/vr/ - Retro Games

Both Nintendo and Sega dpads use a single pivot design.

>>3097780
Single pivot? Are there any other designs?
Please tell us all the different types of Dpad construction.

>>3097830
Think just about every big name controller uses a single pivot dpad. How retarded they get about making it is what sets them apart.

Excluding the steam controller.

>>3097830
Can't remember what on, but I'm sure I've seen dpads at some point where L/R were a rocker, and U/D a separate one.

There's also the ones where it's just 4 independent buttons arranged in a +. I'm sure there are a bunch of different ways to do a dpad

Gotta say, I'm a recent Saturn convert and that d-pad feels like sex playing Bulk Slash, the Panzer Dragoons and all my fighting games.

>>3098068
Not playing Panzer Dragoon with the 3D controller..

>>3097765
wtf were they thinking with this?

is the dpad on the 3d controller the same as the model 2 one or is it a bit different?

>>3098087
I don't think they're interchangeable.

>>3098080
Haven't found one at the flea market yet, or a decently priced one online, but I'm looking. Beat the first PD on hard just the other day. I'm only proud because I usually suckered at shooters.

>>3097780
Nintendo doesn't have a pivot for most of them, Sega's are much more pronounced

>>3098096
think it's the same, they're both fantastic either way

>>3098187
The face is the same. I was talking about the parts.

Japanese 3D pads work just the same as JP regular controllers on a US or PAL system, right?

>>3098198
Yeah, I don't thonk many systems have region locking on peripherals.

>>3098669
PAL NES has lockout on controllers, oddly enough.

>>3098692
Same for SNES. For some reason you can't use US/JP controllers on a PAL SNES unless you bridge some connections on the controller board. European controllers work perfectly fine on US/JP systems, however.

>>3098692
>>3098718
One of the main reasons I still browse /vr/ is to see just how fucked PALshit is.

You guys aren't trolling?

>>3098721
Nope, they really did lock those. I can't fathom why Nintendo even did this, I guess they were afraid Europeans would import foreign controllers or something.

These are the connections you would have to bridge to use US/JP controllers on a PAL SNES, by the way.

>>3098692
>>3098718
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

>>3097765
>>3097780
is this considered single pivot?

>>3098692
>>3098718
Wait, are you saying this whole time I could have been using a SFC controller on my SNES? I just assumed there would be some region lock between JP and US because they have different names. I feel stupid even if my logic was sound enough

>>3098924
Well yeah, but the SFC controller is worse than the US one since it has a very short cable. If you really want one with only convex buttons an European one has that as well as a longer cable.

>>3098928
Well what I want specifically is the red, blue, yellow, and green buttons, convex or otherwise. But I think the colored buttons are only convex anyway. Didn't know the SFC had a short cable. My US controller is already too short for me, that I have to put my SNES on the foot of my bed so I can lay down and play. Wireless controllers were the best thing the recent generations came up with

>>3098183
Nintedo dpads rest on a point.
>>3098916
Yes

>>3098916
what the fuck is that, the shitty amerifat saturn controller? cause it sure as fuck is not a japanese dpad.

>>3098965
>>3098916
>*exaggerated* illustration of sega d-pad (for) s-button genesis and japanese saturn controllers

>>3097857
Not Sony. The Sony D-pad is a monstrosity designed to torture thumbs.

>>3097765
I don't know about those, but I love the Dreamcast pad for fighting games. Maybe it's because it's so small, but something about it works really well for me.

I removed the standard D-pad on a 360 controller and basically glued a Dreamcast one in it's place. It didn't work quite as well, but was a heck of a lot better than the default until I got around to buying a proper one.

>>3099105
>he's too young to remember NES controllers

When you grow up on NES, anything else feels like pillows.

>>3098916
I always assumed all D-pads worked like this until I checked inside my three button Mega Drive controller. Man was I surprised!

>>3099121
I grew up before NES, dude. Nothing at all is as bad as the Sony D-pad. Especially the original PS1, fucking torture trying to play fighters on that thing.

