/vr/ - Retro Games

Convenience even if it's just assumed sells.

>>3025360
Call me when the Retron 5 comes in blue. That's my wife's favorite color.

Okay, Honest question for all of /vr/ here.

Can I get a legitimate, No-wife-meme breakdown on why the Retron is bad?

Like, I get the fact its pointless that it dumps data to the console like an emulator and has dodgy compatability. But does it actually HARM the carts themselves?

I've been pondering one of these even though I own all three originals just for the sake of convinience, See I ahve a sitting room where my friends come to hang out, and its a pain to just go in and unhook any of the three consoles (They're wired to the walls behind heavy furniture to keep from cord dangling) just to bring them out again.

I was thinking of buying one of these as a simple pop-and-play for when people come over, just so we can have fun. Would that be a bad idea?

>Hurr emulation through PC

That's not very comfortable for anyone but me, and my house is up to date with its technology, so I don't have the luxuries most others do.

Thanks in advance.

>>3025386
>Can I get a legitimate, No-wife-meme breakdown on why the Retron is bad?
Shit quality

>>3025391
Elaborate, Bad quality how? Pixel quality? Frame rate? Is it any worse then an actual emulator? Does it run on any specific emulator?

>>3025394
All around shit quality.

>>3025401
That doesn't really answer any of my questions anon. All you've told me is "It's shit" without telling me WHY it's shit.

>>3025402
It's all shit

>>3025402
It's made of plastic.

>>3025403
That doesn't help at all, but okay. I get your personal bias. I'd like someone else to at least put their thoughts in on this then.

I'm not arguing, I just want to know the pros and cons.

>>3025404
Uh? Okay.. But how does that effect anything? Aren't all consoles made of plastic? i'm guessing you mean non-durable.

>>3025405
Not just any plastic. Cheap plastic. The kind sporks are made out of. You know what I mean.

>>3025386
>But does it actually HARM the carts themselves?

I assume you're talking about the Retron 5 since you said it dumped the games. In that case you bet your ass it does, with multiple reports of erasing SRAM data, and pcb/plastic bending due to retarded slot engineering, which was kind of addressed in the later models but I wouldn't ever, EVER get my carts near that abomination.

>>3025409

Ah, makes sense. But isnt the console just an emulator-loader? Does it even have much advanced circuitry in it to begin with.

I guess a better question would be, is that plastic at risk for overheating? does it have a fan?

>>3025410
Actually 3. I have 0 interest in the 5. I just want the tri for the three cart libraries.

Does 3 not dump games?

>>3025414
I just checked the link in the OP because I thought you were talking about the original Retron 3, which indeed provided (faulty) hardware compatibility.

But since there's a huge 2.4GHz on the box this must also run on emulation and thus be a waste of money with no guarantee it won't fuck up your games.

>>3025421
Hm. I'm tempted to get one and test it on some low-end NES carts then. See what happens, might make a public post to /vr/ about it if anything happens.

The three cart loader would be so ideal for me though. Which is what makes this so painful everytime I see it. I don't own much retro outside nintendo other then MD/Genesis and Dreamcast. I'd probably get saturn when I get more to spend leisurely, and maybe a 2600 or PC-engine, btu really thats about the extent of it. As far as cart based games go, this thing would be perfect.

IF it worked as advertised...

I'm also a huge sucker for colored consoles after the monovhrome ages of gens 7-8 andf that blue is sexy as fuck, ;~;

>>3025414
Things made with lead solder too. That shit is only in cheap chinese electronics anymore because heavy metals are being phased out in the west. Don't blow on your carts if you've used a retron, or you might sniff some lead dust.

>>3025429
I'd invest in a way to get your consoles on a piece of furniture less likely to be an hassle where you have to at least hook the power.

Or, you know, could always use a modded Wii or something. Using your actual carts on that thing would only degrade them of any intrinsic value they have IMO. So that's why it's better to just emulate.

>>3025436
Well see I have a modded wii-U with V-wii hacked an USB loading capabilities as well as emulators, but I don't like using them unless I have to.

I have it specifically to try games i have interest in and if I end up liking it 10% in I just go and buy the game. Kind of like a demo.

>>3025431
Avatarfagging can get you banned.

>>3025438
It would be the literal same thing if that Retron had an sd-slot, the cart is just a showoff. Is your "pick case, extract cart, connect cart, show off cart in the console" ritual worth $60?

>>3025442
That's not avatarfagging you ignoramus, he only ever posted once with a reaction pic.

>>3025448
Money really isnt an issue with me, and I don't like or really condone piracy, so yes.

If I could dump my Carts to the V-wii that would be one thing, but you can't. The only way to emulate that is to pirate illegal roms. And I don't like the prospect of that.

Its also kind of weird to run homebrew infront of your friends.

>>3025431
>>3025442
>>3025453
The mods when they do show up don't really care. They consider avatars anything that can remotely differentiate you from anon because of the image you post with, It's a bit ridiculous.

At least this shitposter is sticking to the shit threads and has had a few funny posts.

I don't own an NES.

Is a Retron a good alternative? I don't want a bulky as fuck box eating up my media stand and I don't care about saves.

>>3025457
>Money really isnt an issue with me

And that's why people are always going to rip you off.

