/vr/ - Retro Games

i always thought it was really meandering and boring. that was neat as a kid because i didn't give a shit about winning, i just wanted to wander around and hit monsters with an axe. but actually sitting down to try and beat it has always felt like a dull chore

>>3073485
I don't think I've ever beaten it without cheating to bump up levels. It's just very time-consuming for all the wrong reasons.

How does 2 fare in this respect?

The good:
>neat engine
>nice graphics and atmosphere
>hub structure is an interesting concept
>cool weapons
>cool lore

The bad:
>not that many weapons
>the levels
>centaurs REEEE
>bullshit enemy placement just to fuck you over
>the levels
>underwhelming bosses
>the levels
>did I mention the levels?

>>3073480

>>3073480
Hexen is alright. Can be a bit of a drag to play at times with all the backtracking, and I didn't care for the limited weapon selection each class has, but there's a lot of other neat things going for it. Honestly, I think of it less as a straight FPS, and more as an early pseudo-3D metroidvania.

I'd almost say it could use a remake, but then it would lose a lot of its charm. If I were in charge of a remake, I would simply make the switch hunting less arduous, expand the weapon arsenal for each class, add a few more enemies, and throw some more fake room-over-room sections into the map design. All of this could be done with a well polished mod, maybe even on the original engine with some dehacked tweaking.

My thoughts on Hexen:

I really wish there were more fantasy/sword'n sorcery FPS out there.

I liked the levels, but not some of the puzzles. I had to use walkthrough for a couple things.

>>3074198
Give Witchaven a try. It's far from flawless but it's an interesting game.

got fairly far in this game but hit some level that i must have spent hours exploring and couldnt figure out where the exit was, it was some canyon type level, that was annoying as fuck. never got to finish it since i lost the saves

>>3075969
Sounds like me, except it was one of the earlier levels. I really wanted to figure out what to do on my own and ended up getting a bad experience going round and round. I'd suggest people have a guide read and be prepared to use it if you get stuck.

>>3073491
Much, much, much worse. Each section in 2 is just an endless fetch quest.

>>3073498
>the levels

That should be on both "The Good" and "The Bad", since the actual level design is really good for its engine.

>>3075985
>>3075969
The design of the game is meant to really test players, since some of the ways you're required to go in order to advance are borderline secrets, but finally finding that last item or pressing that last switch is so rewarding.

I prefer it over Heretic which is just a shameless Doom reskin (though still entertaining) and a lot of the levels in Hexen are technically more impressive than Heretic.

>>3073480
>the engine is amazing
That's cause it's idtech.

>>3073480
I beat Hexen 1 for the first time a couple of months ago, and I thought that it could have used more weapon variety. Hub worlds were a neat idea but sometimes it felt like too much backtracking & hidden button hunting.

>>3076147
Heretic would have been a lot better with some stronger enemy design, gameplay wise. Lack of hitscanners meant that you could circle strafe around every enemy. I'd like a doom mod that would be a mix of doom & heretic, borrowing heretic's weapons and the tomes of power, but using doom's enemies.

>>3075985
That's only the second hub friend. It get WAY worse after.

The mirror level is bullshit.