My only complaint about the Saturn controller are the X Y Z buttons. After long sessions of playing Vampire Hunter and Vampire Savior, my thumb starts to hurt from pressing these. Wish they were like the ABC buttons but smaller, as in concave instead of convex. Feels like I'm pressing on beads.

Otherwise it's my favorite controller, followed by SNES.

>>3099152
I don't like the angle that the shoulder buttons are at, but other than that I think it's fantastic.

>>3099114
kill yourself it's the crappiest pre-xbox official console d-pad ever

>>3099135
i've seen about 4 totally different ways these are made.

>>3099397
I've had many people have told me that, but I can do dragon punches, double half circles and orochinagi motions on a DC pad easier than just about any other. I do think it's partly because it's so tiny.

>>3099430
try the gamecube d-pad
its painfully tiny

>>3099547
I never played a fighter on Gamecube, but I think it would be too small. Also, it's partly the way the DC pad rocks that made it so even the tiniest movement would make things come out.

It's still my main KoF machine when we get games together because everything up to 2002 came out in Japan.

>>3098083
how to appeal to the cowa duty crowd

>>3099397
Was the Dpad of the original Xbox as bad as the Xbox360 one?

Did the Duke controller and the S controller have the same Dpad?

>>3099582
Did dudebros actually buy Saturns because its murkan controller looked more stout and Xtreme than the Playstation controller?

>>3099629
The Duke had a weird concave design and the S had a more traditional one.

Both were more responsive than the initial 360 dpads, though. They improved the 360 pad in later revisions to the point where it was actually usable. Not great, but it at least worked.

>>3099638
No, anyone who was a dudbro had a PS. Saturn was for anime nerds and fighting fans.

>>3099662
More like, anyone who was anyone had a PS.

Saturn had no real market in the US because Bernie Stolar.

>>3099782
>Saturn had no real market in the US because Bernie Stolar.

It had no market because every major retailer refused to sell the thing.

>>3099782
Well I don't think I knew anyone who ONLY had a Saturn. I'm sure there were a couple, but pretty much anyone who had a Saturn was big enough into gaming they also had a PS. It was just too big of a system.

>>3099791
>It had no market because every major retailer refused to sell the thing.

Whaat? That's the first I heard of that. I never heard of them being hard to find, at least until after it tanked.

>>3099791
I definitely remember seeing them at both Toys R Us and Sears back in the day.

>>3099801
>Whaat? That's the first I heard of that.

The early launch in the USA pissed off all the major retailers who weren't part of it (which they weren't because Sega barely had any consoles to ship to a select few stores). As a retort, they then refused to carry the Saturn.

This alone destroyed the machine from release.

>>3098951
>Nintedo dpads rest on a point.
It's kind of moot if I can press down the entirety of the d-pad

>>3099152
>>3099167
Genesis/Mega Drive and Saturn ABCXYZ buttons are meant to be pressed by your first three fingers instead of your thumb. It's meant to be like the buttons on an arcade cabinet. They're even called "triggers" in the official literature. Try it this way and you will like it better.

>>3099882
You have to deliberately do that though. It doesn't happen in normal gameplay. Depends on the generation of console too. I don't think you can do that with the Wii U daps.

>>3100258

Wat.

Sounds like a "that kid" thing, but I'll try it anyway.

Never seen anyone hold a Genesis controller like that.

>>3100258
>They're even called "triggers" in the official literature.
They're called buttons on the box.

This dumbass meme of telling people to hold controllers like a fucking retard needs to stop. It wont but god damn is it annoying.

>>>/v/

>>3100258
>>3100272
>>3100284
It literally says trigger right underneath the buttons.

I figured out you could do that when I was trying out how to charge the spindash in Sonic 3 the quickest way, and I started doing it for other games afterwards. It's not that hard, just twist your forearm whenever you need quick access to A and C.

>>3100301
Pro tip kid: Learn the difference between a Genesis and Saturn controller. It could save your life.