>and I don't like or really condone piracy

Nigga the games are out of sale, the only way to legally acquire them is either buy them from the VC or whatever other authorized service that has the ROMs for sale. Even SEGA authorized putting an SD slot to play downloaded ROMs on clone Genesis systems. By buying used games you ain't giving a penny to Nintendo or anything other than the seller. That's like saying repros are not piracy. And you shouldn't give a crap about pirating games older than most people here.

>Its also kind of weird to run homebrew infront of your friends.

So you care about street cred and all that shit. Get a better disposition for your ORIGINAL systems then, that should be what you're looking for.

>>3025386

The Retron 5 mostly just falls into the category of pointless.

It's running retroarch or some other emulator, I honestly can't remember, but requires you to use physical carts.

It's basically like paying for a fucking rom dumper to dump your carts every time you want to play them.

It wouldn't be that terrible if you can hack it to not require carts and just play roms off of an SD (which I'm sure someone has done by now), but even then it's fairly pointless since most emulators can run on fucking toasters of computers.

So it's this circular logic of pointlessness.

It's HDMI out only so most older games are going to look like shit on an HDTV.

It just exists in this deadzone. If you have carts, chances are you have the original hardware. If you don't have carts chances are you'd be interested in this thing if you could run roms off the SD but you can't.

If you didn't have a Gameboy Player or Super Gameboy it could be appealing for GBA and GBC games, but even then, you may as well just emulate because the emulators for GBA and GBC are pretty fucking good mate.


Afaik it's target market is literal casuals. The kind of guy who reviews gamestores as "5 STARs I NOSTALGIA'D SO HARD IN THERE",

>>3025463
Get a cheap NES clone, there's people casing them into literal SMB/DH carts these days.

>>3025470
Well like I said earlier. I have no interest in 5, just 3, and 3 is S video and composite.

I really just want a console that can play those 3 retro cart libraries just for sake of convinience. Thats really it.

>>3025421
>since there's a huge 2.4GHz on the box this must also run on emulation
Nah, that's the controllers:
>Two 2.4 GHz wireless controllers with a 15 ft. range from console

>>3025462
You get it.

>>3025489
The retro duo and 3 are alright. They aren't terrible and they'd work in a pinch if like your genesis broke or you had no console and wanted to start getting games for 3 libraries.

I mean it's basically the price of an SNES now, so theres that too.

>>3025489
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Retron-3-Hyperkin-Video-Game-System-for-NES-SNES-GENESIS-Gray-/222032030414

Get this. I know it's used and not your favorite color or something, but at least this is not straight up software emulation. Although, if you really care about piracy, you could ask why pick a reproduction system?

>>3025502
Looks good, but isnt this the same model as the blue/red?

Or are you just saying get it because of the price cut?

>>3025494
3 still dumps game roms to play though right? same issue as 5?

I'm looking up reviews and I see lots of positives and negatives, the Negatives are that it broke or didnt work for them on start up, and the positives are all great and recommended.

>>3025512
Both, although you could scratch the emulation part because >>3025491 was so kind to show me what 2.4GHz meant.

Apparently this is an earlier model, you can tell because of the box. Anyway it does not dump games, but I can't vouch for mechanical issues. And at least you ain't giving Hyperkin any money.

>>3025523
Well then thats great! This is exactly what I want.

Just to make sure.

Retron 3:
>Does not dump Rom data and natively plays the carts?
>Data still saves to cart not system?
>Does it have any kung-fu deathgrip on cartridges?

If those 3 are non issues, I'm sold.

>>3025530
>Does not dump Rom data and natively plays the carts?

Yes

>Data still saves to cart not system?

It should, and I mean that because you could find your data erased someday because of some random electrical surge on startup.

>Does it have any kung-fu deathgrip on cartridges

Can't say for sure, gotta wait some more enlighten anon in the matter.

Well I did some background research on reviews for some of the new models.

http://www.lukiegames.com/retron-3-system-new-black.html

It looks like the only legitimate complaint is the wireless controllers, and thats not an issue since I've got tons of NES/Gen/SNES controllers laying around.

>>3025547
I would still find a way to use my original systems if I were you. For some reason you seem awfully adamant on clone hardware and don't even want set up a fair emulation platform like a Wii for stupid, contradicting reasons. Oh well.

>>3025546
Well losing data on any of these three isnt too much of an issue thanks to most of them having password systems. Really its only the RPGs that would have issues.

>>3025557
I do use my originals. I just want an alternative for another room of the house. this would do very nicely so long as there isnt any lasting damage done.

>The RetroN 3’s NES board is just the same ol’ NOAC crap we’ve been seeing for years, so don’t expect to be able to to play your MMC5 games such as Castlevania 3 or Uncharted Waters.
>All games will have typical NOAC quality sound issues with none sounding as they should, some with quite pronounced differences.
>The cheapness of the NOAC rules the Powerpak out from working as well. When attempted, the Powerpak will boot, but say it cannot find the CF card.

>>3025572
Sorry, I don't know much on NES, what is MMC5?

>>3025578
An expansion chip.

>>3025586
Hm. Well not being able to play CV3 would be an issue.

I'm thinking I'll do this.

Buy the newest model for 59.99, Test it, write an indepth analysis, either positive or negative. and post it here.

If it works, I'll keep it.

If it doesnt work out and they won't refund it, I'll probably just put it up at a slightly lower price, seeing as how many people want these.

