmed to.

Much like in older KoF games.

>>3103280

Genesis also had the lack of censorship going for it.

>>3103359
SNES had no censorship in MK2, and was actually even more bloody than the Genesis version.

>>3103035
>>3103059
>>3103280

Say hello to Autismo, everybody.

SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoBC3jXJKs

vs

Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63rt-6lsX8g

"GENESIS: You have to face some of the limitations of the Genesis. If you do, MK II is a great translation. If you compare it to the Super NES, sure it isn't quite as detailed or colorful and the sound it lacking, but it is good nonetheless. Play control is a bit lighter on this platform but controls well enough to get some heated battles going. Genesis owners should check it out, it is definitely one of the best fighting games for the system."

http://www.defunctgames.com/reviewcrew/40/mortal-kombat-ii-what-did-the-critics-say-in-1994

>>3103368
>Say hello to Autismo, everybody.
says the manchild sperging on about snes vs genesis in 2016

>>3103368

>>3103368
Depends what you like but I think the Genesis soundtrack is miles better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhciDuBv2Wc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH1O8fdaH9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5buLza-Kbrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd4EvNZqIrA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFP9FD4Qw3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5XECnFd6-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcdDOY0PvXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlS_hPgPK5M

>>3103423

Says
>Depends what you like
then proceeds to make a statement like it's a fact :/

Per usual, the SNES had the more arcade accurate music, sound effects and voice samples etc.

Per usual, the Genesis had to create a brand new completely different soundtrack that sounded nothing like the arcade original.

Arcade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMFw4s-UHEU

SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54degO-D4qw

Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAHU2zsgM0

Some people seem to prefer the 8-bit sounding "beep and twang" style of the Genesis, or maybe it's a troll. Either way, the SNES was the sound vanguard of that era.

And let's not even get into the graphics, colors and Genesis' missing animations :/
>dat Scorpion pose for Sub Zero

>>3103368
>>3103423
>>3103492
There is no objective truth in artistic taste, shut the hell up and enjoy what you enjoy; cut it with the proselytizing

>>3103509
Eh, if one wants to say e.g. "I like the Atari 2600 sound over the SNES sound" that would be fine, his opinion. But there's a cult here that claims the Genesis is technically superior when that obviously isn't the case. They confuse subjective with objective.

>>3103520
>They confuse subjective with objective

Then parrot what I said, it'll shut them up. Seriously, why does it even matter? To stroke your past childhood ego for asking for a certain console; making "the right decision"? That mindset is just a by-product of the playground argumentation created by marketers to sell consoles.

Trust me, I hate when people are being factually incorrect as well; but having the larger wall of text doesn't mean anything. I feel the cutting edge of reason is the only way for this bullshit to die.

Let 'em think what they want. They'll correct themselves eventually. That, or continue being ignorant. Either one is fine.

>>3103520
>claims the Genesis is technically superior when that obviously isn't the case

Maybe it's because PCM and FM are completely different types of sound technology?

>>3103548
...Yes? What was your point, exactly?

>>3103492
>then proceeds to make a statement like it's a fact :/

>Depends what you like but I think the Genesis soundtrack is miles better.
It's a fact that I "think" the Genesis is miles better but I'm clearly showing that it's my own subjective taste and it's entirely subjective.

As for the rest of your drivel, I was only comparing the MK2 soundtracks on SNES and Genesis. I don't know about MK1 to know about which sounded better to me. There are also SNES soundtracks that I prefer to their Genesis counterparts, just as there are Genesis soundtracks that I prefer to SNES ones, MKII being one of them.

Please get some self awareness you hopeless faggot.

>>3103560
The point is that they work completely differently.

With FM you can create music just through programming alone. Programming itself spawns sound. FM is only limited by the quality of programming.

With PCM you actually have to provide recorded sound samples or it does nothing. The production of sound from a PCM player is limited by what samples are provided.

>>3103565
>It's a fact that I "think" the Genesis is miles better
*the Genesis version of MK2's music, that is

>>3103548
>PCM and FM are completely different types of sound technology

That's for damn sure, that Genesis "twang" drives me crazy.

Genesis
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkrf_7taDfw

vs

SNES
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsVCuYDlQdY

>>3103569
Yes, and liking one is just as valid as liking the other.

What was your point?

>>3103565
>I'm clearly showing that it's my own subjective taste

And yet you're still being an abrasive cunt over it.

>>3103580
>me

That's nice. I hope you find solace that someone agrees with you.

>>3103492
>Says
>>Depends what you like
>then proceeds to make a statement like it's a fact :/
He didn't do that though. He literally just said that he preferred the Genesis soundtrack. Are you actually autistic?

>>3103368
>>3103565
Guys, something is seriously out of hand here.

>>3103521
>>3103538
>>3102721
>>3096297
>>3096148
>>3091081
>>3091284
>>3091076
>>3093071
>>3093186

>>3103569
Good post. Yeah, it's like the MD/Genesis was an old-fashioned music box and the SNES was a MP3 player.

And sure, the MP3 player can easily play any kind of sound/music etc. but the music box is much more quaint.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHXDTqAdNiI

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5oC0v-BDbE

Which is better? I like the music box version.

>>3103613
>Caring about high school level bullshit

>>3103618
>and the SNES was a MP3 player
A 64kbps mp3 player.

>>3103613
I'm pretty sure it's all this same weirdo

>>3103031
>>3103368
>>3103492
>>3103581
>>3103520

somebody's got issues.

>>3103618
I can agree with the sentiment, but it's a little weird to justify it with an analogy. You could just say "I like it for what it is (or some similar form)".

>>3103630
Nigga probs spend all his pocket money on a SNES in 2016 and now has buyer's remorse whenever someone mentions the Genesis.

>>3103618
Why post analogies when you could post actual examples from the systems themselves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGYzLL8lP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LC4exY8lSM

The Genesis is fluid, sharp FM Synthesis while the SNES is all muffled samples. Both are bad in the hands of incompetent devs and good in the hands of people who at least somewhat know their shit.

>>3103630
Don't lump me in with that guy. I mean, you could have at least read the thread.

>>3103634
I'm a Sega freak, actually.

>>3103628
I know, right? Goes to show just how advanced the SNES sound hardware really was...

>The Super Nintendo Entertainment System was first released in Japan on November 21, 1990

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3 - initial release 1993/95

The Genesis was still using a sound chip from 1980, also used in the Coleco Vision and the Master System

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_SN76489

in cojunction with a stripped down YM2608

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YM2612

>>3103663
And they can both produce good music, they just have different styles.

These styles are fundamentally different due to the hardware, as you just explained

You are literally arguing over classical vs. sampled music. There is no right answer. Art is subjective.

How many times do I have to say this?

>>3103663
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Interchange_File_Format

>>3103663
>I know, right? Goes to show just how advanced the SNES sound hardware really was...

Well he messed up his technical details to claim that it was like MP3. It was actually ADPCM on SNES - invented around 1970.

>The Genesis was still using a sound chip from 1980, also used in the Coleco Vision and the Master System

It was there for backwards compatibility. It's like giving the PS2 shit for having a MIPS R3000 inside of it, a CPU created in 1988.

>in cojunction with a stripped down YM2608

A stripped down version of a chip used in computers and arcade machines that cost thousands of dollars.

>>3103663
>SNES is advanced because it predates mp3
Congratulations, you reached new levels of retarded.