>>3100306

>>3100284
Rest the controller on your leg. You still use your thumb for the d-pad. Sega's soul was always in arcade-style games, and the controller layouts show it.

>>3100393
Why shitpost here? I mean /v/ is a way faster board and most kids there wont even know what the Saturn is. You can shitpost like no tomorrow.

>>3100306
Not him, but the Saturn layout is the same as the previous Genesis layout. Sega wouldn't keep the same layout while also expecting you to start using your thumb.

>>3100410
Leave your computer screen for five minutes and try it.

>>3100301

And what does "trigger" mean anyway? A trigger button is something like the N64's Z. Those are still buttons and arcade buttons are still called buttons too.

Anyway, I have never really seen anybody hold the Sega controllers like that.

>>3100423
>the Saturn layout is the same as the previous Genesis layout
>>3100431
It's not how they were made. Doing that with no arm/wrist support is horrible.

Sure as shit not with the 3d controller which would be the only one that would make sense to do it with since it has the same size buttons.

>>3100441
Everyone who doubts me, play a non-Sonic game today while resting your first second and third finger on the abc buttons. This is /vr/, so it shouldn't be hard for most of you to find one. Post your results.

>>3100452
>no support

You rest the controller on something, usually your leg. That's why the bottom of the controller is rounded off like your leg contour.

>>3100393
>Rest the controller on your leg.
And now it evolved to this.

>>3100452
>every game requires the use of both the shoulder buttons and face buttons.

>>3100460
>That's why the bottom of the controller is rounded off like your leg contour.
None of the Saturn controllers have a rounded bottom,

Not the American controller.
Not the Jap/American model2 controller.
Not the 3d controller.

You're either underage or I'm eating the bait.

>>3100467
>Hori controller

>>3100284
Seriously claw holding is so gay it makes me so mad.

>>3100471
The Genesis controller did. Look at each subsequent Sega controller starting with the Genesis type-1 and you'll see an evolution towards the mainstream diamond pattern, shoulder button layout.

>underage

I wish.

>>3100497
The genesis controller bottom is flat...

And who gives are fuck about a Genesis controller?

>>3100501
>disregarding the Genesis controller design when talking about the intention of the button layout on the Saturn.

I think you may be missing the point.

Is it possible to make your own d-pad with a lathe?

>>3100508
2 completely different controllers, bub.

>>3100514
Definitely missing the point.

>>3100526
That you're a fucking retard? Because I think that's clear.

A genesis controller is not like a Saturn controller.

>>3100530
not that anon but they do look kind of similar

are the D-pads very different?

>>3100641
>are the D-pads very different?

Night and day.

>>3100453
I'll be be back tomorrow to see if any of you do this. I will be extremely disappointed if you who disagree with me don't even take a few minutes to try it out.

>>3099105
>>3099148
The Vita has a perfect dpad for fighters though

>>3100501
>The genesis controller bottom is flat...

No, the bottoms are all curved. You're thinking about the backs of the controllers, which are flat.

>>3100530
>>3100650
The 6 button Genesis controller is pretty goddamn similar.

The shape is a bit different, but it's definitely a prototype for the Saturn controller. And the D-pad is only a little different, not "night and day".

>>3098916
>>3098951

No it's not.

The whole point of the saturn controller is that it has no pivot point.

>>3099397

>people can 1cc mars matrix on it

Look at the fatty with snausage fingers and laugh

>>3100751
How is Vita's different from the other PS pads?

>>3101245
Genesis dpads aren't very good. The Saturn is much better.
>>3101315
What?

You guys are making me sad I don't have one of these for my PC.

>>3099580
The competitive revisions (UM) which is what really matters didn't though.

>>3099402
>i've seen about 4 totally different ways these are made.

Correct, Megadrive pads had shitload of revisions. One of them even used an inverted pivot - there was a hole in the PCB, and the d-pad went under it and pushed buttons on the back of the pcb instead of the front.

>>3102493
>Genesis dpads aren't very good.