>/vr/ helping someone decide on a retron

So I've been reading through this thread and now I have a question.

How is the Retron 1?

Is it also an emulator? I ask because I have about 25 NES games, and no NES. and the NES is on a going price of like $100+, where as the retron 1 is $20

>>3026513
>and the NES is on a going price of like $100+

What did you expect? It's the first Nintendo DS, of course it's going to cost much.

>>3025391
Shit quality. The pins break super easily.
They stole the emulator they load on it.
Its a fucking emulator that requires you to have the cartridge on hand. Think about that for a bit.
The included controller sucks.

>>3026570
But from what people have explained, thats only the Retron 5, Not the 3, 2 or 1.

>>3025431

Do you lick the innards of your electronics regularly or what?

>>3026572
Well, usually its the Retron 5 that people are meming with their wives about. Retron 3 as I understand it is just your normal console-on-a-chip deal, which as others have pointed out, has accuracy issues, especially with add on chips in games. Better than the shit heap that is 5, but still kind of a normie trap for people who don't know any better.

>>3026572
Whatever made you think 3 is not an emulator? Did you think they stapled three different consoles motherboards in there?

>>3026607
Console on a chip IS running an emulator
Holy fuck why do you think it's called on a chip? It's an ARM processor running java emulators.

Fuck sake you people.

>>3025431
I'm pretty sure aviation uses it also. Lead solder performs better in every conceivable way, leaded solder lasts longer and doesn't need as much heat to work with. Non-leaded solder has a tendency to get "tin whiskers" over the course of its lifetime which can lead to shorts and ultimately device failure.

http://nepp.nasa.gov/Whisker/background/index.htm

>>3026675
>Lead solder performs better in every conceivable way
Non-leaded doesn't flow as much so you can pack more components in less space. Modern platings reduce the tin whisker risk to be extremely low.

>>3025431
>>Don't blow on your carts EVER

FTFY. I don't even care if you are just here to shitpost. Only retards blow in a cartridge. Just use alcohol/Brasso with a Q-tip or just condensed air. Just blowing your cart might actually damage your cart because you might spit a little on it and water doesn't go well with electronic contacts.

I can't believe there are still people believing that BS that blowing helps.

>>3025386
>Hurr emulation through PC

>That's not very comfortable for anyone but me, and my house is up to date with its technology, so I don't have the luxuries most others do.


If you're gonna ask people to list reasons why it's shit just to dismiss them at least save that part for after you get serious replies. It just makes it extremely obvious you're trying to piss people here off.

>>3026610

What some of the people in this thread have said earlier. It didnt seem like they were lying, and they were more helpful then the first few guys.

>>3026737
I'm not trying to piss anyone off honestly. I'm not dismissing the options, I'm looking for alternatives. I'm not comfortable settling with emulation. I never have been. I like my physical carts and discs.

I don't MIND emulating, but I don't like using it as a justification. I'm not one of those people who will pirate the entire NES library on their USB flashdrive and go "Welp, I've got all the games now!"

If I like a game I emulate, I buy it. it's that simple. I'm looking for an alternative to play mine, and my friends carts in a different room of the house. Not set up a digital box filled with pirated ROMS. Its not the same.

>>3026726
Really harsh stuff like brasso should be strictly a last resort for if the contacts have a lot of corrosion on them. Alcohol should always be the first thing you try and will probably work 99% of the time as long as you can still see the pins.

>>3026742
You're doing it right, anon, it's just not the same when you use roms.

>>3026487
Hey, we're talking about saving relationships here, don't take it so light you asshole.

>>3026820
Yeah, That guys wife is on the line!

>>3026820
>>3026968

>>3026968
>That guys wife is on the line!

>>3026742
Dude, by using a Retron you _are_ emulating. Yeah, you're plugging a cart into a physical device, but much like a computer file, it just feeds data to a processor with an SNES emulator loaded up on to it, and there are no guarantees that the emulator is compliant or works with all hardware. At least with a PC you can patch software or choose a different emulator if things go awry, and legit hardware had QA to ensure the cart would work with the system.

I guess it's cool to own physical copies of the games, but if you are going that route, I'd just buy a system. They aren't that expensive.

> If I like a game I emulate, I buy it.
> pirated ROMS
That's cool and all, but you have to realize that not a dime of money you reaches the original creator, company, or really anyone who was involved in the creation and production of retro hardware. It's purely a second hand market. Unless you buy (non-physical) games via official emulation each console generation, you are only supporting resellers and house cleaners.

Sure, if you like parting with your money, you know what they say, but if your intention is to support the industry you're deceiving yourself.

Even if you looked past the inability to support the industry through retro gaming, I personally think copyright should expire much faster than it does to foster creativity, otherwise you see the stagnation that plagues the industry today, with rerelease after reboot ad nauseum.

At this point it's difficult to argue we are pirating shit by downloading the NES library. We are keeping these games alive, and whether that's through owning a physical copy or, by unavailability, just downloading a game, it doesn't matter.

>>3027145
Not him, but can I ask you a question?

What, exactly, is the point in posting a picture like that?

Are you trying to suggest that you are like that guy, that you're sitting there a bit pissed off? Is everyone expected to do something similar?

Just write a post and forget the image bullshit.

>>3027175
It's an image board. It helps me find my post later. You should try it, even if you just grab a random image like I did in this case.

