/vr/ - Retro Games

>Unity engine

What a shame.

>unity
fucking dropped

>>3076830
>>3076832
don't blame the tool, blame the artist

shameful display desu lads

>>3076819
Original looks better.

Not joking or nostalgic

>>3076892
just blind, then

>>3076819
interested in seeing how the remaster aims to handle the ear gouging sound of the radioactive areas.

>>3076913

not that guy, but I see his point

I can patch up the original look with details from my imagination.

The bottom one's fuckups are irreparable. Those wet sparkly reflections, those sausage fingers, this sledgehammer (?) that looks like a plastic piece of plumbing. Disgusting.

>>3076936
That is in fact a plumbing pipe with plastic things on the end to connect to other pipes. The gross reflections hurt but a remaster makes me pretty excited since I'm so starved for SS news.

>>3076936
a modern lighting engine always does wonders for the atmosphere (as you can plainly see in the vid), everything else is irrelevant and also tweakable

>>3076848

>tool

It's more like the foundation, dumbass. A tool in this context would be something like an IDE.

great thread so far

>>3076978
what is figurative language

alright sperglord, look at it this way: unity is means to an end, a skilled game developer will do a decent job with any engine, and a shitty game developer will make a huge stinking mess with any engine, just because great many shitty games were made with unity (100% free engine, duh), it doesn't make unity a bad engine, even though it's far from perfect

>>3076819
Next gen means everything is covered in lube.

Since System Shock Remastered AND System Shock 3 are being kickstarted, I hope one doesn't end up eating into the potential funds of the other.

>>3077043
like last gen everything was brown?

>>3077043
what is nex gem?

t. pc gamer

>>3077076
now it's teal and orange

>>3077062
I'm guessing this is their system shock project, system shock 3 was a working title?

>>3077198
these guys are doing the ss1 remake, otherside is doing ss3.

>>3077215
oh yeah, my bad

>>3077043
>>3077076
>>3077198

Doom 3.

Look it up.

>>3076819
The big issue for me is the fact that the Underworld Engine really made System Shock 1 imo. It made System Shock 1 feel like cyberpunk as fuck.

>>3077342
now that's a very strange statement, the engine itself is extremely impressive for the time though, I wonder how cyberspace minigame would look like in the remake

I like it. Didn't realize there was enough interest in SS1 for a remake.

>>3076830
>>3076832
>Le unity is bad meme xD

People actually are this retarded. It's nothing worse than 3rd party engines in general.

>>3076978
It's nothing like an IDE, you fucking idiot.

>>3077780
Well it was pretty shitty performance wise until unity 5

>>3077782
Reading comprehension, anon.

>>3076819
Would look good with less post processing effects. I'm worried about the music more than the graphics.

>>3076936
>I can patch up the original look with details from my imagination.
Good job then? By this logic, an artist should just draw a circle, and let the viewer determine what they want to see. Maybe we should never have progressed from text adventures.

>>3078518
>an artist should just draw a circle, and let the viewer determine what they want to see.
Isn't that just basically what contemporary art is?

>>3077780

I love Unity 3D and I've used it for years, but face it, even you would rather see

>System Shock remade in Unreal Engine 4

than

>System Shock remade in Unity

>>3078518

The artists in this remake aren't adding much extra detail. They're not doing anything that the player's imagination could not.

See Monkey Island HD. 27x the pixels without 27x the detail.

>>3078660
That's an unequal comparison. Yes Monkey Island HD looks pretty not good, but this does. Your childhood isn't going anywhere. They've even updated SS1 to work on modern systems already, so there's options for people with preferences.

>>3078660
What the fuck, that abomination is a real thing?!

>>3078649
no, why?

>>3077504
it's gotten more attention in the past 5-6 years, some guy made a mouselook mod 2009-ish, then night dive bundled that with a higher res renderer and put it on GOG last year

all the 20-something neckbeards who grew up playing quake 2 and half life booted this obscure gem up and came through their buttholes

>>3078649
while I agree with the general sentiment, you're going for, it takes about 6 months for epic games to release 1 tiny deathmatch map

an impressive engine is nothing without impressive assets made by like 20 environment artists

>>3078679
yeah, it came out quite a while ago

>>3076936
so, 2/10 would not play?

