/vr/ - Retro Games

Was excited when I got a notification on Craigslist for a PVM 20L5. $650. I mean, it's in nice condition, but wow, I wasn't prepared for that price.

>>3009914
There is nothing even remotely video games about this thread and it should be moved to /g/ or something.

>>3010183
/g/ hates CRT
so i dont think it would go over well there

>>3010183
You must be new.

>>3010190
le ebin "you must be new" meme
you sure got me good
ha ha!

How should i request from my seller that my BVM be packaged?

coming through usps

thanks

>>3010197
You complained like you have literally never seen a CRT thread on here before or otherwise don't understand how it is relevant to playing old games. In either case you'd likely be new here.

>>3010197
Ha ha now I bet you're wondering what yoshis eggs smell like

>>3010183
>Picture of Turtles in Time in OP
>There is nothing even remotely video games about this thread

>>3010198
don't do it anon, let it go

>>3010183
This is practically copy and pasted from a while back. I think he's trying tostada a movement

I bought a Mitsubishi Megaview, and while the BNC inputs work fine I can't get a signal from either composite input. Do these presentation monitors need anything special to get synced or is there likely just something wrong with it?

My Super NES only accepts RF output for some reason. Whenever I hook the Super NES into the TV (a SHARP CRT), the image is all messed up. I used the same composite cables on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube and they worked fine. Is there anyway to fix this?

If I get a CRT can I hook my PC up to it somehow and emulate games? Or will I have to get a Wii or something and emulate all my games that way.

>>3009914
No subject title? Let other people make /crt/.


Not like it matters, fags only fag it up now...
What was once my favorite thread is shit.

It's why I stopped posting pics

>>3010725
Get a crt monitor, then hook it up through a DVI to VGA adapter.

>>3010729
Will a CRT monitor display my games as clean as a CRT TV? Note I want to play old console games on the SNES/PS1, etc.

>>3010732
Yeah, CRT monitors generally display through VGA, which is basically an RGB cord, just as clean as any CRT television, if not more so.

>>3010737
The problem is I also want a CRT TV so I can play Melee on my Wii without any input lag. Is there really no way to hook up a CRT TV to my PC?

>>3010739
You could get something like http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-DVI-I24-5-Male-to-3-RCA-Female-Connector-Converter-Adapter-Black-SY-AU-/252199484416?hash=item3ab842bc00:g:wdwAAOSwnH1WYloT

There are converter boxes to S video too, you really don't want composite though.

>>3010739
If you get a component to VGA box the Wii can hook up to the monitor as well as the PC. If you're only transcoding there's no lag, and you can play in glorious progressive scan rather than 480i. The only downside to this setup is if you're playing a game that doesn't support 480p there will be lag and artifacts from deinterlacing.

>>3010765
Component cables are super rare and expensive for the Gamecube, you're better off getting a scart converter/cords.

>>3010770
wait, misread that as gamecube not wii, disregard I suck cocks.

>>3010625
Did you change the input to one of the video channels? At least for mine, there are two video channels and two RGB channels, each with their own set of inputs(video 1 is a composite/s-video, video 2 is composite only).

Also make sure you don't have the termination switch set to High-Z; Unlike with the RGB inputs, it seems much less willing to accept an "improperly" termination signal.

>>3010727
Weenie

>>3010732
You won't be able to play your SNES or PS1 on a PC monitor without some sort of upscaling/linedoubling going on.

>>3010749
That is a passive adapter and will do no sort of signal conversion what so ever. The only real use it would get is perhaps feeding an projector with DVI-I inputs that somehow takes Component over the RGB pins.

>>3010765
For the the Wii, so long as you're running it in 480p, a transcoder will work wonderfully with a PC monitor, but you want to try to avoid ones that also scale the image, and I believe the 1 pictured is one of them.
Anything stuck to 480i would have the same as the SNES/PS1 above.

>>3010674
Can we get a pic of the screen plus a pic of the cable

>>3010776
>but you want to try to avoid ones that also scale the image, and I believe the 1 pictured is one of them
My apologies, I thought those Chinese boxes only transcode if you set the output to 640x480.
>High-Z
This worked, I got an image! Thanks man. Unfortunately there is definitely something wrong with the unit... the image shakes and flicks on and off. It only does it on the composite inputs... I also hear a high pitched whine only when it's on these inputs... so there's got to be a separate circuit for these with something gone bad. Flyback transformer maybe? I don't really know much about this stuff.

>>3010172
Yeah, that's what they're starting to go for all right.

Also, if anyone sees a 20L5 go up on ebay in the next week from a company called "Hi-Tech Enterprises" in Florida, don't buy it. There's something wrong with the sync circuit (possibly needs recapping, but I don't know) and the tube is worn as shit

I bought it from them at a semi-reasonably offer of $400. They offered me a refund of $150 after I told them about the issues, but they wouldn't go any higher, so I just returned it. They may end up putting it back up for even lower, but be warned. The tube is VERY tired. Weak blacks, fuzzy edges, banding and ghosting like a motherfucker.

>>3010806
While messing around with the NES yesterday, I actually did notice a bit of a high whine that I don't believe had happened previously. Have you tried different consoles?

Think you could be a bit more specific about how it flickers? As in, is it the whole image? Jittery pixels? Does the monitor actually start to go back to its "Stand By" blue screen or what have you?

>>3010739
>Is there really no way to hook up a CRT TV to my PC?
It can be done if your graphics card can send out a 240p or 480i signal. I don't know how you go about setting up custom modes on Windows or OSX, but on Linux you would add the following lines to xorg.conf:

Modeline "640x240_60" 12.312 640 662 719 784 240 244 247 262 -hsync -vsync

Modeline "640x480_60i" 12.336 640 662 720 784 480 488 494 525 interlace -hsync -vsync


You will also need something that can transcode RGB to something your TV can accept.

>>3010894
I made a webm that shows it off. Basically the image wobbles, shakes and shuts on and off... not just disappearing and reappearing but making that click hum noise it usually makes when started up.

>>3010789
I tried out different composite cables on the Super NES (all first party Nintendo cables) and I get the same results on all of them, so it's a problem with the console itself, not the connection.

>>3011106
Did you turn the input to high? Because you weren't supposed to.

>>3011420
It was on high. I set it to low and it behaves the same.

>>3011114
Picture then please

>>3010198
bump

>>3010729
>>3010737
>>3010749
>>3010765
we sure have a lot of new people
stop spreading misinformation
>>3010776
>>3010992
thank you
you're the only two who replied that knew what they were talking about

>>3010198
~100 feet of bubble wrap, and double boxed.
Also, the first box is also bubble wrapped

I'm not really joking either.

I've heard good things about having it taken somewhere to have it encased in expanding foam, but whether they'd actually be willing to do that is another question.

How large of a BVM is it?

>>3011106
Strange; Does it have an S-Video input as well? Does it behave the same way?

That honestly looks like a mixture of a sync problem my SNES was having with my Megaview at one point and a weird grounding+sync issue I was having with the second RGB input at one point.

If you don't mind me asking, which specific model is it? These are 20-30 year old monitors we're talking about, and with all the various PCBs inside, something starting to go sour wouldn't be too surprising..

>>3012061
i was looking at a BVM but now im set on a 17 inch ikegami
weighs about 50 pounds
my last one was a 13 inch BVM that weighed 70 pounds and it has some small discoloration on the corner i think is from getting banged around in shipping

ill ask the seller to double box with bubble wrap in both
dont want to end up with discoloration (its not bad its just like a scratch i cant itch) like last time

>>3012087
Completely understandable. I actually had a 14 inch PVM from the slightest knock caused by taking a turn onto a highway a tad too sharp.

When I say 100 feet, that really isn't an exaggeration. An absolute shitload of the stuff if you want it properly padded.

>>3012101
wow
kind of worried about telling the seller i want it wrapped in 100 feet of bubble wrap haha

>>3012161
If you want to be less blunt, I'd got with "several layers" of bubble wrap.

>>3012061
No bubble wrap, quad wall boxes with filler spray foam. That's how TV's are typically shipped.

>>3012209
That's what that expanding foam suggestion was for.

Also, I was just sharing how I received mine: An absolute fuckton of bubble wrap, cling wrap, and double boxed with more bubble wrap padding that.

>>3012220
>>3012209
should i suggest they remove the input cards before shipping?

>>3012261
No, that's just silly.

>>3012061
It's a Mitsubishi XC-3315, and while it does have an S-Video input I don't have a cable for it yet.

This is a question for RGB/component aficionados:

How much do you think a 1-chip 03 NTSC SNES is worth? How much would you be willing to pay for one? I'm looking into a sale and I need a criteria to evaluate whether or not I should dish out the money. Also, how much would it cost me to get a good video signal out of it? Will it really look very good in a PVM in order to justify the effort and money? There's also a very cheap and easy component SNES mod that requires the oldest SNES model and it seems to yield great results, so I'm really torn between it.

