/vr/ - Retro Games

Of course they are, and learning curve isn't all that steep

I played Doom and am playing Doom 2 without mods. Yeah I'm having no issues.

I like the ps1 port because of ambient music alone. That plus dpad controls and darker lighting changes the atmosphere to that of a survival horror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAqjxLeDpiU
Other than that not really, modding is the only thing keeping doom alive.

Even without mods, DOOM is GOAT

Of course you dolt. It's not Elder Scrolls.

Mouse look is a must. Everything else is fluff.

Do maps count as mods?

TNT and Plutonia are well worth playing

>>3098795
Final Doom is practically an official release

It may also depend on how you view the Master Levels

Why was the Doom thread deleted

>>3098272
Yes. If you can't appreciate the game unmodded, you're not a true doom fan.

I would recommend finding a mod to disable vertical mouse movement (when you move the mouse forward doomguy runs forward and its fucking annoying). I tried to get novert but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anymore

>>3098806
It's not the first time either. Is there some butthurt janny, Bethesda shill, or a combination of the two about?

>>3098806
>>3098821

I blame the faggots still whining about doom threads not being on /vg/

Because unlike 90% of the the /vg/ threads, actual vidya discussion happens on /vr/ doom threads.

>>3098825
Are there people who still seriously do that? Especially at this stage where there's already plenty of generals on /vr/.

/vg/ is the worst fate. Even the most vidya-related generals get bumped off due to the lack of interest. It's like the people who crosslink to /vg/ haven't even been there and just wince at the sight at the word 'general'. What the fuck else are we going to talk about, more /v/, /pol/, /int/, or /tv/ crossboard crap?

>>3098806
Because I reported it in the hopes that the janitard would just delete it without looking at it because he's an incompetent fuck.

Looks like I was right ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Don't bother reporting this because I will delete it myself before the hot pocket manager wakes up tomorrow at the crack of noon and looks at it.

>>3098845
Well there is desustorage, but janitors aren't that smart.

>>3098817
chocolate/crispy, and prboom+ can have this disabled.

the fuck happened to the thread?

Of course they are. Doom's timeless.
I think the best mod to experience the game with though is Smooth Doom which just adds more frames of animation to everything. Adds something nice without changing the core gameplay at all.

>>3098806
>>3098875
/vr/doom op here. I don't know, and I'm not going to repost until I know what's going on. I thought the first one was just a misclick but now it's happened twice in a month. I've submitted this to the feedback form, and we'll see what happens.

The original Doom is one of the greatest games ever made and stands up very well without mods.

I'd rate it as the best single-player FPS ever made.

>>3098817
You can fix this in virtually every sourceport ever, including very strict ones like Chocolate Doom.

>>3098272
Plutonia unmodded is pretty great.

>>3098907
>original doom
>greatest game ever made
I'll give you "first great FPS" but that's about it.

>>3098895
Thank you, Jesus.

>>3098920
He said one of, not the be all end all.

Doom would be great if there weren't cheats automatically activated on start and you have to have a source port just to turn it off

>>3098931
What are you talking about

>>3098272
Lol no they are horrible.
Nostalgia pink gougleeees make it seem like they are good games when in fact they are not.

>>3098932
auto aim

>>3098936

The game was made around auto aim, son.

>>3098936
Autoaim only works vertically you dweeb. How else are you going to shoot elevated targets in an engine where you cant look up/down?

>>3098943
That's why you need the source port you pleb

>>3098936
played TNT and plutonia on my phone, and it removed auto aim and gave u the ability to aim... made the game 1000x better xD, still a good game with it tho, not as good

>>3098936
>autoaim is cheating
>in a game where you can't manually aim up or down

You're retarded.

>>3098947
>needing sourceport to enjoy a retro game
I think you came to the wrong board
Go back to /v/ you little piece of shit

>>3098947
Source ports having the ability to manually aim up and down with autoaim off, does not automatically mean autoaim is cheating in vanilla.

>>3098950
>You're retarded.
literally b8

Also good luck playing vanilla on a newer machine

>>3098961
>go back to /v/
this is b8 2

>>3098968
>enable super shields
>that's an option in Dark Forces isn't cheating because it's an option in vanilla
>using auto aim that's default in Doom isn't cheating because it's vanilla
Ok I rest my case, no one wants to learn to aim ever.

>>3098895
So ... can't we just make another thread?

>>3099017
>if they don't agree with me, its b8

>>3099017
>Also good luck playing vanilla on a newer machine
"what is dosbox?"

>>3099025
>Go back to /v/ you little piece of shit
>You're retarded.
>not b8

>>3099017

Even if you discard this >>3099028 by saying "but thats an ehmuhlateeon!

then

>what is VM

>>3099029
>reading comprehension

>>3099034
Mine's just fine, what about yours?
>>3099031
literally a source port, might as well just download a doom source port in the first place

>>3098895
Well, there is that fucker that keeps posting pixelated porn at the beginning of each thread. I've been reporting those posts. That's still not an excuse to delete the whole thread, but it's not a stretch of the imagination to guess that the mods never go to /vr/ unless something is reported, so they see the report and delete the whole thread out of ignorance. Just a guess.

>>3099017
>needing a newer machine to play doom
>not having an old pc for old games

literally pleb.

