/vr/ - Retro Games

can someone help me find the service manual for a sony bvm 1310?

>>3090574
>bvm 1310
can't find it sorry, lots for sail if you're desperate.

>>3090616
woops *sale :\

I wish that you would stop creating these autistic generals for old ass CRT TVs. It's a bad influence on the retarded underage kids.

>>3090639
I agree but wording your post like an angry autist doesn't help either.

lots of cross thread linking
>>3089970
looks nice not too cheap though.
>>3089957
I think your missing my point i know the ground connects to the ground pin but the end not connected to the ground pin is connected where?
>>3089962
and thank you for the thread link helped alot.

>>3090639
>It's a bad influence on the retarded underage kids.
You want to know what a real bad influence on underage kids is? Letting them hang around black people and being too afraid to confront them about the perks of contraception

Weigh your priorities you little shit, these meaningless discussions about antiquated TVs are not harming anyone

Anyone has Dreamcast hooked to 15 kHz only display? How's your experience?

>>3090905
i have mine through s-video looks fine at 480i
scart would be better

arrived today. It's in really good condition too. Only console I have right now is n64. Currently I want a Dreamcast. What games for DC will truly make me appreciate my new beautiful scanlines?

>>3090964
>PVM
>dreamcast
Really clinging to that bandwagon.

>>3090964
you will need scart rgb for dreamcast scanlines. vga wont work on that pvm. all the fightin and shmups.

>>3090982
"Scart rgb" wont work either, google porrator.

But at least you kinda sound like you got nerd cred.

>>3090982
>>3090984

will S-video work with dreamcast?

>>3090985
Sure

>>3090905
Extremely limited 240p and general 480i looks fine from the Dreamcast.

>>3090985
S-Video is quite nice on the Dreamcast; Also don't have to worry about patching certain games to reenable 15khz RGB for them(thanks Capcom).

Bangai-O
Last Hope
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Black Matrix A/D
Marvel vs Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes
Street Fighter Zero 3
Gunbird 2
Neo XYX
Street Fighter Zero 3 for Matching Service
Gunlord
Princess Maker Collection
The King of Fighters Dream Match 1999
Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
The King of Fighters 99 Evolution
Last Blade 2: Final Edition
Street Fighter 3: Double Impact
Twinkle Star Sprites

All support 240p output by holding Start+L at boot.

>>3090574
you can try 2010 manual, pretty sure drawer commands are the exact same, I have the 1410 (euro version of the 1310) and everything matches.
http://neohyphengeo.com/BVM2010.pdf

literally nothing video games about this thread
you're talking about televisions, not video games
fucking go to /g/ or something

>>3091060
Go fuck.

>>3091060
look at the second post up from yours

>>3091060
The CRT threads are fine. It's only when mexicans and other 3rd world comes in looking for tech support that it really should be trimmed.

>>3090797
>I think your missing my point i know the ground connects to the ground pin but the end not connected to the ground pin is connected where?
The inner core obviously carries the signal means it must be connected to the signal pin.
On the other end of the wire it should be connected the same way.

>>3091493

>>3091493
>>3091616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HCP52pPGs

Any tips for photographing a CRT?

mfw your CRT will die in before you do
>can't be replaced with the same model due to rarity
>can't be repaired for same reason
>have to play retro games on an LCD

I fucking love Buster's Hidden Treasure and basically every old Konami Tiny Toon game

>>3091732
>we're all going to die
>can't play videogames when you're dead

>>3091295
Let me give an example, for shits and gaggles. Youre usings some sort or coaxial cable RG-59 for simplicity sake, and you want to using it in a scart to BNC adapter for the RED signal.

Now the inner core would be connected to the Pin for Red on the scart connector (Dont remember the number off hand) on one end, and on the other end is connected to the inner pin of the BNC connector.

but now how do you connect the same cable to the Red Ground Pin on the scart connector? the inner core is already being used for the signal, what part of the cable is used to connect the ground?

Would it be the outer metal mesh shield thats between the insulation layer and the final outer rubber/plastic coating?

>>3091493
Still love and want that monitor.

You need to learn about white balancing though.

>>3091732
>mfw I have a CRT from the early 60s that still works

>>3091810
All colors use the same ground. You connect the outer braided shielding to ground in the case or RG-59.

Also if it's already gone through a SCART cable (nowhere near as nice as RG-59), you're not going to see benefits from using it.

Even if SCART does have separate ground pins for each color (I haven't looked at a diagram), a SNES or genesis or whatever else you've got will have all the colors on the same ground internally anyway.

>>3091708
no faster than a 1/30th second exposure, set a low ISO, set a large aperture (large apertures have smaller f-stops, so a 3.5 aperture is larger than a 5.5).

Be sure to white balance your camera properly. Usually 'fluorescent' presets are decent. If you have a DSLR, shoot a RAW photo and do white balancing in a raw processor tool.

>>3090996
>>3090984
>>3090982
>>3090964

I've been considering picking up a dreamcast every now and again, couldnt you just hook up vga, and make a custom break out / converted to get RGB when merging H and V sync?

I've got a pvm that does 31khz, is it possible to get 480p on the RGB input?

>>3091896
yes.

>>3091896
you can get a vga to bnc cable, and then you have to combine H/V, via circuit preferably

>>3091810
>Now the inner core would be connected to the Pin for Red on the scart connector (Dont remember the number off hand) on one end, and on the other end is connected to the inner pin of the BNC connector.
Yes.

>Would it be the outer metal mesh shield thats between the insulation layer and the final outer rubber/plastic coating?
Exactly that is what I meant with outer shielding, you just connect that to ground on both side.

On this pic you see it how the core is connected to an input and the shielding to the nearest ground.

>>3091876
Yes, but still connect the shielding to the correct ground pins as you can never know what's exactly behind any SCART socket, there could be shielded wires or even separate ground wiring behind it.
Often all ground pins of an SCART socket are shorted together in generic TV sets but still there could be exceptions to this.

>>3090964
>scanlines past 5th Gen

>>3092039
>Often all ground pins of an SCART socket are shorted together
Bridged*

>>3092039
>there could be separate ground wiring
Not if you have it connected to a SNES.

>>3092062
>scanlines at all

Sure, raster displays and all but thick scan lines hardly serve any purpose, at least for vidya.

>>3092065
Not him, but shorted and bridged are interchangeable here.

tfw force ff8 (pal copy ) to NTSC in GSM and im gettign what looks like 480i

Final Fantasy Origins on a PVM-20M2MDU via RGB.

Am i doing it right?

>>3092039
If I make a breakout and use a screw terminal for the ground on the snes will it affect anything? I want to see of there's any difference when grounded to my amp.

>>3092239
what do you mean by 'screw terminal'?

A bit of metal exposed on the underside of the SNES? That's not grounded.

Just open the damn thing. The shell of the RF modulator should be grounded, too, so you could put an alligator clip on the outside of the RF jack.

>>3092359
Actually just realized you might not have the 4.5mm gamebit you need to open a SNES.

The outside of the RF output RCA jack is grounded, though, so try that.

>>3092224
>meme monitor

>>3092359
The kind of connections old amplifier speaker outputs use.

>>3092359
I was going to use the av out ground but realized right after I posted it would cause an impendence mismatch. Maybe I could use pin 23 on the ext port? Does anyone make a connector? Probably just open it and solder direct to the grounding plane.

>>3092093
Doesn't matter right there as I meant the SCART socket. Amiga does also have specified ground pins (like SCART or VGA) but in the schematic there are connected to the same ground, just as many other things as VGA outputs of many GPUs and other devices with SCART.

>>3092239
Maybe.
Perhaps you should start a game like SMW and pause ingame to have silence without that the mute circuit is active so you can hear the background noise better.
Then unplug your SNES from your TV/Monitor and check if the noise is gone, in my case it was and the reason was not the 75ohms load on the video lines but the PCB traces or the TDA6200 in my TV I guess.

The audio output of the SNES can be somewhat clear but if you can hear mains line hum (50/60hz) in your audio then either use a modern PSU or add a (huge) >4700µF capacitor before the 7805. Same also applies to NES.

>>3092415
Any suggestions on psu? I have a dead one I can hack the connector off if need be.

>>3092415
Did as you said and the hum stopped after I futzed with the connectors. Gotta clean them up with something. Still would like a better psu. The generic one I am using now makes a high pitch noise

>>3092474
is that a bvm tube in a consumer case?

>>3092484
No its a sanyo with a piece of paper taped to it. Little /crt/ humor

>>3092484
Yeah, I wanted to hide my power level.

so my bvm doesnt have an s-video port
just component/rgb

any way other than scart and vga+sync combiner to hook my dreamcast to it?

i was thinking there might be some kind of adapter online but i cant find anything

Anon who picked up a Sony WEGA with purity issues here

I tried degaussing it, it seemed like it was gonna work but as soon as I took the degaussing coil away from it the color issues came back.