>>3012920
I got mine for just short of 100 aus dollars from japan. Was easy to mod if you have half decent soldering skills. The general picture is streets ahead of standard and really tightens up the signal although I can still see some faint interference and the vert. line effect but If I was using a consumer tv I wouldn't see it. there is apparently a more complex mod to remove this as well although it requires building/buying a circuit board. Haven't tried it but I would guess the component mod you're talking about fundamentally wouldn't change the signal quality.

Pic is something I took of the jr. running RGB on a BVM-2010P

>>3013065
and this

>>3013065
The component mod requires a very specific chip so it only works with there two models: SNS-CPU-GPM-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-02

The 1-Chip 03 SNES I have my eyes on is going for 15 dollars, but it has the "black screen of death" and sometimes it gives a red screen, however, it turns on. For the price, I figure it may be worth it to try fixing it, because otherwise it's almost mint: no yellowing, the PCB is impeccable and there's no sign of any damage on it. The thing is, I only have a standard consumer set, but where I live I can get a 14' PVM for about 80 dollars. Would you be able to tell me if there's a difference in the composite video quality of the 1 chip and the other models? Or is it only really noticeable with high grade signals (rgb or component)?

>>3013121
15 is a really good deal as mine is yellow! I only glanced at the composite picture before doing the mod but it did look really good on my14 inch pvm. I can't use my bvm as it only has a pal card

You can almost taste the subpixels.

>>3014638

Shit game from shit trilogy spotted.

>>3014656
Shit poster with shit tastes spotted.

I'm learning Japanese and there are a few older games I want to give a go for practice but because of the lower resolution of the text it can be harder to distinguish the radicals of some of the more complex characters. Would playing on a CRT help here as opposed to playing on an LCD?

>>3014709
If you use an upscaler that would help but if you're using just an LCD with no scaling, yes a CRT will provide you better clarity with say text, so long as you avoid RF and maybe even composite if possible.

>>3014638
what the fuck is the point of posting pictures this high res and close? it looks like a fucking lite brite

>>3014767
We need to go deeper.

>>3014787
Why are you posting plasma in /crt/?

>>3014793
Shadow mask/slot mask.

>>3014809
gg

I mean, who doesn't like a bit of high-res cock and dong every now and again?

>sub pixels
DPC
Delicious Phosphor Coat

With ever rising prices begins the death of our hobby. I hope you hoarded all the monitors you'll ever want when they were affordable. There's still some more I'd like but that dream is dead.

>>3015285
>JVC DTV 17" with RGB card
>4h away
>600€
>37" mitsu
>9h away
>300€
suffering

How is the PC monitor market doing? Surely there are less people who want nice CAD monitors than people who want RGB monitors to play their NES on.

>>3015304
no theres quite a few of them too

not to mention almost all CRT PC monitors 19 inches and less have trash resolutions

people on ebay dont want to ship the big 22s or they def know what theyve got

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-GDM-FW900-24-TRINITRON-WIDESCREEN-PRO-DISPLAY-/272037179474?hash=item3f56adf052:g:ilQAAOSwYHxWOxM2
this is depressing

>>3015349
>not to mention almost all CRT PC monitors 19 inches and less have trash resolutions
What does it matter? For retro gaming you don't need anything more than 640x480.

>>3015292
Get dat mitsu if you have a big car

Not crt so no pics but i picked up a cheap extron 300 rgb to dvi/hdmi upscaler for use with 480p stuff but hooked up the xrgb 3 running b1 with max scanlines and set the extron to output 1200p

Mfw it looks incredible, extron ads a frame so less total lag than a mini and actual scanlines at 1200p

>>3015358
dude, a round trip will clock at 18hours. Gas will add something like 100€ more... And 300 is still too much even for a 37 mitsu

>>3015361
Thought 9 hrs there and back

If pickings are slim 300 might not be too much

>>3015356
im sure they didnt make nice CAD monitors with such low resolutions

im not sure if upscaling to 480p would look much better than upscaling to 1200 or 1440p

>>3015358
ive heard of similar setups
but ive wondered how does the extron rgb benefit the XRGB?

>>3015349
Lol the seller is the biggest fw900 shill ever but he does convergence geometry and white balance adjustments on thw fw900's

One sold recently for 150 local pickup in tx so its still possible to find these for a decent price

>>3015373
>im not sure if upscaling to 480p would look much better than upscaling to 1200 or 1440p
Do PC monitors always force an upscale to 480p? I've never used one for retro gaming.

>>3015378

Xrgb is a fantastic linedoubler to 480p(2ms lag), it also has an upscale mode with no scanlines (aprox 20ms lag)

Using the extron and xrgb3 together I get under 20ms lag and full scanlines at 1200p

Thst being said a crt is still king for me due to how smooth it is during sidescrollers etc

>>3015356
There's nothing wrong with having higher resolutions as an option though. Yeah I use 640x480 for DOS games but there are later retro games that won't render to my primary monitor's resolution so I'll play them at 1600x1200 on my CAD monitor. Also I use it as a secondary running 1600x1200 all the time for normal computing.

>>3015395
what does the extron do in that setup though?

>>3015395
Sorry thought it was more clear

It lets me take the 480p linedoubled image with scanlines and the extron upscales it to 1200p with little additional lag.

The xrgb 3 could do the same but it would result in no scanlines and a bit more lag

The xrgb mini could upscale to 1080p but the scanlines look like crap at that res.

So tldr it lets me get take the 240p rgb signal and display it on an hdmi/dvi monitor/tv upscaled to just about any res with nearly perfect scanlines with little lag to boot

I posted a pic of the xrgb 3 in b0 mode with an slg on the fw900 in the last thread and the scanlines were too thin and not nearly dark enough to look authentic, with this setup I get something similar but it looks much better.

>>3015483
oh i see i see
i wasnt familiar with the old XRGB

>>3015285
I've got 20 monitors in a room.
I control the spice

Anyone know if Sharp is a decent brand for CRTs?

>>3015685
Yes. Generally the most desired model.

>>3015716
>cracker
Er.... probably fine for a consumer set, but Sony or Panasonic would probably be better.

Fun

>>3015395
>Thst being said a crt is still king for me due to how smooth it is during sidescrollers etc

the xrgb doesn't scroll smoothly?

>>3014767
What if I told you that retro games are best played on a lite brite?

>>3016975
He probably means lack of sample-and-hold blur. CRT style flicker is the only way to get sharp looking motion from 60fps content.

Can a Japanese Super Famicom have the 1-Chip? Do they produce good RGB?

>>3017105
yes
yes

you can use the lion king to id a 1 chip

>>3017105
cool image + I want to know the answer to this too

What's the best way to not die if I have to open up a PVM?

On a 20L5, is min or 50 considered "neutral" for contrast? I thought it was 50 until I realized that the neutral/middle setting for brightness is 0. Is it ideal to keep it closer to min or closer to 50 if I'm trying to get the most accurate picture?

>>3017151
for what and which pvm

>>3009914
How do you guys take pictures of your monitors?
I'm using my phone camera, (my only option), and every time I take a pic it turns out awful.

I found my old n64 and ps2 and decided to restore them but realized it would cost a small fortune to set them up with the best image quality on a LCD. So, is it worth to get a CRT for them?
How is the general experience of playing on a CRT compared to playing on a LCD? It is been so long ago that i don't even remember anymore.

>>3017490
get a 4:3 sony trinitron that does 480p over component and has svideo, use component with the ps2 for 480p, 480i and even 240p ps1 games and svideo for the n64

>>3017507
>suggesting playing 240p on HDCRT
not cool bro

>>3017507
>480p
so PVM L5 and BVM D or A series?
i dont think anon wants to pay 200-400 dollars

>>3017350
there should be factory defaults listed in the service manual

>>3017695
or a load of consumer trinis produced in the twilight of crts that support 480p?

>>3017753
>or a load of consumer trinis produced in the twilight of crts that support 480p?
Too bad they upscale and lag

What do I need to know before working on arcade monitors? I'm going to get a cap kit to see if it fixes the issues I'm having, but I'd rather not die. I know to get a thick screwdriver and some heavy gauge wire and ground it to the frame and discharge under the suction cup, but is it safe to touch after doing that? I've fucked around with pretty much any electronic device except crt so I want to make sure I dont fuck anything up nor myself

>>3017804
I thought that was only HD CRTs? Are there really no consumer CRTs that could scan a 480p image? I feel like you're talking out your ass just to be contrarian. Which would be a first for 4chan.