Genesis pads used like 4 different d-pads. Some were great, some were shit loose.

>>3102561
They're all bad.

>>3098197
oh, can't say

there aren't pics of the innards online?

>>3098941
Couldn't you just buy a broken SFC pad and swap the innards?

And yeah, I never knew either, so when I first saw an SFC it was really bizarre.

Speaking of, the Gundam Wing fighting game on SFC is legit.

>>3102573
Some of them were Saturn tier.

>>3102620
None of them are. The corners on a genesis dpad are sharper than the Saturn.
All feel different too.

>>3099148
I dunno about you, but I'd take a PS d-pad, even the original PSX pad, over a stock Atari stick.

>>3100423
what about the shoulders though? How are you supposed to use those and the 3-buttons when your hand has all its fingers on the 3-buttons?

>>3102623
I'm talking about the pivot, not the face of the d-pad. As for the face, the one in the 3-button Genesis pad is slightly larger in diameter, but the 6-button one is identical to the Saturns.

fun fact: prototype Saturn pads even used the 6-button Megadrive pads shell and d-pad, with a hole drilled on the left side for the left shifts microswitch.

>>3102632
>I'm talking about the pivot, not the face of the d-pad. As for the face, the one in the 3-button Genesis pad is slightly larger in diameter, but the 6-button one is identical to the Saturns.
I have the controllers in my lap. The Genesis dpad is not very good.

>>3102639
>I have the controllers in my lap. The Genesis dpad is not very good.

I already told you, they used like 4 different d-pads for the Genesis. Some of them are shit, some of them are excellent. I have about six different official Megadrive pads, and every one of them has a d-pad that feels different, one of them is loose as shit, most are imprecise, and one or two is tight as hell.

The 6-button pads all used the same design and they were all great, but they got counterfeited in huge numbers and the bootlegs were as common as the original pads even back in the 90s (and the bootlegs were notably worse quality).

>>3100736
come back in 40 days when my china miracle arrives in the mail

>>3102657
I've had at least 3 of them. They're all bad.
Much prefer the SNES dpad to the genesis.

>>3102657
how do you even ID a 'good' vs. a 'bad' beyond feeling it yourself?

am i a monster if a convert a saturn pad for pc use? or should i get a usb adapter?, since my saturn died i want a pretty good dpad for my pc.

Would be better if keep it and buy one of those pc replicas?

>>3102631
If a game requires use of the shoulder buttons, use your thumb on the face buttons. If a game doesn't use the shoulder buttons, you can try either method.

>>3102679
If it were me, I would get a usb adapter. Thanks to joytokey, you probably won't have any compatibility issues on pc.

As for reproductions, I really enjoy my Hyperkin GN6, but that is a Genesis-type, not Saturn, so no shoulder buttons.

>>3102669
>how do you even ID a 'good' vs. a 'bad' beyond feeling it yourself?

Sega-16 probably has some full autismo thread about how to do it. Personally I ordered a bunch of units from Japan and some came with good pads, some with bad pads.

The bad 6-button pads are easy to ID though, they look like the Japanese pads but use this small snap-on plastic box on the connector. Originals use a moulded rubber with a SEGA logo on it. Original USA and EU 6-button pads have different colour buttons and a thicker connector as it has a ferrite choke inside.

I actually like the Genesis 6-button pad better than the Saturn pad.

>>3102493
The model 2 one pictured (at least the jap one) is just the same if not better than the model 2 saturn dpad

>>3102770
>genesis controller better than Saturn
Don't post while drunk, anon.

>>3102721
What is the point of ferrite chokes on cables?

If I buy console audio/video cables on ebay does it matter if they don't have ferrite chokes?

>>3098924
Yeah fag, I'm over here enjoying my JP Hudson Super Joycard and using the Turbo for Gradius 3. Only problem is yeah, they're short as shit. Get some cable extenders.

>>3100258
>>3100272
>>3100284

That's my favorite way of using genesis and saturn controllers too