>>3027175
Wow. Someone seriously complained about someone posting a reaction image on an image board.

This is a new low guys.

>>3027183

or you can ctrl f whatever word of your post.

>>3027175
>He doesn't understand reaction images

>>3027145
>Dude, by using a Retron you _are_ emulating. Yeah, you're plugging a cart into a physical device, but much like a computer file, it just feeds data to a processor with an SNES emulator loaded up on to it

Yes but the ROM is dumped from my own cart right? Thats still better then getting an unspecified ROM from some site. its still my Cartridge, just the data and not the shell.

I'm fine emulating if its my own devices. I just don't like the idea of emulating on other peoples stuff that I didn't pay for or obtain legally.

>but if you are going that route, I'd just buy a system. They aren't that expensive.

I own all 3. Please scroll up for more info, the TLDR; is: I have friends who come over periodically, and I have a sitting room/living room where we usually play Vidya (mostly modern). I have all three but their hardwired into the wall in my Bedroom. Its a pain, and a hassle to rip them out and lug them around, So I'm looking to an alternative to have something quick and easy like a plug in play.

>That's cool and all, but you have to realize that not a dime of money you reaches the original creator, company, or really anyone who was involved in the creation and production of retro hardware. It's purely a second hand market.

That doesn't bother me at all, and I'm aware. I'm not trying to show support to any market, I just pay people who have the things I'd like to obtain.

>We are keeping these games alive, and whether that's through owning a physical copy or, by unavailability, just downloading a game, it doesn't matter.

Admirable, and I respect it, but I prefer physical in hand. I'm not really geared for this digital age the way my kids are. I just like things plain and simple.

>>3026726
>Only retards blow in a cartridge. Just use alcohol/Brasso
>Brasso

The ironing

>>3027332
Electronic Contact Cleaner is what you should be using. Alcohol is a good general purpose cleaner, but contact cleaner is absolutely what you should be using.

>>3025463
Just grab a raspberry from the dumpster behind the grocery store and run emulator on there.

>>3027271

>I have all three but their hardwired into the wall in my Bedroom. Its a pain, and a hassle to rip them out and lug them around, So I'm looking to an alternative to have something quick and easy like a plug in play.

Get some second cables

>>3025386
Because it serves no purpose. If you want an all-in-one emulation machine, just hook up your PC.

>but I want real carts!

Okay, so this is for people that have space for a ton of carts for various systems but don't also have room for a couple old video game systems? The entire premise is ridiculous

>>3027481

I do have room. I don't want duplicates. I don't want 2 NES. 2 SNEs, and 2 Genesis.

Having 1 of each in one room, and a retron 3 to balance the other 3 would be perfect.

Emulation off carts is fine. They're my carts, My ROMS. Emulation on PC doesn't work for me because I can't load my own ROMS onto PC, I have to download other people's ROM rips, which is flat out piracy.

If you can find me a cart off-loader for less then $300 fine, because the Retron being only $60 is a much better selling point right now.

>>3027494
why do you care about piracy so much?
its only resellers that gets profit from old cartridges being sold

seriously

Alright. I don't think i'm painting a clear enough picture so heres this.

I live on ground level of whats basically a reconstructed farm my family owns. My bedroom was originally a coop, so its got no power outlets or wiring, all my wires come from a storage room next door thats got the generator in it. So when I say hardwired, I mean the cables extend through the walls and such to reach the next room over.

The sitting room (Or living room for non southerners) is across from the building and part of the main farmhouse, where the kitchen and the other folks bedrooms are top level.

The retron (purple) would go here, its got its own wiring and electrical power, so it wouldn't be an issue.

So its not as easy as you folks think to unwire the mess and move it over back and forth. I told you, house is pretty outta date..

>>3027494
>which is flat out piracy.

Turns out the only people wanting a retron are deluded fucks like yourself. Newsflash, dumping ROMs is piracy, no matter how strong do you feel about it, backups were never allowed, you're using your game for a reason other than its intended purpose.

On the other side of the coin, downloading ROMs is hardly piracy because most of the time you're not hurting anyone because most of the times it's legit abadonware.

>>3027494
Yes, this is what I meant when I said "ridiculous premise"

You might not be self-aware of your madness, but every other soul looking at this post is shaking their head in confusion.

>>3027564
So you're saying I should just spend another $200 and buy all three consoles again? That seems like an even dumber idea as well as a more expensive one!

>>3027537

Second sets of cables should be a good compromise?
Then you only have to unplug the consoles with controllers and carry them to the other room, the cables stay where they are.

>>3027592
I'd rather not carry em period. the drawing doesnt do the gap justice, its about a 500 yard walk back to the farmhouse. Its not bad, but its more work then necesarry.

>>3027583
No, that's not what I'm saying.

>>3027537
>I live on a farm

Is this fucking bait? Nobody lives on a farm in this day and age.

I've heard recently that there have been issues with the retron power supply catching fire. How can I prevent this from happening?

>>3027815
Tell your wife to contact the local fire department. they'll love her!

>>3026614

System-on-a-chip implementations are not ARM processors. They're ASICs that replicate the target console's circuitry at the transistor level.

It's like what you can do with an FPGA core, only ASICs are far cheaper to produce in bulk because while the fab startup cost is high, the per-unit cost is tiny.