>>3010197
>three buzzwords used in one post

Confirmed youngfag

>>3017105
Just get a SNES mini modded. Better picture and much less hassle.

>>3017851
I don't know of any consumer crt sets that accept 480p.
There were EDTV led tvs that were 480p max. They'd work well for true 480p content. You wouldn't want to have it upscale though.

PS2 480p support is shit.

>>3017851
The sony 480p sets are lumped into the "HD CRT" category. They will not do 240p and 480i natively, and still lag with 480p inputs.

i have an old 32 inch sanyo crt laying around in a dusty basement.

are they know for being ok crts? or should i just play 4:3 on my tv. :(

>>3017946
Cheapo brand but even cheap crt > lcd for 240p stuff.

>>3017954
it was actually my crt when i was a little guy playing sega and snes. it served me well for years.

i guess ill dust it off. its a bit annoying playing 4:3 ratio on a 52 inch lcd tv.

>>3017916
>I don't know of any consumer crt sets that accept 480p
That's really weird. Why were so many games on the Gamecube labelled as "progressive scan compatible"?

>>3017969
>its a bit annoying playing 4:3 ratio on a 52 inch lcd t
Why? What do you have against proper aspect ratio? Are you really that triggered by black bars on the sides?

>>3017989
theres nothing weird about it

whats weird is that you would tell someone else incorrect information instead of conceding that you dont know what youre talking about

>>3017541
I havent used a consumer set in a while. Are there the often talked about 4:3 sony sets not capable of doing 240p over svideo/component without and image processing and 480p over component?

If thats the case then that anon should just get a something older with svideo since like 90 percent of ps2 games are 480i anyway

>>3017350
>Is it ideal to keep it closer to min or closer to 50 if I'm trying to get the most accurate picture?
Every tube is different, even fresh from the factory. The most accurate setting is dependent on the characteristics of your particular set and the lighting conditions it is used in. You will at the very least need test patterns in order to properly calibrate a monitor, and ideally you would have a good colorimeter as well.

>>3017435
>How do you guys take pictures of your monitors?
Take a look at the settings and see if you have any adjustments for white balance, shutter speed, and ISO. If you can't do that, then you might want to invest in a point and shoot. The better ones will let you adjust all of the afore mentioned settings in addition to f-stop and having optical zoom.

>>3017916
>I don't know of any consumer crt sets that accept 480p
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-TXN2745FP-Monitor-DynaFlat-Picture/dp/B00009PLHW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

>>3018040
Except that wasn't me. I was just questioning your claim because it seems incorrect to me.

And looky here, it is >>3018093

>>3018093
I don't know if the guy meant exactly what he said. Pretty much any HD CRT TV will accept 480p, but I don't know of any that actually just display it without digital processing.

>>3018093
EDTVs are very rare and likely to upscale 240p content.

>>3018093
not that anon
but from the manual looking at all those digital features such as PIP mode
i dont think that is possible without some form of digital processing

i doubt it would do 480i without some input lag

>>3017916
>I don't know of any consumer crt sets that accept 480p.
Every VGA PC monitor CRT does this with no digital processing.

>>3017989
>Why? What do you have against proper aspect ratio? Are you really that triggered by black bars on the sides?

not all games seem to translate well to ldc.

it isnt about having to use 4:3, i just dont like the look of it stretched to that large of a tv is all.

>>3018263
>Every VGA PC monitor CRT does this with no digital processing.

This. If you switch a Sega Saturn into EDTV mode (480p), it can actually drive a normal PC monitor. If it's a CRT then it can also drive it in Hi-vision mode.

>>3018306
>Sega Saturn into EDTV mode
wat

>>3018263
thats obvious but no one wants multiple 2 fat ass screens around
with the combined weight of 200+ pounds

>>3017836
Discharge the tube every time - you'll hear a spark pop at very least the first time after it's had power, but do it a few times. Keep your other hand right away, like in your pocket, so that you can't act as a conductor, and wear rubber sole shoes and don't stand on metal. In short, DON'T provide a path for the current to jump through. Be aware that if the monitor is ancient, more charge can come out of the glass dielectric over time, so discharge every ten/fifteen minutes if you're still working on it. Also, if the tube is dusty and dirty, charge can leak out around the anode cap, so don't presume touching anything anywhere near the anode cup is safe until the tube is discharged.

I'm not sure the screwdriver method as seen on instructables is totally safe. I'd at least solder the wire to the screwdriver, and make sure my hand was nowhere near anything metal. I made a discharge lead from a screwdriver shaft in like 15 layers of heatshrink surmounted by 1/3" thick industrial rubber hose sheathing the whole thing and the first 4 inches of the lead.

Or use a high-voltage probe, but those are expensive.

The powersupply capacitors can also hold charge. Safest to use a light-bulb discharger with those, so there's some load across them.

>>3018438
Next, you'd do better diagnosing any problems with the tube first, rather than just thinking a cap kit will fix it. Pore over the chassis and neckboard - any obvious problems? Blown caps, rust, broken traces? Clean everything with isopropyl, and reconnect any broken traces with heavy, well-insulated wire. Cooked resistors are a problem, especially is surrounded by burnt patches, as that means there's a short maybe that lead to them blowing. After that, if all looks good, try turning it on, note what happens in detail and ask around about it, or even quicker use google.

Do you have a 15kHz source to test it with? If not, get one first, remembering that anything but an arcade board might need a video amp to show up. It probably won't be that bad, and you can turn the brightness and gain up and at least see something. Work out where those controls are on the boards, and how you're going to get to them safely while things are running. The focus pot may need adjusting, it's on the HV flyback that has the anode lead coming out and heading for the tube.

>>3017695
It is still cheaper than getting an $300+ scaler plus RGB mod for the N64, although I would pass getting a PVM or BVM since they are pretty rare (even more tham usual) where I live.

There are to many replies for me to quote but I suppose the best option would be to get a regular CRT and just do away with the 480p, right?

>>3018465
Yea you pretty much have to give up on 480p unless you're incredibly lucky and find yourself a reasonably priced multisync pvm.

Just do composite or S video for the 64 and component for the ps2. Get any CRT you can find preferably free. Ps2 will still look great doing 480i, the 64 never looked good.

>>3018465
>It is still cheaper than getting an $300+ scaler plus RGB mod for the N64
>people pay to have their consoles modded

>>3018495
People keep saying it. Just get a PC CRT for 480p+

>>3018465
n64 won't even show 480p and a handful of ps2 games do.

>>3018239
>>3018243
I do not dispute this, I was simply showing
that consumer EDTV CRTs exist.

>>3018343
>no one wants multiple 2 fat ass screens around with the combined weight of 200+ pounds

You must be new here.

>>3017753
>there should be factory defaults listed in the service manual

The manual doesn't say...What prompted my confusion here is that when I turn it down, blacks get darker, which is not the behavior I expected. Am I understanding contrast wrong in this case?

>>3018306
>Sega Saturn into EDTV mode (480p)
This is the second time this has been brought up, and it still makes no sense.

Nothing makes use of the Saturn's technical ability to push 480p, so suggesting someone to use it is pointless.

>>3018584
>when I turn [the contrast] down, blacks get darker
That might mean the bias/brightness is too high, or that the "screen" pot is on the flyback.

This is all a little academic, though. The condition an older tube might mean you need to turn things up so they're bright enough and look right. If this is for calibration or testing purposes, go ahead, of course.

some guy scored a Mitsubishi AM-4201R on the neo geo forums

I've never seen some actual pictures of the set running games so it's cool to see

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?238415-CRT-Fetish-Thread/page202&p=4008050#post4008050

>>3018669
Why do they force people to make accounts to view images?
I dont want to have a dozen different accounts on a dozen different forums that i never post in...

Are CRTs supposed to make weird crackling sounds when you turn them off?

>>3018693
One of the big reasons I always use offsite hosting when I post something there.

http://imgur.com/a/QGDBQ

And this one was too large for imgur to take, apparently.

>>3018528
you're telling me that
someone would rather have 2 mismatching CRTs instead of a multisync

buying a seperate pc monitor just for the ps2 is stupid

>>3018726
it's pretty normal, don't worry about it. maybe blow out the dust inside with a air compressor

>>3018746
Thanks.
Man that set looks amazing especially for the size!! I would love some to get something like that for splitscreening, but for now ill stick to using my lcd in 4:3 if i need the larger picture.

>>3018759
Xbox too dont forget or also even old PC games it can have multiple uses and has versatility even as just a regular PC monitor if the owner wishes. Think outside the box man. And since you can usually get them for free or super cheap why not.

>>3018759
>instead of a multisync
I think most people would rather have the multisync, but that's not always economically possible. It's not bad to split the hours up between different CRTs to make them last longer, though.