>>3103647
Hm, weird comparison. Yeah, the Genesis is "sharp" in the same way Pac-Man arcade from 1980 is... but it doesn't sound like real instrumentation whatsoever.

I wonder why you didn't use the Genesis version of that SNES track for comparison?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA1T6WLVOFc

Oh yeah, more Genesis twang sounds that in no way sounds like an actual guitar. It's cute in a retro way... but laughable from a technical standpoint (compared to the SNES version).

Your example only hammers the original point home more... the Genesis made 1980-style beeps while the SNES was using realistic sound.

Do you like the "beep sound" of the Genesis better than the "realistic sound" of the SNES? Cool, but by very definition it's less realistic and less advanced.

Like the post above pointed out, the MP3 was still years away from commercial release... the SNES was advanced as fuck.

>>3103679
>I wonder why you didn't use the Genesis version of that SNES track for comparison?
Because I wasn't comparing the tracks but the instrumentation?

>>3103679
>It's less realistic and less advanced

How does that invalidate someone's personal opinion of a well made song?

>>3103679
>Do you like the "beep sound" of the Genesis better than the "realistic sound" of the SNES? Cool, but by very definition it's less realistic and less advanced.

So you're saying that techno music is inherently less advanced than tribal african drum beats?

>>3103683
He fucked-up the moment he called muffled pseudo-mp3 to be "realistic" sound.

>>3103674
The major difference between the AIFF and MP3 is compression. AIFF does not do compression while MP3 does.

Regardless, we are talking about sound digitization here... advanced as fuck for a 1990 low cost console.

You sound like an angry fan boy.

>>3103687
>You sound like an angry fan boy.
Pot calling the kettle...
>>3103613
>>3103630

>>3103682
So two completely different songs compares the instrumentation capabilities of the two machines better than the same song would?

Interdasting.

>>3103686
I really don't care where he "fucked-up".

>>3103685
THIS. YOU'RE ARGUING OVER SUBJECTIVE TASTE, YOU WILL BE HERE ALL NIGHT.

>>3103693
Music utilizing FM synthesis on the average will be of higher quality than music that samples FM synthesized sounds.

But ultimately, >>3103694

>>3103687
>Regardless, we are talking about sound digitization here... advanced as fuck for a 1990 low cost console.

You do realize that Genesis supports PCM aka sound digitization on channel 6 of its sound chip, right?

>>3103685
He's saying a cheap toy keyboard (Genesis) is less advanced than an expensive professional keyboard (SNES)... but you're fully entitled to prefer the sound of the toy... that's pure taste.

Comparing electronics to a physical drum makes no sense. Try taking a logic class sometime.

>>3103701
What cheap toy keyboards sounded like the Genesis in 1988?

Daily reminder you can stream entire pre-recorded audio tracks on a Genesis and it actually sounds good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1H_88Vmh0

>>3103701
>Comparing electronics to a physical drum makes no sense

How fucking dense are you? He was clearly just making the distinction of digital vs. analog.

>Comparing electronics to a physical drum makes no sense, also I don't understand music synthesis

Right, and your "piano" one is so much more relevant. Riight.

>>3103704
lol

>>3103697
Yeah, but only in 8-bit. That's why its attempts at realism (voices, real instruemnts etc.) are usually so garbled compared to the SNES.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YM2612

"Whereas the high-end OPN chips have dedicated ADPCM channels for playing sampled audio, the YM2612 does not. However, its sixth channel can act as a surrogate PCM channel by means of the 'DAC Enable' register, allowing the chip to play 8-bit PCM sound samples. This replaces (disables) FM output for that channel. PCM data is written to the channel via an 8-bit register."

Check and mate.

Like an above post was saying, the YM2612 was a low-cost stripped down chip.

it's been a whole week and this autist still fights a console war from 25 years ago

holy shit

>>3103714
see >>3103706

>>3103704
>>3103707

>What cheap toy keyboards sounded like the Genesis in 1988?

By '88 cheap keyboards were well more advanced than the low end sound chips in the Genesis. This one is from '86.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0_pz6cTUU4

I'm realizing you guys have no idea at all what you're talking about as this thread goes on.

Fuck, here's one from 1979.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H59GG0gn_HM

>>3103728
>genesis sounded like a toy keyboard
>uuuuh it sounded worse than a toy keyboard here are a bunch of toy keyboards that sound nothing like a genesis to prove my argument
holy backpedaling batman

>>3103728
>I'm realizing you guys have no idea at all what you're talking about as this thread goes on.

I knew from the beginning that you were an arrogant blowhard. The fact that the chip existed in cheap boards doesn't mean they weren't used in higher end ones. But you're clearly not talking about keyboards, you're talking about chip quality.

Guess what? Good music can be made with garbage on the street. Taste is subjective.

Surely you can do better than that.

>>3103728
>By '88 cheap keyboards were well more advanced than the low end sound chips in the Genesis. This one is from '86.

Honestly, this sounds better than the SNES does. Do you know why? Because its built in sound samples are higher quality than any SNES game.

>Fuck, here's one from 1979.

Come on, even the Genesis' secondary sound chip, the Texas Instruments PSG inherited from the Master System can do all kinds of square waves.

>>3103706
hey, it's autismo!!! holy shit

so 26KHz is "at the limit" for the genesis with a hacked cart?

you realize the SNES was 32KHz standard out of the box, right?

was there ever a single example of the genesis sounding anything like that hacked cart or the SNES aerosmith song posted above? i.e. like a proto-MP3? i can't think of any

>>3103647

>>3103746
>you realize the SNES was 32KHz standard out of the box, right?

Should have been 44.1khz, actual CD quality. Accept no less. The Genesis doesn't rely utterly and completely on PCM for its sound like the SNES does.

And for good reason too, what's the point of using samples if you can't store high quality ones on the cartridge? Doing so would eat up precious space that could have been otherwise used for extra levels or more animation.

Oh wait, that actually did happen.

>>3103742
Maybe, but I agree that they were both doing things the Genesis was simply incapable of.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDvKwSVuUGA

>>3103746
>If I say it enough, It'll become a meme!

Could you not? I like my memes as inside jokes.

Also, taste is subjective. You're literally arguing over subjective opinions.

>>3103752
Can't you all find a thread where you can share music and enjoy it as it is? Because this childish back-and-forth got old years ago.

>>3103753
>incapable

Explain how that makes the composition any better than past compositions on older hardware. Or is your argument "I'm a quality whore"?

>implying an 8 bit system could do something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFcdQObbT8o

come on family

>>3103759
Some Fm enhanced sms games sound pretty good.

>>3103754
>taste is subjective. You're literally arguing over subjective opinions.

>Explain how that makes the composition any better than past compositions on older hardware. Or is your argument "I'm a quality whore"?

As has been said above several times, it is indeed SUBJECTIVE to say for example "I prefer the Genesis sound over the SNES" or "I like the Atari 2600 sound better than the SNES"

but what is OBJECTIVE is that the 2600 and Genesis had technically inferior hardware i.e.

SNES vs Genesis

8 sound channels vs 6
32/44.1 KHz vs 24
16 bit PCM vs 8 bit
64 KB sound RAM vs 8

etc.

I'm talking OBJECTIVE reality of the hardware. Others are moving the goalposts to talk about "taste" because they're on the losing side of the argument.