Another anon tried telling me to shake the yolk, and I did, but it's still messed up.
I was wondering if someone could tell me if it's the screen that's messed up or the yolk, because on ebay I can get an exact replacement for the yolk for $9.

This is with the yolk not rotated at all.

>>3092597
Yolk sort of rotated

>>3092570
Which model BVM?
Which expansion boards do you have?
The BKM-24N and BKM-27T should both support composite and S-video, though you will have to break the S-video out into two BNC connectors.

You want to go to the Input menu -> Format -> Y/C

>>3092603
Rotated more

>>3092570
>>3092604

Sorry about the moonspeak, this might help explain a bit better.

>>3092609
Even more

>>3092604
bvm-2010

>>3092609
>>3092625
hello darkness my old friend

looks like youre going to need magnets (well actually any small pieces of metal that can be magnetized)

>>3092604
>>3092614
>>3092635
so get a s-video gender changing adapter and an s-video to 2 bnc cable?

will an s-video to 2 bnc cable take it backwards like that?

>>3092645
I already tried degaussing it, though.

>>3092635
if I read docs correctly, the 2010 can't accept svideo.

What's the problem with using the dc rgb or vga ?

>>3092651
i mean taping them to the tube

>>3092658
Where should I tape them? I have some magnets I can use, if this works then you're a life savor anon.

>>3092663
just experiment with moving them around the sides of the tube (they dont have to be powerful)

you may not be able to get it perfect (most likely wont) but you should be able to clean up the bad spots a bit

What is the largest size of CRT computer monitor (connecting with VGA plug) that was made for the consumer market?

I am searching craigslist for a more retro authentic display than my laptop screen and it would upset me if I unwittingly bought the second largest size of monitor.

>>3092810
The gateway destination came with a 36" VGA monitor.
Though the largest you're going to find common is 20/21" models.

>>3092016
>>3091896
A cheap Extron RGB Interface (~$10) works wonderfully as a sync processor, and can give you a nice RGsB signal your PVM would accept. I have a 109xi that I use with my Megaview at times.

>>3092224
Perhaps

>>3092810
>>3092820
I forgot to mention; it must be a flat screen CRT.
Gateway Destinations are curved screen.

>>3092859
Lol, why?

In that case, I don't know of any PC CRT with flat glass bigger than 21". Sony made 40" HD CRTs, though.

>>3091876
>>3092039
Thanks guys, thats what i needed to know!!
yeah I have no plans on using a Scart connector it was just for an example,

Im going to be making my own 34pin to 4 BNCs cable for an old tv i plan on buying.

>>3092820
what a beauty!
id sell my daughter for one of those

>>3092861
>Lol, why?

Flat CRT is:
Less glare
Easier to lift (weight balanced closer to centre)
Game image is not curved (Zelda dungeon wall are not concave)

>>3092901

>Less glare
Most CRT's have an anti-glare layer that cuts down on that. Get a trinitron and it helps even more, since it's only curved in one direction. Also don't put it facing a window.
>Easier to lift (weight balanced closer to centre)
Flat faced CRTs tend to be heavier due to thicker glass, plus how often are you going to be moving it?
>Game image is not curved (Zelda dungeon wall are not concave)
It's pretty much common knowledge that flat CRT's have more convergence and geometry issues than curved ones. Especially once you get towards the edges.

So i got an old HD CRT. This is what the back looks like, if im not mistaken it accepts RGBHV but over component connectors? Could i hook up a RGB modded N64 to that input? Would i need an Extron type box or custom/modded cables?

>>3093305
>component connectors
RCA connectors.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that you'd need to be inputting at least 480p for that to work.
A Dreamcast would be simple enough to set up in that situation.

>>3093305
>>3093308
might even accept vga over dvi

>>3092703
monitor?

Just found this LG Super Slim at aunts place, any opinions on it? I have couple others crts scattered around family but theyre grundig or some other noname shit. Should I bother with this one?

>>3093426
>LG
Garbage
>PALshit LG
Oh lol

>>3093426
>expresses preference for Lucky Goldstar over "noname" Grundig

HOLY LOL

>>3093442
Idk, I just read somewhere that grundig is german shit. Am I big stupid or only a little?

>>3093426
>100hz
Check
>HD
Check
>Flat CRT
Check
>LG
Check

Yeah nah. It's a boat anchor m8

>>3093371
JVC H1310SU

>>3092597
There's a slight possibility that the aperture grille is fucked or better said deformed.
Might be caused by a strong shock or very strong magnets.

>>3093491
It's only garbage if it's made after 2003, as it was bought by the turkish company BEKO. Everything before (80-90s) is between meh and good.

>>3093491
Grundig is low-mid range, aside from a few high end models. However it also means that almost none of them have image processing. I don't think they ever did flat crt either

Is there a TV that can donate its tube to a PVM 1271Q?
I got one cheap but it was (ab)used as a security camera and the screen has some burn-in.

There's a free 32 inch Sony Trinitron near me on Craigslist and I'm wondering if it would be possible to move by myself. I'm a 6'6" dude but am kinda scrawny and have recently developed a weird rheumatoid condition which makes me kinda weak.

I think these things weight like 160 lbs but I just need to get it into my car really. I thought I would have no problem because I used to lift huge shit all the time but all the posts on CL for these 32" CRTs say you need at least 2 strong people to move 'em.

>>3094479

Can't speak for a 32" specifically, but I can tell you that moving my 36" by myself would be a fucking herculean task and I would concerned about the safety for the TV, and I'm mildly /fit/. It's not just a weight issue but the size and distribution of the weight make the thing hard to handle.

The 36" also took up the entire back of a Jeep commander; make sure you have a vehicle your can fit in, and bring at least one friend.

>>3094479

>>3094490
Thank you, I appreciate that. I think I may have an advantage because I have long arms but the issue is I'm in a new city and my two friends here are tiny.

Might go to a thrift store and see what I can handle lol

>>3094497

If you take this route, bring belts to secure it and a blanket to put over the screen to protect it.

Also have fun lifting it up and into the car.

>>3094497
I was going to use my skateboard to get it from the parking lot to my apartment, my issue it getting out of this person's house where a handtruck wouldn't be that useful. I'll figure something out. Thank you though.

>>3092474 here
off to town, what is the best material/solution for cleaning oxidized electrical connections?

>>3094503
5'7" 140lb and I can carry a 32" for short distances, turn it on it's side so it will fit through doorways and anchor one arm straight at the edge of the screen and use the other to help with the load and balance it.kneel down and rest it on your thigh if your arms are burning or your grip is slipping. atlas 300 gloves are great for gripping and only cost ~$3 at hardware stores, used to work as a glazier and would move heavy sheets of glass using these. lift with your legs bro.

The struggle is real, friends.

>>3094580
Thanks! i'll try it

Any decent scart switches worth a damn?

>>3094817
http://retrorgb.com/scartswitches.html
:>

>>3094820
oh shit how did I miss this. Thanks man

does a vga to 4 bnc (RGBs) cable combine the syncs?

>>3094879
highly doubt it, it probably only has vga H sync connected.

Does anyone have rack ears for a bkm-10r BVM remote? I can't find them separately and I'd rather not go through the hassle of buying another remote just for the ears.

I dont understand these Sony BVMs, these dont look like regular composite/s-video inputs. What are they for?
Right now I just use a CRT that has a couple of composite ports and thats it

>>3095112
example

>>3095112
its called BNC

its just a connector
there are cheap RCA to BNC adapters (and even an s-video to 2 bnc) but component only works if it says 'RGB/component' under the inputs (or YPbPr)
i believe every pvm/bvm supports composite and most s-video but i cant be sure

its safer to just go with one that says rgb/component

>>3095112
>>3095116
That's actually a very old model, and doesn't even have an S-Video input. That's some sort of dedicated DIN connector for a tuner of some sort.

Professional equipment uses BNC connectors rather than RCA("regular" composite inputs) connectors as they're more secure and provide for better and safer grounding. The same signals can be sent along them and they work the same way.

S-Video, on the other hand, is the same as on consumer gear, at least for PVMs. BVMs that support it tend to require it be seperated into 2 separate connectors: One for Luma and its ground, and another for Chroma and its ground. See >>3092614 . Note the "Y C". Those, again, use BNC connectors.

>>3095145
>they're more secure and provide for better and safer grounding.
A bigger reason is that a BNC connector matches impedance better than RCA connectors.

Is there any reason to keep an HDCRT around? I have two Trinitrons and a 36" JVC for my retro stuff, and I use an old HDCRT for my modern stuff, but it cuts off the edges on the PS4, and I'm thinking of gettig a proper big boy flatscreen to replace it. It also gets
blue and yellow tinted spots if it's on one screen too long.