>>3018787
and dreamcast

>>3018813
Yeah true everyone would probably rather have multisync but price wise much smarter going 2 crts since the artificial inflation of prices. Hell i have both and If I could do it again Id probably not have bought the multisync wouldve saved $850 and the only thing im using it for is 720p or any 16:9 capable titles

>>3018817
Yes how could i forget the only console that actually natively outputs RGBHV. Thank you. not sarcasm if it comes off as such sorry.

ugh i cant decide
im getting a multisync BVM soon

problem is ive always wanted a nice pc crt monitor with high refresh rates and 1600x1200+ res as well

problem is it almost seems like a waste of money when i have a multisync

what do you think /crt/?
if i dont buy the pc monitor the seller will dump it

>>3018837
update
i decided against it

http://www.ebay.com/sch/jpnagy_usa/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
heres some decent deals on a few pc monitors if anyone is interested
the seller will relist if you request

Anyone have experience removing scratches from a crt screen? I've found a bunch of different methods, but I don't know which one would be best to use.

/vr/, do you have a keen sense regarding pixel quality? Are you capable of perceiving the difference of image quality between each signal and its display form a close-up? Is this image from RF, composite, S-video or component? Is it from a consumer grade display or a professional monitor?
Would the difference be so blatant as to be outright obvious for the naked eye?

>>3018864
If it's only on the anti-glare coating, just peal / scrape it off.

>>3018871
How do I tell if it's just on the coating or not? The scratch is deep enough for my nail to get caught on it in a couple places.

>>3018865
alright, I'll go first.

My guess is: Consumer TV, and not a good one at at that, through...composite, because i don't want to be nasty and accuse you of using RF

>>3018865
Looks too janky to be 480p. Looks like upscaled composite on a non-sony HD CRT TV?

>>3018864


I had some bad gouges on a pvm, lightly wetsanded with very high grit sandpaper and hand buffed with automotive compound

>>3018865
shadowmask
240p
gonna say composite because of what I percieve to be colour bleeding but it's hard to tell with a low tvl shadowmask

>>3018875
>>3018880
>>3018931
Let's see if it's not mere chance. Can you guess whether this picture is composite, RF, component or S-video? Consumer CRT or professional monitor?

I'll give the answer later, once I gather up some pictures to compare

>>3018643

I was using the Resident Evil 2 screen adjust menu to "calibrate" it, which probably isn't the best thing to use, but it's all I have. I ended up putting the contrast back to 50 and turning the brightness down by 5, and that seems to have worked better for what I'm trying to do. Another thing I used to check it is the Ys: The Ark of Napishtim menu because there are black boxes on either side of the title on top of the screen that show up if it's too bright.

>>3018978
I dunno, that's a shit photo.

>>3019134
However, if that's as good as it gets, consumer Trinitron with S-Video would be my guess.

>>3019137
what could it possibly be?

>>3018865
>>3018978
>>3019153
You need to step up your game. Those pictures are pretty bad.

I'm fucking retarded and can't figure out how to hook up composite to my PVM. At first I managed to get it to sync, but everything was green so I unplugged everything to try again, and now I can't get it to sync at all

>>3018782
I don't envy them if they ever have to move the thing around.

I don't know how much it weighs, but I can imagine the extra 5 inches it has over my Mitsubishi add a non-trivial amount of weight.

>splitscreening
>tfw massive CRT with no one to game with

>>3018983
Do you have a Dreamcast, softmodded Wii, or Genesis with flashcart/SCD?
If so, you can use 240p Test Suite to configure things a bit easier.

>>3019137
>Trinitron
That's a slot mask though; Trinitron is the one thing it couldn't be.


Not /vr/: https://youtu.be/ON1ADe4fHM4
Even more so not /vr/: https://youtu.be/V36oDHtq4ZY

>>3019172
>composite to my PVM. At first I managed to get it to sync, but everything was green
Composite is the single Yellow cable. That would go into it's own little thing, and would either work or it wouldn't(comparatively)

You mentioning a green image and syncing makes me thing you're talking about component.

>>3019183
Dude I don't know what's going on. It's one of those red, yellow, and white cables.

Somehow got it to work after resetting the PVM to factory settings.

>>3019205
That's really not something you should go doing.

Is it possible you were trying to connect it to the wrong input, or had it set to the wrong input?

>>3019208
>That's really not something you should go doing.
Why not?
I tried just about every input so I don't know.

Need to upgrade to upgrade to S-video for my n64 though. And unfortunately the only game I have for the thing right now is fucking Rampage, so I probably won't even be actually using this thing for a while.

>>3019183
Haha if I ever got one it would be placed and might as well concrete it in because it wont be moved again not at 150-300lbs.

I dont really have guests too often either but its nice to have it when they are around.

>>3019219
Each monitor is configured differently as it leaves the factory, and settings are adjusted more so as time goes on.
You should at the very least write down the "original" settings before doing a factory reset, same as if you're modifying them on your own.

>>3019223
How anyone deals with that 40'' Trinitron, I will never know.

I need to get something to sit my Megaview on, as sitting on the floor just gets plain uncomfortable after a while. Sadly, the only table in the house that could even hypothetically support it is being taken up by my 20M2MDU, LCD, and various consoles.

>>3019232
Oh well it's already done.

>>3019252
What model is it anyway?

So long as the monitor still works, all is good.

>>3019268
It's a 20l2md. Got it for $40 since the screen is scratched, but you can't even see it while playing unless the screen is white, and even then it's not too bad.

Once I repair the scratch it should be good as new.

Android Assault on Sega CD. Got a better scart cable and some bits and bats in my setup and wanted to try them out.

>>3019303

bit too bright but it's during the day so sue me

Since there's no mod/repair thread and you guys love s-video, I figure this would be the best place to ask a couple of questions.

Firstly, s-video or component for modding into a genesis? I couldn't find any source saying to definetly take one over the other (other than HD retrovision, but they're probably shilling hard for there new cables).

Secondly, is there any reason to not just mod the 32x to output whatever other video rather than the genesis? Is there some weird issue with the add-on or is it just the difficulty of doing it?

>>3019329
You go for whatever the best signal your TV / monitor can take.
RGB = Component > s-video > composite

>>3019334
>RGB = Component
lolno

I was going through the service menu on my PVM-20L5 and I noticed that there's an option for Macrovision detection. I know what Macrovision is, but I'm wondering what this option does when it detects Macrovision signals...It would seem useless for it to just detect the signals but not do anything with them. The service manual doesn't give any insight at all.

Does anybody know what this does?

>>3019338
There is no quality difference between RGB and YPbPr, provided your equipment handles them equally well. Also, RGB is technically a form of component video.

>>3019329
way easier to mod in s-video than composite, which is better (RGB is best but i'm guessing you can't use scart or something) but there's not that much of a difference between them. s-video is a huge step up from composite.

Sorry no idea about your 32x question

>>3019460
>way easier to mod in s-video than component*
woops

>>3019460
>>3019334
I'm American, so none of my stuff supports scart. I was going to put my genesis under the knife for the Mega Amp mod anyway, so I thought I'd look into video output while I was at it.

I suppose I could just convert scart to component, but that'd be a bit redundant. The setup I'm using right now will take either, and most pvm/bvm's that I'm aware of can take either or, if I ever find one.

>>3019329
I scouted a bit, and svideo modded 32x isn't that great apparently.
As for the genesis itself, it's easier to svideo mod the console. If you ever need component it's easier to go with a scart-component transcoder, that you can use with either genesis or 32x.

note that some encoders are a bit easier to mod and some can't do s-video...

>>3018263
I meant consumer crt tvs, obviously...

>>3019183
>I don't know how much it weighs,

275lb according to cnet, so actually not that much compared to the 3501 or the xc37

>>3019421
>>3019160
>>3017023
>>3014638
Sorry senpai but these look awful desu.

>>3019631
agreed

and i still dont know if the camera is too far zoomed in or the convergence is shit

>>3019232
If you have the ability make table out of some 2x6 or 2x8 it may not look pretty but if you build it right it can hold plenty of weight

do you guys usually have to turn the brightness and contrast down on your pvms? the defaults seem really high to me.

>>3020275
Turn brightness up, then turn it down until black is black and not grey. Contrast will just be your preference, I guess, so long as it isn't so high that colors are bleeding.

Guise I found an interesting mecanical switcher, it's 5-1.
Recieved it and modded to fit my needs

>>3020284

okay, also is it possible for the monitor's geometry to get messed up while adjusting brightness and contrast? the edge of the picture on the left side is more diagonal than i remember it being, unless i just didn't notice that before.