Yes, being a "quality whore" is a bad thing indeed if you're a sega fanboy.

>>3103775
Agreed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhazGzHs6Z4

>>3103779
>Yes, being a "quality whore" is a bad thing indeed if you [want to respect other people's opinions]

fixd

Your "objectively better hardware" can still produce shit. Geddit?

Go straight, enough said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY

>>3103423
Genesis is better

>>3103782
You're making another strawman argument, geddit? I never argued about tastes, as I said, feel free to like the 2600 better as well. I don't care. I was only ever talking about the hardware. And since you conceded that Genesis was weaker, there's nothing else to banter about on my end. Go enjoy those sweet Streets of Rage tunes.

>>3103793
>I never argued about tastes

You are, though. You're claiming that better hardware = better music. Some of us don't agree with that; people make music with trash on the street. Your argument is invalid.

Thanks, I will.

>>3103779
>8 sound channels vs 6
Actually it's 8 (SNES) vs 10 (Genesis). Genesis also has a 4 channel TI SN76489 you moron.

>32/44.1 KHz vs 24
So the SNES is suddenly 44.1 KHz? HAHAHAHA. Again, this is only for PCM, which is only 1 (optional) channel on Genesis.

>64 KB sound RAM vs 8
Only useful for PCM which the SNES completely relies on. Both consoles have 8KB of sound RAM per PCM channel.

The only objective reality is your utter cluelessness.

>>3103807
No I'm not, straw man master (or dense simpleton). I argued that the Genesis had technically inferior hardware and therefore technically inferior sound.

What a programmer does with given hardware and what an individual likes is up to them.

For example. if you like a given Atari 2600 track better than a Dreamcast one, I don't give a fuck. Like what you like. But don't argue the 2600 had superior sound hardware.

It's not that complicated.

SNES autist babby getting BTFO itt

>>3103824
>Or dense simpleton

Cool projection, buddy

>I argued that the Genesis had technically inferior hardware and therefore technically inferior sound.

Yes,

>You're claiming that better hardware = better music.

>What a programmer does with given hardware and what an individual likes is up to them.

Yes, that was the point I was making. You can make terrible music on high-end hardware.

>But don't argue the 2600 had superior sound hardware.

Here's where you're getting confused. I never said the genesis was superior hardware-wise, ever. Find one quote where I did.

Indeed, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Does the SNES have anything that could rival this?

>The game's soundtrack was composed by Yuzo Koshiro and Motohiro Kawashima, who had both worked on Streets of Rage 2, and features influences from Detroit's hard techno scene which was popular in Tokyo nightclubs at the time of the game's development.[2] For the soundtrack, Koshiro created a new composition method called the "Automated Composing System" to produce "fast-beat techno like jungle."[3] It was among the most advanced electronic music creation technique at the time, incorporating heavily randomized sequences.[4] This resulted in innovative and experimental sounds generated automatically that, according to Koshiro, "you ordinarily never could imagine on your own." This method was very rare at the time, but has since become popular among techno and trance music producers to get "unexpected and odd sounds."[5] The soundtrack also had elements of abstract, experimental, gabber,[2] and trance music.[6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fNkGMuwS4

>>3103835
Unlikely because SNES can't generate music unless it's tied pre-existing sound samples.

On Genesis you could develop a program that procedually generates new instruments even.

>>3103821
>>3103825
i see the samefag is mad and has resorted to bullshit

the SNES had 8 channels of sound, all capable of PCM sound, and the Genesis' PRIMARY sound chip had 6 with only 1 capable of PCM

bringing up that the genesis hardware also could use an atari 2600 level chip from the 70's capable of making only white noise and 3 square wave sounds is not helping your case

everything else you said is utter nonsense

>>3103837
See
>>3103618

>>3103841
c
>>3103830
Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, you are being delusional by definition

>>3103841
calm those aspergers down buddy

WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD GUYS?

>>3103853
A historical recreation of kindergarden 1993

>>3103849
>screen shots a post two post up

>brings up aspergers

>doesn't get the irony

>>3103857
>misusing irony

Cool damage control anon. It's all right, we'll just pretend that having better hardware makes better music, if it makes you feel better.

>>3103846
But does the SNES have anything that could rival the SoR 3 compositional process?

Also, the post you linked to is a shitty comparison because the Genesis is technically a synth of it's own whereas the SNES is an overglorified sampler. Thanks for proving your musical illiteracy though.

>>3103853
Full autism. Sit back and enjoy my friend.

>>3103859
>better hardware
It's literally different hardware. The Genesis generates it's own sounds whereas the SNES uses samples of pre-made sounds to make it's music.

Fuck, both have their highs and their lows, neither is inferior because they serve different functiona. Acoustic-sounding soundtracks will be superior on the SNES whereas electronic soundtracks are dominated by the Genesis.

>>3103874
*functions

>>3103874
Yessss. You have sussed it.

We're not talking about superior hardware, we're talking about superior soundtracks. Which is subjective. Thus, y'all tried bringing objective hardware to draw lines, while ignoring that some people find archaic or outmoded hardware charming.

Can't we just have a "good soundtrack thread"?

>>3103883
Not to mention if you want "technical superior audio" during the 16 bit generation you would have just bought a fucking Sega CD and stop quibbling about Genesis and SNES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7VTw1E3b4

>>3103885
Hahah right? Or a Turbo CD, if you're so inclined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Dj_wS9YzY&list=PLE05FF50E1FE4B3E8

>>3103883
Outmoded is a nice way to put the Genesis sound hardware ;)

>>3103910
Yes, I intentionally did that to appease you. Now post soundtracks or get out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEz1BVeGO2o

>>3103807

>trash on the street

best genesis sound analogy i've seen thus far

>>3103913
Here's several.

Once there was an arcade game made using actual rock music from the band Aerosmith. It had ports to both the SNES and Genesis.

*****

Actual Aerosmith Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQ6jLe3R8E

SNES Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRIUXzUrCY

Genesis Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7Tq0XgfLI

*****

Actual Aerosmith Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udgSerJSubk

SNES Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipzunVGIm0

Gensis Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7eogs6Tgc

*****

Question is, why did the Genesis have such laughably shit sound capabilities?

Hell, Michael Jackson even demanded his name be taken off the credits for the music he wrote for Sonic 3…

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3#Michael_Jackson.27s_involvement

“In a 2009 interview with French magazine Black & White, Buxer stated that Jackson was involved with some Sonic 3 compositions, but chose to remain uncredited because he was so unhappy with the sound capabilities of the Genesis. He also said that the Sonic 3 credits music later became the basis for Jackson's 1996 single ‘Stranger in Moscow’ “

>>3103915
Wasn't my intention, but whatever floats your boat.

Cmon, can't you read? Gimme somma that sweet SNES music you were going on about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxHEgBRqhM

>>3103919
This is the internet, you can just say "revolution X" and I'll probably know what you mean. If not, I'll just search it up.

And I already knew about the MJ fallout, I feel you're just writing this because it's inflating your childhood ego. Which is really sad.

I mean, you even went through the effort of separating the soundtracks from the rest of the reply, as if that meant anything. You care wayy too much about this fake argument going on.

>>3103924

>went through the effort of separating the soundtracks from the rest of the reply

Just making things as simple as possible for simpletons :)

>>3103929
>:)

I'm sure you felt really cool doing that, too. Good for you.