But before I dispose of the HDCRT, is there any reason to keep it around? Some weird setup or obscure console that would display the best on something like that?

>>3095339
Do you like non retro garbage?
No?
Toss it.

>>3095339
i could see a reason... movies
widescreen movies look gorgeous on a HDCRT

>>3095339
HD CRTs still have good motion quality and colors. But if the picture on yours isn't great, it's not worth it to keep around.

>>3092407
_WHY_ would using the AV out ground cause an impedance mismatch?

All of the SNES/SFC components use a common ground.

>>3095112
BNC.

I use BNC -> RCA adapters for consumer equipment. The signals are the same.

>>3094817
Show me a picture.

Also, Take a photo of the label on the tube itself.

Pictured: a cheap and shitty PC monitor, but the label I'm talking about is on it. The PVM will have one. My L5 does.

>>3095664
did you reply to the wrong person?

Wow, this sure is fun.

Whats the cheapest I can get a CRT with component/RGB and/or S-video online? Been looking on ebay for a while and cheapest I can find is like $80.
Find plenty of CRTs on craigslist but they're mostly all composite only

>>3095882
size?
its hard to come up with an answer for if you want a consumer crt because most consumer crts you see online dont have the model number specified

for cheap video monitors
look at JVC, panasonic, and ikegami
but some good pvm/bvm deals do pop up (i got my 14" bvm for 50 bucks before shipping)

>>3095906
Im thinking anywhere between 9 to 20 inches. 19-20 inches prefered

>>3095927
20 min, 13 if you're sitting right in front of it

damn nigga deez monitors be spensiv n shiet

>>3092224
>Not FF1 on NES or at least emulated
Yes you are doing it wrong

Someone may find this helpful/useful/etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh14NLU_ho
Little demonstration of a sync issue with the Ultra Low Latency version of Game Boy Interface; I've only test MMZ with this specific version, but the problem would likely carry over to any other game played with that version, be it GB, GBC, or GBA.
Probably would have been smarter to actually test that theory out before doing said video, but oh well.

>>3095339
HDCRTs are the ideal CRT for modern digital cable. Cable HD isn't 1080p but 1080i, which HDCRTs support natively. Their larger screen size (in general) is ideal for tv watching, and the sound quality of the built-in speakers and subwoofers on higher end models can outperform modern LED tv speakers.

HDCRTs are the ideal way to play Gran Turismo 4 and Jackass: The Game, both of which support 1080i resolutions.

>>3093305
The component connectors accept a YPbPr signal, but the DVI-I port can accept RGBHV, and will also work with HDMI and VGA adapters. An RGBS modded N64 would need to run through an XRGB-Mini to upscale it from 240p to 480p, which you could then connect via HDMI to DVI-I dual-link adapter.

>>3096274
HDCRTs are also good for ps360, as 99% of games are 720p. Even more with ps3 since it doesn't upscale 720p games.

>>3096335
If you'll notice, there are also RCA connectors labeled specifically for RGBHV, so the adapter wouldn't even been necessary, just the proper breakout cable.

>>3096354
Wii U also looks wonderful in 720p/1080i.

>>3091864
working on it.

>>3091864
slowly working on light balance. It's hard to get the screen to look good with the screen not being terribly dark.

my saturn with sync on csync isint syncing with my picky mitsu, gotta ad a 220uf cap?

>>3095748
Yeah, wrong person. sorry about that. I was going to say something about how SCART switches are overpriced shit and it'd be better to get some old AT PC KVM switch with a VGA connector that no one wants anymore.

>>3094237
See >>3095664 .
I replied to the wrong person.

>>3094623
oh man, were you the original anon who bought one of those 5000 bnc connector splitters?

godspeed

>>3096517
It's *impossible to make it look good without the screen looking dark. The best thing is to take two photos on a tripod, one for the CRT and one for the surroundings.

Here's an example of a photo where the CRT is what I'm picturing on a composite monitor. Next I'll post a photo where that was combined with a shot meant to capture the surroundings.

Your white balance is waaayyy better in that pic, by the way.

>>3096821
Can't you stretch it a little more? You can see the borders and his face is supposed to be rounder.

>>3096826
And combined for a pretty picture.

>>3096517
>>3096826
>>3096837
P.S. my composite monitor (the apple one) shows SNES games about the same. Seems like yours is pretty nice (for a composite-only screen, anyway). NES games will look better than SNES ones in my experience.

>>3096842
another composite pic, from my famicom

>>3096852
And just one SNES pic. Sadly I will never be able to afford earthbound at $10/hr.

>>3096827
I could but I'd lose the ability to view overscan, which is important to me.

>>3096517
Wii U VC games are 480i. Use a Wii.

>>3096825
haha yeah, that's only the 8x4(x2) but here's a pic of the 16 input i wired up. it's being all fucky now so i switched to the 8 input switch.
>>3095118

I have an HD CRT, works fine (I don't have much 4-5th gen stuff anymore) and has good sound. Still want some of the sexy ones ITT tho. One day. god damn I have no room. Keep those pics coming

i am so tired of this 'no room' meme

>>3097483
>meme
I'm tired of underage posting on 4chan in general.

>>3097483
Not everyone is rich with huge rooms

>>3097761
>need a huge room to fit a 1 cubic foot monitor

>>3097770
I forgot every CRT is a 1 cubic foot monitor

>>3097775
So you do have room for one

>>3097483
I know rite? Just build a bed out of crts and lay on top. Crt chair. Crt table. Crt shelf. Crt wife.

>>3097778
A small ass monitor? Yes. Another good television? No.

>>3097779

>There's a fix for MD/Gen model 2 jailbars
>it's dead simple
YES_YES.avi

>>3097789
the anon said 'sexy ones'
i assumed he meant bvm or pvms which are indeed small

>>3097796
you cut the color subcarrier trace on the PCB and lose RF and composite (and, if modded, s-video).

>>3097882
>a 20l5 is a cubic foot

A huge con of CRTs are their small screen size. That right there is a big reason not to bother with one.


People saying they have no room for them I don't get though. Unless you're talking about a 36 or 40" monster no. If you don't have room for one you don't have room for physical media.

>>3097885
alyernaely you can lift the pin from the VDP (it's a tiny surface mount pin, so not too much) and run a wire to the CXA1145 above the board and far away from the blue trace that is picking up the 'jailbars' caused by the subcarrier.

>>3097885
>>3097903
>model 2

>>3097894
>small screen size
>was considered normal until 10-15 years ago
>first world problems

>>3097906
Probably still thr VDP, but I'm sorry, I don't use a dumb Model 2. I sacrifice compactness for quality (Model 2 Sega CD hooked to a Model 1 is a monster).

>>3097907
>>was considered normal until 25 years ago
Fixed.
And it is a first world problem. Something EUpoor don't realize is Sony and the other companies don't release any high end model TVs under 50" in America. Pretty funny.

>>3097894
Just sit closer to the screen like this

>>3097915
>not have 5 MDs
>2 m1, 2 m2, 1 testbed m1
>not having megaamp on m2s

>>3094557
deoxit.

>>3097925
>not having the uglier mega drive/genesis with more numerous audio problems

>Not doing unnecessary mods when they can be avoided by getting the better system that doesn't even cost more

>Not getting a free VA6 Model 1 that doesn't need a god damn megaamp

Keep in mind that this comes from the 'militant console modder'.

I'm currently putting a Mega Amp in a VA7 genesis that came with my Sega CD so I can sell it off. It needs a ton of different parts I've had to order and it's harder to solder to because the VA7 and model 2 are mostly surface mounted.

So no matter how hard I try, I can't get rid of the wavy edges on my CRT. It's a 24 inch consumer widescreen, curved front not flatscreen, probably about 10-12 years old.

The service menu has "parabola" and "corner" adjustments, and it seems like the idea is to balance the two out until you get a straight line, but it seems to be pretty much impossible to get it straight and there's a pretty noticeable either pinch in the middle.

Also, the picture seems to waver and bulge slightly depending on the brightness of the picture, like, a dark image has less shape distortion than a bright one.

How likely am I to find physical adjustments inside the TV, and what should I look for?

>>3097965
any kind of pots (plastic knobs)
or screws on the PCB

i doubt youll have any luck tho =/

>>3097965
It's still not possible to get it perfectly straight, just better looking than a flatscreen.

Set it up so the geometry looks about right from the angle you view it at while you use it. "close enough" is basically everything on these tube sets. Convergence is another thing that you have to accept when it's "close enough."

>>3097917
Okay, but 10 years ago my family's main TV was a 20 inch Apex flat CRT. Mainly to fit my older media cabinet setup.

>>3096696
Does your monitor have one of those switches to toggle 75 ohm termination? That's what I need to do to make my Genesis csync work.

Model 1 Saturn on a PVM - 1344Q via RGB.

