/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3082513
Yeah, they are great long term investments. I bought a copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga for 100€ five or six years ago, I can sell it today for 400€.

>>3082516
Fucking hell

Damn kid that's some hardcore nerd cred with those skulls.

Some games don't run properly, or at all, on flash carts.

So the benefit to owning real carts of those games would be the ability play them.

Some games don't run properly, or at all, on flash carts.

So the benefit to owning real carts of those games would be the ability to play them.

>>3082527
Are there many games that don't run on flash carts?

>>3082516
Then you can sell it and buy a flash cart so you can finally play it and all the other games.

>>3082531
Any snes game that uses a mapper chip. Such as

>Mario rpg
>mega man x
>yoshi's island
>Kirby superstar

>>3082548
I presume those games now all sell for £500 or something ridiculous?

>pirate skulls
>for criminal use only

>>3082513
If you lost the games you used to play a lot as a kid, yes. If you want to own games you never got a chance to play when you were young, yes. Taking the route of emulation doesn't provide a proper substitute when nostalgia is involved. And, if you go overboard and download all the games you want in an afternoon, it kind of waters down the value of individual games. If it's too easy to get, it's also easy to rob yourself of appreciating each game.

>>3082513
Worth a bit of money

>>3082568
Flash carts are emulation?

>>3082550
I don't know about Euro funny munny, but good luck finding any one of those games for less than 40 dollars these days.

>>3082583
I can find plenty of Japanese versions for like £10 ($14) each

>>3082580
technically, yes. but it's cart emulation, not console emulation.

>>3082580

>>3082619
Well, I don't tend to count moonrune versions of games in these discussions, but that's just me.

>>3082553
I assume those were the old logos or something?

>>3082513
depends on the stuff that interests you with retro. if you're in it just to play the games then there's no reason to collect carts or buy original consoles.

but if you like the way things were made back then, the packaging, manuals, presentation hardware and engineering of retro consoles then it's definitely worth the hunt.

i just refurbished an old unloved model 1 genesis. Sure I could have gotten a clone, but the design and 'realness' of it all appeals to me. I have the money, time and space to build a small collection and it makes -me- happy. Why not?

>>3082513
Peace of mind for old people clinging to the notion that copyright still matters.

>>3082752
>or buy original consoles.

Well surely having an original console+playing it on a CRT is a more authentic and less buggy experience than PC emulators?

Only if you're an autist who wants total accuracy, or a kleptofag who wants sheves full of carts and discs. Whatever floats your boat.

Even if you're a CRT purist, it's way easier to just use a Wii and emuate, but having the original consoles and games is the only way you're gonna have 100% compatability with everything- The only issue is price and storage.

>>3082513
WE SAW WHAT YOU DID THERE...........

AND WE ARE NOT PLEASED{/spoiler]

>>3082786
You probably won't experience any noticeable bugs on a decent emulator until you reach PS1/N64 stuff. Even then most games are defiantly playable, especially the popular ones.

>>3083075
Fair enough, but you do lose out on the CRT or are there decent filters?

>>3083081
I don't use filters. I'd rather just see the game's raw pixel output.

I have a CRT setup and it does feel "right", but I also use emulators more often. CRTs aren't a deal breaker for me.

>>3082513
The only real benefit is point of failure. Lose/damage the memory card, all saves are lost. Damage the everdrive, all games are lost.

But an Everdrive outweighs those problems imo. Also, since you can use save states with one, games aren't hard anymore which is a huge plus.

>>3083097
Triggered me good for a second there old boy.

>>3082790
Other than carts with chips, what inaccuracies do flash carts have?

>>3082619
Mario and Yoshis go for ¥100 ($0.90) loose here. A bit more for mega man.

>>3082513
You don't gain a smug sense of self satisfaction forcing you to go on about how much you love your flash cart anytime someone brings up their collection.

>>3083890
They're just the mark of poorfags, no matter how hard they try to convince you that they're smart and/or clever and saving money.

They'd be better off in /g/ considering how often they like to bring up their little shitty devices and not talk about games.

>>3083970
Yeah, its really terrible when people don't talk about games, just like this post doesn't either.

>>3082548
>MEGAMAN X
U wot
They can run all of these

>>3082770

That picture is so fucking stupid.

>>3083970
This, I fucking hate third world people.

>>3082534
Playing PDS from a flash cart?