More soundtracks plz. Even a simple google or youtube search should be enough.

I particularly like this series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH14v4JM-K8

>>3103919
Why SHOULD they be exact replicas of the songs you've listed? When even the SNES versions you've posted sound like complete shit? Why does this shit even matter?

Also I like how you completely ignore these posts from hours ago.
>>3103835
>>3103864
>>3103874

>>3103924
>"This is the internet, you can just say "[insert game name]" and I'll probably know what you mean. If not, I'll just search it up."

>proceeds to spaz post link after link of his own like an aspie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYF_9e2azE

SNES autist legit thinks this is miles ahead of anything on the Genesis.

>>3103932
>Why SHOULD they be exact replicas of the songs you've listed?

Um, because, that's what the game called for? You know, a game centered around particular songs by a particular band.

Don't be mad, bro. It's ok. I like "trash on the street" sounds too. Room for everybody.

>>3103935
That guy posts good music for people to listen to.

The autist spams shitty game music by shitty bands to herald them as miraclous technical achievements.

>MK thread turns a console wars shitposting thread

You guys are truly pathetic

>>3103938
So, a crappy muffled audio recording is better than an audible electronic reproduction of the same song?

Do I get your logic right?

>25 posters
>121 posts

JUST

>>3103937
miles ahead? you mean as in the genesis only had half the fidelity and only one pcm channel etc?

miles? yards? parsecs? who knows. it's hard to equate sound quality (or the lack thereof in the genesis' case) with units of distance.

>>3103945
why do you keep posting the same image over and over again, autismo? just start using a trip already so I can filter you.

>>3103874
>>3103883
/thread

anyone arguing past this point is blatantly shitposting

>>3103935
I'm sorry, and how is that valid criticism? Because you just wrote what I did, and then something completely unrelated, followed by an empty insult.

Put some weight into your insults. Or you could post soundtracks instead of crying over shit that has no bearing on how you live your life. Pathetic.

>>3103938
>expecting CD quality music from a 16-bit game

Lol you sound like those people that wanted the ball in pong to be round

>>3103945
Shut the fuck up about specs you blind autist fuck. Read the thread.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8zjuxaa_4

>>3103947
whoops, second quote was supposed to be
>>3103885

>>3103946
You should've been in the other thread where his arguments began and ended with mad-hominem and faulty analogies.

>>3093241

>>3103939
>shitty game music by shitty bands

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/aerosmith-20110420

I'm sorry the Genesis couldn't replicate them or their real instrumentation, but no need to besmirch one of the all-time great rock bands.

Maybe they aren't beep bop boop "chip tune" masters like Hidekoko Fartskimono, but cut them some slack.

>>3103940
>You guys are truly pathetic
Are you from the frontpage? I get the feeling every second /vr/ thread is derailed by vendettas

>>3103956
>using Rolling Stone as a credible source
Not only is this guy pants on head in denial, but he also legitimately defends shitty dadrock.

This guy's on a roll.

>>3103959
>using dadrock as an insult

So, it's bad because it's old? What?

>>3103950
>expecting CD quality music from a 16-bit game

I don't think that was the point, straw man shit poster. While the SNES was much closer, neither could produce "CD sound" aka 44.1 kmz quality... point was the SNES *could* replicate the tracks faithfully with realistic instrumental sounds and vocal lyrics while the Genesis could only make its typical Atari sounding beeps and boops.

>>3103957

>frontpage

wat. I think I get what you're implying but no.

>>3103961
Are you a 12 year old trailer kid or a 48 year old truck driver? It's ok to tell us, we promise we won't laugh.

>>3103961
>What?
Dadrock is one of the most ancient memes on 4chan.

Christ, when did you start browsing this website?

>>3103963
>muffled sound recordings are faithful reproductions
>Atari and Genesis sound the same because all electronic instrumentation is the same lol
Back to /r/dadrock or /r/gaming or whatever other cancerous cesspool you come from.

>>3100685

This. All of my this.

Their "revolutionary rubberband AI" was just cheap garbage that awarded itself priority over whatever move you did.

>jump kick at AI
>AI blocks and uppercuts before blocking animation is finished
>AI jumps at you
>kick connects through your blocking animation
>if you manage to block, get stuck in slow animation and can't uppercut AI

This is the second time the SNES autist has successfully derailed a thread into a SNES vs. Genesis shitflinging contest.

Where the fuck are the mods?

>>3103961
Hall of famer dad rock is not nearly as cool as unironically listening to beeps and boops made for video games in 1988 I guess :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szNU4yffXUg

>>3103973
>Where the fuck are the mods?

somebody is mad their "trash in the street sound" console couldn't hold up to the fact bantz :(

>>3103968
>Christ, when did you start browsing this website?

You sound really... cool.

>>3103973
They died the moment they stopped deleting Dreamcast threads.

>>3103956
>implying aerosmith is good, or one of the "all-time greats"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWDbdS-vjg

>>3103963
>I don't think that was the point

But you literally said they used "actual rock music". Does that not imply CD quality?

Because it was released on Saturn and PS1 as well... You're trying to bolster the SNES version while conveniently leaving out the superior 32-bit versions.


>>3103965
Naw. I'm young, but not that young. Feel free to draw your own conclusions, I'm sure you would have anyway.

>>3103968
2007. Not that I can prove it, nor will you believe me.

But meaningless tripe aside, just because it's "old" or "played out" doesn't diminish the value in it's original meaning. Don't get me wrong, I listen to other stuff, too, considering you're on such a bad inference kick. But dismissing it because it's old is ignorant, if anything. You could at least take a look around and listen to lesser known singles, or what have you. Not that you're actually going to.

>>3103973
Nowhere.

>>3103976
>Hall of famer dad rock
>Hall of famer

Ah, so you just hate things that are popular. I really should have expected that.

>>3103981
Don't be salty just because your hard work arguing was made irrelevant. I mean, I'm going to call you out on this very instance if I ever see that comparison again. Hooray, I made a meme!

>>3103972
I feel that's more a technical limitation, running an AI at the same time as running the stage would probably make any 16-bit console poop out. Or, it would at least affect the rate of gameplay. With the frame moves, it's much easier to predict where the player is going to go.

>>3103989
C'mon man, you're just giving them ammo to ridicule you.

...let it be

>>3103976
Soundtracks that attempt some kind of innovation and experimentation are superior to soundtracks that utilize muddy recordings of commercialized dadrock bands for greasy teenagers who refuse to learn of something better, yes.

>>3103981
>unanimated gif
you're also the OP of this thread, aren't you?
>>3096591

>>3103989
whhhaaattt? an obscure and shitty band... so offbeat... so edgy... so utterly RaNdOm dude

you madman!

>>3103995
Fine, I'll do it too. Just this once though.

Nice criticism, bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxeNpszmYGc

>>3103990
Are you the guy that equated the sound of Genesis to trash in the street?

>>3103995
>that
>even close to being offbeat
You really need to branch out of Rolling Stone top 50 lists, broseph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu9MehUlLgo

>>3104004
i know right? that guy is like SO normie. such a chad. you sound cool as fuk though. i like how you like certain things instead of others.

>>3104001
No, I'm the guy that mentioned [homeless] people jamming out on garbage in the street. You're the one that turned it around and tried using it as an insult.