>>3020305
Added audio out, pretty easy
Changed to a female plug since all cables I have are male-male. If you do this, remember to swap audio and video ins-outs.
Wire all grounds in the plug as it worked on the tv, but showed some shadowing in the bvm.
the cable inside is wired pretty shoddy, but the switches cut and redirect all signals properly, with no quality lost.

Anyone know how to remove the front panel from medical pvms? There's no obvious screws holding it in place and I'd rather not take the entire thing apart just to find out how to get the front off.

>>3019631
>>3019840
Happy now?

>>3020368
Yeah. What screen is that?

>>3020327
Since you opened it, are the video lines properly isolated?

>>3020403
yes, forgot to take pics, but it uses very long switches that cut or redirect circuit (which explains the rather big size). All relevant pins are properly managed, the wiring is quite clever actually.

>>3020387
It is a Diamond Pro 2070SB running at 640x480@60Hz. Emulator is SNES9x with scanlines at 12.5% intensity.

>>3020439
>Diamond Pro 2070SB
Thats a really nice pc crt, the coating on it is fantastic and beats my fw900 in blacks

>>3020439
>Diamond Pro 2070SB
Oh well I thought it looked bit weird. Have you tried running ultra-wide resolutions (e.g. 3840x240) thru RetroArch? It can yield some interesting results.

>>3020198
True enough. That's required tools that I don't currently have access to at the moment.

If I ever manage to get my own place AND get it out of the attic, that'll be one of the first things I do.

Is there any way to play 480i titles on a PC crt without an expensive XRGB?

is there a cheap extron unit that upscales 480i to 480p only?

>>3020603
how did you get your megaview in the attic?
doesnt that weigh like 300 pounds?

>>3020603
Yeah my father made a tv stand out of leftovers of his house after it was built. Had a big 50" rear projection screen on it. Covered it with a white blanket and it looked decent enough. Hell even after the tv died we used that stand for quite a few years until we moved and it eventually made it way to the curb.

>>3020457
>Have you tried running ultra-wide resolutions (e.g. 3840x240) thru RetroArch?
The thought never accrued to me. What exactly would it accomplish?

>>3020603
>AND get it out of the attic
You could try using a winch.

>>3020726
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#CRT_Monitors

>>3020726
The ultra wide thing is so games don't have visibly uneven pixels if they use different resolutions while maintaining aspect ratio.

>>3020739
I may have to try that.

>>3020726
>>3020739
>>3020784
There's some pasta I saved from somewhere
http://pastebin.com/sK65PmMm

>>3020275
This is good, means it's not used up

>>3020726
There are twice as many scanlines as there should be on this image. looks really bad

>>3020439
Why would you run a scan line filter on something that's going to be displayed on a crt?

>>3020828

To remove the doubled lines to achieve 240p.

Of course, that only works if you use 100%, using anything less just makes the second scanlines slightly darker and it looks wrong.

>>3020305
>>3020327
Huh, had one of these switches for quite some time now. Never had any trouble with it but I'm still glad to hear that the internals are doing their job

>>3020914
I literally stumbled on a pic during a google image search. Found out a uk-only ebayer sold it, but I then managed to find it on amazon also, was 9something € with free shippping.
5 ports is probably the max for a mecanical switch, so I'm pretty happy now, SNES, NES, MD, SMS, and PS2 are happily connected.

>>3020871
this is fucked up man, don't bother with filters, 480p will look better than the Frankensteins monster you have created.

>>3020680
Two broken dollies, a stupid amount of sweating and grunting, and one burly black guy. Honestly, if it wasn't for how thin the staircases are in this old ass house. and the back steps being far too flimsy to walk up let alone drag a 220lb monitor up, it wouldn't have been as difficult as it was.

>>3020726
>winch
Taking out the roof and getting a crane would be more like it.

Can a DVI signal from a computer be converted to RGB?

My CRT computer monitor failed recently. It was working fine until the image suddenly stretched horizontally, as if it was trying to fill a 16:9 screen. Then the picture started to slowly get brighter and lose its color. Then the screen went black and I started to smell burning electronics.

What the fuck caused this to happen and could it be possible to fix this monitor?

can someone tell me if a pvm with a resolution of 350 lines will lok like shit?

>>3021368
that's pretty low for a pvm but it should be better than most consumer sets.

>>3021363
sounds really bad

http://www.zgrum.com/sony-pvm-1953md-monitor.html
anyone looking for a 19 incher?
75 bucks on a non ebay site

>>3021435
They wanted $200 for shipping when I asked a couple weeks ago.

>>3021449
we just cant get a break

>>3021368
I don't understand this TV lines meme. If you are only going to have 240p content on it shouldn't 350 lines be fine?

Which PVMs are the best? Evaluation, production, broadcast, or viewing?

>>3021838
>meme
It's a technical measurement, not an internet joke.
TVL refers to the maximum number of vertical lines visible before they squish together, in a 1:1 square covering the full height of the display.

A television is expected to display 480i/576i, which would imply a TVL lower than those numbers would look soft, while something like 320x240p should be good enough vertically, but with limited headroom for horizontal resolutions. Presumably about 466 horizontal maximum (350TVL x 4/3 width), so not particularly sharp if you desire pixely graphics and lower than wider res consoles like the Playstation and Saturn.

Do you want a sharp display where you can make out all the pixels, or is a natural analog softness what you desire? It's your choice.

>>3021874
But does it even make a difference when displaying 240p content?

>>3021212
480p with removed line doubling looks fine, only issue is the loss of brightness (which can be compensated).

>>3021881
Yes because some things can output up to 640 pixels horizontally.

>>3020828
its a high res pc crt

no visible scanlines bruh

What's the deal with overscan? Am I missing a part of the image, or have games been tuned to fit exactly?

>>3022064
Just find a good medium

not all consoles/games are the same exact res. There are some extron units that allow you to adjust the position on the fly with some knobs.

Anybody use a capture card with RGB? I currently use the composite video signal on my sync but this doesn't work with my PlayStation because it doesn't use composite sync.

has anyone experimented with using an L5 with their pc?
ik you have to combine syncs but i have a vga to RGBs cable

is it be that simple?

>>3021360
You don't want to. Most DVI ports already output RGB with an adapter.

posting my room which contains one of my pvms / retro station

also testing some pano shit in ps

>>3021874
>>3021947
Not exactly

>>3021881
It's similar to the "screen door effect" that low-res LCDs have.
If each pixel on the screen is represented by a small number of dots, the pixels will not look like solid blocks. They will look like like a collection of subpixels. The bigger the CRT, or the closer you sit to it, the more TVL you will want.

I still think high TVL is overrated.

>>3022236
AMD makes sync combining very easy. Not sure if nvidia has this feature or not.

Anyone ever play Dreamcast at 480p on an L5 monitor? Can you do 480p from a Dreamcast through RGB or do I need the VGA box?

>>3022320
Are you gay?

>>3022384
You output vga via bnc rgbhv, then tie the syncs together with a pretty simple circuit or you can buy a sync processor. Then you'll have rgbs and Bob's your uncle.

>>3022428
I can't tell if you are trying to dox me or not but I don't know Bob.

>>3022475
why the fuck would /his/ care about crts? even /g/ hates crts

>>3022316
>Most
I'm getting a hd4670, will it work with a dvi to component adapter?

>>3022456
its some british shit

>>3022585
youd most likely need crt emudriver as well

>>3022590
Yep, already planning on it. Just want to make sure it will output component so I don't have to settle for s-video

>>3022594
>hd4670
http://www.amazon.com/PCCables-com-DVI--male-Breakout-Cable/dp/B009OFYUZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1456435506&sr=8-1&keywords=dvi+to+bnc

i wanna say this will work all i know is from vga to 5 bnc you have to combine the syncs with one of these
http://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-02047-T-Adapter/dp/B0000510YX/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456435590&sr=8-2&keywords=bnc+t+connector

i feel like its the same for dvi

>>3022456
get a load of this guy, hes a real bobby-dazzler

So I've got a chance to buy 3 PVM-14M4U's for $100 bux each. Is that a decent price if they're in good shape?

>>3022743
Not really, you can get 20" ones for that price.

14" is too small anyway, 20" is pretty much perfect for everything except light gun games.

>>3022743
i just snagged a pvm 20 inch from ebay for 105

see if you can talk them down to 70

14 is too small unless its right in front of your face (i have a 13 inch bvm)

>>3022791
>>3022883

Where's the army of people that defend their tiny CRTs? Probably the same people that try to claim s-video is the best because of "compatibility and cost"

>>3022893
maybe people with very large desks
with my 13 inch BVM its too deep for me to have it diagonally on my desk to face me

but its too small to put on a table away from me

kind of a pain in the ass

Alright so apparently the 4670 has a 7 pin mini din output, so will this hook up to the RGB/YPbPr inputs on a PVM and sync properly without any issues?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Pin-S-video-to-RGB-YPbPr-Component-Cable-PC-to-TV-5FT-/200808823929?hash=item2ec1237c79:m:m9_IvpOkgl4sqfGbKbEppng

>>3022791
>>3022883
Alright, I'll try to talk him down. The size doesn't bother me as I've got industrial steel wire shelving
and I used a 13" Trinitron for years.