>>3078660
>>3078679
jesus, i don't spend a lot of energy hating on remakes but... that looks like shit. that makes the ios version of FF6 look like uhhh

>>3081397
Except it let you switch between the classic and new graphics on the fly.

i'm actually pretty excited about this

>Unity

Guess it'll run like ass, then.

>>3083521
not necessarily, but statistically likely

>>3084379
sample bias

>>3076936
I thought they were pretty good.

It's a mylar space insulation film lit by a red light.

seems legit.

>>3084395
well unity does seem to be a bit of a resource hog even with games made by people who know their shit, while it will always run more or less adequately on a high end system (unless the ineptitude of the developer was truly staggering), people like myself who buy a new graphics card every 4 years and overhaul systems every 6 who squirt liquid hate from every orifice each time a relatively simple looking game manages to choke my old overstressed hardware

most recently, superhot, seemed like a CPU bottleneck actually

It looks decent.
The thing I'm most interested in is what they will improve over the original. Looking at the cyberspace parts and hacking puzzles maybe.

If the only thing they're going for is modernized visuals, I don't see the point. Because System Shock is a perfectly playable and fun game.

Then again, I'd probably rebuy any crappy nostalgia cashgrab just for more Shodan monologues.

>>3076832
>>3076830
Who gives a fuck? There's a shitton of good games on Unity, like Wasteland 2. Since when engine fucking matters?

>>3085379
>Because System Shock is a perfectly playable and fun game.

>>3085438
Unity tends to be pretty decent in the hands of a real developer, it just tends to get a bad rap because every idiot indie dev and their mother uses it to make a open-world survival simulator.

And it's not like it's Gamebryo or anything.

>>3085379
... No, it wasn't. It was trying to be action-adventure-RPG in framework of an FPS, with metroidvania progression and voiced dialogue, in 1994 - before FPS genre was even properly formulated. This kind of innovation HAS to include concessions.
Like, they didn't even think to include mouselook for god's sake. It is a very INFLUENTIAL game, yes - every hacking minigame in every game since then is some variation on the concept of connecting lines (with exception of DX:HR). But it's not super good executed - I mean, Enhanced Edition, or really just installing a mouselook mod is enough to make it 80% more playable. So I'm assuming this is going to be entire purpose to make it more accessible in the same way Enhanced Edition does, just more (e.g. I love the fact that they are almost exactly sticking to original aesthetic, down to colors of the rooms).

>>3085934
>>3085949
Not purists. You may take your coat and leave.

>>3085980
Honest to god - and don't lie - do you play the game with mouselook mod, or without?
If without, I will fucking demand videos for proof.

>>3085980
The controls were UTTER trash and you know it. The mouselook mod is a must

>>3085949
...or you could have just noticed that I'm talking about the present here before posting that banal wall of text. Obviously we're talking about SSP nowadays (or EE).
You even say "the same way Enhanced Edition does" yourself. Those improvements already exist.

>>3086018
... Yeah, I can totally see people who play Enhanced Edition as "purists". That's totally what the word means.

>>3085438

>Wasteland 2

Very, very poor performance trade-off for awful visuals. You're making my point for me.

>>3086191
... Doesn't change the fact that game was good. Unity isn't picked because it's an amazing engine, it's picked because it's a cost effective and accessible solution. Not every dev can buy license for Unreal 4.

>>3078670
>They've even updated SS1 to work on modern systems already

No they didn't. As much as they did they still haven't implemented invert mouselook ADSJFASIDHFASDJFAFDSEAH

>>3086315

It's the players who pay the price because they keep having to buy new parts all the time. We should be demanding a better product from people who are already making money from other games, who will use crowdfunding on top of that, and who are working with an established IP. I can understand newbie developers with completely new game concepts using Unity but this situation is different. The cheap hacks making this game are just after a quick and easy buck and they push off what little risk there is in making a very safe remake of an acclaimed game to the consumer.