Honestly, claiming the chip actually sounds like garbage being hit with sticks is just being dishonest. It's like you're ignoring the nature of music synthesis itself.

But please, feel free to post that. I'll post you trying to make it about the genesis.

>>3104004
Okay okay, I think he gets the point, /mu/.

>>3104010
Really? You're going to complain about popular old music, and suddenly it's just as bad to listen to unpopular old music? Make up your mind, buddy.

>>3103990
Dadrock doesn't refer to rock bands that are old, it specifically refers to old commercial rock bands like Bon Jovi, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith and others, bands that (mostly) american dads would listen to and kids that are "born in the wrong generation" and think they have good taste for listening to those bands instead of top 40 radio. Back in 2009-2011 people like that were rampant throughout internet forums. Coincidentally precisely dadrock fans keep pushing the belief that electronic music isn't real music/doesn't take as much skill as "real" music.

Though nowadays "born in the right generation" poptimist kids have become just as rampant as dadrock faggots, it's not to a degree in which dadrockers have been eliminated completely. Both groups are shit anyway.

>>3103031
it looked and sounded better than the 32X version too

>>3104023
>Both groups are shit anyways

Indeed, just as shit as your ability to infer my musical taste.

I don't listen to any of the bands you listed, not of my own volition, at least.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=opINgV7sAA8

>>3104026
Really? What makes you think that?

>>3104023
>Back in 2009-2011 people like that were rampant throughout internet forums. Coincidentally precisely dadrock fans keep pushing the belief that electronic music isn't real music/doesn't take as much skill as "real" music.

i know, it was CRAZY

from 2009-2011 it was INSSSAAANNNEEE

those dadrockers were EVERYWHERE

it was MADNESS

>>3104027
I wasn't attacking you, I was attacking the SNES autist who thinks Rolling Stones is a credible source on music as a whole.

If that was you in >>3103961, then my apologies, anonymous forums tend to be muddy waters.

>>3104031
Happens.

>>3103990
>this level of autism, replying to all those posts
jesus man, at least hide your power level a little bit.

>>3103995
>has never taken a single music theory or jazz course in his life
you wouldn't know rock music if it raped you with a pitchfork.

>>3104036
Not my fault all you retards kept posting like hyper ADHD fuckwads.

>>3104027
>Really? What makes you think that?

eyes.ears.

https://youtu.be/Unq7aEdCP5g?t=42

>>3104041
>More colour depth, higher resolution sprites, transparency effects

So, you're just a fanboy, then. You do you.

>>3104041

>>3104041

Nigga did you actually watch that? Sega was way better.

>>3104058
I know. And this and one shows the 32Xs lack of color too... the 32X backgrounds look no better than the Genesis ones really... no wonder it was such a historical failure.

>>3104041

Why were Sega backgrounds always such shit? I thought the Sega had blast processors and could do what nintendon't.

>>3104076
Sega marketed to rubes. Half their claims were lies.

>>3104074
>>3104083
Did Sega rape you as a child?

>>3104076
>Why were Sega backgrounds always such shit?

Because you're generalizing?

>>3104092
Is he?

>>3104129
>posting a photo from one game, a multiplat, at that

Yes.

even the best looking genesis game had crappy backgrounds compared to the snes

>>3104136
Huh? Even the best of Sega wasn't on par with the SNES.

>>3104136
Sega had 500 colors. SNES had 32,000.

>>3104137
>compared

Here's where your problem lies. If the game was multiplat, both games had to look at least somewhat the same. Because the Genesis had a limited colour pallette, it utilized CRT display tricks to get a little more out of the system. That checkerboarding you're complaining about wouldn't be visible on a CRT.

So again, this is entirely subjective. Artists can make good art within technical limitations.

>>3104140
Can you not read? You just posted another multiplat. Or is that the only way you're going to compare systems?

>>3104141
That's a very compelling argument. Except, I find it more impressive when you have less to work with. Perhaps that's where we disagree.

>>3104148
>That checkerboarding you're complaining about wouldn't be visible on a CRT.

Yes it was.

Not that it matters though. Anyone concerned about the graphics is an idiot.

>>3104148
I think he's referring that due to the lack of ram on the genesis, the backgrounds often had to be simplified.

>>3104141
That's bullshit, sega had 64 snes something like 512 if you count transparency layers, but actually 256.

>>3104148
>implying ports (i.e. comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges) aren't the best way to compare console performance

>implying CRTs will magically mask Genesis' paltry 64 onscreen colors limitation

>I find it more impressive when you have less to work with

So the Atari 2600 beats both?

Good logic.

>>3104176
don't be stupid, sega fanboy

>>3104183
>>3104154
Goddamn I hate this picture, it gets a bunch of shit wrong
>possible color combination instead of simultaneous colors on-screen
>snes winning at resolution due to a high res mode that was only rarely used for menus in rpgs and one racing game
>snes wins max possible sprites even though genesis was better at pushing them too due to faster clock
>max sprite size when it's just a matter of stapling a bunch of objects together to overcome that limitation

>>3104181
>So the Atari 2600 beats both?
Pretty much, I think we can all agree with that.

http://desustorage.org/vr/thread/3104098

Yo why did mods delete this thread but keep all the shitposting in this one up?

>>3104186

-it shows both retard, learn to read

-so, you're mad... that it had a higher resolution... than the genesis... ?

-bullcrap, genesis had as many games with slowdown issues as anyone and the snes didn't need a fast cpu because of its graphical architecture... the genesis relied on its cpu to do more

-i don't think you know what a sprite is or how they work

>>3104221
Oh shut up.

>>3104198
>shitposting

i.e. genesis shills got BTFO ITT... then they cried, ran away and made a duplicate thread... then they wonder why it was deleted... and cry some more about it here

>>3104231
see >>3104228

>>3104234
see
>>3104231

Sometimes I wonder why I still come here.

Like, I'm taking a break right now from studying for CFA Level 3 (a bitch of an exam). Thought I'd relax and sit back and enjoy some 4chins for 45 minutes or so.

But you know, this shit ain't relaxing senpai. I'm not even taking part in the conversation but this isn't even amusing to see, just irritating. Why do I even bother coming to a place that's just annoying for completely trivial reasons? Asking honestly.

inb4 some other smartass annoying af reply

>>3104231
>>3104236
why do you have pictures of crying black people on your hdd

SNES SPERG HOW OLD ARE YOU?

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING?

HAVE YOU EVER HAD SEX?

THANKS

>>3104257
Are you aware there are 100 other threads and you can even make a new one? Please don't cry. Here's a link: >>>/vr/catalog

>>3104231
>and made a duplicate thread
That thread wasn't a Mortal Kombat thread.

Did you even look the OP of this thread?

>>3104265
This is me. All of me. I vidya.

>>3104270
This is a MK thread that covered SNES vs Genesis MK and also later SNES vs Gensis general.

You got butthurt after getting BTFO here.

You then made a thread titled "Hurr durr SNES vs Genesis, who's really best?"

What did you expect to happen?

>>3104283
>This is a MK thread that covered SNES vs Genesis MK and also later SNES vs Gensis general.
Yeah, it was derailed into a SNES vs. Genesis general. Just like the Turbografx vs. Genesis thread last time.

Do you even have a life?