>>3083970
i use mine for console save-state practice. that's it. i do all my full runs/playthroughs on official carts.

>>3084116

This is the most autistic thing I've read on this website that I know is not a troll attempt.

>>3084118
yeah, haha, autism, lol!

>>3084108
global rule #2 violation

>>3082513
No. There isn't even a benefit to using real hardware. Emulation is superior in every way.

>>3084183
wot m8

>>3084232
> Said by someone who hasn't emulated n64 or saturn

>>3084297
>emulating the shittiest console ever made

>>3082513

Owning the real version of the game is better than dealing with hardware that requires your own knowledge and input to ensure proper emulation. Most importantly, the hardware for older consoles never change so repairing and maintaining them usually guarantees your games will work beyond normal expectations. I'm not against using flash carts but why would you want to do more work than normal just to play games that are 20+ years old?

>>3084318
>why
To save thousands of dollars, idiot.

>>3084318
>why
To play imports, idiot.

>>3084318
>why
To play fan translations and ROM hacks, you idiot.

>>3084316
n64 isn't that bad.

>>3084338
Nice bait.

>>3084325
Get a job, hippie.
>>3084327
Irrelevant hipster answer.
>>3084329
>fan translations and ROM hacks
I apologize to all the teenagers in this thread that I've offended by ignoring the best possible answer.

>>3084327
Original cart imports play just fine. They're also generally very cheap. You can get many, many jap games for the cost of a flash cart.

>>3084329
>i can't read moon
>you're an idiot
top kek kid

>>3084361
>I waste money on video games I could obtain for free
>they're an investment
>I am not an idiot

>>3084361
Thanks to faggots like you, I make $10K a week reselling retro games. Stay retarded, and please, please, PLEASE, stay employed!

>>3082548
Megaman X does not use an enhancement chip, X2 and X3 do though.

>>3084014
As I said Megaman X1 yes.

The SNES hardware is not capable of running these games without the additional chips, the SA1 chip in Mario RPG nearly triples the SNES processing power for example.

>>3084397
Mario RPG is a pile of horseshit, just sayin'.

>>3084382
Who are you quoting?
>>3084396
Good for you. Also, proof?

>>3084416
I can't prove it without doxing myself. I usually spend $3-5K and make $6-12K in profit.

>>3083108

That's about it. The flash cart is just feeding rom data to the console. There's not a whole lot to be inaccurate about.

>>3084401

You've got horrible taste in video games, everybody knows now.

>>3084462
It's a fucking kid's game, m8.

>>3084420
Nice cover up. It's not like your identity is important enough to justify why anyone would abuse said documentation anyway.

You could have just showed us your capital or some evidence of your sales without names attached. If you are that successful at reselling retro vidya, you'd be able to prove it easily.

Also, thanks for selling back to us everything we value more than money. Without you guys, we would never be truly happy.

>>3084467
Yeah, maybe I should show you my eBay account so y'all could sabotage my perfect feedback record, just to be dicks. Anyhow, obviously I am buying on average at 1/3 the price you are. Stay pleb.

>>3084397

MMX2&3 work on SD2SNES. It has FPGA cores for all DSP chips and the CX4.

Still missing are SFX, SA-1 and S-DD1 so no Star Fox, Yoshi's Island, Doom, Kirby's Super Star / Dream Land 3, SMRPG, Star Ocean or Street Fighter Alpha2.

S-DD1 is just a graphics decompression chip though, so presumably you wouldn't even need a core for it if you just ran the uncompressed versions of its roms.

>>3084470
>obviously I am buying on average at 1/3 the price you are

Based on what statistic? I buy games from shopgoodwill.com to local thrift shops in my area. You honestly think your paranoia clarifies anything in this thread?

You must be new.

>>3084496
Based on what people are paying me, obviously. I'm not working hard to get my stuff. I'll buy anything, especially higher-cost items, that I can double my money on., although I usually triple it. Don't take the word 'you' so personally m8.

>>3084472
I know a working star ocean ROM is out there. The others might be too

>>3084504
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>3084516
You're being a faggot. I hope you were personally ripped off by me at least once.

>>3082650
Why? These are original after all.

>>3084516
Even if he did show you completed eBay listings, you don't know what he paid for the items anyways.

>>3084524
Exactly. It's very silly of him to justify any claims he's made as more than just fiction. Regardless of his position, there is nothing wrong with people spending money on whatever they want even if it all goes to ebay resellers like him. Everyone gets what they want and the world keeps on spinning.