By contrast the Retron5 does have an ARM processor, and runs software emulators.

>>3027821
I would had she not died from lead poisoning. :(

>>3027815
>I'm so lazy I can't find a picture of fire on google images to fit my comment, so let me use a fire pokemon instead

I get you're from /vp/ but cmon dude. Effort?

>>3027608

Just get the Retron 3. Compatibility and utility is good enough for entertaining company and it doesn't have emulator latency issues.

Full disclosure:
I have a Retron 5. I don't use it to play games on. I didn't even buy it to play games on. Its entire purpose in life is as a multi-cartridge SRAM reader/writer because I refurb carts and do battery swaps for people on the side. I back up the save, take out the old hardwired cell, put in a battery holder with a new cell, restore the old save and give the cart back along with an email containing the extracted save file if requested.

It's too bad the 5 is fucking awful for actually playing games on.

>>3027847
Thats pretty neat anon. What do you normally charge for your services?

>>3027868

$10ea for nes/snes/genesis carts.
$15ea for gb/gbc, because they're fiddly and the low-profile battery holders are oddly expensive.
I could probably get away with charging anything I want for Pokemon carts, honestly.

I work out discounts for multiple carts since there's less time wasted if I can do many in a single batch.

>>3025546
I have a V. I have lost save data on a cart but for me it was related to quick saving on the Retron. Example- I saved on cart only to load a quick save before the hard save on the cart.
Besides this I enjoy it. I have a fairly large collection and find it a convenient tool.

>>3027175

>>3027909
>low-profile battery holders
Those actually exist?
I always figured I'd be soldering batteries directly when it comes time to replace batteries on my GB/GBC carts.

>>3027538
>spaceshifting is piracy
RIAA pls go

>>3025386
It grips your carts and can damage them.

It's already an emulator so you may as well PC emulate. Or get a console like the Wii that can emulate a ton of shit. They'd both be higher quality than owning a Retron.

Just get an Nvidia Shield TV and appropriate cartridge readers for you cartridges. Will be a lot more flexible.

>>3028135
that looks even sketchier then the retron

>>3028272
At least it doesn't have a tendency to erase saved games like the retron.

>>3027583

No you retard, just hook up a computer to your TV. Don't even phones have good, free emulators? You don't even need a fucking computer or laptop then.

>>3028272
It's better than the Retron. All it does is reads your carts via USB and lets you rip the ROM and SRAM for use in any PC emulator you want. Better than being forced into Retron's stolen emulators with limited options.

>>3028295
But a PC cant play my carts, so what good is that?

>>3027175
100% honest question here. When did you discover 4chan?

>>3028406

It doesn't matter. The data on the cart is the same data in a rom you can download online. There is no difference between the rom and the cart, they are the exact same in every way possible.

>>3028438
We like the games. It's cool to own the game, but if you have a good controller, emulation is good enough 99.9% of the time.

>>3025386
>Can I get a legitimate, No-wife-meme breakdown on why the Retron is bad?

Shoddy construction, unconfortable controllers that make a CLACKCLACKLACKLACK noise whenever you play and the console has been reported of suffering overheating issues during long playing sessions, so it's a fucking fire hazard on top of all bad things it suffers of.

Your best choice is purchasing an used laptop, a good cable and one or two controllers to have your own emulation device at a fraction of the Retron's cost and space.

The only people who keep fighting against this are retron shills.

>>3028406
Yes it can. See: >>3028135
Retrode is literally a USB adapter for real carts. Lets you legally pull the ROM and save file off the cart for your own use on PC or whatever else you want.

To give you the info you're really looking for, though, the Retron 5 is shit for a plethora of reasons. A lot of people never say them because they're just shitting on it to be trendy, but it really is shit. Let me list some off for you:

>It originally shipped with emulators using stolen code, and they had to replace them with shittier emulators after they got called out.

>It's literally just a very small, low-power Android device. The emulation quality is expectedly subpar, with speedhacks that work alright for the most popular games and various problems for everything else.

>Its ability to read cartridges is seemingly random. A game that works perfectly on your real system might never work at all on Retron 5 or crash right in the middle of the game. On top of all that, faulty cartridge ports are a very common problem with Retron 5.

>It's been known to randomly erase save files. Don't stick anything into the Retron 5 that contains save files that are valuable to you. In fact, you should get something like a Retrode and back that shit up soon before the internal battery dies out (if it's a system that uses SRAM batteries).

>None of its video scaling options are good. It can't even get nearest-neighbor integer scaling right; you end up with uneven pixels no matter your resolution. PC emulators obviously have a ton of options that let you get around this and get the perfect picture, but Retron restricts you to a small set of shitty options.

>Input lag, no matter what your setup is. You can use original wired controllers while connected to a very low-latency display and you will still get some noticeable input lag.

I'm running out of characters, but this should give you a good enough idea. Best of luck to you in your retro setup quest.

>>3028530
>Purchase a used laptop
>At a fraction of the retrons price

Good one.

>>3028537
>though, the Retron 5 is shit for a plethora of reasons

Geez, how many times do I have to correct you people.. I want the retron ""3"" Trio, Tres, T-H-R-E-E

I have NO interest in the 5.

>>3028565
with the added benefit it's good for something else other than gaming

>>3028568
They are the same. Why people are acting like it's not an emulator is beyond me.