>>3099029
>people pointing out your stupidity is bait now

>>3099046
>reporting green and purple
how new r u?

>>3099039
You might as well just play Doom 3 in the first place

>>3099051
>We share a board with people too young to appreciate their daily dose

You know, I love gameplay mods, but... Mapping for that DUMP thing made me appreciate vanilla gameplay more, for some reason.

>>3099052
>Doom 3
>literally the same as the original Doom
That's a pretty big thing to say about Doom 3 considering it was nothing like Doom in the first place
>no sound track outside of main menu
>dark as fuck
>reloading
>stamina instead of being able to run everywhere
>horror themed instead of what Doom was
literally everything about Doom 3 wasn't Doom, it just had the name, but if you were to take it away it would have been better received.

>>3099017
>using auto aim that's default in Doom isn't cheating because you can't look up or down in vanilla

FTFY

>>3099074
>what is irony

You dumb fucks are still replying to the bait. Please stop.

>>3099054

>>3098272
Absolutely.
Most mods detract from the experience.

>>3098272
I prefer playing without mods and zdoomisms, honestly. But I grew up playing vanilla, so.

>>3099109
Few of them come near the quality of the base game (naturally) but they add a lot of longevity to it. Most people play gameplay mods with user-made mapsets anyway.

We don't have a doom thread right now so have this

>>3099134
Do they explode?

>>3099139

Well I just did this as a joke but uh

I might make this a feature.

and yes they'll explode on death

>>3099134
>boner
Excuse me sir, this is a christian website! Take your profanities elsewhere

>>3098895
I can't help but feel partially responsible because my map had that dick shaped area
It seems silly but I do believe the mods can be that pissy about it these days

>>3098947
>someone on /vr/ saying that source port is necessary to play a game without mods

now this is something you dont see every day.

>>3099134
>Boner

You dingus, you're gonna get us telefragged again.

>>3098797
Personally aside from the main games, I like Final Doom and No Rest for the Living
Master Levels is a mess though, it was poorly handled on ids part and just contains 20 pwads. Some of which are gimmicky and aged poorly.

In answer to OPs query, Yeah Doom is still fun without mods. I hardly play with mods.

>>3099251
I think Master Levels had some great levels. Just that, having them all be individual levels wasnt a good idea.

At least they learned from that with Final Doom.

>>3099258
yeah I agree

>>3099134
literal cancer.

>>3098272
Oldfag here. I haven't played Doom since highschool and the only mod we had then was Barney Doom. I remember that game being heck of a lot of fun. A lot more fun than drafting class anyways.

>>3099142
>I might make this a feature.
Use your TEXTURESm magic to cout out revenant heads, legs and arms as gibs for them.

You could also make it shoot out revenants stuffed into barrels maybe?

>>3099115
>zdoomisms
This means someone cluelessly mapping for boom and below while only testing in zdoom, unaware of it's limit removing capabilities such as being able to use flats as walls etc and nothing else.

>>3098792
unmodded Doom has mouse look

>>3099093
obscure sourceport? don't know, never heard of it

>>3098936

I actually laughed.

People are so used to source ports they dont seem to remember you couldnt look up & down back then.

I mean, nowadays, I always play with mouselook and autoaim disabled BUT I remember the old days of playing doom with just the keyboard. (Wish I had known you could play with mouseaim back then, but then again, I came from a console background, so playing pc games was an adventure in itself. Dont know if I could have wrapped my mind around using TWO WHOLE peripherals to navigate)

>>3099408
Doom had mouselook since day one, though you seem to distinguish mouselook and mouseaim, for some reason.
There's no autoaim. It's just that despite the visuals suggesting elevation, all computations for the game are planar.
As such, any "sourceport" with mouselook or autoaim is a good indicator that it's not a sourceport.

fucking hell

>>3099427
Wasn't it until Final Doom that they added it in? Until then you rolled the mouse like a trackball to move.

>>3099427
>>3099942
Both of these posts do not make any sense.

>>3099930
Jesus christ how horrifying

>>3098272
Yes.

>>3098272
Hell yes, the classic gameplay is still solid.

>>3099329
On doomwiki
>Can also be used as a term for the quirks ZDoom exhibits that other ports do not

>>3099357
Mouselook is when moving the mouse looks up and down instead of moving you.

>>3098797
It is literally an official release. Old definition of literally.

>>3098272
I'm playing them for the first time on ZDoom. I don't use mouse control but I auto-aim. Also I'm having trouble circle strafing and shit. And I save-scum almost every level until I know where the enemies are.

Great game. I'll start Plutonia next.

I use mouse look. i play brutal doom /thread stay mad LOL.

>>3101391
Mouselook is when you can look around with mouse. Left and right.

FreeLook is when you can look up and down.

That's how this been called in 90's shooters. You could turn off Freelook and walk around with mouse in most of them.

>>3101440
Freelook is where you don't have to hold a button down to mouselook. Quake 2 has this, Quake 1 does not (You have to type+mlook in the console to simulate freelook) Open up a build engine setup.exe or Quake 1's options menu and you will see that the definition of mouselook I am using is the one used in the games themselves.

>>3099150
No way, there's never been a problem with crude phallic imagery, and I frequently see sextoys posted on /k/ and whenever I look at /v/