>>3104292
>life

At least I'm not posting in a thread that I dislike and that makes me cry only to post about mean ol'mods deleting my shit posting threads. That'd be rock bottom :)

>>3104317
>That'd be rock bottom
Rock bottom would be fighting a console war from 25 years ago for 3 days straight in multiple different threads for no reason whatsoever other than autism.

>>3104041
wtf is this homoerotic autism

>>3104327
I think you might be a little paranoid.

But by all means, keep shit posting to complain about shit posting.

>>3104181

MK1 Sega - Names outside of the lifebar
MK1 Snes - Names inside of the lifebar

MK2 Sega - Names inside of the lifebar
MK2 Snes - Names outside of the lifebar

>>3104181
>So the Atari 2600 beats both?
>Good logic.

>>3104175
>I think he's referring that due to the lack of ram on the genesis, the backgrounds often had to be simplified.

No, the Genesis' smaller color palette fully accounts for the difference. On that note, don't forget that in a Genesis game you're more likely to see more of the background at any one time due to the usual higher resolution of Genesis games.

Also, Genesis did not NEED as much RAM as the SNES because when you are dealing with sprites that have a lower color depth you don't need as much RAM to store them.

Proportionally speaking, even though the SNES has more RAM in absolute terms, the Genesis has more useful RAM.

>>3104129
alright so aside from the title screen looking nicer on SNES, which version of lion king would you actually want to play

the genesis version which is great all around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvTr_G9Ldo

...or the snes version which is slower, much lower resolution / viewing area, is a classic example of muffled SNES music, and has shit-tier sound effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpUNh557FnA

>slow sleepy MK thread has been going two days with only a couple replies
>go to sleep for 9 hours
>come back to 200 posts suddenly

What the hell happened?

>>3104453
not the snes autist but snes s/t is way better for that game. way more like the actual movie.

>>3104481
>way more like the actual movie.
I don't remember young Simba sounding like a cat when he roars.

The Genesis version actually replicates the sound he makes from the movie.

http://66.90.91.26/ost/mortal-kombat-2/snesxjdayo/17-victory.mp3

rip /vr/

>>3104502
>I don't remember young Simba sounding like a cat when he roars.
oh my god deja vu. I remember this autist, top kek.

>>3104632
>it's autistic to want a game based on a movie to resemble the movie

>>3100569
the SF2 AI doesn't learn either, it just has a bunch of predefined reactions encoded into frames.

>>3104720
Not him, but you're arguing about Lion King SNES vs Lion King Genesis on an anonymous image board 20 years after that particular children's console war has ended. Chances are you are indeed an autist.

>>3105325
And you're here commenting on said conversation, adding a picture to help express your emotion. I'd say that's even worse.

>>3104170
>Yes it was, and here's proof
>Oh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kILeyo1iv0A

Watch the first three minutes.

>>3104175
Yes, for multiplats. The art has to somewhat resemble each other. SNES could handle more colours on screen, meaning the genesis used tricks to achieve similar effects.

>>3104181
>comparing apples to oranges

Wow, really stretching for that one. It's like you don't care what the actual processing power is, just what pretty colours it can display.

You are basically saying that the best comparison is software that doesn't run the hardware to it's fullest extent. I hope you realise why that's not true.

>So the Atari 2600 "beats" both?

There was no competition, that was entirely your idea. Bringing up hardware to justify how much better your games are. Again. Dunce.

>>3104221
>larn to read

It doesn't. It shows the maximum combinations of colors onscreen, which isn't the same as total colors onscreen. But again, I remind the audience, quantity =! quality. Sure, you can make your games have more depth of color, but the way that colour's used is what's actually important.

>so, you're mad... that it had a higher resolution... than the genesis... ?

l2r

For RPG Menus. And the racing game. Find the most commonly used resolution, then you can brag about it.

>genesis had as many games with slowdown issues as anyone

But still allowed for smoother action. I argue the same with SNES, some devs either couldn't work around it, or just didn't care.

>i don't think you know what a sprite is or how they work

You know the nintendo badge arcade? The mega badges? That's what he's talking about when he mentions "stapling together sprites".

nnnnntry harder

>>3104231
Just left to sort out life stuff; this isn't instant message, you know. It's not going to disappear if you walk away for a day.

I mean, come on. Spamming meaningless tripe instead of arguing constructively....

>>3104257
Find another community, this one is under maintenance.

>>3104283
No, it was talking about the nature of the AI in later stages, it had nothing to with SNES or Genesis until >>3103031 fuckface showed up.

It turned into SNES vs Genesis because none of you would listen to reason and realise you're arguing over subjective taste. This is not a hard concept to grasp, and yet, here you all are, not even trying. You're even claiming victory because you thought I "ran away". Typical nintendickhead argumentation. Shout louder until you "win" (read: 404 the thread with screaming).

>getting BTFO

Citation please.

>>3104292
>>3104317
>>3104327
Shut your god damn salty pie holes. You're both on 4chan, you're equally as pathetic. Shut up and actually try arguing if you want to get anywhere.

>>3104335
>Shitposting complaining about shitposting complaining about shitposting
>You actually think this is justified

You can stop, now. You could have actually tried to post constructively, but you post that meaningless bullshit instead. Look at you, you were even self-aware enough to delete it. Good for you. Not.

>>3104480
Someone said "snex betur tn geni", this is what happens. Every time. Arguing ending in shitflinging after everyone forgot what the original point was. It's really sad, actually.

>>3104527
>>3104554
I'm back, you can stop pretending you won. Sorry.

>>3105325
>on an anonymous image board

About retro games. Any discussion is welcome, and if you can defend your opinions, all the power to you.

Sorry for the ultrapost. It's what happens when y'all decide to go about your business without bothering to make any valid points.

>>3105436
>>3105471

I refuse to believe people write posts this long about console wars just to "relive stress while drunk in a non serious way", you people are really invested on your 20+ year old console wars.

>>3105478
It's not about stress relief personally, I try to dispel any misconceptions that lead to misinformation. I've seen it go unchecked, and it creates some real dumb argumets. Emulating vs Hardware, for example. Both are completely valid, but both groups have sections of people that absolutely hate each other for what their choice of game play is, for whatever reason they personally object to it. It's not even about the games, it's about being right.

I try to not let that happen. Yes, I'm spergy.

>>3105436
>>3105471

>because none of you would listen to reason

He's back! :)

>>3105494
Cool blog post! Really demonstrating your ability to refute argumentation, huh?

>>3105487

>I try to dispel any misconceptions that lead to misinformation

Have you ever sought any kind of professional counseling/medication?

>>3105503
Have you ever tried not sidestepping? Or is this an attempt to waste my time? Because I'm gonna walk away again, eventually, where this thread will remain. I guarantee it'll be bumped by blustering blowhards blubbering about being best.

Now, answer the question. How does better hardware make better games? And be honest.

>>3105507
>I'm gonna walk away again, eventually, where this thread will remain
do you honestly not realize how insane you come across?

>>3105518
>How does better hardware make better games anon?

>Do you not realize how insane you come across?

I do; your lack of reply is admittance of defeat. Congratulations, you spent all that time arguing over nothing. I hope it was worth it.

And just in time, too! My aforementioned plans just called me, so I'm outta here.

Feel free to try and make a case for SNES having better games than the Genesis due to superior hardware, I'm genuinely curious what I'll come back to. Hopefully a pruned thread.