>>3086318
What are you, an airplane?

The thumbnail for the prealpha gameplay video may or not be a reference to the SHODAN game over screen.

>>3086410

>>3086347
>system shock 1 remake
>quick and easy buck
Projecting, are we?

>>3086417
no matter its quality, it will sell on hype and hope alone

>>3086417
>>3086426
system shock 2 sold about 100k copies when it came out, and nobody remembers system shock 1 or talks about it much

>>3086602
Grim Fandango sold really badly too.

>>3086417
Here's a thing about remaking games (mind that this is not a "reimagining" like Shadow Warrior), is that devs dont have to actually design anything - all the designs, map layouts, and other important aspects of the game are already there, which saves more than half of the dev time/efforts. Remakes like this are a definition of a quick buck. On the plus side, they may attract attention of people who are not into retro to the original franchises but that's not very likely.

>>3086426
Shit's in production for a while now, and will continue to be. The fancircle is niche (and picky). It's nothing done quick, nor will there come easy money. Slapping a mod on already available software and releasing everything within half a month is quick and easy in this market.

>>3076819
Welp, time to reinstall again!

Maybe when I'm done I'll actually get around to playing SS2 as well this time.

>>3085997
Without, faggot. Reason? I'm old faggot shocker, pal. I like suspension and hard shit.

And why I should video it? You can't handle simple game mechanics? ADHD much?

System Shock isn't fast paced like FPS games are nowadays.

>>3086001
No, you are too simple minded to learn them. They were perfect at that time and they are still.

>>3086617
we don't talk about tim shekelberg games anymore

>This
>Paul Neurath and Warren Spector working on System Shock 3

I haven't been this excited for games literally ever

>>3086849
Eh, he's been involved in enough classics that he can shekel all he wants as far as I'm concerned.

>Unity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEKCCe3JAs

>>3087767
runs *mostly* fine on PC, even with 4 players

so moar like
>PS4
>not a toaster

>>3087734
well that could be forgiven, but his latest output is just shiiit, broken age especially, and he went ahead and made a huge fool of himself live by making a cringeworthy GG joke

I'll pay for another sequel, but I'll only play this if it's free.

>>3076819
I am fully errect right now!

I still have the original box, manual and disks here.

>>3087910
Post pix next to dragon dildos

Or any autism attributes you can find

Or just pics

just started the enhanced edition from gog.
I actually like old graphics so i don't mind the new one coming out.
Untill now it's been pretty fun getting the hang of the controls, but the last thing i did (entering cuberspace) just left me confused as to what the hell i was supposed to do. I can fly around the level and dodge the dog and guardian following the arrows. But what was i supposed to do next?

/noob

>>3090624
>Untill now it's been pretty fun getting the hang of the controls, but the last thing i did (entering cuberspace) just left me confused as to what the hell i was supposed to do. I can fly around the level and dodge the dog and guardian following the arrows. But what was i supposed to do next?
Shoot things with pulser soft, pick up healthkits and boxes, avoid mines, flip switches, hover into info nodes for some vague hints, use drill soft on ICE blocked objects

Basically follow navigation arrows until you hit a cyberspace exit, and fly through every node that doesn't hurt you (that would be mines)

>>3076936
>that looks like a plastic piece of plumbing
Are you a fucking idiot?, or did you forget that you used one in the original?

>>3086805
>I'm old faggot shocker, pal.
>No, you are too simple minded to learn them

>>3085997
it's not that fucking hard you hyperbolic child

>>3087864
While Night Dive is doing this in house, but the original devs are making the third game.

>>3091842
I heard about Warren Spector getting involved in some unspecified position, but original devs of what system shock 1 or system shock 2? Ex-irrational or ex-looking glass?