I'm getting to the point where I'd be willing to pay out the ass for a 20" that's in good shape. I've got 2 pvm-2030's but one just went black and white and the convergence on the other is fucked.

>>3023045

Theres a knob on the on the neck board that adjusts the convergence on the 2030's

It's kinda a bitch to adjust without getting shocked if you have big hands though.

people go apeshit over multisyncs

i was gonna buy this jvc dtv and at the last hour it went from 99 to 250 my limit was 150
did anyone here get it?
>>3023030
i want to say yes but i can be sure
>>3023045
just yesterday 2 pristine medical 20L2MDs sold on ebay for 75
i wish i got to them in time

if you want a nice condition 20" i suggest checking ebay every single day
good deals do pop up pretty often but they sell in a matter of hours

i paid 105 for mine today because i was impatient

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231853781724?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
this is a good deal (50 bucks and free shipping) if youre confident you can repair the power button

>>3023030
What the actual fuck is that description
You don't go NTSC/PAL to RGB using only a passive cable

>>3023126
>>3023140
Who do I believe? ;_;

I wish this shit wasn't so complicated.

>>3023145
sorry i meant
i cant be sure

its only 5 bucks
try it

>>3023123
Yeah, I got bit like a motherfucker trying to adjust it. As far as I know it's only vertical convergence though.

Mine has bad red bleed in the two top corners and some blue at the very bottom.

>>3023140
>>3023145
the description is inaccurate (to say the least), but it may work, if
-card actually supports tv out
-pinout is correct
-drivers support it.
I suggest you get the exact model name and number and dig in the user docs for more info.

>>3023209

Yeah you've got to be an evil fucker to put that there. Doubt messing with the rings would help either, magnet strips on the back of the tube is probably the best way to go

One of my customers gave me his old PC, a Packard Bell C115. Plugged it in last night and it fired right up. Runs Windows 95, it boots but I can't go anywhere without a ps/2 mouse, got one ordered and waiting for it to come in.

What are some must-have Win95 pc games? Got a Gravis gamepad, but no joystick yet.

The hard drive in this thing would be IDE right? I think there are CompactFlash adapters for IDE, I don't know what recovery tools Win95 had but I'd like to make a system image before the HDD goes out and then reinstall it on a CF card if possible

>>3023481
Command and Conquer: Red Alert is a must play. Also officially freeware now.

https://archive.org/details/Command_And_Conquer_-_Red_Alert_1996_Virgin

>>3023126
saw those for 75 would have bought one or both but i already have a 19 inch and was waiting for a reply about local pick up. im less than 100 miles away. those looked great i think they were 2004 manufactures

>>3023582
wow
i never talked to the miners as mail

curious did you get past the mythril head? ive given up

>>3023574
yeah same i offered 50 but they sold the next morning
yep made in 2004
zzz well
i guess 105 isnt too bad

oh and guys dont be afraid to make really low offers
i got 105 on something listed 200

>>3023590
i feel like on 2 of the ones i got on ebay excluding the ones i picked up myself i paid a little bit more but they were always packed well.
its not like i have alot of room for 2 more 19" pvms when i have 4 14" and a 19 already

Some games don't fill the entire screen, so there's some black space on the sides, which is understandable. What I don't understand is why the edge of the picture is crooked. The entire picture doesn't look crooked, but the edge is. The crookedness seems to vary between games. Is this normal or is it a geometry issue on my monitor?

>>3023658

Correction...At least one game has a slightly crooked picture.

>>3023658
can you take a pic of it?

>>3023690

Here's the side...It's noticable on all games that don't fill the screen, but how crooked it is varies between games and consoles.

>>3023690

And here's the bottom on the screen that I confirmed that the entire picture is crooked with...I was also able to confirm it with Resident Evil's inventory screen, but that was too dark to get a picture of.

>>3023754
>>3023758
"geometry"
Look up how to fix it. This is standard CRT stuff.

>>3023791
on my bvm
the geometry settings dont affect the tilt
i thought it was natural crt behavior

>>3023797
If it's a bvm just see if changing the AFC will fix it. I know that fixes a similar problem I have with my mvs.

>>3023791

Okay...Looked it up. Is there a way to fix this without taking it apart? It's a PVM-20L5. I really don't feel comfortable messing with the insides and potentially breaking it or killing myself. It wasn't even like this until a few days ago and I've had it for at least a year.

>>3023754
>>3023758
Looks like it just needs a tiny bit of rotation to the left.

That adjustment should be easily accessed in the alignment section of the menu. No need to crack open the case and risk turning yourself into a skellington m8.

>>3023754
>>3023758
You bought a 20L5 without knowing anything about geometry?

>>3024160
These are the underage faggots driving the prices up on these things. What a waste.

fw900 rebrand pickup in austin tx

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-A7217A-24-CRT-Monitor-Rebranded-Sony-Trinitron-GDM-FW900-/262307418520?hash=item3d12bd9198:g:Ne8AAOSwuAVWz4fS

>>3024278
>quakecon 2015 equipment

kek

>>3024160
>>3024178
give the guy a break you sperges

>>3023872
There should be an option in the OSD to skew the picture, and another to change the width of the top and bottom of the picture with respect to each other. Skew it so both sides are tilted in the same direction, then change the width so that both sides aren't tilted.

At least that's how my PVM does it.

Is it normal for CRT displays to get blurrier towards the middle? I've tried 3 different televisions and they all do it. Nothing in the video settings or service menu seem to correct it. Scan lines are very distinct towards the sides of the display but get thicker and merge together towards the center (especially whites).

>>3024650
really supposed to be the other way around

Try adjusting the focus on the flyback

>>3024703
Nope, already optimally focused.

>>3024848
could be that the contrast is too high as well

put up a pluge pattern and adjust the contrast until the scanlines are evenly sized

>>3024848
Looks like a clear case of poor static (center) convergence to me.
If it's a consumer set then it's likely that the factory worker(s) messed it up but they usually didn't had enough time to make it "perfect".

>>3024862
Hmm, is that anything I could fix myself? These are the options available through the service menu. Don't know what half of them mean, but I didn't have much luck playing around with the ones I could figure out.

>>3023754
>>3023758
you wouldnt have happened to acquire that 20L5 in sf craigslist would you?

>>3024871
>Hmm, is that anything I could fix myself?
If you don't mind working on the exposed back of the set and adjusting the rings on the neck with very great care while the set displays a grid/dot pattern.
Also it takes a shit ton of time and experience to get it perfect, I need like 2-4 hours to adjust the convergence, purity and geometry.
>These are the options available through the service menu.
I very highly doubt that this will solve your problem.

Either learn more how your CRT works so you can improve it yourself or just get a another one.

>>3024650
Apparently the television combined a lot of options into a single "picture" video setting which was fucking stuff up. After a lot of tweaking I finally got something that looks decent. Here's a really bad photo of SNES running over composite. Also has s-video and component input so I guess I'll have to look into that.

>>3024160
>>3024178

I got it for free and I'm 30 years old...There isn't a rule that says that I have to know about the inner workings of a PVM to want to play games on one.

>>3024882

No.

>>3024650
I've noticed the opposite. Convergence goes to shit away from the center, especially at corners.

>>3023045
Where ya located buddy?

>>3025847
bumfuck Mississippi

Just got my 1-CHIP from the mail and I ought to admit it has a much crispier image than the older models. It's extremely sharp, to the point of being glaring.

also, can you guess what video signal I'm using?

>>3026014
RF

>>3026014
Granted the picture nor the CRT are the best, and the signal is undoubtedly RF, but it doesn't really look sharper than the original SNES (since its composite/s-video actually looks less muddy than RGB).

>>3022594
s-video> component.
what are you talking about settling? you mean RGB? which honestly Ive seen the difference first hand. it's not big. At all.

>>3024425
they do have a point tho. BVM is a pretty hefty piece of tech. If you're not into tech you probably got it because people got it which is silly.

>>3026040
>s-video> component
What is wrong with you s-video fags?

>>3026024
>>3026031
RF, composite, S-Video or component? Can the puzzle be solved?

>>3026049
Errr, that doesn't follow. He probably got it because it's good for displaying retro games. There's a side to this hobby that just involves playing games; I think sometimes we forget that.

>>3026071
Slightly better than the previous photos. My answer is... you got a better camera for that shot.

>>3026071
It's RF, composite doesn't give that many rainbow artifacts, but then again I never tried an NTSC unit.