In closure, buy the original games if you want to spend money or put they games on a flash cart to save money. There is no wrong way to relive your memories.

>>3082513
Not really. Sentimental value is all they're good for. Flashcarts are superior since you can have the whole library at your fingertips.

>>3084472
>S-DD1 is just a graphics decompression chip though, so presumably you wouldn't even need a core for it if you just ran the uncompressed versions of its roms.

>No uncompressed SFA2 ROM yet

>>3084416
>Who are you quoting?
>being this new

>>3084420
>I can't prove it
Because it didn't happen.

Stealth marketing thread.

>>3082513
Uh, can flash carts simulate cartridge chips like SuperFX/MMC5? I genuinely have no idea, I was considering getting some.

>>3085734

Depends on the cart and the chip. Any NES flash cart of any note will have an FPGA that configures to a mapper core upon loading a rom. Mappers were too ubiquitous for a cart to get away without doing this. MMC5 is a complex chip and is at best only partially supported by the PowerPak and Everdrive N8.

As far as SNES goes, the SD2SNES is the only cart that even attempts to run custom chips in FPGA, and it still doesn't support SuperFX or SA-1. Other SNES carts at best support DSP, and require you to sacrifice a real cart for the physical chip to solder on to the PCB.

>>3083970
Man. This.

Some of you guys are amazing idiots.

1) Emulation is not the same as flash carts. You can't just interchange the words. The only thing they have in common is they're piracy and save money. You can argue all you want about it before fifth gen, not just interchange the words like it's the same thing.

2) I personally do not buy games anymore, however the games I do have it's not just the utility of them which could be replicated by flashcart. It's the fact I own it and it's my property. There's meaning in that for some people. Why do you bother collecting things in games? There's no clear utility for them. It's the same with games when you have flashcarts.

>>3086234
GDs did DSP 20 years ago in a PLD with out sacrificing a cart. Ruskies are just a few decades behind the chinks. Krikzz will get there eventually I'm sure. kek.

>>3086287
You're pretty amazing yourself if you can't believe flash carts are emulation.

Way back when your pappy was as young and naive as you are now we didn't have flash. The best we had was EPROMs. Writing them was real slow but erasing them was even slower. So we put some SRAM on a board with a battery and used that instead to speed things up. We called it an EPROM Emulator.
And that's the same thing you youngins are doing with your flash carts. Emulating the PROM and sometimes a few other chips. Just because you and your pa are too young to remember that don't mean that's not what it's called.

Now get off my fucking lawn.

>>3086610
>We called it an EPROM Emulator.
Everyone else calls it SRAM and leaves it at that, because that's what it is.

Don't get hung up on semantics.

When people on /vr/ refer to emulation, You can safely infer that they're specifically talking about software emulation of console hardware. They will normally elaborate further if this is not the case.

Software emulators have a lot of conveniences but they also come with a multitude of issues like timing/cycle accuracy, host-introduced latency, and any number of other inconsistencies against actual hardware. Contrast with a flash cartridge, which serves as a delivery mechanism for the ROM data to run directly on genuine hardware as a normal game cartridge would and avoids most of the inaccuracies a software emulation setup may have.

What flash cart should I get if I want to play Star Fox 2?

>>3086638
You underestimate the intelligence of everyone. Everyone who's got any serious training in electronics calls a device made with some SRAM and a battery that's a drop in replacement for an EPROM an EPROM emulator. Not a lot of people care what a few misinformed people care to call it.

>>3086654
I'd say from this thread and others like it it's no longer safe to infer that. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone pointing out flash carts are emulation is trying to be technically accurate, piss off people who believe otherwise, or just thinks everything that's not original official hardware is emulation. But I've seen enough people here who know what they're talking about on the subject to say that's a bad assumption to make. Up to each individual whether he wants to be thought a fool because his justification for being wrong is "But Ma! All my friends are doing it"

>>3083874
>Mario and Yoshis go for ¥100 ($0.90) loose here
tfw they're ten times as much on ebay from moonland

>>3086883
no snes flash carts support FX chip games

you need to get a repro, or do it yourself, to play on original hardware

>>3086610
It's pretty obvious that emulation, as the term is used on a retro gaming board, is is very different to emulation in the sense you're talking about.