Also you don't need Warren fucking Spector on your team to get why system shock or deus ex worked and what made them good

>>3093394
ex-LGS

>>3093402
Most of those guys got absorbed into eidos whirlpool, kinda why DX3 was kinda sorta alright

>>3086315
Unreal 4 does not require licens - it's free until you sell your game, then you have to pay royalties, but that's still a much better deal than Unity. If you develop something small-scale than you'll have to pay less, if you make something big - then U4 will suit the project better than Unity anyway.

>>3093490
Unreal Engine is only ever good in the hands of one company: epic games, the guys who made the fucking thing

Almost every other dev manages to squirt out a poorly optimized shitty looking mess, see Xcom 2 as recent example

>>3093973
That's always been true.
Only people who know how to work with engines can actually optimize them worth a shit.
Except the complexity of a modern engine means that the people who can do so simply go ad join a company that works on some of them.

I think I prefer the old HUD. Its got that crowded old-school 80s scifi way-too-much-information look to it.

>another rehash that spergs will pay money for

>>3077043
I am to see I am not the only one thinking that.
To go next gen on previous gen, just apply vaseline on the whole sreen.

>>3093973
>what are:
>Arkham Asylum
>Mirror's Edge
>BulletStorm
>Bioshock

Unreal Engine 3 always works well, unles dev goes apeshit on post-processing effects - that's where most slowdowns occure. And you can disable most of that via ini editing.

>>3076819
What's really bothering me is the slightly cartoony zombies.
WoW really has ruined a generation of art directors with their cartoon bullshit.
Cant you just make them creepy again?

>>3097491
Original's mutants are quite literally digitized claymation models

>>3097408
Oy vey, even out of those 4 examples 2 ran like shite on hardware of the time, and only one looked good mostly due to the color scheme

And there are hundreds of unreal engine games out there

>Play System Shock for the first time 2 years ago
>Decide to skip the mouselook mod to see if I can handle original controls
>They start out really difficult to use and I die on level 2
>Music's alright, jammin' out with it a bit
>Eventually I get the controls down and start having a blast
>Rollerskating down corridors cuttin' mawfuckaz with the laser rapier
>Beat the game (Fuck all the boring ass hacking parts and fuck them for making it the last fight)
>A few months later one of the songs from the game shows up on a youtube playlist
>Its phenomenal
>Turns out I configured Dosbox wrong with sound and was listening to a pale comparison to the actual music

Incredible game from start to finish. I can't wait for this remake.

>>3076819
I mean this looks good and all but is SS3 still gonna happen?

>>3098691
This is made by night dive, the vulture saints of retro PC gaming

SS3 is being made by otherside entertainment, seems to be ex-LGS people, and they have Warren Spector on board

I'm glad they decided to keep the enemy design more or less the same as they were in the original. It is too often you see remasters/reboots with enemies that have been redesigned to the point of being unrecognisable (I'm looking at you, DOOM)

>>3098805
That's comforting. No such thing as too much System Shock in the world.

>>3098809
Reboots sure, but HD versions are either lazy as fuck to the point of keeping the original sprites/models or stick fairly close to original designs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_63Xfyj4IY

remember when looking up and down was a feature game devs were proud of?

>>3098176
All those game ran perfectly fine on my shittoaster (Core 2 duo 2.4GHz, 2GB Ram, GeForce 9600)

>>3098858
Perfectly fine for a shittoaster? I don't doubt it

>>3098840
If they switched up all the enemy models people would tear this game apart. It's not lazy because they have been completely reworked and beefed up while keeping the same sort of look. Lets you know it's still system shock

>>3098176

The grey colored flesh the remake mutants have is what makes them look cartoony. They look like ayy lmaos as opposed to horrifically mutated humans.

>>3099032
they look pretty ayy lmao in the original, m8

System shock 2 had a much better enemy design, system shock 1 is fairly cheesy all over the place

>>3099009
I think it's clear it's going to be decently faithfull to the original from the fact that, you know, they recreated the entire medbay level 1:1 geometry wise

>>3076819
Looks pretty, albiet they can tone down the gloss. Hoping music is unchnaged or at least can be an option. Hoping the hacking minigame is actually tolerable.
It's in pre-alpha so anything is possible.