>>3105436
>>3105471

>>3100440
It doesn't learn. It responds to what you do, so you can manipulate the computer to responding to a move, and then attack them during their response.

>>3103423
the genesis one definitely sounds better, and I think it suits mortal kombat more.

>>3103580
while mortal kombat sounded better on the genesis, i think this game sounds better on the nintendo.

>>3105587
The SNES tracks sounded like the arcade. The Genesis was basically an entirely different soundtrack because it couldn't replicate the original tracks and the few voice samples it had were raspy as fuck. This is why you see reviews of the time harping on Genesis sound. Plus the graphic problems. Now these shortcomings are seen as campy and cool in a retro way. SNES is still way more expensive to collect for though, oddly.

>>3104181
the genesis pit floor and its lack of the original sub zero really triggered me as a kid

>>3104041
Yeah that is better. I especially like the contrast that it has over the Super Nintendo version. Jax really pops out, especially the muscular definition.

>>3105921
So you just ignore the background and water etc.? That which takes up 90%+ of the screen?

>>3100440
>>3100490

>The CPU learns
>What is Input Read?
>What is Input Steal?
>What is a Quarter Eater Arcade Game?
>What is Bad Design and Programming?

Fuck MK

>>3106057
Fuck you

>>3105395
That actually sounds like something an autist would say 2bh.

>>3105436
>>3105471
If anybody actually read this all the way through, you're just as autistic as this shithead is.

>>3106004
Probably because I am focusing on positioning and what the characters are doing more so than what is happening in the background.

>>3106223
>>3105921
>Jax really pops out, especially the muscular definition

Sounds like you like to concentrate on the muscular definition of black men.

>>3106140
Is that Autismo all cleaned up?

>calling other people autistic on an anonymous imageboard dedicated to retro cambodian cartoon girls

Yet again, SNES = great graphics, music and samples. Genesis = lesser versions of each. Music is downright cringy.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWDvwcMu5A

>>3106437
>posting lost vikings
Seriously m8? Out of all the games to shitpost about you had to choose Lost Vikings?

This is one of the few games where the SNES and the Genesis have a virtually identical color palette.

The Genesis version runs at a higher resolution, actually supports 3 players at once, has more levels, and actually has intro scenes for each new area. I'll give you music though, even though the Genesis version is fine here (it's by Matt Furniss after all).

>>3106440
stop responding you retard

>Nobody challenges my arguments

Lol nintendickheads could have at least tried to reply (>>3105565 >>3106145) instead of being surprised that I had the balls to point out every inconsistency on this thread. For example:

>>3105635
>like

Meaning "moreso", meaning "not exactly", you could just emulate MAME if you care so much about quality. Again, you're free to like whichever version you want, but claiming one is "better" than the other is completely irrelevant nowadays.

>Now these shortcomings are seen as campy and cool in a retro way.

You were thiiiis close to having a hint of self-awareness. But I suppose you love that reverb too much, yeah?

>>3106057
Every fighting game of the day did this, it's called "artificial stupidity", if anything. You just think it's cheating because you can't find a way to counter it.

>>3106246
Sounds like you enjoy being intellectually dishonest. Sorry you got told.

Oh, also https://youtu.be/kILeyo1iv0A?t=88 (1:28)

>>3106437
Posting ANOTHER MULTIPLAT

You are actually retarded, aren't you? If you want to compare systems, you have to compare them at their best, when they're being pushed to their limits. But that's not convenient for you, is it?

>>3106443
Cry harder fagalot

>>3106440
What does m8 mean?

>>3107808
Google it.

>>3107807
do you not care that you are mentally unstable? do you not have any friends or family to help you?

>>3107820
Nope! I only care about the truth. And because you clearly don't have any arguments besides insulting my character, I'd argue you're fresh out of it!

Cry harder

I like both equally. Genesis is less powerful, but I liked its controller better and it had Sonic.

>>3108073
Is that Autismo in younger days?

>>3108418
Thank you autismo. I think both consoles have their pros and cons.

>>3105635
lol the Genesis version sounds even better than the arcade version though

>>3105635
I'm with the neckbeards that think the Matt Furniss soundtrack sounded better than the arcade.

>>3103368
No one asked nerd.

>a Genesis thread
>a genesis music thread
>Derailer Fuck everytime
>LOL AUTISMO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL AUSSIE AUTIST ARE THE NEW RETARDS AND OUTCAST WE EDGYFUKS
>Every single time now.

>buttblasted ninitenyearolds attempting to defend the muffled, lifeless hackjobs that are the SNES MK soundtracks

every time

>>3103423
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5XECnFd6-M
>that smooth as fuck almost-junglist beat
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlS_hPgPK5M
>that fucking drop

>that bass
>those drums

That's just fucking disgusting.

>>3110223
>>3111383
>>3111887
go to sleep autismo

>>3102937
>>3102924
I never saw a single freeze in that vid. Shame because that would have proven the statement "It's impossible to throw the AI". With this video, bad playing is still a possibility.

>>3103423
Love how the SNES ones show an actual screenshot of the game, whereas the MD ones plump for a scan of the box art because the in-game title screen probably looks like shit.

>>3112173
thats some mega autistic thinking right there m8

>>3112173
I remember the original MK 1 commercial on TV "Mortal Kombat!!!"... turned out they used all SNES footage in the commercial, even the Genesis parts, and I was disappointed as fuck when I got my Genesis copy for my birthday.

>>3112175
That's some mega autistic butthurt fanboy thinking right there m8

>>3112173
The Genesis ones show an in-game title screenshot at the beginning of the vids as well, you moronic manchild retard. I'm honestly amazed that fanboyism like for this 20 year old consoles can exist in 2016. What on earth is wrong with you faggots?

>>3112187
>What on earth is wrong with you faggots?
Empty lives, lack of vagina and definitely some mental handicap of sorts.

>>3112187
>The Genesis ones show an in-game title screenshot at the beginning of the vids as well
Okay. Chill, butthurt manchild fanboy.

>>3112193
How old are you?

The AI for these old fighting games was extremely cheap, it wasn't 'learning' anything, it just read inputs and did the appropriate counter depending on what stage you were on / difficulty setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzjKnIrrj6M&t=6m

Grinding survival mode in SFV is absolute torture because it mixes super-dumb AI for most of your fights and then mixes in something like stage 43 Laura who can punish jabs, does meaty setups and actually anti-airs constantly.

Fighting game AI should be avoided at all costs, what the fuck were Capcom thinking locking colours behind them. SF4 locked colours behind online matches.

>>3112205
Locking colours?

>>3112173
>>3112187
#btfo
>mfw the snescuck didn't even watch the sega vids
>mfw blind fanboyism in a grown adult man

>>3112217
Why the hell would I watch them? I'm not the fanboy - I'm just being brutally honest about old hardware, to stick one in the craw of fanboys in denial.

Feel free to analyse it in whatever way suits your own hangups though.

>>3112220
>Why the hell would I watch them?
>snescuck confirms his blind fanboyism

>>3112225
To be honest I'm having the most fun watching your posts and reaction images, indicating just how important you consider it to "btfo" me.

Just look at you. Stop biting, prick! It's embarrassing.

>>3112220
It's a comparison video for audio and all you came up with was >>3112187, as well as a confirmation that you didn't even play the vids. You are the definition of a fanboy... and a pretty pathetic soul 2bh.