You seem like a intelligent chap, so I'll assume you're aware of that and are just being a pompous ass.

>>3086610
>Way back when your pappy was as young and naive as you are now

Back in 1962?

>You underestimate the intelligence of everyone. Everyone who's got any serious training in electronics calls a device made with some SRAM and a battery that's a drop in replacement for an EPROM an EPROM emulator. Not a lot of people care what a few misinformed people care to call it.

I have a degree in electrical engineering, I would never call it an emulator. It's not an emulator of the console. Nobody, nowhere calls it an emulator. What you're doing is poking holes semantics, incorrectly - it would be bad enough if you were technically right, and imagining you're on some sort of intellectual and knowledge pedestal for it. So it's you who is the fool here.

>>3082770

That's such a stupid setup.

>>3087089
I'm aware some people people here don't really know what the term technically means. That's not an issue until they decide to make one of it like >>3086287 did. When that happens whats a man gonna do except correct the pompous ass?

>>3087164
We didn't get EPROMs until the 70s. Before that we were wrapping core.
I never said it was "an emulator of the console". You must have skipped your Logic 101 and Reading Comprehension 101 classes to attend all those electrical engineering ones you're making tall claims about. Anyone who's worked with EPROMs as more than a hobby knows what an EPROM emulator is.
Pic related is the device I'm talking about with the name "nobody, nowhere" uses printed right there on the case.

>>3088138
>I'm aware some people people here don't really know what the term technically means.

There is no requirement that any flashcard is any kind of emulation. Like I said you aren't even right in a technical "gotcha" semantic-bending sense.

>>3082527
Pretty sure the latest everdrive can run the entire n64 library now.
>>3082568
I will be downloading the entire n64 library.

Really want to get the ultra hdmi upgrade for my n64. Then I'll have the ultimate n64 experience I never had when I was a child!

>>3086234
>>3086307
>Other SNES carts at best support DSP, and require you to sacrifice a real cart for the physical chip to solder on to the PCB.
not anymore, or at least newer super everdrive doesn't

>>3088257
I don't know what "requirements" your talking about or what they might have to do with anything here. I'm just telling you how it is. When you use one type of electronics to perform the same function as another it's called an emulator.
You can cry about it or learn something. Your call. One persons ignorance or knowledge on this isn't going to make a huge difference. Just know that if I ever catch you lecturing another anon here with your misinformation I'll call you on it again.

>>3088875
Good to hear Russia has now reached the technological level China was at in the early 90's. If they can apply this to other areas of electronics they may be able to make PCs capable of running Windows 95 as early as next year.
Seriously though, good news.

>>3082516
Not always though. I have benefited from this (bought Contra for 8 bucks and sold for 36 years later) but rarely do you make solid money on a consumer good, even a collectible.

For me the benefit is the fun of looking at and feeling the collections. To be honest though, I have an everdrive 64 and basically see no reason to not buy more flashcarts, they're great.

The one exception I could think of is SNES, support is too piecemeal for my tastes. I just emulate on wii instead.

>>3084401
Beat that game a week ago, 7/10 RPG, it's nothing amazing like Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Final Fantasy 7, or Xenoblade.

>>3089183
let's be real though, it's better than Final Fantasy 7.

>mfw those SD2SNES & EverDrive N8 incompatibility lists
So what's the deal with these carts and the incompatibilities? Did the devs collectively throw their hands up and said "fuck it"? I though about picking up one a while back but those lists were quite discouraging considering the price points.

>>3090368
How fucking stupid are you?

There are some specific chips that are just difficult to get working. It's why the SD2SNES doesn't have any SuperFX chip games on it. It's not like they just siad fuck it, they're no doubt continuing to work on it, but most likely it just wasn't economical to get it in, most likely by cannabalizing the chips from real games, which is exactly what they dont want to do.

>>3090401
>It's not like they just siad fuck it

No, that's pretty much exactly what Ikari did:

https://sd2snes.de/blog/archives/334

>>3090368
With the NES, there are a bunch of mappers that either don't exist, aren't documented very well or that no-one would want to play.

The SNES (and NES to an extent) has a bunch of games with complex addon hardware that isn't easy to replicate. The SD2SNES uses a FPGA for all that stuff which means you'd have to emulate the actual processor hardware instead of the end result like almost all existing emulators do. If you could just port or drop in the code from say, bsnes, someone would have done it years ago.