>>3098162
Put a 75 ohm bnc terminators on the rgbs outputs. You can get pass through if yours doesn't have an output.

>>3098162
Made no difference for me

>>3097894
>20 inch on a desk setup is small
lmao

I got a Panasonic CT-1030m being recycled at work but the picture kind of like bows towards the bottom right of the screen, and I can't find an adjuster for it, any ideas? It's not awful, and the colors and rest of the display look awesome for composite.

Does anyone have any opinions on the Sony PVM 14N1U? I've got one waiting for me, but I need to test it out first (I got boned by lugging home the above mentioned panasonic without testing it...)

>>3099091
That's pretty small for a 4:3 screen. Maybe it's still standard in your country?

>>3100296
literally where do you find a bigger 4:3 anything?
theres poor'ish quality consumer 4:3 CRT TVs bigger than 20' but aside from that

you got what? 22" 4:3 pc crt monitor? not much bigger
and some ancient 4:3 plasma TVs are 40-50 inches but those are extremely rare

i havent seen a LCD 4:3 screen bigger than 20"

>>3100319
Compared to a 16:9 screen yes it's tiny.

>>3100352
what?
16:9 is a ratio

>>3100403
You don't say.

>>3100457
so you are comparing a 20" 16:9 to a 20" 4:3 and saying the 4:3 one is tiny?

i dont get it

>>3100518
No dumbass.

24" is basically the smallest you can get a good quality monitor these days. That's bigger than a 20" 4:3 monitor if you displayed a 4:3 image.
For TV's it's a much bigger difference. 50" is like over a 40" 4:3 CRT.

>>3100525
>24" is basically the smallest you can get a good quality monitor
24?
no one with an opinion on monitors uses 1080p at 24"
and yes the majority use 1080p

pic related
the 24 offers no benefit over a 20 4:3 for retro purposes

>>3100538
20" CRTs have a 19" screen. Sorry kid. You should probably stop.

>>3100538
Also kid I glanced over this lovely bit of retardation.
>no one with an opinion on monitors uses 1080p at 24"
The best monitors for this application are in that category. Unless you want a 27" 1080p monitor.

>>3100541
so .37 of an inch of vertical screen estate vs huge black bars on the sides?

hmmmm

the argument was 20 inch crt is tiny compared to a 24 inch widescreen lcd

when comparing 2 objects i typically dont consider the .37 of an inch smaller one to be tiny

ok so .37 of an inch so what now? what is your point after that?
you do realize framememers are more expensive than 20 inch pvms right?

>>3100552
DPI too low for users that care anything about sharpness

>>3100552
>>3100541
>>3100525
>>3100457
your memes and buzzwords almost make you seem like you came from a different board? hmm

>>3100565
And factor in you have 2-3" of bezel for the CRT. Not so much with modern monitors.
>>3100576
You're arguing about sharpness when talking about CRTs?

Those 1080p monitors are the only ones with a strobe and gsync. 1440p too I guess but it's an inbetween resolution.


>>3100590
>meme buzzwords
And you're implying I'm from /v/?

So, weird question based on a thought that entered my head. I have a SCART->YUV converter I use with my Sega Genesis. If I bought a VGA/SCART cable could I use a laptop to output to the television through the converter since the laptop is outputting RGB? Or would this not work because technical reasons?

>>3100608
>And factor in you have 2-3" of bezel for the CRT

its common knowledge
CRTs are measured from edge to edge including bezel to get lets say 20" well theres a solid inch of bezel so it comes out around 19" view-able (and yes manufacturers tell this in the specifications)
the viewable screen for a pvm 20 inch is around 19 once you factor in the bezel

LCD monitors on the other hand are measured diagonally from the edges of the screen not including bezel
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/monitor2.htm
here since you wont believe me

>CRTs arent sharp
its obvious from your other posts you have no experience with them

>le you need gsync meme
go the fuck back to /v/ or possibly /g/ since they hate CRT as well

>>3100619
Only if the transcoder can handle RGB HV. It probably can only handle RGB S.
VGA to component transcoder are expensive and rare for a quality one.
>>3100632
>its obvious from your other posts you have no experience with them
>le
We're done here child. Come back when you're at least 18. A better solution would be to just not come back. Just throwing it out there.

>gsync
Freesync or bust

>>3100645
Freesync has lost a lot of momentum with the monitor manufactures. Gsync gives a strobe option too so is a plus. Freesync only has that if the manufacturer adds their own.
Not sure how well it handles windows either.

>>3100638
i guess you dont know how greentext works?

convenient you didnt refute anything i actually said (oh and that your last few posts have just been ad hominems)

if CRTs are so tiny and inferior then why do you bother coming here?
honestly seems like your objective is to shitpost

>>3100638
Yeah, its a cheap one that just does what its supposed to and nothing more. Thanks for the info.

>>3100652
>ad hominems
If you're going to type like a 13 year old girl and expect a serious conversation I don't know what to tell you.

Refute what exactly?

I like CRTs. I don't go trying to say they have zero downside.
>>3100658
Probably wont work.

A transcoder to handle RGB S and RGB HV is actually in a bit of demand from the community. Beharbros has plans to make one I believe. But wont be for a while so not much help for you atm. Just bringing it up.

>>3100673
>refute what?

for example
maybe respond saying
-if you truly think .37 of an inch is enough to make a difference between large and tiny
-offer some sort of proof as to why you think CRTs arent sharp compared to LCD? LCD DPI doesnt apply to CRT sharpness
-explain why you think gsync is needed? or show the benefits of gsync with a framememer or emulation?

and yes i realize im responding to shitpost bait but your ad hominems arent as i guess effective as you think they are?

if youre not shitposting it really seems like you dont understand how debates work

im also curious as to why you or other anons think your advice is to be trusted? coming from someone who didnt know how monitors are measured?

>zero downsides
i see .37 of an inch a downside i guess

>>3100697
>-if you truly think .37 of an inch is enough to make a difference between large and tiny
Put a CRT next to a LCD like that. It's smaller.

>-offer some sort of proof as to why you think CRTs arent sharp compared to LCD? LCD DPI doesnt apply to CRT sharpness
See ANY competent test. This is basic knowledge man.
>-explain why you think gsync is needed? or show the benefits of gsync with a framememer or emulation?
Umm I didn't say it was needed. I said a strobe and gsync.
If you want to use a monitor for consoles for some weird reason. I believe Benq is the only option for that. The only manufacturer putting out strobes to work with console games. No idea on compatibility or issues. Again that is a weird application to me and not one I generally care much about knowing off the top of my head.

>rest of the post in underage rambling.

Hey man you go ahead thinking your 20" PVM or w/e is massive. I think you're a dumbass but you go ahead live in that special little world of yours.

Hey /crt/ - I have a Sony 1344Q, and I've always wondered - what's the "VTR" port? I tried googling but I couldn't get a definitive answer.

>>3100718
>special little world
except youre the one rejecting facts
the view-able size of a 20" pvm is around 19"
this is fact can you accept that in your special little world?

http://www.displaywars.com/19-inch-4x3-vs-24-inch-16x9
guess what? you are right!
its .37 of an inch smaller! cowabunga dude!
i never claimed 20 inches is massive
you claim its tiny when the retro viewing size is .37 of an inch smaller

>strobe and gsync
why did you bring it up then?
yes thats correct in the real world you cant just beam thoughts at me
you have to actually explain your reasoning

i find it so hilarious the one who resorts to ad hominems first is also the first one to claim >underage rambling

>>3100778
Really proud of that CRT huh?

Maybe when you get older you wont care so much about nerd cred.

And before you shout some projection shit at me again. Remember you're the one typing "le" shit not me.

>>3098823
I wasn't passing through, I was running TTL level csync to my monitor without any resistor termination.

>>3100785
i dont have a 19"

i have a 13" so whats your point?

i find it amusing that even when presented with facts some refuse to accept

sometimes i wonder if its the same anon always talking about 'nerd cred'
theres usually someone with an unpopular opinion in a thread claiming 'nerd cred' who eventually is ignored (i think ive told the anon to use a trip so i could filter him was that you? kek)

>what is satire
what exactly am i supposed to remember?

>>3100818
Yep the like over 200 posts with the term "nerd cred" in the archive are clearly all me. Damn you got me. You did it.

>>3100649
I still have no clue what the fuck strobe is supposed to accomplish, and am happy with my 16:10 1920x1200 24" LCD (though if that 1920x1920 eizo monitor didn't cost so much I'd have that). But this is a CRT thread. So CRTs GUYS.

Here. It's a cute picture of my dog asking for me to scratchbher chin. Maybe it can help you to settle down.