>>3112178
lol, the didn't show a single second of the genesis, did they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ZbW3mkvvA

hiding its crappy graphics like a mofo

>>3112230
>You are the definition of a fanboy... and a pretty pathetic soul 2bh.
Then why are you even engaging with me? Let alone trying to take some kind of moral victory.

Oh and I just looked at one of the videos. I was right: the title screen looked like shit.

So now what?

>>3112178 (You)
lol, they didn't show a single second of the genesis, did they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ZbW3mkvvA

hiding its crappy graphics like a mofo

>>3112236

>>3112178
lol, they didn't show a single second of the genesis, did they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ZbW3mkvvA

hiding its crappy graphics like a mofo

>>3112234
>>3112237
>>3112240
Final answer?

>>3112236
Now I ponder over how pathetic you are again and have a chuckle to myself.

>>3112241
hahahaha

>>3112239
>>3112240
Why was the Genesis such trash? Shaking my head famalams.

>>3112205
Wow, what would you expect from a fighter on a 16-bit machine? Every AI is "cheap" even today. They obviously made the right decision not trying to get very complicated with it.

Would you have preferred them to waste their time and resources trying to improve AI instead of multiplayer? If they did it would only result in incrementally better AI.

Think of them like Quake 3 Arena - they were designed as multiplayer games with an AI thrown in at the end. Obviously you'll learn how to exploit it and it will seem lame at the end, that even happens with chessmaster. Try playing a sports game, the same thing happens when you figure out how to score a goal every time. What the hell do you expect, a real human-like intelligence figuring out what to do about everything you come up with?

>>3112243
Yeah and I could go into depth as to why you keep posting these giggling reaction pics, as if you view them as some kind of "weapon" that you use when someone is "wrong on the internet" for millionth time, because it clearly bothers you more than it ought to.

But I can't be fucked m8. It's my day off. I'm just having a bit of bant.

What the fuck has happened to this board?

I hate when people say this meme but damn... this is seriously cancerous as hell. What on earth is going on?

>>3112260
Got it! It's because girls laughing at you is your greatest fear (with some real-world precedent, no doubt), so what better to project onto me in some meaningless online discussion?

>>3112260
>bantz
>this much damage control over >>3112243

Someone's bruised. The reaction image guy isn't me but since you like them so much.

>>3112268
*aw fuck :(

>>3112264
>It's because girls laughing at you is your greatest fear
Have you ever witnessed a greater projection than this?

>>3112268
pfffft

Interpret it how you like. I'm out. If you want, the last word shall be yours. All you have to do is reach out and take it.

>>3112271
>Have you ever witnessed a greater projection than this?
Or this? This could go on forever really, couldn't it?

>U PROJECKT
>NO U

Are you m8s having a sperg out?

>>3112261
Autismo happened. And consequences will never be the same.

>>3112273
>mfw anon's afraid of female reaction images
seriously though man get some self awareness

>>3112276
there appears to be a counter autist on the snes side too

So the MD's graphical shortfall is out of bounds... we've established that the AI is cheap on any version... what's left?

>>3112283
We know it's you, Autismo. Own it, don't run from it. Wear it as a badge of honor.

>>3112283
Not him, but please stop posting images. Stop. It's not funny, it doesn't have a point to it, it's not "HURRRR AUTISM HURRRR" to complain about it, just fucking stop it. It's distracting.

Images grab people's attention in a distracting and unjustified way. If you post an image it better have a good point. Otherwise you have a really, really, really weak, child-like mentality and are a fool. Now stop posting images and grow up or kill yourself.

>>3112313
whatever helps you sleep darling

>>3112326
hahahahahahahha. do you really think an anal prolapse of a post like that is going to do anything but make me post more? get fucked you impotent autist.

>>3112326
>HURRRR AUTISM HURRRR
Woah there spergy.

>>3112326
>S-stop posting images on an image board!

Holy shit, I was fucking right! Count 'em:
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>>3112253
Because it came out before the SNES you fucking idiot
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>>3112261
People confuse objective truth with subjective truth, it drives a wedge between the community something fierce
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>>3112276
Hey, link to those posts. I'll do you the pleasure of pointing out how all of those, save for one, are me, not this "autismo" boogeyman you thrust upon anyone that defends the genesis. I bet you felt real cool making that, though.
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>>3112283
Yeah, you just replied to him
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>>3112293
Nothing except this thread hatefucking itself to death. It's the reason I'm here anyway.
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>>3112313
See? You can tell who it is because he'll make this assumption of anyone that even marginally defends the genesis.
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>>3112380
43 chances. You retards had 43 different chances to challenge my arguments, and none of you did.

It's called admittance of defeat. If you are unable to continue an argument, it doesn't disappear to another dimension where nobody's wrong, it just means one side gave up arguing in favour of shitflinging. It's acknowledging that you don't have an argument.

Guess what faggots? Your PC is better than the genesis and SNES combined. This "one or the other" mentality is impudent, childish, and completely ignores the fact that this dynamic was made PURELY TO SELL CONSOLES. Shut the FUCK up about trivial bullshit and PLAY RETRO VIDYA

>>3114056
Dude. I *honestly* feel really sorry for you. This is the saddest thing I've seen on 4chan in a very long time. Bumping in hopes of more autistic shenanigans.

>>3115086
I can't even follow what he's upset about or which argument he's trying to win. But that's a heck of a lot of effort!

>>3115102
same lol

Mortal Kombat is shit. Streetfighter 2 is millions better.

*runs*

>Nintenyearolds taking credit for SNES music sounding good when it was actually only possible thanks to based Sony

SONY ALWAYS WINS, BAYBEE

>>3115086
>>3115102
>>3115114
I'm talking about you three, you all completely stopped trying. You all know you're wrong, and you refuse to admit it. You're not even trying to argue anymore, just saying meaningless shit like "I feel sorry for you", circlejerking in your pussyfooting around the topic at hand. You should have cut your losses and moved on. But no, some chucklefuck had to make an entirely different thread, bumped this one for no reason other than to watch me type more (which is what's truly sad here), and now we have TWO FUCKING THREADS ABOUT THE SAME SHIT.

>But that's a heck of a lot of effort!

Yes, typing is so much effort. You're a god damn idiot.

I kill SNES vs. Genesis threads. Not because I like one more than the other, but because claiming that one is "better" than the other is a matter of opinions, and the specs only actually mattered in the nineties.

>>3115186
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. See? Not difficult at all.

>>3115609
That was literally my first post itt

>>3115335
>Sony does technology before its truly ready

>muh PCM sound sampler with only 64KB of samples available
>muh PS1 spasm texturing
>muh PS2 emotion nonsense
>muh Cell trillion cores multicore

>>3116303
Minidisc. UMD.

It simply moved up to a higher set CPU level at some point, and reverts back one level if you lose enough matches.

Easy test: when you start the ladder, the first couple of opponentsn ever throw. If you stay crounching, they'll just keep punching you straight until you do something else. Doesn't matter what else you do on the match. Then after a couple of wins, they'll grab you as soon as you're within their reach.

>>3116303
>emotion engine
>nonsense
Can you come up with a real reason for hating the best gen 6 console?

Yet another thread ruined by the mentally ill man who won't shut up about how he was raped by a Genesis sound chip when he was a child. Did Sega kill your parents, too?

Seek help. You're sick.