>>3028568
They were already talking about the 3.

If you just want to shill that fucking electric death trap just say so instead of keep making threads to ask questions and then keep fighting against all the answers you get.

>>3028568
Oh, my mistake.

In that case, even simpler to explain: Retron 3 has shit compatibility, shit build quality, shit accuracy, and the worst controllers I have ever had the displeasure of placing my hands on. Only a good option if you have absolutely no other solution for playing your games.

I've read that the Super Retro Trio is marginally better (and at least comes with an actually decent clone of the SNES controller), but it has all the same usual problems that clone systems have.

>>3028572
Not for $300 its not

>>3028579
>>3028580
He specifically stated 5. we've already discussed how different the 3 and 5 are in this thread. 3 doesnt offload carts, it reads them as is.

>>3028585
I want to believe you but with a response like that, it just sounds like you're being bitter.

The retron is made out of plastic containing BPA, and is unsafe to handle with your bare hands for prolonged periods of time. This includes the controllers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A

>>3028579
It's "beyond you" that people are interested in the differences between clone chips and software emulation?

>>3028602
So wear gloves?

>>3028617
Yes, which oddly makes the stiff controllers more usable.

>>3028121

SMT holders. 20mm or 16mm dia, depending on the cart.

>>3028135
>>3028354
>no NES adapter
>$60 for a glorified 2-way card reader

>>3028608

They're both inaccurate copies of the original. The only difference is that one of them is free.

>>3028821
>Free

Sure, if you're a dirty pirate.

>>3029226

Who cares if some reseller doesn't get money?

>>3029239
>>3029239
Are you seriously that brash?

Pirating is pirating. its not about who gets money its about breaking the damned law

>>3029254

You aren't going to get arrested for downloading roms, stop being a retard.

>>3029263
And that makes it any less of a crime how?

>You won't get punished, so its okay!

Do you even listen to yourself? Crime is crime and shame on whatever parents you had for not teaching you right from wrong.

That is literally the most little kid mentality i've ever seen here on /vr/.

"Lets peek up cindy's skirt, if we don't get caught it's okay!"

>>3029254

Awww, so cute. May I cuddle you? :3

>>3029271

I can't tell if this is a troll or if there are people on /vr/ that are this retarded.

>>3027175

>>3029285
Call it what you want, but you're the troll here.

Does pirating /harm/ anyone? No. But you act as if it isn't even a crime, which it is. Crime is crime, no matter how small the offense, so don't try to justify it by saying you're doing nothing wrong, because you are.

Its black and white. there is no grey area with crime.

Why do I even have to explain this on /vr/ OF ALL PLACES? I figured you guys would be better then this, but you really are just /v/ with retro games. Child mentaility and all.

>>3029315
>I figured you guys would be better then this, but you really are just /v/ with retro games. Child mentaility and all.

Welcome to the weekend.

>>3025360

i can smell the plastic all the way over here.

>>3029254
What's that? Are you being charged for unauthorized sellings of copyrighted second hand goods not endorsed by Nintendo itself? You're in violation of 10 different EULA regulations, you've earned the disgrace of your people, and have been immediately revoked of your certified retrogamer™ card, and thus lost any right to legally partake in our hobby. Sorry kid, better get accustomed to new games 'cause that's all you're going to legitimately play.

>>3029315
https://torrentfreak.com/software-piracy-hurts-linux-adoption-research-finds-160221/

>>3027494
>piracy.
no one told him that the hardware is also patented
HAHHH look at him and laugh everyone

you are already sinning in thought even if you're pretending to be a customer while shiling emulators that require carts.

there's nothing convenient about it, even disregarding ROMs, as you will need another set of controllers, so its pretty much a $60 USD raspberry Pi that you cannot configure and that display badly scaled up images in all sorts of ratio distortions and some bluryness

>>3029315

>laws are the ultimate moral authority

You gotta be a troll. No way someone actually thinks like this.

>>3029381
Except a raspberry pi can't play carts, so it does me no good.

>>3025360

I'm glad they're buying this crap. The more they buy this crap, the more they find out it's crap. The more they drop out of the hobby altogether, and the more prices stop rising from retards who are buying up classic vidya to be "le retro vintage kewl xD"

>>3029315
Okay Rorschach.

>>3029586

Not him, but this comment always bothers me here. Are people really this jaded about youngsters interested in our hobby?

I'll admit, I didnt get to play much vidya as a kid, I had ultra religious parents who took one look at the NES, called it a Devil's box and bought the whole "Pokemon is the devil" spiel when I was in middle school.

Is it wrong I just want to make up for lost time and enjoy something I didnt get to enjoy then?

>>3029620
Did you even read his post? He has nothing against genuine enthusiast as you may very well be. He's just bashing hipsters which, differently from you, are willing to put up with the absurd market disparity we are in right now because they don't know any better and just want to grab the goods.

>>3025429
You must have some very serious marital issues

Retrons are made in sweatshops in China! Please don't support these people.

>>3028617
Or simply don't buy something that is a certified health hazard?

>>3029226
>Sure, if you're a dirty pirate.
The Retron uses stolen emulators, so by supporting it, you are also supporting piracy.

>>3029659
So you're fine with letting all those Chinese laborers starve to death, then?

Because if we boycotted every corporation that used "sweatshop" labor, that's exactly what would happen... dumbass.