Some guy explained it fairly well and posted a bunch of links in the last thread in case anyone felt like doing all the heavy lifting themselves. SD2SNES has been fully open source for years. That's firmware, schematics, the full schebang.

>>3087050
the super ufo supports fx chip games

>>3090476
It can run a SuperFX game if you happen to have the exact same game plugged into the slot, sure. Kind of defeats the purpose of a flash cart though.

It seems to be absolutely impossible for me to find a clear answer to this question through google, so I'll just ask this here.

If I get an Everdrive for my PAL N64, I can see that I will be able to play NTSC games on it, but what I can't find out is whether the NTSC roms are slowed down or not. The SNES was locked at 50hz no matter what, so the only way you could play NTSC games on it was by slowing down those games. I want to know if the N64 is designed the same, or if it can switch between playing games at 50 and 60hz instead of having to slow down the NTSC roms.

>>3090481
The N64 refresh rate is set by the games themselves, so PAL games will run at 50Hz and NTSC games will run at 60Hz. It's just a matter of what your TV supports. PlayStation and Dreamcast are the same. Saturn is hard locked to a specific frequency, but can be easily modded either way.

Older consoles tend to be physically slower and require more extensive modding. Done correctly, the SuperCIC mod on SNES is god tier and can play 100% of the library. Still, not all games have slowdown and 50Hz doesn't automatically mean a game plays slower than its 60Hz counterpart. More than once I encountered PAL games which played slow as hell so I've hunted for the corresponding USA versions only to find out they ran at the exact same speed, go figure.

>>3090514
>The N64 refresh rate is set by the games themselves, so PAL games will run at 50Hz and NTSC games will run at 60Hz
That's fantastic, thank you.

I'm about to liquidate my lifelong collection of video games. I have stuff like Suikoden 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, gold Zelda carts, etc.

Where can I get the most money for this? eBay? The tough part is that I've never sold anything online, so I wonder if people will even bid on an account with 0 other sales.

>>3090540
It does suck for new sellers, more so that you can easily be victimized by negative feedback because people can be predatory and you have virtually no eBay history.

I personally didn't really sell anything until I had 25 feedback.

You can start up a /bst/ here and see if anyone bites. I've been considering posting some stuff here, but I find that most people here are pretty cheap, or really particular about what they want so it can be hard to find a buyer.

If you make a /bst/ to try and sell to /vr/ then I'll post my stuff as well.

>>3090546
I'll add that there really is no good place to sell.

Craigslist is going to be full of lowballers.
Ebay is going to take a long time to sell on BiN's, and auctions may not get you as much as you want, you will also get pretty fucking wrecked by eBay fees.
I haven't really sold on Amazon, but you know that's an option as well.

You can go to other forums, but again, same kind of thing.

>>3089139
>The one exception I could think of is SNES, support is too piecemeal for my tastes. I just emulate on wii instead.

Nigga just buy the Super Everdrive China Version then get the actual carts for whatever special chip games you want. Unless you have autism, then I'm sorry for your struggle.

>>3090480
Good thing the UFO is more than just a flash cart and has useful functions for those games such as backing up saves, save states, cheat codes, etc.
I appreciate most people here get flash carts because they can't afford originals but for those who can the UFO is a nice tool that costs fuck all.

>>3090480
>if you happen to have the exact same game
As I understand it you can use any game as long as it has the correct chip. So Star Fox 2 should work if the UFO has something like Doom plugged in.

>>3090661
That's a myth. I have several models of UFO and can confirm that doesn't work.

>>3091226
That's disappointing.

>>3082513
Wheres the best place to get a gameboy original flashcart

>>3090340
Mario RPG is garbage. To be quite honest, almost 20 years later, I've yet to play an RPG as deep as FFVII. Gimme more stats!

For some reason I never play any games when I have a digital collection. Some kind of psychological thing I guess. Not motivated to play unless I have. physical game.

>>3094438
Same here dude

>>3094438
>>3095217
Cool thought I was the only one like that

>>3089074
That's like saying a DVD is emulating a floppy disk.

>>3095714
Only when booting in floppy mode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_%28CD-ROM_standard%29
>The BIOS will assign a BIOS drive number to the CD drive. The drive number (for INT 13h) assigned is any of 80 (hard disk emulation), 00 (floppy disk emulation) or an arbitrary number if the BIOS should not provide emulation