>>3100763
A VTR is a "Video Tape Recorder" - the giant machines for videotapes used in a professional context. The only kind I know much about are the old Ampex Quadruplex 2 inch tapes from the 60s and 70s. There were more kinds, by the late 70s and early 80s Sony Betacam had become the standard. It was far smaller. VTR's were the recording machines. Not sure what the VTR connector on these is for, but I assume it's for viewing the picture from the machine for calibration purposes. These things were HIGHLY complex and finnicky.

Can someone tell me why a CRT tv will go yellowish when theres a lot of white on the screen?

/vr/ troopers,
Do any of you have a PC connected to your CRT? I was thinking about repurposing some parts left over from an upgraded HTPC build to make a little MAME box or something.
My mobo only has HDMI or mini DisplayPort output. If I picked up an active mDP to VGA converter like pic related and a VGA to RGB/component cable, would that work?

Do any of you guys like other retro tech too, like VHS players, hi-fi stereos and other equipment?

>>3094479
This guy >>3100943 here, mines 32 inches and its 160 lbs and I can pick it up by myself if you hold the glass side against your chest and wrap your arms around it, there's some "handles" on the bottom. It really is heavy though, and if its on the ground its nearly impossible to get up. I'd say bring a dolly, I had to have one to get up the stairs, or a friend because they are pretty ridiculous.

>>3100932
>VGA to RGB/component cable
VGA is RGB + HV for sync. If your monitor accepts HV for sync it'll work. If your monitor only accepts composite sync then you need a circuit to combine the sync signal. This could be as easy as a resistor and a diode or a little bit more complex depending on whether your sync pulses are positive or negative.
I assume you mean YPbPr component. You need to convert your RGB+HV signals to YPbPr using an encoder. There are some commercial devices that do this. Look up how people consolize arcade games and superguns. Otherwise there are circuits around bases on encoder chips found on DVD players and op-amps.

>>3100943

>tfw I threw away two of those trinitrons at work

I dunno, i feel like i did a bad thing now.

>>3100943
I like old, analog/solid-state audio receivers/amplifiers, mostly because they're cheap, stylish and reliable. I use a set with my PVM.

What's this about VHS players, though? That's some pretty hipster shit. The argument can at least be made about old stereo equipment that it performs on the same level as digital stuff, or close enough to it. "VHS players" or "VCRs", as us oldfags call them, are inferior shit and I'm glad we've moved beyond them.

>>3100990
Yeah VHS is shit quality, but its kinda fun to go thrift stores and find them for like 50 cents and watch on my trinitron, I still have my SLV998HF and the box, as well as a buncha tapes so its just kinda nice to watch them every now and then. They're definitely worse than DVD or HD shit though, it's only nostalgia.

>>3101001
>>3100990

>tfw starting to get into the VHS collection scene

I'm trash

>>3101007
>VHS collection scene
This is a thing? Holy hell. The only VHS tapes I've saved are a scant few from my childhood, for sentimental reasons, but I still transferred them to DVD so they can't degrade anymore.

>>3101014
I think that's the draw of it, the fact that these once-accepted formats are going to corrupt and die eventually. If you're not a quality whore, the sentimentality of it is nice.

I can't believe I'm legitimately considering buying a VCR...

>>3101007
I think finding them is more fun than watching to be honest. Some places like Salvation Army have an entire wall of tapes and some are even sealed, and there's always dumb shit like this.

>>3100943
I do, mostly vhs for kid stuff but I have a bunch of action movies from the 80s-90s that I saved. 5.1 downstairs with 2 dual 12" floor stacks, sub and sattelites, my crt station in the loft running 2ch as zone 2 on the same a/v reciever wit bookshelf speakers. Just ordered a dvdo iscan+ for games as 240p through the avr sucks. Currently shopping for a svhs player.

I like the room you got there. KV trinitron and Technics floor stacks?

>>3101019
looks like Norm finally snapped at Vera.

>>3101021
Yeah, the receiver is Technics too. I really want one of those Sony SVHS players with the flip down covers, but they're way too much, so I'm hoping to just come across one someday.

>>3101019
>>3101014

Yeah, it's a thing.
Half of it is people collecting typical stuff, the other half is obscure horror/sci-fi/fantasy that was released as a direct-to-VHS thing, and exists nowhere else. It's kind of interesting.

Plus you get all of the oddball tapes at goodwills and thrift stores. I found a circa ~2001 action-cam type recording from one of those themepark slingshot rides of some random dude, was cool.

I've made a habit of collecting copies of Twister on VHS. I'm up to about 50 now.

I've got a pair of CRTs which are treasured because I saw how classics looked on my HDTV. I was shocked by the absolutely disgusting quality of my PS2 games.

That said, one of my sets is a 27" Phillips, had to run some repairs on it myself because it had stopped working ages ago, and now she looks just nice. However, because of the size I CANNOT find a viable stand for it that isn't $300+ and/or HUGE. Looking for a corner stand, something simple would work, a few shelves would be nice, but something to keep my set off the floor.

I had originally wanted an Impex corner stand from BB, but they are gone. Anyone know where I can find something that is either really inexpensive, or how to build one myself if possible?

>>3101049
I just checked on craigslist for "tv stand", "entertainment center" usually brought up larger stuff. You gotta filter through all the glass stands though, check thrift stores too. You might have to have the stand a bit away from the wall if they're newer because of how deep a CRT goes too.

>>3101030
Oh yeah I know the player. I share your want for one.
>>3101001
>>3100990
Much like old games a little tweaking of the video signal goes a long ways.
>>3100161 is on a 42" lcd and doesn't look horrendous.

>>3101054
I'll keep an eye out for thrift stores, maybe Goodwill? Thanks!

One of these days I'll probably try building one with custom shelving for my older consoles, but just having it elevated would be great.

>>3100912
It won't.

>>3101014
VHS collection is a thing. Ever heard of myspleen?

It's a place where people use a capture card and copy their old VHS tapes of TV shows/events/whatever and create a torrent of it. Complete with ads and stuff. Great throwback.

>>3100943
I got into record collecting as a teen, got tons of vintage hi-fi equipment cheap from thrift stores, yard sales, ect. My current turntable is a Sony PSLX-250, also have a great Technics SLBD-27 and a really high end Kenwood KD-3070 in need of a new anti-skating weight. Marantz, Yamaha, and Pioneer amps.

I collected 8-tracks and cassette tapes too, probably have 200 8-tracks and maybe a 1000 cassettes. Had a SounDesign all-in-one stereo with an internal amp, listened to hundreds of albums on that thing, so convenient.

VHS tapes too, have a couple hundred. Got a few rarer animated movies like Rock & Rule, Fire and Ice, Titan AE. No SVHS player yet, still using a pretty decent Sony VCR, the ejector is strong enough to rocket a tape out a good foot away if I'm not ready to catch it.

This was my stack around age 20.

>>3101083
A couple milk crates and a tablecloth can do that for you in the meantime.

>>3101140
I repaired that stuff as a teen. Still want one of those marantz amps as a result.

>>3101140
Old bedroom at mom's house was really cramped, but stretching back on the chaise lounge and listening to music was a great distraction from the depression of being a neet. Glad that shits over. Guess I was listening to USA when this pic was taken.

Any Saturn games people would like some photos of?

Do PS1 RGB cables work with the PS2?
PS1 cables have 220 uF capacitors in series with the RGB lines since the PS1 lacks this coupling capacitors. However, the PS2 already has the coupling capacitors in the board as we see in the pic. Using another set of capacitors in the cable would give halve the capacitance.

>>3101459
In this pic we see that the PS1 does not have coupling capacitors in the line from the the encoder to the connector and thus it has to be added to the cable.

>>3101459
PS1 RGB cable work even for PS3

>>3101389
digital pinball

>>3101496
Standard, Gladiators, or Necronomicon?

>>3101549
Either is fine good sir.

>>3101389
are you doing anything special to get your saturn to display on your mitsu?

>>3101636
Aside from using a sync stripper, nothing. Haven't tried it with this shitty SCART cable I bought yet, but even just running it from the AV connector via a safety pin and bit of ribbon cable managed to get it to the stripper just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dVF161LuIs

>>3101557
Expect them some time tonight in all likelihood.

>>3101654
Weird, Going to throw in a sync stripper in my breakout cable but the saturn cable is wired for csync anyway (pin 1)

My other csync cables (jaguar,genesis,snes) work fine without a stripper

Any 20L5 or multisync monitor owners ever try out 1080i? I'm getting Gran Turismo 4 soon just to have a PS2 game that can play at 1080i. Will this blow up my monitor?

>>3102026
Why would it?

The 20L5 is rated to accept that standard.

>>3100296
>small for a 4:3 screen
As opposed to what 16:9? You do realize a 20" 4:3 is much bigger than a 20" 16:9 right?

Got my pvm set up for the first time and when I turn it on it's outputting at 480i apparently. It's a Super Nintendo so it should obviously be running at 240p right ? I'm not even sure how to tell if it's running at 480i or 240p or how to change it.
Also my actual tv image looks nothing like what it does in this picture my phone's camera is absolute trash

>>3102271
240p is 480i with repeated fields and non-standard vertical sync pulses.