>>3029678
So wear gloves, and a gas mask.

>>3029680
But the games arent stolen and thats all that matters. The retron itself is no less legal then the PCP station or the Mega console chinese knockoffs

>>3029772
>The retron itself is no less legal then the PCP station or the Mega console chinese knockoffs
It uses stolen emulation code.

>>3029801
So do they.

Retrons are known to induce epileptic seizures in certain people.

>>3029827
Piracy is piracy no matter who's behind it.

So, the Retron is evil and so is anyone who keeps supporting it.

>>3029754
Or he could just not purchase it in the first place.

>>3029454
Not that guy, but some of us do. We were raised in a different time than you anon. I was far from this entitlement generation and nonsense. I have my loads of money and portfolio to show for it.

>>3027175

>>3025463
Buy a Yobo or a Gamerz Tek NES clone, they are like literally $20 on amazon and work with most games.

>>3026610
It's 3 shitty hardware clones in a case, it's not running android like the Retron 5.

>>3026614
You're a fucking idiot if you think that's true. Did you do all your research on Reddit or something?

I'm noticing half of this thread doesn't even understand what the differences between the retron are. Which makes them horrible judges on the subject.

Its like they only latch onto it for the meme and the hatred it insights here just for laughs. A shame really. I'd expect people to at least know what they're talking about instead of parroting false info.

>>3030331
Hey shill, how's the wife doing?

>>3030356
Exhibit A.

>>3030413
> Talking like a fucking cartoon

>>3030435
Note how Exhibit A continues to prove my point with his childish behavior, and lack of punctuation,and grammar.

>>3029827
>two wrongs make a right

By your logic, pirating games isn't immoral because I can point out other people (and companies) that do it.

If it's okay to pirate emulator software, then it's okay to pirate games. You can't refute this.

>>3030450
But you're not pirating emulator software, China did that for you, so they're at fault. If you buy the product its not on you for its uses. You're just an unfortunate casualty of the chinese market. Its not like you can return it after all.

>>3026726
>Just blowing your cart might actually damage your cart because you might spit a little on it
I can blow without spitting. Yes, human breath has moisture in it, but probably not significantly more than the air around you.

I'm noticing half of this thread doesn't even understand some fucker is some next-level trolling to find the most ridiculous yet plausible caveat to why anyone should own brand new overrated, overpriced clone hardware. Which makes them horrible people to reason with.
Its like he only latches onto it for the laughs and the memes it insights here just for hatred. A shame really. I'd expect people to at least know who they're talking to instead of not reporting this stupid excuse for a thread.

>>3030459
Exhibit B, The counter troll who thinks he's funny for copying text and slightly editing it for his own amusement to fit his standing. He is probably giggling like a mad man, thinking he's clever right now.

>>3030453
>But you're not pirating emulator software, China did that for you, so they're at fault
Uh, no. If you buy something knowing that it's pirated, then you're a party to the crime. In like, every civilized country and America this is the case.

Otherwise, I could just go download a bunch of roms from a Chinese romsite and say "I didn't pirate these games, China did :^)"

>>3030458
if you're going to blow, you're going to need spit

>>3030448
> Arguing on the internet

Please tell me how is that paying your bills, giving you health and finding your true love in the real world, anon.

>>3030506
Son, I got all that over a decade ago when i was over the hill. All I have is free time on weekends.

>Bills
>On a farm

Right, you pay for your services. we work for em. and we dont get no monthlies. Money isnt a problem either when you make 3k in proceeds a month

>>3030513
So the Retron's sweatshop is on a farm?

>>3025360
I DO NOT LIKE THIS
IT'S A GOOD THING /VR/ EXISTS SO I CAN FIND OTHERS WHO DO NOT LIKE IT LIKE MYSELF

>>3030576
That thing is shit.
It's a good thing /vr/ exists so we could warn others about how crappy it is so they woon't buy that piece of crap.

Purchase a second hand dual core laptop, install a fresh XP copy on it, load it with roms and emulators, buy a TV cable and one or two generic usb controllers.

Cheaper, safer, way more accurate, can be updated and takes up a fraction of the space used by the Retron 3 and the carts it needs to work.

>>3030594
>A fraction of space

You keep saying this like we don't have the room for carts. Its one fucking bookshelf. MAYBE two. If you don't have room for that in your entire house, you've got serious problems.

Then again most of the populace here are in college dormrooms still, so its to be expected they'd whine about space.

>>3030594
None of what you posted is anything new to someone who browses /vr.
The fact that all they had to do was make the Retron 3 blue to trigger /vr/ into plastering it onto the front page is marketing genius.

>>3030594
>Purchase a second hand dual core laptop, install a fresh XP copy on it, load it with roms and emulators, buy a TV cable and one or two generic usb controllers
>poorfag /vr/ starter kit
>get your cred to post on /vr/ today!

>>3030543
No, actually the main factory was built on what was once wetlands and panda habitat.