>>3026065
component: all video data is streamed through ONE wire anon. Svid has one for each color. Watch a video read a book. RGB>oR = S-video >component> RF
I really cant see how someone could debate this I have an snes and Ive grown up with RF, tried component saw an improvement, went to s vid saw a MASSIVE improvement, tried RGB saw an improvement but hardly.
nothing is wrong with me I just simply experiment first hand before I make opinions on things...

>>3026014
>>3026071
why would you go all the trouble of getting a 1chip to use it on the shittiest signals...

>>3026094
component =/= composite

>>3026094
>component: all video data is streamed through ONE wire anon
that's composite

>>3026076
Is it really "good" anon?
>his picture is fucking wracked.
>he doesnt know how to fix it.
>it was a shit purchase.
crt's are a good way to play retro my friend i agree, somtimes the only way. but! NOOOOOOOO not just any crt it HAD to be the PVM see my point anon?

>>3026081
It's a Pal-M television, the SNES is transcoded for it.

>>3026080
Same camera. Is it RF? Is it composite? Is it component? No! It's a video signal!

>>3026108
Is it one of those 100hz sets?

>>3026121
Not him but if you're asking because of the visible absence of scan lines then I can tell you they are where they're supposed to be and just barely visible. You'd at least need at least RGB to spot them with these potato pics. YUV gives off a lot more bright.

>>3026121
I'm not awfully tech savvy, specially regarding CRTs, but the 'frequency' of my beloved CRT is just 60hz, which is the PAL-M standard. Here's a picture describing the differences between PAL-M, NTSC and PAL.

>>3025969
That is bumfuck. Too bad I'd sell you a 20M4U

>>3026095
>>3026081
>>3026080
And here's the giveaway: It's a consumer CRT with COMPOSITE video, NOT RF! I've been jerking off to it lately, and with the arrival of my game doctor I just couldn't resist it so I had to register some CRT porn. It's so authentic it reeks of burnt plastic and nostalgia.

>>3026146
reminds me of my 13 inch crt i used via composite all through my childhood

>>3026146
Then composite on NTSC SNES blows, lol. Or maybe it's a transcoding artifact?

>>3026094
>RGB>oR = S-video >component> RF
This is hilariously mislabeled, isn't it. Is oR cracker slang for YPbPr or some shit? Is it a typo and you meant RGB = S-Video? Which is also mistaken...

>>3026107
Yeah and the fact it was working fine for ages, he's had it for over a year, and he's being an autist complaining about a slight warping, or just doesn't want it to get worse?

>see my point anon?
It HAD to be the PVM SOOOOOOO badly he went and got one for free. What a sperg.

Oh no, wait...

>>3026202
nah just simply in my opinion RGB and S vid look so similiar. I have the damn cables anon. Ive checked them. the difference is just not there. But very subtle things like sprites do look a tiny bit better. So I say great than or equal to.
>cracker.
> this thread.

>>3026094
i guess youve never seen component before

>>3026220
misread bud. get over it. That was hours ago

>>3026220
>analog audio is now composite

>>3026094
>nothing is wrong with me

Well, you're acting retarded on the internet. There's that.

>>3026228
Get over it, he was retarded hours ago. Now he's fine.

>>3026094
You're worse than a nigger. You're the embodiment of reddit.

>>3026213
>in my opinion RGB and S vid look so similiar. I have the damn cables anon. Ive checked them. the difference is just not there.

Aren't you the guy who believes S-Video has one line for each colour?

Anyway, it's not nearly, nowhere near, as big as the jump from composite to S-Vid, but the difference is there. If you want to see it I can only suggest getting either better RGB cables, or a pro monitor. S-Vid is great though, and on the type of set that can really show up the admittedly modest jump to RGB, RGB can actually look *too* sharp. Sometimes, anyway.

Do Sony consoles use RGBS or RGsB? If it's the latter, will it work on non-Sony displays at all?

>>3026887
PS1 and PS2 don't supply sync, for the most part. You need to use the luma or composite video signal for sync. The exception is the PS2 but only when it's displaying 480p - then it uses sync on green. For 480i or 240p you still need to use luma for sync.

>>3026887
If I remember right the PSX does not output RGsB but can do regular RGBS.
The PS2 does have the ability to do RGsB but generally speaking it will only work with Sony displays. Just stick with RGBS with this one though since there's no real advantage or difference in quality really.

>>3027280
That makes sense, so ideally, one would play 480i and 240p games on a CRT with SCART and 480p games on a Trinitron with VGA.

>>3027287
It lets you use standard PS2 component cables for RGB instead of needing to get get a SCART cable and BNC breakouts

>>3027459
There are more than a few PC monitors that do SoG

Is there any decent thin speakers I can velco onto the sides this pvm-2030 I just picked up? Doesn't need to be great since I can't hear my mids.

I just bought a Sony Trinitron KV 1440AS MK II for $2 and it works fine. Are these any good?

>>3028124
That depends. What inputs does it have?

>>3028190
Just RF.

>>3009914
Can you make the next CRT thread have a weeb picture? It's been a couple months.

>>3028209
Unless you don't mind having RF as your only option then it's alright for most 80s early 90s consoles. Although I'd try to get something with at least s-video on it.

>>3028209

I think you overspent on it unless all you are planning to play on it is an Atari 2600.

>>3028209
RF is pretty disgusting to be honest, I feel like $2 was too steep. Luckily you may be able to easily bypass the modulator and at least get composite, but usually only the cheapest sets designed for hotels only had RF by the Trinitron age.

>>3027287
>The PS2 does have the ability to do RGsB but generally speaking it will only work with Sony displays.
It also only works in progressive scan; i.e 480p+. You're limited to either RGBS or YPbPr for 240p/480i.

>>3028469
>YPbPr

Which is another way to write RGsB? It always syncs on green. 480p+ though is RGsB exclusive on a vanilla console, that's out of the question.

>>3028485
>Which is another way to write RGsB?
No, RGsB is RGB with sync sent on green. YPbPr is Component video, Y is sent along the green line and happens to have the sync information, but the color spaces used are completely different.

>480p+ though is RGsB exclusive on a vanilla console, that's out of the question.
What are you trying to say here? RGsB or YPbPr can be used from 480p and higher on the PS2, though only the latter can be used at at lower resolutions as well.

>>3028546
>but the color spaces used are completely different

Okay, you caught me off guard, will you please explain the difference? Maybe that's why YPbPr (as in interlaced component) looks bogus as hell on any TV I've tried. It's literally missing some pixel columns giving the screen a non-integer scaling look. I realize this is not a CRT question (didn't ever have a CRT with component inputs), but do you think that different color space has to do with how the screen on an interlaced PS1/PS2 looks worse with component than RGBs? While RGsB is alright?

fact:
misinformation is spread here constantly with only a few tripfags to keep things sane

>>3028556
>will you please explain the difference
RGB is RGB. as simple as that: Red, Green, and Blue.

YPbPr is Component Video; Y is Luma or the overall brightness of the picture. Hooking it up alone results in a black and white picture.
Pb and Pr are the difference between the original Red and original Blue signals and brightness; A bit of math against Y will give you the green information. It uses considerably less information to transmit than pure RGB(which has a lot of redundant information) and done well will give a picture of the exact same quality(under decent circumstances).

>as in interlaced component
YPbPr can be either interlaced or progressive.

I'm assuming you're talking about an LCD/flat panel? I know some LCDs outright refuse 240p sent over Component, so perhaps there are ones that don't like 480i either?

Can I get some insight on the XRGB-mini Framemeister in this thread?

Is the price the only negative?

I have a small old ass CRT but also a relatively modest 32" HDtv that only goes to 720p but manages all other inputs, and has composite plug ins.

I'm pretty ignorant to all of this stuff, and the internet has a lot of people saying it's good it's good! But unless I play with it on my own I don't really know what to make of it on my own.

But I'd like to hear your thoughts if any.

>>3028589
It's worth it when your LCD is very good.

>>3028589

Just hit up craigslist's free section for a decent size CRT TV that has at least S-Video inputs.

>>3027920
speakers = magnets

bad idea.

>>3028556
Y is luminance, or how bright the signal; is at any given moment of the horizontal scan.

Pb and Pr are explained in pic related. This is the colour space for this signal. Cb and Cr are digital versions of same.

>>3028589
>Is the price the only negative?
It's objectively worse than emulating. Emulating gives you higher quality scaling at lower latency, and lets you use BFI to simulate CRT flicker for higher motion quality. The only reason to use one would be for systems like the Saturn which don't emulate well, and only if you're using it as a line doubler for a 31kHz CRT, which avoids the latency and motion quality problems (but maybe you can get a cheaper line doubler).