>>3102148
dont even try

theres something wrong with him

>>3102271
looks like 240 to me

>>3102271
If the console is outputting 240p the pvm is displaying it.

turn the contrast up. and possibly the brightness down. If you have a dvd with the thx optimizer on it you can use it for a quick and dirty setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKblgZupOc

>>3102325
I'm not even into pc and I watched the whole thing. great vid.

>>3102271
240p is an unofficial term.
It's a hack of 480i so it will be id'ed as such.

haven't completely watched and skipped through most of it but can already say its the best extron crosspoint setup explanation video on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eFVnrEpJnk

>>3102026
1080i looks fine on a 20L5 and it is made to support 1080i.
However, 720p looks better. No, seriously. Run it at 720p instead if you have the option.

>>3102271
It uses the 480i 'mode' when displaying 240p due to the hsync rate being almost exactly the same. 240p has a periodic hsync, where 480i has it staggered.

>>3103009
gt4 is a ps2 game maybe tho only one with 1080i widescreen. 480i and 1080i are the only display modes iirc

>>3102026
>>3103026
I know it's not retro but I can't find anybody in /v/ who will answer this.

Are there any ps2 games that have not been re-released or are better than the re-release. I'm looking to expand my ps2 library but keep being told that that the remastered versions that PS3 and 4 offer are overall better than the originals on the Ps2. Please someone give me a reason to pursue my ps2 gaming dreams!

I have a PVM20M4U and I'm looking at a supergun that has RGB out from an 8pin mini din

What do I need to make this work?

>>3103026
Jackass: The Game is the only other PS2 game that can display in 1080i, it's shit though, has none of the humor of the show or movies. The high res is the only noteworthy thing about it.

>>3103265
There are thousands of PS2 games that haven't been rereleased. If you want some gems, Way of the Samurai 1 & 2, Tsugunai: Atonement, Tokobot Plus, Star Ocean, Shadow of Rome, Shadow of Destiny, Red Dead Revolver, Radiata Stories, Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy, the Onimusha Trilogy, Gun, Drakan: The Ancients' Gates.

>>3103284
Assuming the RGB cable that comes with your supergun uses standard RCA connectors, the only thing you'd need would be 4 RCA to BNC adapters to plug into the M4U's RGB and Sync ports.

>>3103284
>>3103432
It'd be wise to check the voltage levels at the RGB output of the arcade board. Not all boards output the standard voltages.

>>3103449
On the topic of arcade board voltages, someone one in neo-geo's CRT thread brought up a decent though;

Using an Extron RGB Interface as a level/voltage adjuster for connecting them up to consumer CRTs/Professional sets; I personally don't know much about actual arcade hardware, so I'm not sure how feasible that would be, but it's certainly a neat thought.

>>3103425
Wow I knew I could count on this board to actually be helpful with a list like this. Searching through the hundreds of ps2 games is difficult enough and then looking up if there are remastered versions is even more troublesome.

I've already begun collecting the onimusha' sand have some other ps2 games in my collection. I'll definitely give the ones you suggested a look.

If anyone else has fond memories of PS2 exclusives please add.

>>3103425
Sorry to spam but this is incredible. I'm going to buy 90% of the games you listed. They all sound incredibly interesting and fun

Quick pic before 4:00 AM bedtime. Such a responsible adult I am.

I may have a chance of picking up a Bang Olufsen LX5500 for free today. Thing is I already have a kinda decent CRT of the same size at home and I read that some B&O tvs can have week RGB images. Anyone here ever used them?

>>3103723
You could pawn it off on another nerd for games if it's shit. Traded a crt for yoshi island, starfox and something else.

>>3103476
SkyGunner
https://youtu.be/v6S9JtXQ6zg

>>3103476
DDR EXTREME!

321stars is Mario themed.

If you're gaming tastes shy away from the Asian girl side. Ace combat Belkan war.

I'm sure there's lists somewhere.

>>3103476
Ace Combat 4, 5, and 0 are a must have for any PS2 collection.

Good to see another PS2 collector. Seems like no one cares about collecting that generation yet so now is the time to get in. I just wish more titles had progressive scan support.

>>3103796
You'd be surprised, lists are few and far between. And most of them are dated to include games that are now remastered. >>3103986
I'm upset with myself for selling shattered skies and some armored core games years ago. I think the reason people aren't much interested in collecting ps2 games is because they think the remastered collections cover the best ps2 games that they know of or remember.

Totally didn't want to bring this up out of nowhere but since the one anon asked I figured it'd be appropriate.

sup /Closet ReTards/

I've got the chance to buy a Sony PVM 2730QM, but I'm wondering if it'll be any sort of upgrade to the PVM 20M2U I currently have.

It looks like its an older model of PVM and it doesn't have an s-video port either which is how I get my N64 looking not total shit.

Is there any way to hook up my computer to my CRT TV? I wanna emulate PS1/N64 games because my Wii can't. The CRT has component and S-video, but my PC only has VGA, DVI, and HDMI.

>>3103723
I'm not european so I've not used one, but their reputation precedes them. I'd definitely go for it.

>>3103723
Also, as a european TV it is probable that it accepts RGB. If it's an american model (did they make them for america?) then it'll be s-video and maybe YPbPr. It'll have a VERY high quality picture even with s-video. I bet NES composite looks great too.

>>3104224
you have a radeon hd xxxx series graphics card?

you need specific graphics cards for 240p

>>3104245
No, can I buy one and use it with my current Nvidia GPU? I'd only use it for emulating on the CRT. Also how would I hook it up?

>>3090572
Did CRTs help to cover up the Genesis' tiny color palette any?

>>3104250
I have never actually noticed a tiny color palette on the Genesis. but a shitty CRT with composite video would somewhat. RGB? No.

>>3104250
small palette != bad use of palette
vertical dithering is just a bad trick that only works on the shittiest of signals.

Pretty good looking despite dithering.

>>3104420
>thinks dithering looks bad
?? to peach his pwn i guess

While we're arguing about palettes, this video is worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfh0ytz8S0k

>>3104428
No, I mean exactly the opposite.
I like dithering.

>>3104431
As someone who has programmed for the NES and C64 I can tell without watching this will be about tiles. This adds just about nothing to the conversation of how many colors can be used per tile. But I will drop a pic that uses tiles with different palettes.

>>3104428
I said vertical dithering.
ordered dithering is fine, when done well.
Ecco games have dithering absolutelly everywhere, they're still stuningly beautiful.

>>3104247
you would most likely need some extron box to convert rgbhv (from the vga signal) to rgsb (the component input)

keep in mind this isnt something common theres no like universal guide to getting a perfect 240p signal
and theres always a chance it wont work correctly

an extron emotia is the simplest sure fire way but they arent exactly common
http://retrorgb.com/emotia.html
but im not positive if the extron emotia can output RGSB

ive attempted this with an extron rgb and vsc
and it never worked correctly for me so i dont advise that kind of setup

if its a consumer set you may be better off finding an ancient graphics card with an s-video port

i would recommend using an old pc crt monitor with a slg3000 for emulation but thats just me

if you want serious help
make a thread on http://shmups.system11.org/

>>3104250
No, the NTSC signal is what did that. That kind of dithering would still be visible on RGB output.

>>3104589
>No, the NTSC signal is what did that.
This 3rd world kid probably believes this.

>>3104591
The blending only occurs with composite video, it doesn't happen with S-video or RGB

>>3104606
What you're talking about has nothing to do with NTSC, fyi.

>>3094623
hey anon, i've got some of those extron switches myself. Considering the costs of the pre-built scart-bnc-cables with sync stripper .. have you built them yourselves? Or are yours from rgc uk? Or is there anyone building these for a less dramatic price?

>>3100932
also you might not be able to output a resolution your CRT accepts (depends on model and age) so you'll also have to get a converter like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-GBS-8100-VGA-to-CGA-CVBS-S-VIDEO-HD-Arcade-Game-Video-Converter-Board-/131511340946?hash=item1e9eafcf92:g:NUYAAOSwstxVVBAK

But be warned: this converts to 480i = interlaced = flickers like shite. You do want a solution that outputs 240p. You might be alucky and find an extron emoti but those are really rare these days. You might also get an Ultracade UVC which is equally rare. With this one you also need a resistor array to get the output to consumer gear levels, it's intended for arcade monitors. You might as well just read this page http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

>>3104680
A couple from eBay (console rgb SCART cables) but made the breakouts and some console cables myself. I usually overbuy connectors when I need them and ended up with a bunch of female SCARTs. I had planned to sell breakout cables but then the switch happened and the rest is history.