>>3030986

>>3025386
Wii:
> the only game that I've played that didn't work right is fucking Top Gun
> every game ever that I can hold on one SD card
> simple to use menus with good options
> individual emulators for each console or Retroarch if you're a faggot
> Wiimote as Zapper, Superscope, Justifier or Sega Menacer support--top that shit, Retron
> as many players as the game can support
> can use Wiimotes, Classic Controller, nunchuck, even GameCube controllers
> can also play Sega CD, GBA, TG-16, and other consoles
> GB emulators had rad Super Game Boy support including borders and colourisation
> Outputs in RCA, RGB or even SCART while letting you choose what resolution to play at, allowing your games to possibly look even better than they would on real hardware

Retron:
-You can use your carts if that's something you give a fuck about, I guess

>>3031969
> the only game that I've played that didn't work right is fucking Top Gun
Try using the powerglove
> every game ever that I can hold on one SD card
See this right here is what you don't understand. I don't want or NEED every game. Who does? I play my games not collect them and show them off. 10 good games is fine.
> simple to use menus with good options
Arguable. Plus you have to hack a wii, thats worse then just buying a retron. You are physically hacking the console.
> Wiimote as Zapper, Superscope, Justifier or Sega Menacer support--top that shit, Retron
Only through homebrew, which again, is illegal. You tote this like the wii does it by default. False advertising much?
> as many players as the game can support
All you need is 2 max.
> can use Wiimotes, Classic Controller, nunchuck, even GameCube controllers
> can also play Sega CD, GBA, TG-16, and other consoles
> GB emulators had rad Super Game Boy support including borders and colourisation
All homebrew. not nintendo wii. Your argument is like saying "Buy this cardboard box, you can go into space with it because I attatched a rocket and cut out holes."
>> Outputs in RCA, RGB or even SCART while letting you choose what resolution to play at, allowing your games to possibly look even better than they would on real hardware
Retron has the hookups for that to begin with, Wii is only Composite.

Retron 1 you 0

>>3031979
>You are physically hacking the console

Lmao, even 10 year olds can softmod a wii.

>>3031979
So your argument against doing something illegal (modding a Wii) is to purchase a product with stolen intellectual property (also illegal).

Wii 1, Retron 0, and you're a shithead.

>>3027271
>I'm fine emulating if its my own devices.
>I'm fine emulating if I had to pay for the emulator.
fixed that for you

>>3031979
You are either insane or a super shill

If you're so deep in a ditch of moralfaggotry that you absolutely MUST dump your own carts to feel good about playing them, how do you feel about >>3032123 's point? He's right, you know.

Just play the ROM on a Wii and put the cartridge on top of the console if you're seriously this retarded. Goddamn hypocrite

If you want a hardware clone, get a Retro Trio, by modding a chip for NES you can get 100% compatibility with everything on all 3 systems. Although if you use the Everdrive N8 you won't need the new chip.

Just go buy the damn thing if you're so dead set on buying it anyway
why are you asking us if you reject absolutely any advice otherwise out of hand?

>>3030998

Blade Runner?

>>3027845
you're an idiot

>>3025360
I would get one of these if they had ports for the original controllers.
Anything like that exists?

>>3032123

Not to detract from your argument but holy shit am I ever glad I live in a country where intellectual "property" is not a thing. That is some serious Farenheit 451 shit right there.

You already have copyright and trademark laws to deal with creator's rights. There is no "IP". Ideas and thoughts are not property no matter what buzzwords you witless fucks want to stick to it.

>doing something illegal (modding a Wii)

If you live in a genuinely progressive country, you still have fair use rights and nothing like the US DMCA. Short of putting people in actual danger modifying your own property is legal. Emulators are legal. Archival copies or alternate formats for personal use of content you've already licensed are also legal. You do not accept unreasonable restrictions on your rights.

I already paid for my game cartridges and keep them safe in storage while I play said games on flash carts and emulators, all fair use.

What the fuck happened to you Americans?

>>3035471
>not testing /vr/ for counter-shill arguments

If you can sell it here, you can sell it anywhere.

>>3037315
FF3/6.

>>3031979
>Retron has the hookups for that to begin with, Wii is only Composite.
??? Maybe if you bought one of those stripped down mini-wiis, but the normal one can do component and s-video just fine.

>>3025386
>That's not very comfortable for anyone but me

PC + emulator + wireless 360 controller adapter + a handful of 360 controllers. Comfortable solid emulation for up to four people and from anywhere in the room.

>>3038053
Except that nobody wants to buy it for reasons posted all over this thread.

The only "arguments" I always see to shill this electric death trap is "Muh pure gaming experience" and "Muh wife" repeated over and over again for months.

I want to play Earthbound.

> Anon is a clever man. He downloads the rom and a good emulator to play Earthbound for free and without any technical limitations.

> Goofus pays $399.95 for an used Earthbound cart that may or not may work with the Retron, and may or may not trigger the game's in-built anti piracy measures.

>>3025360
fuck americans

why not use raspberri pi emulator
like its the better one, looks exactly like the nes as well, just needs a little bit of work, saves a lot from cart money

http://imgur.com/gallery/o5vjL

>>3039135
Why not just install emulators in the very same computer or mobile device you are using in this very same moment.

As if emulating 8 and 16 bit consoles could tax your machine's performance at all.

>>3031979
>Try using the powerglove
that's implying the power glove works to begin with

>>3039337
That also implies having to spend extra money chasing and purchasing an overpriced glove that you will only use for a single game.

On the other hand, you can just use an emulator to play the rom version and pay nothing.

>>3039131
>all these exclusions
>still ships to Mexico

>>3025360
My wife's son loves it.