>>3028589
if a game switches to different signals (a shmup menu might be 480i whereas the game is 240p) whille on the mini takes like 8 seconds to change over. I think there are downsides to using the scanline mode as well (720p only, bit more lag)

>>3029042
Units are in volts, if that wasn't obvious...

>>3027920
>>3029035
Some of those older presentation PVM's came with speakers. Sometimes they go missing. Anon is right to warn you - make sure the speakers you use don't distort the picture and permanently magnetise the tube. Place them nearby while watching the closest parts of the screen carefully.

You can get shielded speakers, but without spending a packet, the shielding isn't total, so it's not automatically safe to use them next to a CRT.

As a tip, if you're hunting for speakers to buy, if your phone has a compass you can get a magnetic sensor app and use that to test the speakers. Anything under about 60microtesla should be fine to place next to the tube, but i'd still be careful.

>>3029050
So chroma ranges from -1 to +1? What about luma and RGB? Are they both positive only?

Does the Xbox support RGB?

>>3029050
Bullshit.
The actual color signals are 0.7Vpp (Volt peak to peak) and normally don't have a fixed voltage offset (except for VGA which defines 0V as black), the black level voltage here is defined by the voltage during blanking (the circuit that restores the voltage offset is referred as video clamp).
The sync tips are 0.3Vpp if available, means that RGB, R-Y, B-Y are 0.7Vpp and Y and Green with Sync are 1Vpp.

>>3029118
>What about luma and RGB? Are they both positive only?
Yes.

>>3029145
So the voltage is arbitrary as long as the difference from zero to max brightness is 0.7? What then if a signal that doesn't use 0 as black connects to a VGA display?

>>3029159
>What then if a signal that doesn't use 0 as black connects to a VGA display?
Then it's AC coupled with a 220µF capacitor before the 75 ohms termination in the display and doesn't have a fixed black voltage, it will actually vary with the brightness of the signal as the capacitor absorbs the DC/black offset.
A video clamp circuit is used which will restore the black level and such a circuit is used in every 15Khz TV/monitor for this purpose by using the voltage in or around the synctips as reference.
This whole effort actually has it's benefits, as the big capacitors could protect the device video output circuits and it may can filter very low frequencies such as the 50/60hz mains hum which might found it's way into the signal.

>>3028589
Get it if you use all original hardware and you use that hardware with your HDTV. The reason I bought one is because I use an HD TV for watching movies and I recently got into retro gaming. However I found that using these old consoles with my HTV looks really bad. The framemeister makes everything look really nice. It sharpens up the image quality tenfold, you can see so much more detail when there's no blurriness to the pixels.

So I was curious as to why my monitor wasn't looking as good as it should. It seemed like there was a flute over it and I was worried the tube might be fading.
Then I decided to take these off and it looked fantastic.

>>3029539
If your monitor doesn't automatically terminate, put them back on. Calibrate the monitor properly.

>>3029539
What do these do and why?

>>3030001
Those are 75ohm terminators. They terminate the line by matching the characteristic impedance, fooling it into thinking the line has no endpoint thus preventing signal reflection. This usually appears as slight ghosting to the right of the original image, on a per pixel basis. Video terminates at 75ohm, audio typically at 50ohm ( i think, though i don't know audio).

Most PVM's auto-terminate, but BVM's don't. For PVM's that do, you can add BNC adapters on the output side of the lines to remove the termination. Just don't plug anything into them.

The advantage of removing the termination is that it normally makes the signal brighter and more vibrant. Sometimes this helps older sets, and sometimes, for low formats like 240p, the ghosting isn't really visible. Depends on the source, the set, and the cables. When new, the sets would ahve looked nice and bright with the terminations in place.

>>3029145
Ok, my bad. Are the units measureable directly, then, or only relevant to some sort of transform? I understand that component is a colour difference signal, but based on what equations? How does it determine colour, exactly?

>>3029264
>>3030526
And where does positive sync level feature in all of this, out of curiosity?

>>3030526
>>3030001
Should also have directly answered the question...

They're each a connection between the signal line and ground (+ve and -ve, kinda) with 75ohms resistance.

I recently upgraded to a consumer grade Trinitron Wega 27 inch, and playing my NES through AV out, I noticed something I've never seen before.
My video output flickers slightly.
It only happens for certain backgrounds, and I haven't noticed it on sprites.
In particular, certain background tiles in Brinstar in Metroid flicker very subtly, and it's driving me up a wall. Particularly, the tiles in pic related, the rightmost tiles right above the extra black space - those dithered tiles.
Does this happen on anyone else's NES? Mine is relatively unmodded, it just has a Blinking Light Win and the NES 10 chip is disabled.
Is this my PPU or the AV format itself?
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/nes-s-video-mod/
Will doing the mod above likely fix my issue? I'm opposed to replacing my PPU with anything stolen from arcade cabinets or anything like that.

>>3030660
That makes sense. I was confused by the apparent dead end of the line.
>>3030526
There is a formula for conversion to RGB and vice versa. It's a lossy process in digital formats.
Basically, a bunch of smart people have measured how the human perceives different colours. Not all colours appear equally bright, so if you average all three to get a greyscale image, it will look wrong. Using this human-adjusted formula, you will get a greyscale image with the proper brightness.

>>3030694
Yes, what you're seeing is a very intentional effect, see Extra Cycle Frames here:
http://nesdev.com/2C02%20technical%20reference.TXT
There is no way to fix the issue with the NES itself, as the logic is inside the PPU.

Composite video or S-video Y for RGB sync?

>>3030975
Y is Y. And Y for preference. I'm not sure if there are sets that will *only* work with C-Vid (sic) but I don't think so.

where do you guys get furniture for your pvms?

my pvm gets too hot for my desk
and all my other small furniture is also really short

>>3031064

Try thrift stores. Can find all sorts of oddly shaped desks, drawers, and cabinets if you are lucky.

>>3031064
I use a school desk. Fits my my monitor and top and my Wii on the inside.

Here is my 19in PVM after geometry tweaking and calibration.

It's a SCART to RGB connection from a JVC X'Eye.

Did I do good /vr/?

>>3031064
I actually bought a modern TV stand from a furniture store that's rated for 150 lbs on the top shelf and was deep enough for my 20" PVM. Not a cheap way to go, though.

Is current to SCART pin 16 a must?

>>3031596
on tvs and scart-hdmi converters, yes

I can pause my MVS now so expect some shots.

All taken by phone on a PVM-14M4A

>>3031636

>>3031637
and a pretty crappy overall shot

>>3025673
>basic screen geometry
>"inner workings"
Yeah, no. Lurk more.

Going to check out PVMs from local sellers this (or next) week, just need to pick up scart to BNC adapter.
14L4 and 20M2E are available. Any known issues I should avoid and look out for before buying?

>>3031912
>Any known issues I should avoid and look out for before buying?
Being an old, worn, abused, overpriced piece of studio equipment, mostly.

>>3031908
Is faulty geometry always caused by the display, or are flawed signals from the console also to blame?

>>3031430
Welcome to the world of sharp RGB signals. You can masturbate now that your setup looks just like everyone else's.

Anyone have any experience with JVC monitors? Photo is of a JVC TM-A14PN i found. Might be able to get it for free.

>>3031912
Bring anything that can run the 240p test suite to test the monitor if you can.

If a monitor only has these inputs, is that bad?

>>3032489
Probably one of the biggest selling points for these professional monitors is the fact that they support RGB. Getting one without RGB is kind of pointless when you could easily get a consumer set that supports composite and S-Video for free.

>>3031928
The display. Problems from the source would take other forms, would be more like glitching.

>>3032508
Might still be nicer than a consumer grade set, but you want RGB if you can get it.

>>3032139
Just because you smear vaseline all over your glasses before gaming doesn't mean the rest of us want to.

>>3031928
Unless your running something with a weird refresh rate like an arcade PCB no

>>3032828
How does a weird refresh affect the screen geometry though?

>>3032865
Most TVs probably don't like non-standard refresh rates.

>>3033049
>Most TVs probably don't like non-standard refresh rates.

Most don't give a shit, in my experience. Older consumer sets might, but those would be pre 1990. And what geometry problem are you expecting from this?

reminder if you have any serious questions

wait for a tripfag to answer because 90% of the people here dont have any idea what theyre talking about

what are some good common widescreen computer CRTs? I really like the color depth of CRTs but 4:3 is not ideal for movies

>>3033107
>Advises that people only listen to tripfags
>Isn't a tripfag

Anyway, while Kya is a fiend for CRT, and amazingly helpful, there's a fair amount of stuff he doesn't know. I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it, too.

Other tripfags are always a welcome sight, but hardly the repositories of information you seem to believe. Unless you can cite some examples for me?