Should I just give up on (large) broadcast monitors /vr/? NOBODY has any remotely close to where I live and I already have a good trinitron and a much higher end CRT monitor. I was going to get a broadcast monitor for shmups ; should I just use my monitor instead? I've only been using my trinitron for console games so far.

Pic related.

>>3105023
I always like seeing your setup, specifically the 8inch. When you say large do you mean 20inch or even beyond that? It's all just a waiting game, what isn't around today may be there tomorrow.

>>3103986
>I just wish more titles had progressive scan support.

GSM selector will let you run most games in 480p, some of them even run at 1080i.

>>3104680
Ex satellite tech here
I can build true 75 ohm console to individual coax locking 1 piece bnc + stereo audio . would there be any interest at around the same price as a quality scart cable anyone?

Should I build one and send it to a youtube channel for testing first? How do I do this as a hobby business?

>>3105068
wat

>>3105051
Right; on a second note, does anyone know how to properly calibrate black levels and colors on a PC monitor? It's driving me insane. I have about a BILLION built in options to calibrate this thing but I just simply don't know how to use them at all. I know for a fact that I want the brightness level very low, however things become VERY dark in games without raping the contrast to 100%, and if I bump up the brightness text just becomes a blurry mess.

>>3105082
I have the tools to properly strip rg59-6 coax and compress bnc connectors onto the cable for a 360* contact and have years of soldering experience.

unfortunately I only have Y/C and YPbPr at home. THinking about ordering a rgb field monitor to test some things. I will use Belden patch panel cable and hd brilliance connectors, the same thing used in broadcast.

http://belden.com/techdatas/metric/1505F.pdf
http://www.belden.com/docs/upload/PB324_BNC_High-definition_Connectors.pdf

If I can find a supplier that will sell smaller quantities I can use colored coax for each connection (RGBs) if not it would have colored heat shrink on the end of each cable.

no 75 ohm resistors to fake the correct resistance, no power wires running along side your video signal, no audio hum from impedance mismatches or ground loops, just broadcast quality a/v interconnects.

>>3105194
download the user manual brah.

>>3104680
I'd use a drill and add BNC jacks to my consoles, or use cheap and widely available RCA -> BNC adapters, and skip SCART altogether.

>>3105221
If I didn't already use them I would be. Not too hard to crimp a coax cable, though.

>>3105194
Sure. Take NTSC color bars, display them with a 0 IRE black level after calibrating to 7.5 IRE (moat pro monitors and some consimer TVs do this), then eyeball the difference with your PC monitor.

Or get a colorimeter.

>>3105023

That monitor is excellent for emulation because it can make itself really bright, which is good if you want to make it display 240p

With a big wtf to >>3104508 for his post
>you would most likely need some extron box to convert rgbhv (from the vga signal) to rgsb (the component input)

RGSB is unlikely to work given it's not "component" input. Component video technically refers to any video signal being split onto more one line (i.e. being broken into component parts) but is used in the general sense to mean YUV/YPbPr/YCbCr.

RGSB is sync-on-green, which is not at all common on consumer sets. I actually have no idea if you can get it at all, though there were possibly a few high-end Sonys that handled it, I guess.

Without acquiring a set that takes RGB, his best bet is probably to get a Radeon HD 5000 or 6000 series card for cheap, use crt_emudriver and look into an RGB to component converter, which another anon can surely give more details on.

>>3105250
At 6500k?

>>3105267
Could you recommend some good Emulators for PC? I usually use a Wii; I attempted to use retroarch but it didn't seem to output 240p, and a lot of other BS shader stuff going on.

>>3105221
And TBQH I'm not sure there's a market here. Don't get me wrong, I want there to be, and I hope there is. AFAIC the bubble should keep growing. I'd love it if such things were available, but most of us who care that much end up building cables for ourselves. You could go round the traps, neo-geo, shmups, etc, but you're competing with retrogamingcables, if I remember the name correctly. And the retro sites are full of guys who already know how to make their own high-end stuff, so saying things like:
>no 75 ohm resistors to fake the correct resistance
is going to get you laughed off the board. Just saying.

>>3104386
Hm, really? SNES had 32,768 colors vs 512 for the Genesis and it could only display 64 at a time vs 256 for the SNES (512 if you count transparencies). That's why you often have all that dithering and reduced backgrounds in Genesis games.

>>3105350
>SNES (512 if you count transparencies).

Megadrive can do 900+ if you count shadow/highlight and raster fx.

>>3105360
Got a source for that?

Weird, because the colors on the Genesis were always such crap (when doing non-simplistic/cartoony graphics).

Or are you talking about flickering? Because if you are, then even the 2600 was able to produce 1000's of "colors".

I have Snes.

and 65 Oled that doeant support this low as shit resolution or 15khz h sync

how do I connect the two so I can play SNES with it?

>>3105312
6500k is what I use where possible. If your TV has a color temperature setting, go for 6500k/warm/whatever. If you only have 9300k or no settings available then calibrate them both in 9300k and then change the PC monitor to 6500k afterwards. I can't stand 9300k myself.

>>3105446
You ask this in the CRT thread, so your answer is simple: get a CRT. Forget about the OLED TV, it's never going to look like a CRT. If you want to throw away your money and not get a CRT, you want an overpriced scaler.

I have not used one but the names that I seem to remember are XRGB and frameister. There are probably more I forgot. But I recommend a CRT because it's better. It just is. I'm not going to argue the point because this is my opinion.

>>3105446
xrgb mini for a plug and play fix

maybe check out the OSSC

>>3105659
>opinions cant be argued
top kek and back to tumblr
when creating an opinion i guess you dont acknowledge others viewpoints
thats pretty much legit autism

I use 9300k on my CRT monitor, brightness at 17 and contrast at 100. Don't forget to use Color Return after your tube warms-up.

>>3105941
I wasn't saying opinions couldn't be argued, only that my mind was made up and no LCD will ever be good enough for old games for me.

>>3105983
>Color Return
what is that? Sounds like a marketing drone came up with a stupid name for an actual thing that CRT's do.

Anyway, if you're calibrating, wait at least 20 minutes before you start to fuck with controls. Especially on older sets (my apple monitor from the late 80s for instance), the brightness of colors continues to change slower than you can really track it for around 30 minutes after startup. I just let a game title screen sequence run while I wait (usually chrono trigger or something else that can act as a screensaver).

>>3105995
http://www.electronicspoint.com/threads/color-return-feature-on-sony-dell-trinitron-monitors.72839/

Only on Trinis from the look of it

>>3106008
As I have a trinitron PC monitor and a PVM-20L5 and neither of these have "color return", it still sounds like marketing bullshit to me.

>>3105651
Warm is to yellow on mine, natural seems to be the best. Cool->natural->warm are the options. Cool is better in some games, natural for othets, warm is only good for movies in a darkened room.

>>3106024
Probably want natural, in that case. BUT I'd be sure to compare to a monitor that labels 6500k for what it is before I would set it that way myself.

>>3105446
A line doubler with s-video is the cheapest decent option, a fm with a jp21 cable is the best.

>>3106026
* a CRT with RGB inputs is the best.

>>3106032
Yes it is.

I should've mentioned plasma/lcd/led in my reply to a post about them to curb the nit-picking.

>>3106024
>>3106025
My PC LCD monitor lets me set 6500k - I think most do. You could compare to that, I suppose.

>>3106038
Sorry I should've mentioned I'm using a 42" lcd tv as a monitor. Natural seems comparable to 6500k on my old monitor.

>>3106023
>20L5
Ah, I was wondering why you seemed like an asshole

>>3106058
>Wondered why you seemed like such an asshole.

Wow, harsh.

I think of marketers like Rick thinks of Bureaucrats. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5A5Mb__fiA

Which RGB cable is recommended for the original xbox?

>>3106061
Ah, Rick and Morty is a good show, maybe you're not so bad after all

Sorry about the lcd, but getting a good CRT screen isn't easy in my area (uk, middle of nowhere, insane shipping costs/pickup only), so I'm making do until something comes up.
Are there any recommended SCART switchboxes? Video from my saturn is a bit of a mess with ringing artefacts when using one, but is damn sharp without.
Top is using a box, looks way worse in person, bottom is without.

>>3106708
the fuck, I didn't put anything in the name field

>>3106708
>>3106709
Look at the date...

Also why even use a switchbox?

>>3106713
ah, right.

My TV only has one scart input and I'm juggling a few different consoles, it's just more convenient that reaching over the back and fumbling around, the input is in an awkward position.

>>3106716
I was thinking you meant a scaler. Could use a male to female cable so you have to go around the tv.

>>3106756
That's dooable but not ideal, I'll go for one if nobody has any recommendations.
My current setup would be great if it didn't look horrid on screen.

>>3102845
i really like Rob, he's such a huge CRT nerd, perfect for this thread

>>3090840
I'm 19, becoming a /vr/ CRT autist saved me from black people. Now I just sit in my parents basement and play SNES and watch anime

What PVM is this?

https://youtu.be/mGvdVXxFkY4

Another Lunar: The Silver Star Sega CD screenshot.

>>3107941
probably 2530 or similar. Looks slightly widescreen tho.

>>3107941
No controls on the bottom, looks like an L-series chassis, 20 inches. I don't see the "multiformat" text in the corner, so maybe a PVM 20L4? Could be a BVM without the control unit, though.

>>3107962
This anon is probably right, I forgot about the larger PVMs.

>>3107969
L series didn't come out until mid-late 2000's

>>3108016
>>3107969
And you can clearly see the cage/frame. Too big for 20" so it's either a 2530 or a 2730 IMO.

>>3106802
http://retrorgb.com/scartswitches.html

>>3108029
>>3107962
For how large it looks, it could be the 3230.

>>3108016
False. My 20L5 has a January 2002 manufacture date.

>>3108050
>>3106802
>SCART switches
please.

>>3108164
>Cohen

>>3108276
>osborne

Got my first PVM, Sony 14N1UP. It's only got Composite and S-video, but it looks pretty nice. That's my AV Famicom through composite. I noticed that when the screen is displaying largely gray that I can see wavy lines in the display, would this be mitigated over S-Video? Or is it just a result of being an old set?

>>3098776
What game? I love cyberpunk color schemes are the best over RGB.

>>3109019
I can't say for sure. I've had instances where it was definitely the TV other times when it was just the signal. Easiest way to tell would be to hook up something with S-Video and see!

>>3109019
Adjust the brightness of the display. If that is insufficient, adjust the screen pot on the flyback (you will have to open it up for that one).

>>3109180
Thanks! I'm ordering an S-Video cable for my hacked Wii soon so I hope that takes care of it (it's really not a huge deal either way).
>>3109191
Awesome, I appreciate the input, I've been running it at factory defaults.

>>3103745
>>3104235
>>3104238

I'm this guy
>>3103723

I actually did it, I managed to get my hands on the LX5500 and I spent the day cleaning and polishing it and even vaxing both sides of the glass screen infront of the tube, took my time cleaning the old remote too, that fucker is heavy as a cast-iron pan.

After a ton of googling I finally figured out the strange ways of B&O and how to setup the inputs. SCART RGB was easy but S-Video for the N64 was a proper bitch. How about this: Press Menu, Select Ext.1 and link that to V.Tape1, press Play to save the settings. Press V.Tape on the remote and then Press and Hold Shift + 9 to for the TV to search for an S-Video signal instead of composite and voila. S-Video quality is stunning but there's not much helping the N64, the only system I have on S-Video.

The RGB image is a amazing. Though a bit on the dark side (anything I can get to boost the image strength externally?) The picture is extremely stable and has none of the intense flickering or even that high pitched sound many CRT:s have and to top it off the speakers are equally as good as the image quality, if not better. All in all, super happy with my free 26 year old TV.

Here's Sexy Parodius

>>3109558
>Though a bit on the dark side
Normal. Many SCART sets are like that.
>(anything I can get to boost the image strength externally?)
Not impossible.
You could boost it against the official specs from 0.7Vpp to 1-1.4Vpp, that might work.
My personal solution is to attenuate composite (or S-Video Luminance) by double terminating it, that could make it as dark as RGB. I do this on my NES with a external RCA adapter with 75ohms to ground.
>How about this: Press Menu, Select Ext.1 and link that to V.Tape1, press Play to save the settings. Press V.Tape on the remote and then Press and Hold Shift + 9 to for the TV to search for an S-Video signal instead of composite and voila.
This reminds me of some LOEWE sets and how funny it was that a SCART input can be configured as radio (if I recall it correctly), this causes a message to appear on that input that it is a radio input and the CRT will shut off after 10 seconds but the audio is still playing.
This caused confusion on mostly older folks.

>>3104238
I'm this guy:
>>3104235
>>3109558

Glad it's working for you.
Yeah, I'd maybe try a transistor-based amplifier if you feel it's too dark. Maybe a 2N3904 or 2N4401 would manage it. Just make sure it's a NPN transistor.

Beyond that, bumping up contrast is always one thing you can do.
I'm currently making a S-Video amplifier for a VA7 genesis I'm gonna sell on ebay (after mega amp-ing it). RGB amps will work pretty much the same.

>>3109678
Looks like it dropped my name when I mistyped the captcha.

I've never used SCART myself so I don't know if that's why it's dim. My BNC inputs never leave any RGB looking particularly dark (just got a Mega Drive and a SNES RGB modded at the moment. Maybe some day soon I'll feel like drilling into my PSX).

>>3100943
I've got a working laserdisc player and a few movies for it. Aliens, Terminator 2(special edition with the deleted scenes), and Secret of NIMH. LD is pretty cool. Granted, a lot of releases are letterboxxed widescreen, but it still looks damn good. Not an audiophile so I can't really comment on the sound quality, but it is cleaner than VHS so there is that. Too bad the only output the unit has is Composite. Starting to wonder if I can modify it for S-Video without breaking it.

>>3109719
The sound quality on LD was literally unmatched until BD came out. LDs use standard redbook CD audio so 16bit 44.1Khz, which is way, way better than any DVD. I was really into LDs when I was in high school, still have all my discs in storage but no players anymore.

>>3109719
To follow up, S-Video on most LD players used a comb-filter inside the LD player itself, and they were generally quite poor (by modern standards). You're likely to have a better comb filter on your monitor (especially since you're in this thread), so even composite would look better than the onboard s-vid in most cases.

>>3109757
Yeah, I was just thinking about opening it up and seeing if I can lookup whatever video encoder chip it used and seeing if I can pull s-video off of that. I'm guessing no, but I've got a setup geared for s-video so I want to make the effort.

Probably a stupid idea though.

I want to buy a Sony PVM-8042Q

If I understand this right, can I:
>convert from HDMI to Component (YPbPr) using a converter box
>plug the Component (YPbPr) into the back of this

Does this work? I assume I need an HDMI -> Component box that will do the correct resolution, will 480i work?

>>3110151
yeah you should be able to
best component adapter is the HD-Fury

but i strongly suggest springing for a 14 incher (dont forget ikegami, jvc, and panasonic also make professional monitors)
8 is tiny even in front of your face

are you trying to connect a ps3 to this or something?
in that case just go for an old pc crt
it will look better at high reses via ps3
i think you could even get a scanline generator somewhere in there

>>3110151
>>3110192
if you're using a newer console just buy the component cable. what is hdmi only that you would want to plug into a crt?

>>3109558
Nice find! Post a pic of that remote you little prick tease.

>>3110151
If using a non-SD source, a PC monitor is far better than a PVM.

>>3110236
>what is hdmi only that you would want to plug into a crt?

My current PC. I don't want to install a VGA card, and my 290X only does HDMI and Displayport

>>3110151
>>3110375
>My current PC
>8-inch
>will 480i work

I fail to see where you're getting at, but I think you would be better off with an HD consumer CRT, some of which actually support HDMI. Those come pretty costly doe.

>>3110437
Something like a Sony GDM? Ok, thanks

Will I still get scanlines from something like a ~20 inch CRT monitor?

>>3110375
>>3110375
im not confident you can get 480i/240p out of a 290x

get a pc crt monitor + HD-Fury

or an HD CRT
lot of them have hdmi ports

guys can you PLEASE update the pastebin
every single day some noob wants to hook their pvm to their modern day graphics cards and we have to explain how it isnt that simple

>>3110446
to get scanlines at 480p you need a scanline generator
SLG3000 preferred

290x -> SLG3000 with HD-Fury -> pc crt

that being said
if you have an old HD-XXXX series graphics card
those can output 480i with some software

>>3110437
why was this deleted

>>3101890

sync stripper worked like a charm, now I should be able to hook up the n64 to it for some sin and punishment on a 33.5"

zero 3 on saturn model 2 with a shitty scart cable

So guys, I have a dumb question.

I recently got S-Video cables for my Saturn and it is an awesome improvement over the composite cables I'd been using for my crt. I have a second Saturn in my room that's hooked up via composite to my 20ish inch hdtv and it looks like absolute garbage. The hdtv doesn't support S-Video, just component.

My question is, is it worth going through the trouble of getting another S-Video Saturn cord, S-video female to female dongle, and an s-video to component converter cord? The pieces themselves are cheap but I want to know if the picture will get any clearer. I know it'll look like shit regardless because hdtv but that's all I have in my room and I enjoy doing a few Daytona races before going to bed.

>>3110812
if you're aiming for component, you should go rgb>component. Those scart>component transcoders are cheap.

>>3110812
Many HDTVs don't accept 240p over component.

>>3110825
easy to test, plug composite or svideo Y in component Y